HW News - Silent NVIDIA Launch, YTX Motherboard, ASUS ROG Ally 2, 7900 XT Price Drop
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Hardware news this week was busy: We're recapping the AMD 8600G & 8700G STAPM behaviors, the ASUS ROG Ally 2 promises, NVIDIA's silent RTX 3050 6GB launch, a YTX motherboard, and more.
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00:00 - News This Week
01:07 - Recap: AMD Changing APU Behaviors
06:52 - ASUS ROG Ally 2 Coming 2024
09:18 - NVIDIA RTX 3050 6GB Actually Launches
10:31 - AMD RX 7900 XT GPUs Drop in Price Again
12:49 - Intel's Bold AI Capability Claims
15:30 - Maxsun's Weird YTX Motherboard
18:01 - Microsoft Deprecating WordPad
20:19 - Layoffs & Game Cancellations
23:53 - Colorful Dragon-Themed Hardware
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Please review low-profile RAM sticks which can work with any CPU cooler. The best options are hard to pinpoint.
I dont see any RX 7900 XT price drop at all, rather increase. Cheapest Asus TUF Gaming Radeon RX 7900 XT OC Edition 20GB GDDR6 90YV0IV1-M0NA00 for 20415 CZK=817,25 EUR
Regarding MS' ABK layoffs- a popular CZcamsr that runs a law firm specializing in mergers and acquisitions claims the 1900 people laid off is right in line with industry M&A norms. Additionally, it's likely ABK delayed layoffs during 2023 in anticipation of the acquisition completing successfully.
I wonder when Intel gets to their Donkey Lake chips they will be powerful enough to carry the load.
There are a few YTX cases already. YTX started off from a collab with Bilibili creator known as DIY Ape. Xikii has a case that's built for a specific GPU, LTT even did a video on it. XTIA also has a version of the xproto made for YTX boards. It also seems like certain MATX cases are compatible with this design
I like how all 3 companies now have their own goon clip
Indeed.
Thanks Pat
@@EvocativeKitsune daddys here
@@afos88 only gamers will get that
[Pulls the curtain] Shwoosh!
I like the YTX form factor. Shuttle used to do something very similar size-wise with their early Shuttle motherboards. I think they called it rotated mATX.
I remember Shuttle! They had some cool systems.
I thought Shuttle used some kind of DTX mainboard?
@@SmokeMastaPthey did their own form factor and dtx
YTX? More like whYTX (wheezing)
@@kayburcky7146 I trust that pun was pre-groaned.
Thanks, Steve.
I'm a Chinese audience that really amazed at your good pronounciation of 新年快樂, and also how well informed you're about the image of dragon in traditional Chinese context.
Appreciate this channel and all you guys' effort.
The YTX form is basically mATX cut down, not ITX scaled up. They say it is cheaper to manufacture than mATX. Since most people buy matx just because of the price and do not fully utilize all pcie lanes, they decided to cut these board parts and use those pcie lanes to put more m2 port on the board.
YTX? More like WHY-TX, amiright?! 😅
Indeed. If I used this in my mATX case, it should fit the case fine, would be much less awkward for cable management around the GPU, and especially accessing the m.2 slot that requires GPU removal.
(Could also be solved by having a better laid out mATX board, but with this it's built into the design.)
@@broklond Can’t you read? They are cheaper and offer more m2 ports. That’s WHY.
@@JiajuChenCould also make a lot of sense as alternative to ITX for compact gaming builds. GPUs are long, so you typically end up with a lot of empty space next to the motherboard. Might as well use that for some extra expandability.
Yeah, in some cases you may have to move the PSU up slightly to put the MB behind it, but then you'd also have a decent amount of room for air coolers, or even a wider radiator.
@@ozzyp97Just bring back Mini DTX for cheap Mini ITX builds.
YTX seems cool. Having the extra space not hidden behind the gpu seems like it’ll be handy for easy storage upgrades and such.
Might be nice helping those of us with fat unsteady hands.
Seems smart becuse your GPU also cooks that m.2 slot
But will probably be hidden under PSU, I think some compatible cases will place the PSU mounting spot right there to minimize volume
The Sapphire Pulse 7900XT was $670 on Amazon last night, crazy good deal
Jesus, for me that thing is still 740
Dang wish I'd seen that, I plan on driving down to micro center today to pick one up for 720
You gotta be quick
I just tried posting THE SAME THING but youtube DELETED MY COMMENT!!!! WHY DO THEY KEEP DOING THIS TO ME?!?!?
I got one on Newegg yesterday for 729 for the hellhound version. Wish I would have seen $670 though that's a deal!
24:28 "the classic DOUBLE DRAGON video card" I laughed WAY too hard at this. So freaking funny
Thanks Steve
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6:52 I think it will be refresh, like the steam deck OLED. There is no new hardware to justify a "2", they'll fix the current problems and will give it maybe 7500MHz LP DDR5.
The biggest problem with the Ally is 7" is too small for Windows. If they can't give it at least an 8.4" display they shouldn't bother.
Hey! 7” is above average alright.@@rightwingsafetysquad9872
If it's end of the year could be a strix point product before supply gets out to consumers
8000 series is right around the corner I believe.
Still sucks for current Ally owners because of the sd card issue. Straight up evil to not at least say something about it. Doesnt affect me because SSD, but either a trade in program or discount for owning the first Ally. Idk, something. Cant imagine how fast id return the Ally if the Sd card port was fine and the internal m.2 slot would fry at some point. Not to mention everyone HATES the damn locked down XG port. Meanwhile everyone else can use their desktop gpus on their handhelds if they want to. Regardless if its slower, the barely faster doesnt help the alot more expensive trade off. Those 2 things sometimes make me stare at my Ally and feel like its inferior, even if i dont use those features. Paid for something i cant use or im not rich enough to use.
12:54 first time I actually spat my drink on the keyboard.
For the YTX size the Cooler Master NR200 should be somewhat of a fit if the PSU is front-mounted. Not sure about the rear-side connector clearance though, especially the EPS connector. Rest of the connectors seem to overhang the motherboard tray.
Thanks Steve!
YTX might be good for open ITX tower cases like the XTIA cases.
Steve at GamersNexus: **desk**top, not **lap**top
Gaming laptop manufacturers: "We put a desktop chip in a laptop."
Laptop with desking performance ;)
We put a chipped top on a top desk
Dell did that with a Pentium 3. Someone else did it with an original Pentium. Later, VoodooPC would put desktop Athlon 64 chips in their laptops.
No lie I would like to see them temp probe / acoustic test the Framework 16 with the GPU slotted in. I know they don’t do laptops, but dude like are gaming laptops finally back?
Clevo put even HEDT sockets in laptops in the Ivy Bridge era alongside their desktop sockets, they did LGA1151 after Intel stopped doing mobile PGA sockets with Haswell, their final one was the X170SM with 11900K. Got a 9900K in P870DM3 right here that pulls up to 170W, the fact its still working fine 7 years on is why I havent really bothered upgrading
These days it still kinda continues, but they're soldered, Dragon Range 7945HX3D is the same dies and packaging as 7950HX3D, and 13900HX is the same 8P+16E core silicon as 13900K, just with lower power limits
Theyre all far too heavy to put on your lap though... some desktops are probably lighter ....
Thanks, Steve!
The lian li o11 mini and air mini would be good fits for the ytx motherboard. They have the right mounting holes and the shorter vertical height of the motherboard would allow the use of the itx back panel and better water-cooling options
The old school Shuttle prebuild had a motherboard formfactor similar to the Maxsun ytx.
I feel like the first case that comes to mind when I see this YTX board (apart from the rear-mounted I/O connections) is the NZXT H210. I feel like if they had just left the connectors on the "traditional" side of the board then you would have a much better chance of fitting it into cases, especially smaller dual-chamber ones like the DIYPC-Q3-ARGB (highly recommend checking out that case by the way. Basically a $50 O11 Dynamic that's mATX but fits an ATX PSU in the rear).
The Cooler Master NR200 could fit the motheboard and support backside connectors with the PSU cage mounted on the front
Commenting to bring this up. The v1 NR200, with modest modifications on the back panel, COULD fit YTX. but cooler master is changing it to v2 and will absolutely not be compatible.
@@MauricioRPP1 I prefer V1 honestly, affordable and good compatibility to me the new one is a downgrade :(
Yeah, that overall layout is the ideal one for this form factor. Another option would be a tower layout, with the motherboard rotated 90° and the GPU vertical without the need of a riser cable. The back IO would end up at the bottom of the case.
My full ATX is always nestled in my lap during gaming, thanyouverymuch
That's quite the specific fetish.
😅
YTX Motherboard in an standard ATX case would be interesting for a custom loop since the unused motherboard tray space would be a great spot for a distro-plate.
really nice news coverage, thanks 🙂
yerah, GPUs are in Germany above MSRP because people don't factor in the 19% VAT. 999$ USD translates to around 1100€ including VAT and 927€ w/o VAT, depending on state of currency exchange that is
There are a few AIB cards listed at around 1100€, which is technically lower than Nvidia's MSRP. People in Germany like to complain about the perceived price differences, but always forget that the $ price excludes sales tax.
Which tax, as far as I know, is in nearly all cases lower than average VAT in average EU country. We in Poland have it at 23%.
Americans see the price without tax. Tax is added when you actually buy
@@recoilpaintball I really don't care because 1100 isn't really cheaper than the old 4080 it's still too expensive.
I got my 7900XTX a couple months for 920, so I say super meh. I would have loved to have the 4080 or the Super but that price comparison just isn't worth it for me.
I'd rather buy the 4090 for 1700 instead.
Why would people factor in price specifically for Germany if you're not from there?
The YTX motherboard reminds me of the defunct BTX form factor used by a few companies in the early 2000s.
That little intro had me rolling.
STAP right there CPU scuM, nobody breaks the power limit on my watch. I'm confiscating your performance. Now pay your fine, or it's off to throttling.
15:58 Turn the M.2 slots 90° for shorter traces. Then you can fit the one from the bottom too. And an extra E- key one.
Put connectors other side too, maybe flat, twist 90°.
Give me at least 1 second pcie slot.
I agree with you, although if mATX is still around those may still be a viable option for you.
That 3050 6gb power requirement got me interested but its just barely cheaper than the standard 3050 with just 80% of the performance, should have been called the 3040.
barely? is almost 70 dollars cheaper, and you know the price will fall for that gpu soon
It's embarrassing. The RX 480 8 GB offered the same performance and was sold at the same price 7 years ago.
At least it's finally replacing the GTX1650 which was somehow still in production up until now.
1) It's not 70 dollars cheaper, 3050 8gb easily falls under 200, 180 on a good day. A 130 usd 3050 6gb would have been a great deal tho.
2) 480? Maybe closer to a 590. Your point still stands. 😁
3) I got a 1650 too, it's on par with current gen igpus. Lol. Unfortunately we will still see them long after the 3000 series sell out.
Agreed. I like the idea of making 75W GPUs. Nvidia needs to stop messing around with the naming. 3040 or even 3050LP is much better.
different form factors are always interesting.
There is a nice "Thanks, Steve" line in Phantom Liberty
@17:20 that form factor is a perfect match for cases like the Krux Naos/Intertech IM1/Nox Xtreme (it comes with different brandings) or the SSUPD Meshroom D - i.e. cases that are designed to just barely fit a micro-ATX board (in case of the SSUPD you even need an extension base to actually with the full height).
I have the IM1 here with an mATX board and a full-size ATX PSU, and it's really tight for intake fans at the bottom (they interfere with the FP connectors at the edge of the mainboard) - YTX would really be _perfect_ in this case.
Only problem is that SFF cases generally don't have room for connectors on the back of the board (that would be kinda counter-productive to being small...). So to be actually useful they'd need to use a more traditional connector placement on the front.
"We were lost for 'word' " I spat out some coffee, well done :)
As someone who is using their desktop as a seat cause Steve said gaming chairs are bad... Do I have to STAPM now?
Only if the exhaust touches your ass and you're not wearing pants since it's Skin Temperature Adjustable Power Management, not pants temperature.
the YTX board is almost perfect, it just needs to rotate the dimm slots to the top of the board and move the power delivery closer to the 24 pin connector where the dimm slots used to be
For the YTX board 1 case that comes to my mind is Darkflash DLM24. It's MATX so there'll be left over space in the bottom BUT it does support vertical GPU mounting so it can cover it
Fun fact: naming Clippy was a question on a TV gameshow, in the episode I was on the show. Aussies will know it - Hard Quiz.
I know, shutup, it's my only claim to fame.
Did you get the big brass mug?
@@thisnametaken3735 Highest score to not get the mug, unfortunately (and one question away from the outright points record). I did lose out to a remarkable Hard Quizer, though. I only answered one question incorrectly for the entire show, but it was enough!
19:35-19:50 had me actually LOLing 😂
Thanks Steve, have a great day.
2:05 "We do this special embrace and that is how a baby LLM is made" :p
GN Hw news show are slowly but steadily becoming comedy show with all of these additions from various tech CEOs 😂😂😂
新年快乐 to you too, Steve!
"...at a loss for word" 🤣
Not fair I use wordpad all the time ;(
I obviously don't have any actual numbers for you, but the 4080 Supers that were priced at or close to the MSRP (4999PLN) here in Poland sold out everywhere in just a couple of days. All gone. It could be that this is because the e-tailers ordered limited stock, but it could very well be because people are buying them as soon as they pop up. Anything that is priced far above the MSRP has plenty of stock though. No one seems to be buying those models, and I'm not surprised, they're crazy expensive for what they offer.
In Germany the cheapest card is around 1110€
@@Vanadium So that's about the same, depending on exchange rate. Right now, 4999 PLN equates to €1151. We do have higher VAT than Germany though. IIRC German VAT is 19%, ours is 23%.
@@macktheinterloper : soooo, +23% VAT tax, +~40% income tax, +~25% customs import tax ... Feel like slave yet? .. fight back you Polish and Germans against slavery, damn it. Respect from Serbia
@@nikolaforzane2285 Yeah I really hate my universal healthcare, subsidised public transport, free education and guaranteed pension and benefits.
The dragon gear looks cool. Wish there was a black and gold option. Seems like something I might pick up after a couple of years when the prices tank.
Love that white and gold combo!
That YTX board looks like a great idea.
Notepad has rich text features if you print on the same piece of paper repeatedly.
16:12 OR Purposely designed for some of these small form factor cases weve seen as of late. Its almost an identical shape. Like the Fractal Terra, or the "MESHROOM" or Hyte. I can see something like this fitting those very well.
YTX would be interesting in terms of GPU cooling, since theres now more clearance on the motherboard side of graphics card for air to move out and potentially add some case cut outs for better case ventilation over all.
YTX motherboard actually utilizes space better imho, and more M.2 slots are better for general use.
More PCIe is better for general use. I can buy a PCIe card that has M.2 slots if I need more M.2 slots. But if I have a lot of M.2 slots and need to install a PCIe card, I'm screwed.
Normalize motherboards with only one M.2 slot and a full complement of PCIe slots again.
@@mjc0961I agree, but that won't happen. It's easier for people to just install m.2s directly
@@mjc0961you do you. I dont want to get a pcie card just to use another m2, especially with the GPU beeing in the way
Can't wait to double-click a .txt file and have Microsoft conveniently redirect me to a 365 subscription.
I'm surprised we are still graced with a free calculator!
I love the memeing aspect of GN, it's fun to watch. Thanks Steve! YTX looks interesting to me, since I think the price hike from (m)ATX to ITX has become quite drastic in the latest generation. Backside connectors may get tricky in sandwich design ITX cases...
4080 Super prices are actually around MSRP here in Europe
The gpu market is starting to remind me of old school car audio now where people say things like dollar per watt
Maxsun board is excellent. And they are using the rear connections. Very cool. This is all market movement to figure out how to downsize from the ancient sizing requirements for PC components. The future is small. Lets goooo
_Thanks, Steve_
How appropriate that the word for dragon in Chinese is "Loong" as Chinese dragons are loooooooong.🐉😁
Also, it's the Wood Dragon year. Kinda disappointed we aren't getting some long Wood Dragon GPUs.
@@dragoon0anime It also would make sense with the wood panel cases out now.🤣
Papa's here
STEVE! you outdid yourself at 19:07 had me CACKLING!!
Funny how people now yearn for nvidia to release new GPUs to make AMD drop prices
It's still bizzare to me stap wasnt the first thing disabled
It probably was... and that's the problem.
@@SpoonHurler so your telling me the b$&@+ came back the very next day?
I have a few ITX cases where that YTX board could fit (mostly NAS cases, where the drive cage is above the motherboard), if the back side connectors were not there. All are through-hole, so it would not be hard to flip them around with a soldering iron. Of they could just send the connectors unsoldered.
I rocked a Palit passively cooled 1050Ti for quite some time, it was a rock solid card. Low power, zero noise, I wish there were more products like it.
Irritates me that they called it YTX but it extends along the X axis more than a regular ATX
Calling it XTX wouldn't work - there's a global shortage of 'X's.
I think they are going for the inverse meaning?
YTX reduce the Y and increase the X
XTX reduce the X and increase the Y
@@dragoon0anime Good point! They buy your Ys and pay in Xs. Sounds like a sweet deal
That YTX form factor makes a lot of sense, but should have increased memory slots to 4. Currently it's strictly worse than MATX with the same compatibility.
It does. The 4th one at the back.
@@hyperus_au no it isn't I went back to check 😂
@@ulamss5 It is right there! By the not too top right corner, sitting in between the orange line of mystery and the top right mounting screw of the cpu slot back plate@16:19~
*boost the memory to 8000+ MHz through XMP. Gigabyte has a B760m that is advertised capable of such, but Gigabyte is much less popular in China comapring to other countries. It's also very handy for the mobo to support 22110 form factor for m.2 slot, and the SFF-8654 4i port natively, you could utilize hard drives stripped away from retired(or mint sometimes) enterprise server setups straight away. geez didn't realize u2b has word count limit per reply until now...
The Streacom DA6 open case might be able to hold it since its easy to customized.
Maxsun YTX would be great in any ATX case, vertical GPU mounting, except not up against the glass, you could mount it back against the motherboard tray.
DVI port is far from dead. VGA ports are still being used in German schools...
German schools are hardly anything to bother about. They used 286 CPUs and windows 3.1 til 2010.
19:50 - Also "Briefcase", RIP, that sync feature was useful--I used a lot of laptops with dead batteries keeping data in sync was harder without that free "early" Microsoft OneDrive.
Thanks, Steve.
The deskmeet x600 that is launching in march has a YTX motherboard and the case is designed specifically for that board.
I think I might have the perfect YTX case. I have a Phanteks Enthoo 719. It's can be configured for a 2 pc setup. As for the secondary MB placement, it long enough to be mounted with a few drill holes for extra mount and cables.
I feel like that ytx board is perfect for the mini itx shoebox pcs that have full length pci slots. But! They don't have backside connection cutouts standard.
26:34 the color scheme makes me nostalgic for some reason. I think i had bakugan or something that looked like this
The light element Bakugan. I remember :-)
@@greatwavefan397 goated
011 mini air would fit that YTX perfectly, and would look somewhat normal with the dropped down board mounting setup
THX Steve.
YTX seems like a fairly practical form factor -- Mini-ITX width and ATX/mATX depth. Seems like it should work in most mATX/ITX cases if the MB tray is set up for good airflow for Mini-ITX.
The Sama im01 would prabably be a good fit for the ytx board. It's barely bigger than a cooler master nr200 and can support micro atx boards.
I spotted those MAXSUN boards, too ... and (frankly) they should fit in MANY ITX cases ... I'm specifically looking at the passive cases ... this is for good reason, though ... because they give themselves more space for NVME (potentially) ... meaning that you can *_potentially_* build an NVME based NAS in a silent case and still have a slot free to improve connectivity / amount of drives.
The SSUPD Meshroom S itx case would definitely fit that YTX board if you forgo front mounted cooler/fans and have a GPU slim enough like a 4070 or maybe a 7800xt to fit a cooler side by side on the backside of the case or a do a smaller aircooled option. Honestly, would be pretty sweet. The Meshroom is also one of the only itx cases that can also fit a fullsize atx in the same configuration.
Not sure, but I think the YTX mobo will work in the FormD T1 (sandwich, with the PSU mounted flush up against the side panel).
Thanks for news.
15:22 ...accidentally [or deliberately!]
Looking at you, Altman!
Dam that intro 😂 making sure all the big guys think about you 😁
YTX will be a fitting replacement to my Z390 ITX board in my dual rig setup thats in a corsair 1000D case. Wont be upgrading my 3960X Threadripper just yet as it still pays the bills just fine. The main problem with new boards I find is clearance ABOVE the 1st PCIE slot. I run active backplates on my cards and have to use extension cables to fit them in due to poor clearance.
The Maxsun YTX board might work with the Sama IM01 Pro case, which may be worth looking into.
For the maxsun motherboard layout, for me if you use a vertical mounted gpu card, most of the motherboard will still be accessible without having to remove the gpu, for example for adding a nvme, it's usually a pain with standard layout to access the drive part if you have a big GPU or a vertically mounted one.
YTX seems to fit good into ssupds meshroom/meshlishous, right now you have the choice of running itx with atx psu and front radiator or AtX/mATX with sfx psu and no rad, YTX would make sure that you can have a full ATX PSu with the standard riser cable that is send with the case
Just a heads up about those blue towels, they will run color if you soak them with alcohol or chemicals. White ones are still most legit, even if the blue is pretty.
Can't say I've missed the extra pcie slots after moving from ATX to ITX. The extra m.2 slots would appreciated though.
Maxsun is basically bringing back "shuttle" motherboards with flipped connectors. I can see this board working in a micro atx case, with a monster 3.5 slot card installed.
The dragon edition stuff looks neat. White and gold seems like it could make for a fun looking build. I like it when companies do stuff like this
I am fairly happy that you cover a different niche of information than most of the other Techtubers.
I can comfortably say that GN is THE channel to watch for all PC tech, very informative and awesome reviews that really gives you better insight on whether a product is worth it or not. Keep it up GN team, you are killing it!
Nice Double Dragon reference. The Loong Dragon xD
I bet that YTX board would be a good fit in my CaseLabs Mercury S3
Great the report of the week reference! 😄
I guess that YTX board could be used for a retro-sleeper build in one of those horizontal desktop cases?