Putting a Laptop CPU in my Home Server
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:03 Sponsored message
02:26 What is a 'mutant' CPUs?
03:49 Why are mutant CPUs a thing?
06:04 Unboxing and installation
07:20 BIOS Patching
09:10 BIOS Flashing
11:58 Trying it out
12:26 Getting it to work + Common issues
14:36 Benchmarks
16:49 Power efficiency
19:11 Outro
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Hey Wolfgang, I have both i3 7100 and i3 6100, same TDP at 51, 7100 has bigger clock by a little bit, which one should I use for my NAS? Which one would you go for? Your thoughts?
@@houserouterhouserouter5808 Definitely i3-7100, as long as your mobo supports it. Aside from the higher clocks, it also comes with support for VPP tone mapping, which is pretty important if you plan to transcode HDR content in Jellyfin/Plex
Would you consider talking more about finding components that match yojr budget, like low-end, last-gen and older components?
Do you think deactivating hyperthreading & changing windows power management to 'power saver' will make any difference to energy saving ?
@@Matlockization Unlikely. Most of the power consumption usually comes from the motherboard, chipset and onboard devices (including PCIe and SATA).
Disabling SMT will definitely reduce your power consumption under load, but it will also kneecap your performance. Ditto for Windows power management - this is essentially downclocking
as russian, i was pretty surprised to see this video at all, thanks for the spotlight (and fuck the war)
As a Brazillian I can say that the reason for us not buy the latest and shinniest is the simple fact that a component costing 150 EUR in Germany will arrive to the final customer in BR for 320 EUR due to our innovation-crippling taxes
Why yout llr gov isnt abolished?
@@jogurcik13 we are the complete opposite of the french when comes to fight for our rights
@@brhvitor4to be fair I am not sure anybody is like the french when it comes to fighting for their rights😂
Blame IMF and not your government. There is a reason why high taxes are charged on imports
@@swagatochatterjee7104 how is imf responsible?
For me, the most important part of the video is a completely new way to neutralize Intel ME that I've never heard of before. This increases the amount of options for security conscious people and gives more choices, especially with newer CPUs. Thanks, Wolfi. I really appreciate this discovery!
Running a BIOS modding program via WINE is so hilarious to me, glad it worked haha
You casually did some very advanced stuff in this video! Thanks Wolfgang as always for walking us through such an ambitious (and successful!) project.
As a Russian resident, I can't say that such processors are popular with us. I can only say that the interest is caused by the fact that there are many technical enthusiasts in the country who like to investigate interesting technologies.
Literally the same reason you chose this path.
They're definitely still niche, but there's a lot more content and articles in Russian about them than in English.
@@WolfgangsChannel agree. Very nice and informative video btw
Thx for your content!
It's more a vicious circle, if the more information, than the more temptation to try new. After that you becomes a writer of the forum.
Running CPUs and GPUs at lower power limits is insane, my RX 5700 XT only pulls about 120W and my 3700X pulls less than 45W yet both run at over 90% stock performance levels.
The flip side of diminishing returns! Similarly, lower tier parts sometimes outperform higher tier parts when you constrain power usage.
Many of these things I don’t think I’d ever find myself doing, but I love that you do. These videos are awesome and really interesting. Great work!
Always a pleasure to find a new video from you! Großartiger Content!
This is like Peak Wolgang content. It remindet me so hard to the lockdown days when everybody corebooted their ThinkPads. Thank you very much, I don't know what else I would have done during that time. ❤
Awesome! Its actaully how I plan to upgrade my 1151v2 motherborad. Mutant costs not as much, about 7000₽. But it has so much power for low tdp. Thanks for video!
Really awesome content, i'm running a QNCT in a Asus M8I since 2021, sometimes a get error 55, but is because of the pressure from the cpu cooler, and the motherboard already suffered a bit on it's life ^^ but is a really awesome chip and for the prices from 6th 7th 8th gen specially in brazil, this interposers are the best thing ever done to the platform for it's price, btw, greetings and best wishes from Brazil
Thanks for another great video, really needed this visual demo of using flashrom for some thinkpad projects :)
janky builds are always welcome, thanks for your video. looking forward for that jasper lake mobo video
I was dailying the QTJ0 in my Hackintosh for software develop on a Z170 Ranger VII for years. These are amazing chips. Some liquid metal and I took mine to 5Ghz.
Hey, watching from Brazil, really like your videos man.
*Wolfgang, thanks for another brilliant video. I like to see more networking staff from you. Could you make another video about software part of your homelab? Z.b. How radar and deluge works with VPN. Also interesting thing is why you chose exat this part of software instead of others.*
Sketchy CPU + motherboard combos is such a power move for home server. I remember running an LGA771 quad core Xeon that I got for less than the mod sticker it needed to work in LGA775 boards. It also involved a bios mod and mutilating the socket, but at the time it was pretty powerful, insanely cheap and ran without issues for years.
Good day Wolfgang! Firstly thank you so much for all the great content and efforts in sharing your experience to the community!
Quick question: you mention a new server build, does it mean that you are downscaling from your rack mount setup? Have a great day!
I found that for benchmarking various tasks, phoronix-test-suite is pretty decent.
Btw thanks for videos about low power servers. I found out that zimaboard 216 with Celeron N3350, verbatim sata ssd consumes 2.5w idle and
The foreshadowing interlude made me chuckle😄
Thank you for being the jankiest! Recently found the channel and have really been enjoying your videos.
we are here for the jankiness, just like you said! Great video man!
I love the foreshadowing meme and the fact that it's so over-used just makes it that much better
Funny, when I saw all of the videos about the Erying mainboards, I thought about when we would see a video from you about it.
Not about the one from Erying, but still about some weird CPU from AliExpress :)
Rocking two of those tigerlake ES CPU mounted on a motherboard boards, they work REALLY well. Good performance, great price. One is in my rack with proxmox, the other I use as a desktop machine with Windows. Only issue is the systems don't seem to support sleep, but since I prefer hibernate anyways that's a non issue, for me.
Have you tried PCI passthrough? That has been holding me back from buying one.
@@Kuiper39 Unfortunately no sorry, I have no use of PCI passthrough so far, so haven't spent the time to try it. I only pass drives to the VMs (since I want TrueNAS to see the actual drive), NIC's I use bridges (since that keeps my VMs portable between nodes)
I like your bikes handlebar! Butterfly in spring time!
love this shenanegans 😍 make more videos like this 😄
I'm just lucky like you, build 2 system using this mutant and no issue from flashing bios until boot, 1 for daily gaming and 1 for home server
Can you please tell us when the IRS
Itx home server will come out? I'm in the process of buying some parts for one now and I want to wait for your video since there aren't many out there.
Could you make a video about how your terminal is set up and how you use it? Nice video btw
This is really really cool!
Haven't seen you in ages man! Glad you're OK. Now to watch the video
Is it possible to power limit a 2700x amd cpu?
Yes, there should setting in your BIOS called something along the lines of „CPU Power Limit“
I wish you'd show how to change the tdp of cpu. So you discuss this in your other videos? I like your content! Efficiency is awsome ty
you really took skylake++++ to a whole new level
I got a used 4300ge for my home server to run dsm 7.1 50 euro, 35w tpd max part. I have an old dh14 which should cool it semi passive. Its twice the power of an actual synology for 1/4 the cost.
How do you run dsm on non synology hardware?
Genius.
OMG it's gonna connect to your home WiGi 😮
Well technically speaking you can replace the BIOS ROM if you are unfortunate enough to have it fried. SOIC8 is not a hard footprint to tinker with if you have some desoldering experience.
this is wild....I had a similar dilemma, I either wanted to upgrade my i5 6600k to i7 6700k, or i7 6700k, but an uplift of just 4 threads for 60-150 euros ? (depending on which gen I choose) naaah, I went with a used ryzen 7 2nd gen with mobo for 110 euros both. Very happy with that choice.
Wish I knew about these mutant cpus back then though.
To be real if you have the will and bravery to flash a bios on board using the clip and all then its not a long wsy to go to just hot air removing/replacing the chip
Great vid.
u must try asrock desk mini x300 with ryzen 5600G/5700G and dont forget to undervolt it
Does anyone know what Screensaver Wolfgang has on his desktop? Looks rather slick.
It’s the default macOS screensaver called “Drift”
@@WolfgangsChannel Thank you!
If someone wants to build a system on a chinese mutant CPU - I strongly recommend looking for Hynix DJR-based RAM.
With these sticks you can get ram speeds in 3200-3400 range with proper bios settings.
does it work for ECC?
I wasn't able to find any laptop mutant CPU from the link you provided, but it's Erying site, what do you think of the motherboard with i5/i7 12th gen H laptop CPU? It would be a great low TDP chip with hardware transcoding and tone mapping since it's alder lake. But I'm not so sure about the power consumption esp idle.
I spoke to the seller last week and they said they'd have more stock soon (tm)
erying motherboards don't support ASPM so don't expect ultra low idle power consumption. in my case with a mini ITX erying i7 12700h, 32gb of RAM 3200mhz, 6 hdd wd red in spin down, a 1tb nvme SSD and a 4 port gigabit network card I never go below 23 watts at idle
@@Cinghia117 that's unfortunate, I've also heard that chip is not supported in linux for hardware transcoding and tonemapping
Hey wolfgang. What keyboard are you using in this video?
HHKB Classic Professional
@@WolfgangsChannel Ah! Yes it is. It looks great :) Thanks for the quick response and the amazing content.
The qtj1 or qtj0 are even cooler, they still work on z170 mobos but they are 10th gen chips, 8 cores, overclockable.
Absolutely insane, they outperform 9900ks when properly cooled.
They would match a 10900k except thats a 10 core chip
Probably unrelated question, but is it possible to patch the i5 coffee lake cpus to support ecc? Do the chips dont even include the ecc hardware?
Nope
Whole new level of tinkering…
Would CoffeeTime work on newer LGA1151 motherboards, like Z370? I'm interested in disabling the Intel ME
If you just want to neuter the ME, github.com/corna/me_cleaner is a better option.
Just download the BIOS from the vendor's website and do this:
`python3 me_cleaner.py -S -d BIOS_IMAGE.rom -O MODDED_BIOS.rom`
Уважаемый Вольфганг, из Вашего видео, я не понял, получилось ли у Вас запустить модули памяти с поддержкой ECC? czcams.com/video/6f9gvholuKc/video.html
Как мне показалось, модули памяти, которые Вы показали, как раз БЕЗ поддержки ECC, или я ошибаюсь?
Если модули с поддержкой ECC на процессоре Intel Xeon E-2176M не работают, то есть ли смысл в его покупке?
Модули памяти которые я показал с поддержкой ECC. Нет, запустить не получилось, потому что несмотря на то что оригинальный процессор поддерживает ECC, эта склейка его не поддерживает. Если вы берёте процессор только из-за ECC, то этот процессор брать смысла не имеет.
@@WolfgangsChannel Большое спасибо. Я задумался о покупке данного мутанта (Intel Xeon E-2176M) ради поддержки памяти с ECC. Но так как у Вас не получилось её запустить, пожалуй я откажусь от покупки.
Monday I should remove the whitelist from my t440p, I bought the ch341a v1.7 (green) with the voltage switch. I did a lot simulations of patching and signing/verifying some t440p bios.img found on the web...seems work. I hope everything goes well. I will remove the main battery and CMOS,then plug the clip and then the programmer.
🤞
I failed miserably because of that fucking clip (I think). I failed to create the BIOS dump.
-tested the continuity of the contacts on the soic8 clip with the multimeter and they were ok.
-Ch341a set to 3.3v
-Red dot on the chip aligned with the red cable (contact nr. 1 on the v1.7 board called "CS", obviously from the 25XX series side as indicated on the pcb).
most of the time the status led on the ch341a remained red, sometimes it turned green BUT flashrom couldn't find anything:
- "No EEPROM/flash device found"
- "Found Generic flash chip "unknown SPI chip (0 kB, SPI)" But flashrom still failed to create a dump.
reassembled everything, thinkpad works, bios works, the chip is not compromised.
I don't know what to do...
Thanks Wolf
Problem solved. My green ch341a with voltage switch wasn't good. ❤
Amazing hacks. I love this
This looks really promising and I#d be willing to do to the flashing of the BIOS etc. but is there any known combo where ECC RAM works?
Not that I know. I might try it later with a C236 board that I have (this one should support ECC). I only have unregistered modules though
@@WolfgangsChannel please let me know if you manage to get it working!! I've got a C236 board (Lenovo P320), ECC UDIMM, and E-2286M - I can't get it to post with ECC UDIMM - only non-ECC RAM posts. Strangely, it will also post with a mix of non-ECC and ECC UDIMM (but in non-ECC mode). I'd love to get this hardware working with ECC, hope you can have some success
@@totoro1596 You might get around it by explicitly disabling the ECC support in BIOS. I managed to make my sticks work on the B150 board by editing the BIOS with a program called AMIBCP v5. It's as easy as opening the BIOS dump in AMIBCP and looking for an option called "ECC".
You might have to spend time looking for the program online though, since it's not officially released and I've only seen it as an unofficial upload on forums.
@@WolfgangsChannel thanks for the info! In that case, I assume you are not getting ECC functionality? Ideally I’d love to get ECC working with my C236 mobo and E-2286M 😭 let me know if you have any ideas!
@@totoro1596 Yeah i don't think that's possible...
Вот и вскрылся секрет Полишинеля... А я то думал, чего это немец такой смелый торренты качать
What homepage did you use for 14:01?
it is webui in Unraid OS
I know I am almost a year late for this video, but here is a small tip from a used that daily used 4 different of those Mutant CPUs
If you want to try those even now in 2024, the best thing to do first is to get a Gigabyte board. Why Gigabyte board?
Well, just as from 7:21, we need a modded BIOS file - most of the sellers of those CPUs (if not all) will provide you with a modded bios so you don't need to do part of modding one yourself.
But this is not the main part.
Bios flashing with a programmer might be not only scare for many of us - but really not possible because not every one of us has a bios programmer. And here comes Gigabyte...
Gigabyte is the only board partner that is not blocking its motherboards from modded bios, that means you don't need an external bios programmer... you can just flash it with gigaabyte bios flasher without any problems.
My first contact with those was an ES i7-8750H which i run for whole year on Gigabye Z170 DS3H - one of the best purchases i ever made
I would love to see Mac OS on an arm system one day lol
I would love if my chip went down to C7 but somehow Ubuntu-Server has problems recognizing lower states than C7 on my 13th gen :(
So if you put a regular 6th gen CPU is it still fine? With the patched bios
Yes, as long as you keep the Skylake microcode in the BIOS.
Some BIOS chips can fit less microcodes, so you'll have to decide which ones you want to leave in there
I didn't knew that there are mobile Xeons i thought laptop workstations feature top of the line i9 or i7 CPU
Algorithmen yeah 🎉
Is diff preferable over sha256?
Nope, just use what you prefer
@@WolfgangsChannel Oh OK, because I've never used diff for anything but text based files.
3:14 until this point i have never seen anyone who has the same cpu as me. Not even on the internet. Well not anymore😂 i9-9900KS for the win
I've recently (7 days ago) purchaed a 10th gen 6 cores 12 threads cpu, installed on an H110 motherboard, that CPU is a beast. can't believe it costs 55€.
Wow wieso sind die alten cpu so teuer 😢
"Spoiled victim of western capitalism"
I laughed way more than I should've 😂
я 6100 скальпировал, посадил на жм и разогнал до 5.2 по шине, были времена...
да, хорошие, и рубль был более стабильный
ich hab schon einiges angestellt, aber das trau ich mich nicht. ich versuche eher aus denm defekten Laptop ne mobile cpu rauszubkommen oder schau was es offiziell gibt und kauf ein passendes board. bei dem Bios patchen war ich eh schon raus, bei ali ne cpu kaufen ist auch nicht 100% safe.. updates... ich lasses es lieber..
Was meinst du mit Updates? Die Microcode-Updates bekommst du eh von Intel, egal wo du die CPU gekauft hast.
Allerdings ist so ne CPU eher ein lüstiges Experiment als eine ernsthafte Empfehlung. Diese Prozessoren waren noch vor 5 Jahren recht günstig, aber heutzutage sind sie kaum zu finden und du wärst wahrscheinlich mit einem neuen CPU+Mainboard Kombo viel mehr zufrieden. Auch was Preis, Gewährleistung usw. angeht...
@@WolfgangsChannel ok, gut wenn man die udpates bekommt. hab mir das nicht so einfach vorgestellt, weil die patch software sollte ja auch einigermassen aktuell bleiben, falls mal was nicht läuft. aktuell hab ich noch nen i7 6700 glaub ne T version in nem deltatronic fanless. Leistung reicht noch lange, wollte halt mit dem idle von 26W etwas runter. wenn ich so rechne kann ich es glaub noch ne Weile laufen lassen.... ;-) muss auch mal schauen, ob ich undervolting machen kann.... was macht man nicht alles für 4 Watt
Why did not go with a xeon e5-26** combo? would be cheaper than this cpu
Because it's a Sandy Bridge CPU from 2012 which is slower, more power hungry and doesn't come with an iGPU, which means no hardware video transcoding.
Bought the erying 2,6 8core thing after watching a youtube video
With mystery backdoor entrance
hey, just saw that you've switched back to unraid again, any particular reason for that?
he's switched to nixos, from looking at his mastodon
I actually fried the programmer and not the bios chip lol
128gb support? buy you can instal 128gb no problem?
damn this native russian level surely gives you superpowers for tinkering around (the next level is chinese i guess)
Neovim and tmux config please.....
github.com/notthebee/dotfiles :)
They make mobile xeons ?!?!?
Yep! Used to, at least. The E-2176M is basically i7-8850H with ECC RAM support, slightly higher clocks and a bigger L3 cache. A lot of high-end 'enterprise' laptops came with Xeon CPUs (Dell Precision, Thinkpad P-Series, etc.)
to be quite honest... qhat the hecc is a "mobile Xenon" and why does it exist?
A Xeon processor for workstation laptops. Those were installed in Dell Precision and Thinkpad P-Series laptops and were meant for IT professionals working on the go.
Those processors came with slightly higher frequencies and larger caches, as well as support for ECC memory
One of the main concerns I have with chips in general is the notion of embedded code for malicious purposes. Not indicating this is the case with the chip represented to be clear. I will say the company I work for recently had our NDR product in a very large enterprise who procured powering equipment, and what did they find with this gear that was connected to the network for mgmt purpose ... they found it 'calling home' to Asia. You can buy bare metal and load your OS and still have exfiltration of data or it leveraged as a node in a larger cluster of compute for other purposes. A shame this sort of stuff happens, but that's reality.
In case of those cpus... there isn't really anything to store something anywhere
The cpu has some hardware logic to grab a chunk of memory from spi / lpc to initialize and thats it, the firmware, microcode and me firmware comes all from the spi chip on the motherboard
The same is true for embedded systems, the chips have a bootrom burned in from the *chip factory* (1st stage bootloader) and the rest (uboot, linux) gets loaded from spi/emmc/... flash
The "calling home" part on those things is implemented in the "userspace software" which is the last stop in the chain (since everything is initialized,...) and would be fairly easy to patch
I think you can manage better component for less money even on the euro market, like me changing from a G5400 to a i5 8600 for free, just getting a client pc and swapping mine cpu for him and he paid for both, lol. Just 1 watt increase in power consumption, from 10W to 11 W.
…so you stole it? 😭
Hardware-level spyware yummy 😋
Mental illness
Russians 🤝 brazilians 🤝cazaquistaneses 🤝kurdistaneses
buying weird stuff from aliexpress because we're poor
russia is a terrorist state. Remember that.
@@user-ch2wu3xi4d From my point of view America (and in Ukraine that murderous tyrant, called president of Ukraine) is the one you mention. Remember that. But again, what the heck this to do in this section? The main subject is a CPU! Case closed.
Maybe im mistaken but i think u have russian accent)
Yo man, third-world Russia hits hard😢
i like how he called russia a 3rd world country 👌
As a Russian, I feel like I get a pass
patches hahahahaha
Dude just called Brasil and Russia 3rd world countries 🤣
This is a whole lot of extra work for a bespoke CPU. I'll pass.
No thanks on the CCP backdoor to my system.
I prefer the NSA
But seriously, the security implications are sus
@@Rickety3263 Use me_cleaner after the modding process?
Don’t you think that there’s an easier way to do that, other than putting a backdoor in niche ghetto CPUs, of which you’ll sell about a 1000?
Especially with 99% of consumer electronics and PC components already being manufactured in China (including the motherboard that this CPU went into)
NSA or some other 3 letter agency has direct access to your house if necessary. CCP, not so much. Here in the democratic West, enemies of the state get their bank account blocked just like that. Just ask striking Canadian truckers and their supporters.
@@WolfgangsChannel Huawei might know an easier way?
2 Linus mentions in one video?
Goddamn.
If you don't dare with mutant CPUs and have a motherboard only capable of 6th and 7th gen intel like wolfgang, you have the i7-7700T desktop processor with a TDP of 35, a little faster than the i7-7700HQ laptop processor at 45w. I have one on my home server and it's really a great homelab CPU with 4 good cores and 8 threads.
i bought a chinense gpu and didn't post shocking