The Magic of ECU Tuning - /ENGINEERED
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Steve Dinan is an icon in the BMW world. DINAN's cars are fast, reliable, and well-rounded. Who better to learn about tuning your ECU?
Learn on Monday, wrench smarter on Sunday.
Introducing a NEW series on /DRIVE, aimed at educating you to build a faster, better, more reliable car: /ENGINEERED. We want to empower our fellow enthusiasts to know more, and do more, by learning from some of the best engineers in the game.
This was by far the BEST /DRIVE episode ever (for information). You guys could have turned this into a 1 hour/5 episode series. And I would binge watch this for 5 hours straight.
totally agree. Nothing but an interview happened, yet I couldn't look away.
+shaggyusm26 Was going to say the same exact thing. It's very refreshing to find something unbiased and as informative as this. We've all seen every supercar get sideways and shoot flames....It's nice to actually learn how it all happens at the base level.
+shaggyusm26 This and the first episode of /ENGINEERED were the best. He explained how stuff works and where the risks are when you have now idea what you are doing. Would like to hear more from this guy!
+shaggyusm26 Yes! I love the hand drawing questions subtitles and answers. So basic yet so intriguing and informative.
+shaggyusm26 I agree. It'd be great if they did more with Steve. He is super smart! I love listening to smart people speak.
Everything is more complicated than it seems, fantastic video!
+Engineering Explained just got done watching one of your videos haha
Hence, you do the homework for us and spoonfeed us.
i would love to see you do a video about ecu programming on your channel
Engineering is like a jigsaw puzzle, it's only when you look at the overall picture that all the pieces begin falling into place.
Very very true ..... You tell Mr. Dinan is very passionate about what he does that's why he's an icon
Wow..he knows his shit. Could listen to him all day. Everyone buying a $15 chip on ebay should be forced to watch this..
But 60hp and 20 more mpg bro!
Ian Thompson
ha..instant upgrade!
+Ian Thompson Decals work a lot better man
He's been into cars since he was young, it's pure passion! You can see it when he talks, that's what makes them great! Passion!
*****
I didn't read it like that - he was talking about turbo motors earlier (as in most BMs now) but his comment about softare alone not increasing power was about N/A engines.
The way this guy talks is like one of the best doctors with incredible bedside manner.. hes like a human Quaalude to the listener.. he can say your grandmother is a serial killer and you would just nod your head with dazed eyes.... Idont know what it is about him though.. he reminds me of Jeff Bridges, Michael cane, and Chevy chase rolled into one.. lol.
+MisterTotem2
I heard a bit of Jeff Goldblum in there too
This guy knows his stuff inside out, he talks too fast bcuz too many words literally stop you from getting complex subtle points across. I can relate to this guy in a bit, though I have no race tuning background.
stop him*
when a guy like this is so adept at his specialty, language/literature is an obstruction.
Riku0990 yuuuup.. one of the guys I was searching my dazed and dosed mind for... what im saying is.. This guys awesome.. lol.
+MisterTotem2 like linguistic related thing...? i came across that area of linguistics and mind programming after watching a few of derren browns shows. if u dnt know him, search it
Is surprising how simply just having a all-round nice boss can make the brand so much more appealing. Hope to see more of Dinan! Maybe a tour around the factory, showing them tuning a car etc
+boy638 I totally agree, he seems like a genuinely nice guy.
+boy638 Just because he's personable doesn't necessarily make him a nice boss. Don't get me wrong, he definitely could be, but he's a very competitive business that's striving to remain at the cutting edge and being nice doesn't always breed success.
Sopherion You have a point, but i was saying that this boss being such a nice person (in the vid at least) gave me a good impression on the brand.
I mean, I would totally look at Koenigsegg brand in a whole different (negative) way if Christian von Koenigsegg is an arrogant boss.
No doubt, no doubt. That is part of the reason I loved /Drive's series "Inside Koenigsegg" since it was Christian von Koenigsegg himself explaining these processes, not some paid spokesperson or even an employee.
+boy638 Yehp!! this guy is awesome - would love to send a track car to him for tuning!
This was amazing. Einstein always said that if you cant explain something in a simple manner then you don´t know what you´re talking about, and Dinan definitely knows his stuff. He gives a clear proper explanation and keeps you interested the entire video. Please make more videos like this, amazing!
Just because it’s Einstein and he says something, dosent mean it’s true. What you mentioned is Wrong
Steve is a legend in automotive high performance. Every word is gold.
I will never ditch this guy's class if he's my college professor.
emacemacii lol my exact same thoughts!
I doub`t he would teach any regular class. If you look around you`ll notice that a lot of people are plain dumb, bored by their very own existency and life and if that would not be enough then you have the know-it-alls that actually know little to nothing.
So your target audience would be a mixture of people that are actually really interested into getting to know stuff and then he might be interested to teach something. Even so it would be probably a one day only meeting not a regular class :)
But yes I totally undestand you and agree.
I agree. He's a wonderful instructor. Extremely knowing.
emacemacii I agree a lot with Steve. If you want a race car built correctly take it in to professional's and they'll build you a reliable race car. Enthusiasts these days get butt hurt if you didn't build it yourself, duh you want a race car to keep up rather then break lol
Here here!😊
Dear Steve Dinan,
You need to start your own channel here on CZcams! It was a real pleasure listening to someone who has "been there and done that", knows exactly what he is talking about and also has the capacity and the capability of explaining things in a manner that the enthusiasts can understand and helps them enjoy all the intricate details. Tip of the hat to you Sir!
czcams.com/users/DinanCarsdotcom
Mr. Dinan just took a super complicated subject and was able to explain it to the every day car enthusiast. That is no easy feat, and i thank him for lesson on ECUs.
I just learned more about ECUs in 14 minutes than in all my life before. Thanks a lot!
This guy is cool man
I too watched this stoned lol
+Carlos Same
HELL YEAH BROTHER.
I've learnt so much in this episode its comparable to an hour class in college. Dinan is simply amazing, I can imagine this guy teaching. Best /Drive episode I've watched
With this man's words of wisdom, I am having serious second thoughts about learning how to tune my own ecu. I'll leave it to a professional.
then you will never learn how to do it. first start with alot homework, read about the engine, ecu, how to tune,what software and hardware they use etc. and then start experimenting, buy some1 else tuned files and compare them to original ones, look what the tuner has changed etc and also, learn the basic things. u cant do anything complicated if u dont know the basic.
Unless you have some serious money laying around for a few new engines I highly advise against tempering with any of the values in the ecu. Tuning requires some serious knowledge and if you posses that type of knowledge you would be employed with a very good company making stupid money, just like this guy. At that point you would just buy yourself a 250k car and call it a day no tuning needed. Don't listen to these tools talking about go ahead man I did it the car works fine. These same people never come back online to post about how 20k miles later the engine just gave out.
Kalel Kent i tuned my diesel merc, with common rail fuel system, to be precise. there is alot of info laying around in internet,where u can study the basics. and looks like you are one of those guys who like to comment something what doesnt make even sense. like i said before. flash ur original ECU file into your computer, find good tuner and let them tune it. then when u get the fail back, get the program what they used and start comparing ORiginal file with tuned one. then u see the differences in the ecu map and can learn that way. but like i said,go find info at yt,google etc and you eventually will understand how to do it. but ofc, do alot homework and test tuning. best idea would be some older VAG diesel. they are easier than others. good luck finding answers :)
Lmao yea man just go online and read some stuff because we all know the info you get online is 100% I mean what could go wrong bro? I mean I wonder why the dealership voids the warranty on your car when they find out the engine has been tampered with? That's very strange of them to do that, I mean I told them I did a online course and I read all the forums so I'm sure I did a great job on the tune.
Lmao Billy your name says it all, Salty
i can't believe this only has 5,705 views. This is the most important tuning video I have ever seen. Dinan does an amazing job on tuning. They did a full overhaul of a 2004 BMW M5 that I had and added 80 more horsepower and 60 more lbs of torque. Turned the car into a monster.
Wow this guy is awesome. If he was one of my teachers I would have actually listened.
+Djonkie Bonk me too
Every BMW guy who owns 80's-90's cars should watch this video. Amazing work goes into those chips!
Always found the easiest way to explain octane is this: octane is a measure of the gases ability to prevent detonation. More octane = less detonation.
More pressure equals more heat. The hotter it gets, the bigger the detonation. If fuel spontaneously detonates at say 900 degrees and the temperature is 910, the detonation is pretty minor. If the temperature is 1000 though the detonation is much more severe. That's why ECU's have both fine learning knock control and feedback knock control. Fine learning is used when minor detonation is "heard" and the timing multiplier is adjusted by a fraction of a degree to make it disappear. Feedback is more immediate and pulls a full 1 or 2 degrees to eliminate a major detonation event.
So yes, higher octane means it can take more pressure, but it also means it can resist detonation and either lessen or totally eliminate detonation.
Okay. I think I understand what you're saying a bit better.
+TinPinFTW more octane indicates a more stable hydrocarbon bond. i.e. it requires more energy to break a methane chain than a septane chain.
+TinPinFTW Gas ratings in North America is listed as AKI, or Anti Knock Index.
Drive, having this show was one of the best decisions ever!! Brilliant job.
Love all the episodes but this one takes the cake.
You need to admire a person that can explain something that is extremely complex in simple fashion. Mr. Dinan shall now be called ECU guru.
Man I was simply just in a haze listening to Dinan talk! It could of keep going for hours and I wouldn't of even noticed! That's a really rare/ special gift.
Or maybe he just knows his shit and when you know your shit you can talk and talk and talk about it for ever
Calibration Engineer of 10 years here. This man knows EXACTLY what he is talking about! Its so refreshing to hear!!
Here you can see and feel the guy knows what he's talking about and that he loves what he does!!
It was really fun to watch
These /Engineered segments ARE FANTASTIC! Please make more!
Damn, Mr. Dinan is a very down to earth honest and funny guy...i like that.
Wow this guy fkn loves what he does. You can see the joy on his face just talking about it. When he spoke about the trial and error he went through with the first ecu I expected he would say it was hard and tedious but when he said it was fun and smiled like he was a boy again it really showed his love for the profession.
I guess the 7 dislikes are people that have been doing their own "tuning" incorrectly for years. This was/is a tremendously valuable video. Thanks to all involved. BRAVO!!!
My favorite segments of this show are consistently the ones that focus on mechanical engineering. Thank you all for creating these programs.
Finally a tuning video from someone that actually knows whats going on.
I saw Steve flogging a white E36 M3 at Laguna Seca in the late 90's. He had a blower on it and beautiful blonde in the passenger seat that couldn't keep her hair from blowing outside the car.
The M3 had tremendous exit speeds and was later featured in Car and Driver or Motor Trend or both.
My brush with greatness...................
Steven speaks eloquently as both an enthusiast and an engineer; this is a fantastic watch. I could watch for hours.
Gotta say, ABSOLUTELY blown away how straightforward this guy is....I really dig his approach, and really dig how he approaches things tuning wise, racing wise, car wise, ect....
Mr. Dinan, life's a tuned garden, DIG IT! :-)
This is right up there with the interview with Ulrich Baretzky. I could listen to them for hours. Thank you for these videos.
The Engineered series has been incredible. The caliber of automotive gurus is the best part. You can't get any better than Nelson and Dinan.
I love the passion you can hear in his voice when he talks.
I really feel like I've learned a lot only listening to him for a few minutes.
What a genuine guy. I've always heard about Dinan and liked what they did - now seeing Steve, I would buy his products/services.
Anybody else feel like they NEED a Dinan Tuned Beamer !?! Steve you hardwired geeza how difficult/fun was this I wanna hear more of this story!!! Scientific education in reality!
One of the best car-nerd videos I've seen on CZcams in a LONG time. This guy is my new hero.
My respect for Mr. Dinan and his accomplishments has grown tenfold. The amount of passion and knowledge he has for engine tuning is astounding. Please continue with this trend of videos /D! :)
I could listen Steve Dinan all day everyday. So much knowledge and experience.
Never heard of Dinan before, but after watching this I'm sold on the fact he's a total legend!
I hope that one day they create an ECU for the brain, so I can just download his knowledge and install it into mine. What an amazing guy too!
+Jane Huzrad haha right there with you!
I would expand my spank bank.
great listening to him thanks
yeah he seems like a cool guy good for a laugh.
carlos ortiz
what engine is that ?
THE MASTER NEZAR BMW durrrrr
Mr Dinan is one of the nicest and most "down to earth" persons I have ever seen in this business. He´s not doing it because it earns him money, he´s doing it because he loves it. How do you know that? Well, who else would cut the engine managment chip of his own car into pieces?
You can do a lot of damage if you don't know what you're doing. I'm an old school mechanic and i retired from repair right when the first American DIS started to appear. I could usually find bad sensor on the new computer controlled with an ohm meter without a problem. Their was nothing on the internet to help you much unless you wanted to pony up a couple of thousand bucks for Mitchels on the dial up. A small shop like mine was on your own. Either you could diagnose or you went out of business.
That being said,I bought a C5, 4 years ago as a daily driver and it's been a learning curve. I have HP tuner but I'm real careful about what i do and save everything if i do change anything. It's cool to try different tunes from others if you dont have a dyno, but i had it done right after i put a new 500 Hp engine it. I do understand injection tables but i am nowhere near knowledgeable enough to change them.
It is nice that you can get right to the basic fundamentals of what makes an engine run correctly. I love it. I wish was young and just getting into it, I'm getting old and dont have time to get in too deep like i used to. I taught myself auto repair and computer repair and networks after i messed up my back. I was in the trade for 25 years, and a lot happened after i quit fixing cars.
There is a lot of money to be made if you learn to program ECU's and cal. fuel injection. shop are becoming just parts replacers and good tech's a few and far between. If you're thinking about it and have the aptitude, do it. Win-win.
all I gotta say is that you're absolutely correct, but that this can be made "easier" (safer) with a proper wideband afr gauge. Usually the problem with people messing with fuel tables is creating bad rich spots or even worse bad lean conditions. Its all a learning curve but its definitely worth it! Good luck with your better, sounds like a badass project!
*Vette, not better lol
It's really nice to listen to someone who actually knows what he's talking about. :)
The way this guys eyes light up talking about tuning is admirable. You can tell he loves what he does.
This guy is damn knowledgeable and enthusiastic about what he does, it shows in the video. He doesn't get bored talking about it and frankly I didn't get bored listening to him, though it was highly technical. Has a fantastic, humble personality too; despite his great achievements. Just respect for him. Great video, simply awesome.
i don't think i've ever bothered to rewind a video so much. like every word he said is pure gold. :D
OMG finally someone who actually explains in technical detail why higher octane makes a difference in certain cars. Not like some gimmicky shows that just run dyno or drive around in circle.
Just amazing listening this guy, he really knows his stuff. I worked in the tuning business for five years, and have been saying this to customers for years. But Steve just has a wonderful way of saying the same things, and making it all sound so logical and understandable. Wish this videos was out five years ago, it would have made my job a whole lot easier!
I could watch these engineered episodes for hours and hours! I think this is what I want to do in life.
This guy seems very knowledgeable. I very much enjoyed this video, there's no BS to him. Reminds me of one of my instructors at corporate Kia training centers. RIP Mike Rodriguez.
As fun as it is to watch some guy thrash around a new (or custom) car in a beautiful setting, Engineered and Inside Koenigsegg etc are probably my favorite series on this channel. Well, I suppose I like Big Muscle too and another series that was once a regular feature on this channel.
Car manufacturing owners, I always thought were stuck-up, elitist businessmen like Enzo Ferarri. But this series has shown me how down to earth and knowledgeable they really are. People like Dinan, Tom Nelson, Christian von Koennisegg - They're very big names and I feel like I've gotten to know them as really likeable car guys. Please please keep this series going!
I'm going to school to be an auto tech and you just cleared up a lot of my questions that I had about how to start playing around with ecu tuning and how to get into it. thank you for this extremely informational video
The dinan M2 is going to be EPIC.
I am in love with this series, the q&a format ask the right questions and the knowledgeable sources answer in a manner it is easily understood.... Bravo!
Really interesting to hear about the 'traps' manufacturers put in the ECU. I guess that's no surprise as the manufacturers have been moving towards 'dealer only' serving for a couple decades. Great episode, Steve Dinan definitely has passion for what he and his company do. Love seeing how he lights up when he's speaking about cars/tuning.
This is incredible, thank you for doing putting this together! ECU tuning is a big interest too me as an embedded software engineer. I've always been curios how guys like Dinan do it and he very articulately explains the concepts and troubles of a tune.
what an awesome guy. you can just see how much he loves what he does and why his company is so successful. the passion in his words is very satisfying
Have seen Dinan tunes and parts around since I got into cars at age 16. Really cool to see the actual Steve Dinan, seems like a great guy.
I value learning all you can about something that you love. Being the best at something you love. This is a stellar example. It motivates me to push forward.
These small snippets have been so well filmed, edited, and informative. Also, seeing these legends like Steve and Gale explaining these things is amazing. Great work!
ENGINEERED is why I subscribed to DRIVE. This is great. Keep this kind of stuff coming. Thanks.
Mr. Dinan...thanks for taking the time to makes this. It must be a dream to work at Dinan and WIN!
This is a very experienced and wise man, wish this video was longer
I'm really enjoying these /ENGINEERED videos. Quickly becoming my favorite series on the /DRIVE channel. Keep them coming!!
I'm really pleased you guys have done a series like this. There is definitely an audience for it.
This guy is brilliant, I'm learning so much off of him and hearing things I've never thought of. Great to get professional insight at such a high quality!
Excellent insight into the world of tuning, keeps it simple so the common folk can understand. I would like to touch on his one comment about software not providing any gains without hardware changes....piggy back systems that adjust fuel/timing can gain 10-20hp in some areas of the torque curve but not peak numbers. Manufacturers like to run it rich in the higher rpms to protect the engine in hot climates for example at the cost of power. Also variable cam systems like vtec crossover points can be lowered so even a stock engine has gains to be made but only with time on a dyno with a proper tuner and not mass produced fixed programming drop in chips like he has said.
This is the best explanation of ECU tuning I've seen. Really easy to understand.
What a nice person! And he knows what he is talking about!
I'm glad he mentions that if you change hardware you have to adjust the software and vice versa (goes for force inducted engines as well) because so many "tuners" only do one thing. Which results in either no power gain or engine blowup when driven too hard. (or both)
I paid E150 to have the ignition dwell timing remapped on my engine to match a set of uprated ignition coils and it was the best 150 quid ever spent. It made a noticeable difference to everything from fuel economy to starting, to driveability. Also told it to stop complaining about not having a catalyst, upped the idle by a hundred rpm to increase oil pressure to save the stationary gear bearings, altered the fan schedule to cool the engine better, and then verified that the basic core operation of the engine was sound. Just some quick tuning made the car noticeably happier, especially with it being in a very high state of tune from the factory.
This man is a LEGEND!
I would love to see these videos come back, my favorite series on youtube ever
Awesome video and very informative but I have one point to make.
Tuning a stock engine is not worthless.
Yes knock sensors are used to set a specific timing, but on a stock vehicle the manufacturers are usually a LITTLE conservative so there is still SOME on the table. They create a "one size fits all" tune for a fleet of vehicles, not your specific vehicle.
I agree that companies trying to claim that a canned tune from their tuners will raise your HP by 30 on a NA engine is bogus, but getting a custom tune tailor made to your specific car will produce SOME power but that's not the only thing that makes them worth it. Its not only about squeezing out the last few HP/TQ. Its also about drivability & trans tunes as well.
For instance, most cars these days have traction and torque management that will reduce the output on purpose. Reducing those values will make a BIG difference in the feel of the car which many (including myself) believe is worth the price of the tuner alone. Not to mention other features like increased throttle response or adjusting shift points/firmness etc.
+James Wut kek he doesnt row his own gears
/DRIVE,
DON'T STOP MAKING THESE EPISODES!
this was by far the most informative thing I have watched about tuning period no bs
Excellent video, thanks for this. I want to get into engine tuning once I buy a Power FC for my car and this helped me understand the process a little better. What he said about the stock ECU having coding 'traps' is dead on. My Celica ECU CANNOT be tuned either through a direct link up or piggybacks due to these traps. It forces the owner to buy an entirely new ECU, which runs $1000 unfortunately.
What an amazing video guys, thank you. I've been around engines and modifying cars for over 25 years, and it's like Steve has opened my eyes.. what a super intelligent bloke :D
Best episode of the /ENGINEERED series by far. Great work, guys.
these /engineered episodes keep getting better and better. good job guys! please keep it coming. cheers from canada
Educational, informative, entertaining and, as always, very well done.
Thank you DRIVE and Steve Dinan.
I would like to see more episodes like this and lot more of Steve Dinan.
I'm really enjoying these "ENGINEERED" videos and the rate they are uploaded. Keep up the great work !
I just learn more about a motor 13 min than I have learned in my whole life, GREAT video!
This was the best video on automotive engineering that I have ever watched.
Only 4 minutes in and I absolutely love this guy. He's fantastic at explaining and just has a supergood feel to him. Would love to see more of him, and it's obvious others here do too!
Edit: Would love to hear his thoughts on camless engines and other possible future tech, and what challenges and advantages that would bring to ECU tuning and engines in general!
His market skills are fucking impressive, ls swap it!
Thank you for sharing Steve Dinan with us and thank God for Steve Dinan!!!!
This /Engineered series is my favourite one yet, and I'm a huge fan of your other work. Awesome stuff!
Steve Dinan is so informative, would love another longer video of him! AWESOME
I have Dinantronics installed on my F30 328i and people always ask me why I spent almost $2k when I could've spent a few hundred. If this video doesn't answer that question, I give up. It has turned a great car into a fantastic one.
Im a student in Electromechanical Engineering and I want to work on this industry (racing/ rallying) or ECU tuning for road cars. And I find this video exactly what I wanted to know about this kind of stuff! I would love to have a 5 min chat with this person !
Excellent episode, I'm not a BMW fan but I liked this guy and it was good to get a view behind the Dinan approach.
Props to Drive for keeping this series going and keeping it interesting, this superb
I could listen to this man for hours
Wish this guy was my uncle.
Right? I would spend most of my time with him lol
Casey Lockwood he could be your uncle
This is an amazing video. As he walked through it I felt the overwhelming urge to do this sort of stuff until I die...
This is one of the most usefull video I have ever seen. I have never learn so much in just 13:45 minutes. Thank you guys!
Dinan is really well spoken. Seems like a great guy to work for.
Incredible video/ interview with Dinan. This is as good (if not better) than the one with Tom Nelson that was fairly recent. It's good that he mentioned some of the chip manufacturers that sell fake/ improper chips......the ECU's are smart enough nowadays to know when they're being tampered with, and they revert the car back to its original tune. Modern ECU's are incredibly complex and smart, and their computers are incredibly advanced.
I know not to believe everything on the internet, but seeing it in person, remapping the ECU on N/A cars can make a difference. Was at a shop with my friend who has an early '00s Bimmer and he gained 28hp on his N/A engine. It was done by a shop, not just a cheap chip, and was about $500, give or take. Extended the power curves and made everything smoother.
+Zero Shima What was the base engine?
jospi2 To be 100% honest, I didn't pay attention, even if I did I probably wouldn't have remembered anyway.