What to avoid from Powder Coaters, Don't just let anyone do the WORK - Ep 48
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- This video is being made to show people what to look out for when purchasing wheels that have been refinished, or when looking for a place to refinish your wheels. These Work SP1s got into the wrong hands and paid a price for it. Luckily I managed to save them!
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Wouldn't want my wheels turning out like that. Thanks for the tips, little extra work makes a big difference.
yeah its crazy how people cut corners sometimes
Don't know much about this stuff but I appreciate your honesty and dedication to doing the job the right way...the only way it should be done..it's called integrity..awesome brother..keepit up man..
I hate to think the guy who coated those wheels after you had done the faces called himself a professional! Id have told the customer to either save to have his/ her barrels tree-coated or at least had them stripped and polished. That wheel was a mess homie! I love how you select the best examples of content to create and pass on to us viewers! Im going back and watching all your videos. Love that you're back and doing your thing as a cong consultant and that you'll be doing some coating content in the future my guy! You deserve WAY MORE THAN 10K SUBS!! STAY BLESSED AND STAY SAFE!
I truly appreciate this message. And yeah its pretty wild what people are willing to pass off as good work.
I said I was going to be silent. However I can't. Thank you for showing how lazy people really are. Customer service begins with quality and you have pointed that out very well. My hats off to you keep em coming, great content!!!! As always Have A Happy!!!
i appreciate the kind words and thanks for joining the live last nite!
If you powder coat over anything other than the substrate of the part then you're not a powder coater.
If you are lazy you're not a powder coater.
Holy crap I need to hurry up and get back to coating I've been gone to long. Thanks this video was awesome to me to give me more drive. Thank you
glad to help!
You do beautiful work and you care of your end product! Keep doing quality work like that and you will never be idle my friend. Joe
I appreciate it!
I decided that you fixing other powder coaters work is my favorite kind of video pls do more
Haha I could make a series
Cause another one is coming up
Can’t imagine getting my wheels back and being able to scrape the powder off with my finger nail
Haha well imagine buying these diffuser and having it flapping under your car...
Unknown Coatings good thing I sold the one I got
I’m really enjoying your vids. Especially the Q&A. Thanks!
Good to hear. q&a coming Saturday
Unknown Coatings Cant wait. I’m setting up my garage for personal coating mainly. Vintage Motorcycle builds/restorations. I’m learning a lot that will be very beneficial on my current project. Again, Thank You
Very interesting great to learn how to make the right choices!
This is why you get my wheels.
You could have had more!
@@UnknownCoatings I'm still trying to structure something for that actually.
Turned out really nice, thanks for sharing.
One point about acetone spray bottles. Be careful buying them. I bought four acetone spray bottles, labeled on the bottle “ACETONE”. None lasted more than a month before the sprayer stopped working. I bought these from McMastercarr where I buy a lot of things. Normally a super reliable supplier. If anyone has a good source for these that work for a year at least, I’d like to know.
Man, it’s hard to believe that work was so bad. I suppose they thought that they could make a lot of money charging a cheap rate and not bothering with the required details. They likely thought they did a great job. Often I’ve found that people who do a crappy job actually think they did a great one.
I'm pretty sure answer is yes but just want to make sure you have to have chrome stripped off chrome rims first before sand blasting I have a set of 22's I want silver then metallic blue lips with the faces white and the silver separating the 2 colors. Great videos definitely will be watching the rest of your videos as a point of reference for when I coat my own rims
Chrome should be removed entirely. if they are brand new you can get away with sand blasting em but its a big risk on pitted chrome
Awesome video and tutorial. Thanks
thank you so much!
Q&a was awesome very informative as always.
Good to hear! Gonna do another one Saturday!
Always a pleasure to watch your vids
Glad to hear it!
Another awesome vid .You cant get better info/practical knowledge from a professional like u. So when are u going patreon as there's no free lunches.😉😄
Cheers Romero
Haha I don't think anyone would pay for this information 😂
@@UnknownCoatings 1.38 and growing . Good luck on your surgery mate . I ll send ya some skittles then 😇
Whoever did that wheel should be ashamed. On a side note I'm curious about your tire machine set-up. do people leave their vehicles with you and you remove the tires coat then remount? Thanks
Yeah all the time. The Subaru in one of my last videos was in the shop for the job.
19:58 that looks really nice. Looks a lot like ultra chrome powder.
Q&A was great man
Glad to hear!
Fantastic job 👏
Good video very informative!
Thanks!
Love your work mate
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Awesome info!
That silver is 🔥
Agreed
It was a good q and a
Good to hear!
First as always great vid with great info. I went out and bought the 6” tip for my gun in hopes it helps me get into hard spots. I still struggle getting powder to go into lug but holes. Any suggestions?
are you taping the rear pad? if so do you cut the lug hole openings out?
As always great vid
Thanks man!
I just started powder coating. I'm having that problem. Chips off like that or the powder doesn't lay out right. Too thin in places and too thick in others. Thoughts?
Chips off would likely be a cure issue.
cure time is after the rim hits the cure temp
Gotta start somewhere haha
What is in the strip tank that takes off the finish like that?
I have a question. I am building a ton truck want to powder coat the frame to match. the cab color. Part of the frame will be exposed and part of the overall color and look of the truck. Some people tell me I can't do that, because the powder coating will never look like the color of the cab. It will always look "different". I have also been told that if I coat the frame with as close of a color that I want as possible and then a painter can match the paint to the powder coating color. I have also been told I will need to coat the frame with a glossy clear to try to match the base/clear color I want to use. The color is Audi Nardo Gray. What is right? Can powder look like base/clear? Do you think it will look ok? blend in?? or not be noticable and look the same at base/clear?
do you have to use chemichal stripper or can you use sandblaster instead?
speeds up the process immensely
You could use a chemical stripper, but they are nasty. You still would have to shot blast afterwards.
Great videos bud!
I appreciate your taking the time to show us how it's done!
UKCARMY
always stoked people find use in these videos!
when you tape off the back plate how do you reduce powder build up in the lug bolt holes
cut the opening for the lug hole itself.
I notice that you Did not pre heat the wheels prior to coating. Is that a step you just left out or is this not your process? Thx.
i outgassed them, but sprayed them while cold. Not too sure if thats what you are asking
Just watched your Evo x vale cover video. If you ever got coating inside
Even a little would if damage the engine over time.
Just wondering.
Thanks
Mark
Only if it dislodged.
I just started powder coating. Curious as to what you use to strip the old powdercoat.
RIM STRIP, info is in my video description!
If my suspicions are correct 😂😂😂
When arent they?
What gun would recommend for entry level to start learning with???
Do you tape up the out lips/ rims when you powder?
I currently own 3 2wd Ford Rangers from 2004 to 2011 and I have around 30 of the 15” steel 7 spoke factory wheels. The silver grey paint eventually comes off and the face rusts. I deliver pizza and I want my truck to look good. I’m not sure if it’s worth buying a powder coating kit or to hire it done.
if you are only doing one set, just pay to have em done.
Do u have to tape off all the holes on all the rims on every set you do?
Iam looking into doing my chevy 6 lug rally wheels gloss black
thats awesome, hopefully the videos here are helpful
How do you when when a face is meant to be sandwiched, behind or in front of the the Barrel and lip
how do I do what exactly? process is pretty much the same
I am a complete newbie at this and everything you pointed out even I knew was wrong . That powder coater just had a IDGAF attitude and was completely lazy. Glad he isn't in business no more
Hah yeah I feel ya. It's pretty wild. Ironically these guys used to be a customer of mine but decided they wanted to pretend my job was easy
@@UnknownCoatings Unbelievable wow
Is it possible to get by with starting a new powdercoating business. Maybe just a small side business but without having the chem stripper. I've been doing powdercoating for several years now. The only thing I don't have is the chemical stripper. Would a sandblaster do just fine for most needs? I've never ran into a circumstance where I needed a chemical stripper. Just wanted to know your opinion
Absolutely when I started I didn't chem strip or blast my parts. I had someone blast them for me
Do you do your own polishing? If so do you have any videos on that process if you do?
Nope and I never will minus vibratory polishing which I'm waiting for my equipment on
Hi! What kind of silicone and stripper do you use?
Stripper is listed in description, Silicone is GE window silicone
Good evening, where are you located, I need mine redone guy did mine the exact same way. Left the curb rash and all 🤦🏽♂️. Also I took the apart and I’m trying to get the old coating off. What would you recommend at home/DIY
Located in SLC, UT. Not much will take powder coat off, in a home environment.
What chemical do you use for wheel stripper?
👍
I for sure missed the Q&A
Q&a coming Saturday
How much do you normally charge to do something like that?
i have some steel rim i want done how do i know were a good shop?
Just make sure they do proper prep work. Sand blasting, zinc primer, etc.
damn as a new powder coater I thought I was about to get called out for some shit I ain't even know , I am glad I'm not this bad at my damn job
its all about learning!
Do you use a primer after sand blasting if so what one would you recommend?
On most stuff no. Steel pieces I often do. I just use a zinc primer
@@UnknownCoatings awesome thanks... one more question if you don't mind what media do u use for blasting your wheels? And would 80 grit aluminum oxide work for wheels?
Zinc primer or a 2 pack etch.
I have been wanting to start a powder coating company down here in houston, i already have a shop but need an estimate on how much I would be spending on equipment. I have been doing research myself but i am curious as to what people on here have spent themselves. I would do calipers and small things like that, biggest probably being wheels.
Spray booth, sand blast cabinet, good quality gun, compressor, oven, just the basics you would be into @ 15-20K depending what you purchase. I am in TC, just a few miles down the road from you. If you got any questions just holler. I know this was 5 months ago, but it was 2020, so...
Could the centers be polished back out as well like the lips? I'm trying to get mine stripped and polished
yes absolutely, its more work after sand blasting but a chem strip and repolish is absolutely an option !
Is it ok to powder coat the entire back barrel? Or should I leave areas bare where the barrels meet?
I tend to coat the whole barrel.
How do I go about removing peeling chrome off my wheels before blasting them?
have a chrome shop remove it!
Why did he say that "...satin finish obviously isn't ideal". Is there something wrong with satin finish? Honest question.
where did I say that? I will have to go back and check the context lol
L
Why are you touching the parts with your bare hands? Shouldn't you be using unpowdered latex gloves? Good video. Thanks!
thats what everyone tells me but in nearly 15 years I havent experienced a single problem. clean hands and low humidity in my area probably helps
What do you charge for this amount of work, what did this set cost or what does a typical standard wheel cost
around 1000 for this, 500-600 for a typical set of single stage wheels
A used car dealership lied? I AM SHOCKED
Haha right?!
Can you powder coat a 3pc chrome wheel? Or do you need to strip it firsr?
I always suggest stripping it first
What kinda wheel roller is that and where can I find one?😅
I made it but I have em for sale as well
What color is that? I like it.
IFS SILVERDILLO
What color do you paint before you paint purple
none.
I would invest in power tools
I have power tools. What aspect do you think I would need them in relation to this video?
What do you use for stripper ?
Rim strip. Information on how to purchase is in the description of my vids.
The wheel he sprayed with the Gema gun would not have been a good finish as there were misses on the rim.
But you can see the finish is fine. So apparently you aren't in a good place to comment.
Even funnier is no wheel in this video was sprayed with a "gema gun" lol.
@@UnknownCoatings Pity I cannot put a grab shot on here.
What kinda tape is that
Kapton tape
@@UnknownCoatings ok k thank you
Where’s your shop located?
was in Utah
Is there anyway to contact you? I have a few questions.
ukcarmy at gmail
Look at you with your lapel mic
occasionally.
how come you dont clean the jobs before coating and you put your hand oils all over them.
are the other people wrong when they say you must clean off all oil and grease with prep sol or is it acetone i am a newbie so i dont have any idea,.
just they seem so anal about prepsolinmg the whole job then weir gloves. shorty if it was such a issue you would weir them as a pro that you are.
I have NEVER once had an issue like they describe, and its been 14 years of powder coating for me
After the shotblasting. He should of used a two pack etch primer. This would stop oxidisation creep if a chip occurs.
Lol I love getting bad advice! Its literally my favorite part about this channel
@@UnknownCoatings I owned Static International Ltd in the UK. I designed electrostatic spray machines in the 60's up to 2000. We introduced powder spraying to Canada and the US in the early seventies before Gema, Ransburg, & Nordson. Or anyone else had machines therefore. I think I know a lot more about the subject than you. Google my name.
@@dodgement imagine telling me to google your name and me doing it and finding nothing. 😂😂😂 Cool man. You can "know" as much about "electrostatic machines" as you want and if doesn't indicate anything to your knowledge here
@@UnknownCoatings Did you have the sense to Google my name with Patents?
@@UnknownCoatings I also owned a coating Business called Static Coatings Ltd for 40 years. mainly coating car components for Jaguar, Honda, Vauxhall, etc.
i think i know who the one dislike was... :0
hah yeah, im sure it helps em feel relevant or something
Lol I used to do huge production runs with that silverdilla.... The guys and I called it silverdilldo.... Yeah childish. The stuff tastes like hair spray.... Maybe it was the brand.
the IFS one? I know there is Siverdilla from one place and Silverdillo from IFS lol
@@UnknownCoatings I really can't remember it was a good 7 years back it was a new color then I just distinctively remember it tasting like hairspray. Man I really miss powder coating which is why I'm sitting on business up here soon also which reminds me I really appreciate your videos
Awesome work dude how do I get on the list to get some work done?
.. I wanna do the wheels on my bike, just followed on Instagram @paka978
email is best unknowncoatings@gmail.com
So my question is, why are you working on wheels where the owner did not like the first job you did? Obviously the owner is a dick to get you to power coat them the first time, then take them to his buddy to redo the work you did and now he is back to you again. I would have told him to piss off the first time or charged him a real huge asshole tax.
Totally different customer.
Dude you really need to get yourself either some pneumatic or battery powered tools, When you own a business time is money and this is just a big waste! If you are going to use hand tools you should at least invest in a good quality set if tools!
Lol I own pneumatic tools and battery powered ones as well... I appreciate your "advice" though.... I'll stick my crappy craftsman and snapon and Matco tools. I hope my videos are still informative now that you know I'm not using quality tools
@@UnknownCoatings I just came back to delete my comment, I just want to apologize that you had to read that! That was the very first video that I had seen of yours, But I have been watching your videos nonstop since then! I’ve been an Auto and Marine Mechanic for the past 27 years and I have owned my own shop for the past 10, CZcams is just flooded with young people who are too lazy to work a real job so they just make videos repairing their own vehicles and they some how think that they are Mechanics! Sure they get the job done but they don’t have to worry about standing behind their work and repairing vehicles for free when they come back with that problem, A perfect example would be every person who has made a video showing how to replace control arms or any suspension part for that matter! What they don’t know is you’re not supposed to torque any suspension parts until the wheels are on the ground and the vehicle is sitting at it’s natural ride height, These idiots don’t know what they don’t know! So now someone else watches their video and now they think that they can fix their own vehicle and they end up causing more damage, I can’t even count how many customers have come to my shop because they messed something up after watching a video! I wasn’t sure if you were a CZcamsr making videos or a business owner showing people your skills, I was going to come back earlier and delete this comment but I couldn’t stop watching your videos! Lol Just out of curiosity what state do you live in? You do great work and strive for perfection, Once again sorry about that snarky comment!
Are people really that lazy
You would be amazed!
don't blame the company for the product..blame the idiots who did the work...to me it looks like they spray painted the black not powder coated
I blamed the company who did the work....
@@UnknownCoatings well you mentioned looks like they used prismatic powder for the black, thats why I stated don't blame the powder company is what i was trying to mention...great videos by the way, learned alot from your clips
@@417plasma6 I'd suggest listening a little closer. 6:12 or so into the video