Why Melbourne Lost on Purpose
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2023
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Fascinating but forgotten is the Melbourne Demons Tanking scandal of 2009. This one might fall flat but I reckon it's pretty damn interesting. No team in the AFL has come from a flatter couple of years than Melbourne, and the cause is fascinating.
Unfortunately I won't be making a part three to the Hawthorn videos because frankly they trended pretty bad. But anyway, thanks for watching and I'll see you soon.
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New Jagger video, I used to pray for times like this 🥹
Fancy seeing you here
Use your prayers better Egg
Me too 😢
@@jaggerskilbeckHey mate, How's it going.. I was wondering when the next video is coming up, I don't get tired of watching your content.
Awesome 🫡
as the person who suggested this, I Can't thank you enough. this was a shameful time in demons history and honestly held us back 3 -5 years! i grew up around this time supporting the dees and it was really really tough! thought you were the best person to cover this topic by far! anyway my wish came true!
I'm a firm believer that barracking for a mid team when you're a kid builds character but jesus christ Dees fans that grew up around this time got more character than they needed.
certainly did
Amen to this
It’s like north fans now mate we’re worst than the dees
@@hehehheheheheehehehehehe6476 rough times, every footy colours day i was bullied, despite wearing it every year, the year I copped it the most was 2018’ for “Dusty out of the wardrobe” kind of crap. Was rough, Essendon copped it as much tbf after drugs and finals drought which is funny. But oh boy was it rough from prep - yr 5 being a dees boy. North are in all sorts at the moment, hopefully once Clarko is back everything gets better similar to Melbourne with Roos. Everything started going hay wire in a similar fashion when Petrie, Harvey, Firrito and Dal Santo weren’t offered contacts, just like the similarity of Melbourne and tanking. Good luck mate hope to see the kangaroos up again soon
@@Lucas-lk3gywonder if we get a video of this north team in a few years
This guy is bloody amazing! So much effort to entertain and make us wonder!!
As a Dees fan, it's tough looking back on this disgraceful part of our history. Like many footy controversies, the suits like Cameron Schwab escaped the repercussions of their actions for years whilst the MFC football department rotted, player development stagnated, and on field performance was horrible. Absolute mismanagement from the top (much like the Essendon Drug Scandal/Carlton in general) which serviced only their financial goals, and not the on-field performance. As is typically the case, it is not the players or the coaching staff (most of them anyway) that are at fault (though in this case there's been clear collusion), but the suits; and for their actions fans and players suffered for years.
The moral you can get from stories like this is that when looking for fault in a club's poor performance (on- and off-field), always look to the top to see why decisions are being made the way they are, and who is making those decisions.
Best AFL content creator bar none. Always quality over quantity which makes every single upload phenomenal. I still think your best work was how a kick cost GWS a premiership which you referred to in this vid. It's amazing how all of these events come around full circle affecting all the clubs. It truly is a beautifully cruel game.
As a Collingwood supporter, I'm glad that Melbourne are now a premiership contender team as well as winning the 2021 Premiership. I also remember Jim Stynes passing and I was sad when it happened
Melbourne supporters also gratefull to the Collingwood football club for gifting us the Queens birthday game each year when we were in a mess.
@@nickatkinson5692we are not grateful for Collingwood lmao
What's crazier is in 2009 Melbourne could've finished as high as 9th on premiership points with the amount of
Being a dees fan during highschool between 2007 to 2012 was rough, but we came back and finally won a premiership! And everything that happened in past doesnt even matter anymore!
Great video. My family is evenly split between being Richmond and Melbourne supporters. The success both clubs have had recently is made so much sweeter due the the horrific years that we had to endure but endure we did.We still turned up every week and will do so until death. You've got to love footy.
One of your best mate! Like you touched on, this is truly one of the more forgotten scandals to happen in the AFL. Great work bringing this to light.
Absolutely excellent study Jagger which is not unusual for you. All your videos are superb and my only complaint is that we don't get enough of them. Your research and video production couldn't be more thorough.
Genuinely the best video I have seen this year. This revolutionizes AFL content and what it can be. Keep up the Sensational Work!
Insightful and informative, as always mate. These videos are just terrific, you should be very proud of the content you're putting out. Great stuff.
Brilliant. Instant sub
As a long-suffering Dees fan, this is bringing back so many emotions. I remember being so ashamed to enter into any footy conversations knowing that we'd get a mention, because we were impossible to defend. You just had to cop it
And Jim... fuck I wish he could've been around in 2021 :(
Video suggestion: GWS’ journey to the grand final and the collapse that followrf
hey man, brilliant video as always! i was wondering if you could make a video on fremantle and how they were constantly successful from 2012-15, but never won a flag and then dropped off. there’s an interesting story there
We sucked so bad back then, I remember we still went to as many games as possible and would be happy if we only lost by 10-30 points. My family would be like "at least it wasn't by over 50 points!"
This content is absolutely elite, thank you so much for your time and efforts Jagger.
jagger mate, your stuff is beyond compare. its even got my old man (mad blues supporter for decades) asking me how to work youtube after i showed him the blues vid. keep up the superlative work mate
Two chances to draft Dusty, 4 chances to draft Fyfe… smh
Keep up the great content mate!
Every video has been awesome
Great video. Could you do the buckley and Malthouse succession plan and how it most likely resulted in Collinwood losing the 2011 Grand Final?
Jagger is the AFL equivalent of NBA's Jxmy Highroller on CZcams and I'm so grateful!!
Incredible video as per usual Jagger. Definitely one of your best
Would love to see a part two to this, where you cover how Melbourne fought through these hardships, and used this strength to win a premiership.
Would be amazing
Melbourne suck
Damn you tell a story well! That was brilliant. Everything i see from you is first class. Congratulations and please keep going.
Great Video. I remember one week James Magner got 54 Disposals in a VFL game and they told him they weren't going to pick him because they wanted to develop younger players (he was about 24 at the time).
Just glad the dees aren't shit anymore :)
hahaha i remember that one too couldnt believe it
loved magner he was an animal was fast becoming my new favourite player then never saw him again so sad
All these videos, all of them hits with absolutely no misses. Best AFL doco channel on CZcams 😏
Keep uploading these are so good
Hello! I like your videos a lot and like the style of how you make the videos seem more like a documentary. I don’t know if it will but I think it would be a good video to do on how Collingwood went from a 17th placed team in 2021 to a premiership team in 2023. Just in 2 years Craig McRae turned them around. I don’t know if you can do a video like this but it would still be cool to see in my opinion. Good video, I admire your work.
Love your videos and the quality you put into them. Would really like a video about my Swannies.
you are one of the 🐐s of youtube, keep up the great work with great vids like these mate
I get so excited when you post
Awesome content as always, pls make more videos like these
What a great video, where do you even find all of this old footage and what not? Very nostalgic seeing the channel 10 coverage from back in the day.
Jagger you're utterly amazing. Thank you for your time and effort!
If I could suggest a topic, perhaps a video of the premiership contending teams of days gone by, such as the crows of the mid 2000s, or the bulldogs of the late 2000s.
heart breaking for thje players being told that you are not trying when you are not being given the essential tools. good vid cheers i will definitely check out your others.
Tanking for pick 1 and 2 only to have Dustin Martin become who he became at pick 3 is a cruel cruel twist.
How about a video about Carlton tanking to get Kruezer when they left Fev on the bench at 3/4 time when he had 6 goals, he also unnecessarily missed games through surgery on a broken finger. Or how about when Collingwood tanked to get a priority pick to get Daisy Thomas and Pendles and left Buckley at full forward when he hadn’t played there. Heaps of clubs did it, not just Melbourne but Melbourne was the only one fined. Tony Liberatore even said Carlton tanked and he was an assistant coach there at the time.
Best AFL channel, content is always so good
always look forward to one of your videos
Jagger, I would love to collaborate with you on a video about Geelong and their rebuild in the 2000s, because most of the players from that era were actually from Geelong themselves/ Title it something like "The Day that Sleepy Hollow Awoke Again", but regardless I would love to help you with it.
It's a shame Melbourne were so bad during that time, never got to see what Tom Scully and Jack Trengove could have really been like if they managed to go to a club that was on the rise.
As a Demons man of more than 30 years, I can say you basically nailed most of it.
That said, I think more attention could have been paid to the ‘Hollywood Boulevarde’ clique of retired players and hangers on who had an outsourced influence on the joint between 2008 and 2013. There was a reason why Chris Connolly was incredulously given a job as head of football almost as a consolation prize after losing out to Bails on the head coaching position. It was because of the culture of cronyism and insularity that Peter Jackson identified as soon as he was appointed and, as uncomfortable as this is to say, that Jimmy helped to enable.
Love your videos. They are so interesting.
*_great video from the goat!_*
*_Also maybe you should make video on how collingwood succeeded in trading (from 2013 to 2022)_*
I’ve never been so excited for another CZcamsr Jagger is the best
You should make a video about the 2018 eagles premiership, or their 2010 season where they finished last, only to rebound in 2011 (losing deliberately?). Both very fascinating stories...
Hey Jagger, absolutely love your content and the Crom.
No pressure at all on this, but given the controversy over the weekend I thought of a topic that might be worth looking into if you’re interested:
‘Where would Adelaide be if all the apologies given to them in the past by the AFL from poor umpiring decisions were adjudicated correctly?’
Cheers Jacob, it's in the notes app :)
Such painful times. Still fresh in my mind. I remember the big debate in the AFL media regarding which "basketcase" side would make it. Richmolnd or Melbourne?
Onya Jagger. Elite video as always mate.e
You should do one of the 1998 Grand Final where the Crows were rumoured to have lost the first final on purpose, which they then went on to win the Premiership in stunning fashion.
Do more hawthorn content!! Love the vids
Can’t wait for the west coast tanking video
Love this channel
When is the hawthorn part 3 video coming out
Can the tanking be boiled down to Chris Connolly not getting the head job?
Definitely could be suggested that’s for sure! Was such a tough period growing up as a Dees fan through this
no part three for hawforn is crushing but otherwise once again another great video
Amazing video as usual
Hunny wake the kids jagger posted again
This really puts in perspective some current bad teams. Even west coast’s current state isn’t as bad as Melbourne’s was for a few years there
We gonna get the final part of the hawks series brother?
Love these
Wake up. Jagger posted. This is beautiful
Should do a vid on Geelong’s 2022 flag, how they were recruited, the heartbreak ect. similar to the one u did on WB, reckon it would be great
Thank god those days are behind us. Great vid. Go Dees.
looking at West Coast right now, they're pitiful, but even as a kid at the time, I could tell just how utterly horrific the Demons were. I don't think we'll ever see a team bottom out as badly as they did in the late 2000s to early 2010s.
I feel for dean bailey, he never had a chance.. so sad😢
This is a bloody great video! If you can, would you be able to do the story of the Matthew Knights era at Essendon and why it wasn’t successful?
Surely a video of my beloved Kangas soon
What is the Liam Jurrah saga? I don’t exactly know about it
Still dirty on that Richmond game. I had $10 on the Tigers leading at halftime but losing the match to win $100. First time Jordan McMahon did anything for Richmond and my $100 goooooone!
Doing a video on Geelong would be interesting
Another masterpiece
I never ever thought I would here the words 'Cale Morton, he is a big loss for the Demons'...then again it was Derrrwayne Russell. 'Oh baby'
Great vids
This guys videos are the best kept secret going around right now.
Damn. Now I wonder if my Wet Toast are doing this as well.
I tried to that tell a guy this he wouldn’t listen and he didn’t believe me either so I sent him this link very helpful stuff Thank you 🙏.
Bailey got screwed as he seemed to be u see all sorts of pressure. It certainly wouldn’t have been an easy position to be in.
Part of me thinks if a team loses on purpose for purely tactical reasons like getting a favourable draft pick that it should be allowed, because they’re still playing the game in a 4d chess kind of way. Obviously if they’re losing because they were paid to lose that would be very bad and wrong though.
I remember the AFL just let him get away with it and It’s bullshit, but they tried to bury essendon as deep as they possibly could dogs.
Having a wooden spoon is a blight on your record. You want to have as few as possible. Melbourne for all their premierships have a huge amount of wooden spoons.
As a Melbourne supporter I am so glad that none of the people responsible or the players drafted had anything to do with the 2021 flag. No disrespect intended to Scully and Trengrove, they were just the pawns in Conelly and Schwabs game. But it would have been labled as tainted for sure.
And there is no way Jim Stynes was sitting in hospital upset because we had won. Can anyone REALLY picture that scene?!
It's ironic that this happened to the Demons given where Chris and Cameron deserve to end up for what they did.
what i took from this is that you think: dean bailey's death > jim stynes' death. there aren't heroes and villains, it's just your framing of this whole thing. also people haven't forgotten, it only happened 15 years ago which i imagine is your age.
I think this scandel fogotern about due to the scandels on either side of it. carltons brown paper bags on one side and Dank becoming Mr White on the other
Interesting
What's the point of tanking for draft picks when you will get the sack before any of the draft picks turn the club around
As a north fan I reckon there might be a similar video to this in the future
and west coast hey
Yes
As a DEES fan...Jesus it was a rough time to be a fan.
Said it before and ill say it again: No team loses on purpose.
Yes, it was to their benefit BUT to say that playing people "out of position" was evidence of deliberately tanking is a joke.
If North Melbourne played Aiden Corr at FF, Nick Larkey in the ruck & bring in Jacob Edwards to sit at CHB for the last 6 weeks of 2023 are they tanking or are they experimenting to see what their players are capable of?
It's more like Essendon trying short ass Zach Merrett in the ruck. He's clearly going to be hopeless at it and he can't tap to himself. It's so obviously a losing strategy that that can only be its purpose. Melbourne's selections were obviously to loose as they served no other purpose than morbid curiosity of what if you played an entire team out of position.
@@dansharp2860 disagree entirely.
They stank playing guys in the "correct" position and then the one game they spin the magnets they only lost because of a massive goal after the siren.
If that goal doesn't go through then Dean Bailey would be called 'innovative' or 'genius' for pulling those moves off.
Melbourne weren't rucking a tiny mid. They used a mobile forward, much the same as Carlton do with Silvagni. Richmond won a flag with Shaun Grigg as their back up ruck so it's hardly tanking to try someone out of the ordinary.
The North example is accurate.
We already know they are terrible in 2023. If they spent the last few weeks playing people in different roles and then they end up with pick 1 we wouldn't say they were tanking.
We would say that Ratten/Clarkson are "innovating" or "experimenting with their list".
@@leeparker9457 Was it the final game of the year when Frawley held N.Riewolt goalless to 3/4 time with Melbourne in front? Then at the start of the 4th Frawley was forward and a 1st gamer was put on Nick and he kicked 6?
In that 2011 game at Kardinia Park, tanking was obvious. Geelong was tanking and could have easily have won by more than 186 points
How did Carlton escape without an investigation for their tanking in 2007????????
Melbourne did no worse than others have done. Carlton & other Clubs have done the same thing. The draw is manipulated by the AFL to benefit clubs like Collingwood which is completely corrupt.
I feel like they should have been punished more. However their tanking gave the tigers dusty and I never would have thought I’d see a tigers flag in my lifetime let alone 3. Large part thanks to Dusty and Melbourne’s tanking
Funny how Carlton got away with it, despite it being 10 times more obvious than this, and Libba spilling the beans on Open Mike. AFL is so two faced
Redic didn't get stripped of draft picks.