What Happened to the BBL? (Part 1)
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Part 2 should be out within a fortnight or so.
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How about that 'Say What You Feel' video that Jagger suggests to watch? Pretty cool huh!
Look I really need part 2 but this will have to do.
I don’t know why but when the BBL switched from channel 10 to channel 7 it never felt the same. Still love watching my Melbourne Stars be the most cursed team in Australian sport.
bro ikr. I swear when it switced the whoe vibe was ruined. And ye, the stars are hopeless lol but I still love em
The most cursed team in Australian Sport you say…ever heard of St Kilda
@@superclasico8757 Ever heard of Collingwood?
At about the same time Cricket Victoria took over both the Stars and the Renegades, thus making them into essentially the same organisation, which they then have mismanaged. Renegades as a result went from being genuine rivals to being used as CV's second string team, and have gone from winning the final in 18-19 to three consecutive wooden spoons. Is it any wonder they don't get attendences of 80k anymore?
Yeah the whole set up and presentation was so elite on channel 10 also the commentators were always great
As a viewer who watches from America, I never even realised that the BBL had lost it's audience. Been watching for about nine years now and love it.
It has become better now than last 2-3 bad seasons
People think it's dying or some shit it's because of Covid and the impacts it had because it killed the product and didn't allow fans to come
@@StrangeZzz What makes you say that?
@@clarkclements7204 Crowds and TV ratings are at the best in 5 years
@@joshanderson9391 the crowds seem pretty low this year.
Its actually been a lot better this year and I can see it going back to how it was a few years back next year when they back to a smaller fixture
Yeah idk what's happened but it's definitely felt "better" in some weird way. I guess covid hit all leagues equally as hard, but I guess it hit a league that was already in decline (due to too many games and Foxtel getting a lot of the games), making the effect worse? Regardless, crowds have been up and the atmosphere has been good.
Yea I hope so too if they shorten the season and go back to 4 season finals it would be better
That Head century was insane. That's the BBL in a bottle. The last slash for six was insane.
I agree. This season, the vibe has been brought back. Still not at the same level, but it's feeling good.
I was there that night, and it's the most incredible solo performance I've seen at a sporting event by far. Once Trav got going you couldn't have stopped him with a bomb, and him leading the charge with a near impossible century was nothing short of magical.
Seven and Foxtel ruined the Big Bash League, by expanding it waaaay too big. Way too many games, games behind a paywall, and tickets ironically getting more expensive when it was originally marketed on value which made it easier to go to because it was cheap. It's a shell of what it once was, but it can have a resurgence. There are plenty of steps to take, one of which already implemented with the upcoming shorter seasons from BBL14 onwards. Hopefully the Big Bash can return to what made it so big originally.
It feels like a really easy answer - Channel 7 bought the rights, and it felt like they just added a whole extra month to the competition. All of a sudden there's just way too much 20/20 being played. Take this year - feels like there's a game every night for 2 - 3 months, and sometimes there's even 2 games on in a day. On top of that, it all feels meaningless - Why are the Strikers playing the Thunder twice in a week? Honestly, what's the point....
Or a week ago I believe my Sixers played the Renegades twice in three days or something. First in Sydney then in Geelong. Crazy.
Well they finally made a good decision by shortening the season again
@@horrorknight3096 i mean in leagues its not uncommon, baseball and basketball play all their seasons with small series throughout the year but for t20 cricket it really just doesnt work
@@connorgarvin2056 Yes I'm aware. I'm a MLB/Yankee fan and its not uncommon for example for us to play a division rival such as the Toronto Blue Jays for a series in NY then the next week play them up in Toronto for a series.
They do have games on every night.
The BBL has fallen massively since BBL08, recent grand finals have been the same teams with the same results. Season is ofc too long, reducing it to 8 games would be a dream but we are never seeing that again, 10 is the next best. Finals should go back to the simpler top 4. Sadly it’s the natural way of life to see all the stars retire and they have unfortunately left big shoes to fill in terms of talent. Marketing from Channel 7 is absolutely awful as well. They can’t run the games as good as Channel 10 did, ever. Pretty much what I have listed is the reason why I hardly watch the Big Bash anymore. I used to pretty much see every Stars game but I’ve only seen 3 matches this season, not even from start to end
Ten also did an awful job...
that night of the massive crowd was by far one of the best nights to be out and about in melbourne i've ever experienced. the weather was that perfect point of warm without being hot or cool, it was just after christmas and everyone was feeling relaxed and the TV product was really good too. people just turned up for something to do on a perfect night.
I watch BBL on Kayo and the big difference when BBL left 10 is the presentation and build up. 10 was about family friendly entertainment, every build up the commentators were at the ground and you got a sense of the atmosphere and it built hype really well.
On Fox, most games are presented with commentators in a lifeless studio, sitting at a desk and talking stats and reading off a sheet of paper. There's no hype or atmosphere, it's bland and corporate and does little to get all demographics hyped for a game of T20 Cricket.
Of course there are other reasons but for me it starts with the broadcasting
the audiences have been okay this season.
Lower medium I think
When Cameron White got boo in front of the 80000 fans at the MCG. Victorian cricket release the next day statement, criticising the fans for boo Cameron White. But Australian cricket want the same fan reaction to the BBL as AFL and the NRL get, but then criticise the fans for acting the way they would if a player left there team for a rivals team in the BBL as fans would in the NRL and AFL, and I think that's the problem Australia cricket want the BBL to be this family event you take your family to in the summer, but also want people to have the same the emotional investment as other sports codes in this country, and it led to mix marketing, and if you want an example. As a Brisbane heat fan who's been watching for almost 10 years, I can't tell you who are main rival is, and there are a lot of people in the same boat as me.
Actually your point is very nice, cricket was always presented in a way that it's gentle men games and family friendly
Football ⚽, rugby 🏉 had always emotions with them ,but I don't know why it isn't same for cricket may be cricket bodies are cause of that
That’s also my problem with the BBL/T20 Cricket too, I feel like it’s too orientated toward families, which isn’t a horrible thing but it takes away a lot of the atmosphere.
Honestly this season hasn't been too bad there's been decent crowds at pretty much all games. I went to the Melbourne derby this year and there was 38000 people there. Atmosphere was electric
Yeah I feel BBL is making a resurgence
I would say 70% of the problem is that there are too many games and it takes away the feeling of competition.
There is no time to digest the current round and discuss team performance as they are playing every 3rd night.
The season is being shortened to 10 games from bbl14 due to a new tv deal
@@stantonclark I think that will drastically improve the next season. It will build a lot more anticipation for each game.
Sad to hear that...I want this sport to be as big as any ...here in the IPL average attendance is 50k...the final reached 105k despite the population factor)..bbl was on every Indian channal ..that McCullum-lynn era ❤️
I think the main problem is that the teams are all owned by CA and are run by state bodies, but now that there are so many t20 leagues going on right now than ever before, the majority have privately-owned franchises teams which are able to grow as brands, offer more money, and attract better players. Also there is normally a lot of international cricket being played in december and january, meaning that there aren't as many big name international stars coming over, especially after they increased the length of the competition, which is why you see a lot of overseas players have short stints in the bbl before going on to play elsewhere.
The only reason the bbl can’t be played during the rest of the year is because the afl is already being played and using the stadiums. With the new tv license deal the season is going to be shortened to 10 games from 14 games though.
Well, I heard on the radio one day that they said Mike Baird (former NSW Premier and now Chair of Cricket Australia) is looking at bringing private equity into the BBL and Cricket in general. I think this would fix a lot of the mismanagement issues we have seen occur, and the money and players that would come with private equity would certainly drum up a lot more interest. However, I think it's important that private equity is also put in at the grassroots level.
Great video. I only really became interested in the BBL recently when viewership has been down. If I had to guess why it’s fallen off I’d say Covid didn’t help, there are way fewer international stars and there’s little investment from the Aus stalwarts. Chris Lynn of all people is leaving early this year to go play in an overseas league!
Same i only became interested when the viewership went down. Today there are actually more internationals than there used to be, it’s only that there are more names that’s people have never heard of so It doesn’t feel the same. I reckon a lot of people that say the internationals suck nowadays are simply just nostalgic for chris gayle.
@@stantonclark its due to the age of cricket we are in, bbl was introduced during a crossover, where alot of the old generation was retiring, ponting,pietersen,gayle,warne,mccullum etc even the likes of simmons,klinger,vettori and co all played out their last few games in the bbl aswell as the new talent all coming up tryna peove themselves in this new and constantly changing australia side, now that australias and most nations clubs are newly established its the same 15 players going overseas and the big bash is suffering due to lack of variety
@@connorgarvin2056 I agree, it is unfortunate that the international players can't play the full season.
When is part 2 out? This is to good to have to wait
According to the description, in roughly a fortnight or so.
Sydney Thunder, most sixes has hit every game this year fyi... it was a draw last game. My bad
Doesn't help that the same two teams win every year. After a while it's no fun for fans of the other teams.
I remember losing interest about half way through the 2018-19 season which they had extended. I simply just got sick of it and haven’t followed it since.
It is being shortened again to 10 games from bbl14 with a new tv deal
Great vid as always Jagger love this style of content mate keep it up
Could you have a part 3 on how to save the BBL?
The BBL is already being saved
Yep, agree with the comments here. Too many games in the current format. Cricket isn’t basketball or football, it’s a unique game with a lot of casual fans. Less games would really improve it
OMG YES I LOVE THIS GUY! Thanks mate, you tell the history of sport and the backstories. Thanks for making a really entertaining video!
This guy's never posted a bad video! Keep posting
great video mate, so sad to see bbl dying, keep up the great work!
They expanded the tournament in the wrong way. You see, there are two ways of expanding a league:
1. Increase the number of games for the existing teams.
2. Increase the number of teams, keeping the number of games per team the same.
CA did the big mistake of going with the first one! This increases number of home games for each team and creates viewer fatigue, given the competition is wrapped up in a month and a half.
A better option would be: reduce the comp to 10 games per team but add one extra team, may be Geelong as they have a big stadium and a pretty big sports loving population. Then 9 teams playing 10 games each (5 homes games) and the finals = 45 + 5 = 50 games total. This will still be 5 matches per home venue and there wouldn’t be much viewer fatigue for home crowds. Each team will not be too stressed either in terms of scheduling. Since Geelong is in Victoria, they can create a ‘rivalry’ with the Stars and the Renegades and play them twice (home and away) and keep the attendance up!
Then also, another point! Make it privatized. Increase the money. BBL still has huge following in Australia. Adding to that, BBL is aired during the afternoon time in the winter break in cricket crazy India and has a healthy following over there that nobody has ever really talked about. It will definitely generate more money and interest.
As a scorchers fan fan we still get good crowds at optus, we would easily pack out the WACA
the biggest problem is the Australian cricket team, if the BBL is too lackluster or too not good enough for Australian cricket players to snub, why should anyone else watch it.
Who is snubbing it? Surely international cricket getting first priority is just common sense?
Prime jimmy faulkner was something else
Season is so long, it's too expensive to buy and maintain international AAA players, it is competing with the Aus open in viewership and the marketing is a lot smaller than it was back in 2010. We forget how much marketing goes into AFL to maintain the members for each team, for it to thrive after its inception it needs to be community driven like how footy teams develop talent
BBL started in December 2011...
Once the season was extended and it switched from channel 10 to 7 with half the games on foxtel it lost its excitement since you couldn’t watch half the games or wouldn’t know when your team was playing
If Cricket Australia keeps test matches during BBL and their own players are playing tests instead of BBL than wtf is going on? BBL would be bigger if all main players from Australia were playing.
I never really knew why everyone said that the bbl was dead. After all, we have only had half a dozen bbl games played in Perth over the last 2 editions due to our Covid restrictions. I remember that at Optus pre Covid there would regularly be 20,000 - 30,000 people in the stadium, more people that could fit in the WACA, however, I have recently been to Melbourne and now I understand it. I went to a renegades game and was surprised by how empty the stadium was (only 7,000 decided to show up) and the stars couldn’t even sell out junction oval. I don’t know if it’s because here in Perth we are more hungry for it after being starved of getting to watch the scorchers play for a couple years, but this year against the heat we had over 30,000 attend the game. Sad to see it not being followed as closely in the other states though
You have a successful team so maybe you're not so bored. Melbourne has two average teams.
Hi jagger
Glad to see you uploaded please upload more
Good onya mate..glad to say I was here from the start
Amazing video bro, but also include how the crowds and viewership has gone up this season especially
Cricket as a whole is just dying in Australia. It's sad to see because as an Australian myself, there's no other sport that competes with it. This sport has made me feel things that no other sport has gotten close to
See I disagree with this statement. Tv viewership for cricket is still the same if not growing. Plus yes the crowds are slightly down but this is due to cost of living crisis people simply cant afford to go anymore or would rather watch it at home. Still the only sport that can get 180 thousand plus people through the gates for an entire test match.
@@samrichards7309 fair enough. I'll admit that I was probably swayed by the deduction in crown attendance. I see that you've done some research so I'm not going to disagree with that. Maybe it's just me that feels that cricket popularity is past it's peak
They said that in the 1970s too.
The only cricket video where It's hard to find some Indians giving their useless opinions in the comment section.
Now big bash is growing again this year every match attendance more than 25,000
Think the AFL is dying to be honest.I’m a huge fan but crowd numbers are getting worse and tv viewership.
Not really 100k at the GF and some of that decline is COVID related
It would suck if NRL have brainwashed the masses into hating footy as I don't hate them back but the NRL always had a vendetta against the AFL with the Gayfl insults and the like
I think it was just because of COVID. BBL was going on its merry way before COVID, maybe slightly decreased but not noticeably. All the problems the BBL had in last 2-3 years were COVID related, teams were dysfunctional and players were in and out of sides. Furthermore, it meant one of the most important things for the BBL, crowd and family attendance, could not transpire. If we look at this season, it is not BBL 05, but it is much closer than recent years (in terms of attendance and ratings). It will take a few years to build back up, but it'll be great, and it is great. Cutting the BBL was a mistake.
Attendances have been dropping since the high of 2016/2017. There have been three seasons of decline before COVID came along.
I don’t think its only bbl its cricket as whole is loosing in Australia tbf I think the present and next generations are really not interested in cricket anymore 🙁
The Big Bash is back, it’s been great this season!
For me it was the sandpaper saga. After that I have gone off nearly all cricket and just watch some highlights videos only.
Number of leagues in the world has also changed the hype factor for bbl, and player unavailability has made huge impact.
how does this man only have 12 k subs
Watched yesterday's match and the stadium was packed .
Babe wake up, new Jagger Skilbeck drop
Very similar story to what happened to the Indian Super League (Football/Soccer)
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Such a good video can’t wait for part 2
Interesting, to be honest as a cricket fan I've never rated T20 and only ever watched a handful of BBL games. I didn't realise it was struggling.
Can’t wait for this gonna be a banger
I feel like what they need to do is shorten the season to a more reasonable length, and move it to a time where it doesn't clash with as many other leagues so that you can actually get talent staying around. I feel that the BBL can never be a serious league when it always plays second fiddle to the other competitions in terms of priority amongst the players.
It do look like it’s gonna be Scorchers v Sixers again this year too
It might be on the rise again really. So many thrillers this season, and it’s shorter next season, might attract more players overseas.
If most of your star players in the league just leave for most of games for the international duties, how can you lure the fans to watch the game? I've come to Aus for a few years and I've like watching cricket since I came here, but when I tried to be a BBL fan, I saw my team can never have the strongest squad due to those international duties, I'm done.
Too many games & prime Friday & Saturday games are behind paywall.
Bbl is also struggling because of lack of Aussie superstars who'll be busy with their national duties
Cricket is on the decline around the world and that is not going to change. Personally I blame the big three but deep down I think it was just inevitable.
Absolute banger my guy
believe me here in India we love bbl for it's quality
I think the reason why bbl is on the decline is becuase:
- extended season
- revamped finals
- gimmicks (being put in the game)
Will you elaborate" gimmick " a little bit
Cricket is most popular sport in Australia ❤
It all went to shit when Channel Ten lost the broadcast rights. Simple as that.
Even though the bbl isn’t doing well as it once was I’m always gonna watch the BBL even if the heat r horrible
Im one of the original Renegades Extreme team members for half time entertainment.... every home game was electric back then.
another reason bbl is falling off is because other sports are booming such as Hobart getting more people to Jackjumpers games compared to the cricket.
The power surge gimmick is of no use
loved that lynn/mccullum era
BBL12 has been great so far. But I feel like the season is too long. The season starts a week before the Public School holidays starts and ends after the school holidays have finished. I’m glad that they’re now pushing for a smaller season in BBL14, but the fact that only 34 or so games is going to be free to air out of 44 games or so is laughable. If Cricket Australia wants this league to grow, then why not make every match free to air? (Yes, there’s a channel 7/Kayo/Fox deal ATM). As of recent, Cricket Australia have seem to be making decent decisions for the league, introducing DRS, Removing the X-Factor rule (which no team used) and the Bash Boost rule (which was probably the worst rule in the entire league.) and also introducing smaller seasons from BBL14 onwards. Crowds have been poor, especially from teams like the Sixers, Thunder, Renegades and Stars. (Yes, more people go to watch the derbies but any non derby match from these teams usually get under 10K to at least 15K per game) The Strikers and Scorchers are the only teams that usually attract 20K+ per game, possibly due to the success of the teams. Not to mention that Covid has been a huge issue for the BBL since BBL10, seeing extremely low attendances causing the league to reach a new low in attendances. But overall, BBL12 has been a pretty good season so far, we’ve seen more high scoring/close matches this season but who knows if it’s enough to bring crowds back?
Cricket is the greatest most entertaining sport in the world ❤
I think the bbl resurgence this season
Great video jagger
I think there’s a few problems the league needs to address. I just bought the BBL season 12 magazine, and it is littered with find-a-words and all sorts of kid activities. I think the league is too focused on the kids. Its it a bit hard to watch when the batsmen come out to ten kids waving flags- having no idea what’s going on. The league also needs to stop the gimmicks. T20 cricket is already entertaining, no need for X factor or bash boost points- nobody could understand them anyway. Third of all- more big name players. Nobody knows half the Melbourne Stars team. It’s a good way to advertise a team by saying “Shane Warnes team” or “Joe Roots team” instead of bringing in all these random players in the BBL draft, like (no offence) nobody has heard of Luke Wood, or Patrick Dooley ect. There’s still time for the league to recover though. As long as it doesn’t run out of money.
There is no longer an X factor or Bash Boost point.
Also, nobody has heard of Luke Wood? Seriously??
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 you’ve commented on me before!
Now make new video on rise,fall and rise of bbl cricket 🏏
From being a bash for runs it became a tactical game. Ch10 had the best broadcasting team who had a great chemistry but probably the emergence of rival Leagues around the world with bigger money on offer to players is the main reason attracting the top shelf players that entertain the public. Cricket Australia and the franchises can not compete. We have good stock of Aust players but it’s no longer a Bash and run feast
You have got to be joking. Channel Ten's coverage was as bad as the other networks. Australian networks have ALL, for the last 20 years, done a terrible job at sports broadcasting. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
This year crowd looks better
Brilliant video
Channel 7 taking the rights but having most games played on Fox or Kayo is causing a huge drop in viewership.
Its almost unaustralian that its no longer free..
Thought I was just me. Used to watch every night and go to as many scorchers games as I could. Now I haven’t haven’t watched a single game on Tv this.
The reality is that until CA allows for private equity into the BBL, the league can only go so far in reach and growth. Its current financials limit the ability to improve the product and attract talent what's happening in the SA20 is really where the BBL needs to be to turn things around.
Wow I was just wondering last week why people hate on the bbl these days, and this video was a NOTHING BURGER
They felt the need to advertise the fact the they didn’t support Australia Day anymore. “ Go woke, go broke!”
I haven’t watched a cricket game in any format since & never will again.
Go away. You will not be missed.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 EAD
@@Flippidy_Dippidy Go away. You will not be missed.
If national players will not play your country ' s league then it ' s doomed
Idk it just hasn’t felt the same since 10 lost it
So much mayo on some of these calls haha. I know you have to establish a premise of its supposed importance in the Australian sporting landscape in order to drive home your point about its decline but the BBL has never been more than a quick infatuation. Those numbers were never sustainable with a product that lacks any substance. Come on mate, you can't seriously claim that there's a genuine "cross town rivalry" between the Stars and Renegades. They have no actual tangible difference. Red vs Green. That's it. The players change and switch sides every other week and if you're referring to the fact that they play at stadiums 3kms from eachother that's a stretch.
The problem with the BBL is nobody actually cares about the results. It's inconsequential who wins. Very few cricket fans could recall a single memorable occurrence in these nothing games after a few years. Guarantee they can tell you how Warnie got his 700th, Alan Donald's run out in the WC or where they were when S Waugh tonned up at the SCG for the final time.
The problem with the Big Bash is that it's on every night which completely devalues the importance of the games, the teams stand for nothing other than the colour of the shirt, the nature of T20 cricket means fireworks, music and trying to baseball shot 6s every ball mean more than crafting an over or an innings. It was and never will be a threat to test cricket in Australia.
Domestic cricket in Australia is concerning for the future of the game. The WA dominance isn't good at alln
For me, it’s just too predictable, sure it’s sport, but for me it feels like generally, when you see the game on, you’ll know who’s going to win, there’s not enough balance, or maybe there’s just not enough teams, but I still absolutely love watching the Big Bash, even through all its flaws
This is the story of the most boring sport in the world soccer ,not cricket
The move to fox (behind the pay wall) is killing public interest in the BBL and cricket in Australia more generally.
I’ve seen a few in the comments blaming 7 but that’s not the reason the of the fall. There are far too many games and simply the best players are no longer playing in the bbl because they are either playing for their county or for other t20 leagues. Get the best players back and playing for the whole season not 4 games and you’ll see a massive increase in the quality of the game and in turn views
this year's crowds have been way better, 17 thousand average not sure about the tv viewership though
Bro this year bbl is better the others years also better but just in covid 19 in this year the crowd average is 18000 bro
U know of zlatan respect
CA dropped the ball with this. It should have been city vs country. For example, Vic City with games played at the G or Marvel with country games been played in Geelong, Ballarat or Mildura
It... might be the switch from channel 10 to 7. 10, with all of its flaws, kinda knew how to market the game. Meanwhile, 7 does not, and will treat it like your run of the mill cricket comp. It sucks. The big bash felt like something special, and now it isn't.
The Gayle saga and extended season were the beginning of the end
i think the money stopped
People worked out hit and giggle cricket is trash and destroys a cricketers skill set?
Spin bowlers chuck deliberate pies in the hope of a misshit instead of another huge six.. that's not how you bowl. Batsmen can no longer play defensively fast bowlers bowling deliberately wides and full tosses, it's just.. sheit.