Powder Coating Issues
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- čas přidán 23. 03. 2021
- So we all have bad days...well this is one of them. This Illusion from Prismatic powders kicked my you know what. Watch and see.
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I gotta say as frustrating as that probably was...it lets us little guys see that issues pop up...shows ways to deal with those issues. And shows the shop issues are real.
I'm a very little guy....do I'm happy to help
Great video, thats real life powdercoating. Ive been do this professionally for 15 years and have had more than my fair share of problems. I wish you were closer to me so we could share ideas. Keep the powder flowing.
Im no pro by any means, but the only thing that I could suggest is that the powder has settled and packed to tightly, then when the air is introduced into the box,it loosens or "liquifies" the surrounding supply.
Then what may be happening next is a pile will "avalanche" down to the pick-up tube and you'll get an unwanted surge supply. Try fluffing up the whole box loosening all of rhe powder tying not to bang the box around allowing the powder to settle like a box of fruity pepples. Hope this helps.
So glad I found seen this video. Hate that your dealing with this issue but I’m glad to know I’m not the only one. I use a cheapo gun and with certain powders I deal with spiting powder. I have wasted many pounds of powder but I think I have gotten it figured out for the most part. Thanks for the upload!
Is that something that comes from first hand experience and just doing it enough?
I just did a race car chassis in illusion purple. It came out beautiful, but they are always challenging.
Thanks so much for ALSO showing when things go fubar. We gotta show ‘‘em customers what’s going on when they leave & why we charge that price. All your hints are damn useful guys!
I have that same issue with the air surge
Definitely learn a lot with your videos keep it rolling
I stand back 3 to 4 feet and do quick burst of air from my blow gun on shop air, it takes some practice but when you figure out angles and distance, it works well, and leaves the well charged powder where it is.
Good for you staying calm this was a good post I enjoyed learning how this was all done
Looks like you're using a wagner gun you need to be adjusting your nozzle and spraying from a further distance for certain parts of the object. Also you're getting massive surges of powder which aren't getting chance to be charged causing the powder to simply fall down and cause build up at the bottom. Thirdly on a heavy metallic powder like that you need to lower your powder to air ratio. If you're still having the same problems simply take the noob approach and place your hand on the bottom rear side of the wheel and tilt it forwards so that the powder falls off instead of building up
just using way too much powder for an enclosed space, of course most of it is just going to fall
Thanks so much for your honesty , have had my fair share of frustration but i love it anyhow.
Good videos brotha very informative I enjoy watching them. Tryin to get my own little business started and your tips are very helpful thanks for the content
the tips ware quite quickly if your shooting non stop. I'm always checking my nozzles tips and air pressure. also fluidiser air sometimes needs turning up to get the powder flowing
in my opinion less air and less powder will solve your problem, sometimes i have to deal with same issua, it depend on material.. like, i have different Kv and powder options for steel and for aluminium things.. couse if i use my options for steel to aluminium,powder is falling down no matter what, it´s just falling down
As stated below try closing the bag of powder zip tie it and roll it around fluffing it and dont let it get packed inside the bag. Cheers!
Yup, it does work well! Have a great one!
ahh those days. Been there.
“You pay for the color emotionally...”
My Gema was spitting the other day too!! I found out it was the hard tubing lines (red/black) had gotten crimped over. A 4 hour round trip to a place down south to get some new parts to replace a few things.
Dang thats a haul for parts
@@RightNowPowderCoating it’s why I sent the wife!!
Cuál era el problema me está pasando lo mismo aplicando bronce chrome
Also, do you not have static charge issues after blowing off with air? I always have to put items back in the oven a few mins when I blow them off too much, to disappate charge, or nothing will stick.
That surging is what pegged out my red-ass meter today lol
This is why I watch ur channel lol
I kinda like the color
I noticed you didn't tape or wipe the mounting areas of the wheels? Are you not worried about that?
What was the humidity level that day, and how long had it been sense you checked your moisture catchs, or did you just have bad powder from the start? Other then that is your compressor running while your shooting
Frustrating AF. I’m still learning to figure out the different air settings on my Gema. Hate wasting powder, but I don’t know any other way.
And they all spray a bit different
you have water in the air, try to release the air from the compressor. greetings from serbia
so your not actually putting 2-3 mill on the clear coat ? wheels look awesome for sure..i gotta try the blueberry and the red illusion
Seems like a humidity issue. Check your compressor air feed setup
Nope it was clumpy powder, it was rat holing, caving in and surging. We fig it out. Thanks for watching!
Illusion is the most user friendly system according to prismatic. I dont know sometimes it can be a pain
It was more the wheel design and clumpy clear coat that was killing me
That's the same gun I have.
Is this an issue with the Vevor system I ordered? It's a pot feed with fluidizer. I just sold my HF system because of it's lack of flexibility and reach into tight corners and gaps. The Vevor is probably more than I need but, if it works well, I may have another part-time income stream.
Dude... Dude. I think yesterday (Wednesday) was a universal rage day. It's not just your gun surging, my optiflex pro does it too. Ive adjusted air and cloud all over the place and the only thing that seems to fix it is shaking the pick up tube or pulling it out of the powder and blowing it out then going back at it. I ruined a set of pulleys yesterday because I was trying to shoot primer hot to fill some pitting and it surged as well as the cloud kept changing. Result, sagging on the bottom of a couple of them. Very frustrating and I hope just an isolated problem. If you have a work around, I'd love to hear it.
Thought on it and I think it was my powder. I think it got compacted. To fix take bag out of box and roll it a bit on the floor to break it up. I'm gonna try it.
My powders like to do like fire extinguishers and get settled in (compacted)
I’ll either roll the bag on the floor like Dan suggested or if leaving the bag in the box just kinda mash it up. Seems to help
Just a check back. So my powder was pretty compacted. I fluffed it up and it seemed to help a good bit but the zinc primer still had a bit of not really surging but waves of thick to thin clouds, not crazy and unusable but like small waves. I tinkered with the air and was able to get it to mostly flow evenly. Just going to chalk it up to being a heavier powder. The color sprayed fine after fluffing it. Might make it a part of my powder load routine.
@@jameskuhnturtleworkscoatin9413 on heavy powders crank up the fluidization air a bit too
What is the color ?
The problem with powder and the problem with the machine, the gun is important
You didn't mention how to fix the gun spitting problem...
What was the problem with the gun? We are having the same issue
it was more my settings then the gun...most issues turn out to be operator error.
Im about to quit over some Neon yellow….
Respect
I’ve been having trouble getting the prismatic clear to flow out with no orange peel.
That's where the Corona ring we sell comes in handy, check out Wednesday wisdom ep8
I actually like that 1st purple in a weird way
Why would you hot coat them knowing that your gun is having issues?
It was not the gun, it was the powder, but great note, thanks for watching!
Hey,
What settings u using your gema gun?
So, you spray illusion colors over a white base coat, rather than over bare metal? Have I been doing it wrong?
nope, just on this cust customer wanted odd look, we ended up stripping and coating illusion over bare wheel.
Low down your fluidization level , clearcoat powder is to fine and you have bildups in jour intake tube. Thats why it spits. Also low powder amount near minimum. Im in europe and using the same gema. Intake pressure 6 bar. Kv 100, amps 7, powder 19, air flow 24. Nozle air 2, and fluidization 2. Hope it helps. Im powdercoat for 20 years now. Sory for not so good english not my lenguage.
Also my powder setings are always lower than air. For every day use is powder 21 air 24 and always look that air is at least 2 numbers higer than powder. On that gema we have over 1200 hours by now and no spitig. Hope it help you.
Very good mashine it is my 3 gema by now and it is the best of them all.
@@davorkelava5225 great tips, thanks, we will try them out! Much appreciated!
@@RightNowPowderCoating One more tip always low down intake tube to the botom of the box. If not, in first you use all fine particles in powder because vibrating force down havyer to the botom and on the second half of box you have problem with powder flow espesially on metallic paint.
@@davorkelava5225 yup, when I sold these guns we always made sure to tell people this....turned out to be compacted powder, really appreciate your advice!
whats your most consistant ems setting on your dewalt gun ? i love mine just havnt got it dialed in perfect
I'd have to look, we are in like the 79 to 83 range I think, we have a cheat sheet based on what metal we coat
Do you guys set the ems on the Dewalt temp gun at a fixed number or what I have the same one and it says to change it for different metals and gives ya alot different temp readings changing it?
Depends on what's in the oven, Google settings and writ em down
Did you figure out why your gun was spitting?
yes, the powder was compacted, we rolled it a bit on the ground, no more issues.
On average how many powder-coat projects/jobs do you complete each day?
Really depends, we do anything from wheels to hundreds of clips. Also depends on condition of parts and colors. Our oven is usually on 6 to 12 hrs a day though.
Hey i'm using Prismatic powders clear vision ontop of black and every time I cure it is comes out grey! Have you ever had this problem? Any pointers?
Nope, but we dont typically clear gloss black. I would try a different clear and see if you are getting the same results, may be a bad batch.
Are you fully curing?
@@TheTintman2009 yes I am. Any suggestions?
I have a question that someone can answer. When I shoot a high gloss color like black, and then wipe it with a cloth it puts tiny surface scratches in it. I also shot a matte black and put a clear coat on it, cures it and wiped it with a cloth I got the same result. These tiny surface scratches. Is it a bad cure cheap powder or it that just how it goes. I get my powder from prismatic powders. Someone please help!
It's gonna scratch just like liquid black and clear. Clear over black will help a bit.
@@RightNowPowderCoating ok thank you! One more question. Is there a way to get those scratches out and to clean the part to not get those scratches.
@@jarrodapplegate7077 microfiber cloth and polishing compound.
I mainly do only pieces that I produce and videos like this keep me from taking on a lot of custom work! I'd probably be a hard core alcoholic if I had to deal with s#$t like this.
Haha....we definitely have a beer or two...waiting for that beer sponsor
Less paint more air lol
lol i had a bad night....
What's your psi going into the unit?
5 bar, I was adjusting the air settings on the unit....apc clear is bad...real bad
@@RightNowPowderCoating I I just got some clear from Columbia. Gonna try it next week. So many bad clears out.
Do you typically spray your clears hot over the illusion?
@@mattola6 I don't ever spray hot but was getting fustrated
It looks like you have got a lot of fisheyes?
I haré when this shit happens, some times the angry close our minds, si i learned when things atento go great hang your gun get out the shop and start later
That's good advice!
Your shaking your gun to much mate powdercoating rims i found was in and out holding your gun not to much depending on your setting tho i think its to high to gwt that touch up
I smacked my gun like that (China clone I used to have)...it broke
Lol, that's no good
Keep Fonzing that gun, it'll smarten up eeehhhh. Jk love your vids
should have test the gun for a proper setup before in use as a profressional
yes, i should have, i did not, but should have.
His it worth the money in the end...? Bell+ sub+ and comment...👍👍
We charge enough, this was just a bad example, we usually can get a set done with 3 man hrs and charge no less than 125 per wheel.
@@RightNowPowderCoating
well thats a realy low price for all it cost to operate a business like yours...+ you guys are highly skilled and exposing your selves to harsh products... 👍
Your channel has a future Keep on coming 👍👍 Thanks guys 👍👍
The problem is the operator. You're too close.
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Shit gun buy a Wagner!
Nah it was the powder....these guns are by far the best.