john henry bonham was a spontaneous powerful diverse drummer listen to many led zeppelin bootlegs and you can see how outstanding he was and why led zeppelin couldn.t continue without him
Agreed. I was going to comment "Who cares what other drummers think?" I would be interested in Neil Peart's opinion though. I'm sure John was a hugh influence.
@@leslieperkins2722Ginger Baker needs to put others down, to boost his own ego, that alone makes Bonham a million times better. Bonham didn’t need to put others down, just like Page didn’t either. If you need to toot your own horn, you have nothing to toot about.
Please gimme a break, couldn’t swing? Just listen to the raw drum track on Whole Lotta Love. Sounds like a freight train at a steady 65 MPH, amazing groove. Or no quarter, great groove. Bonzo over baker any day!💥
Well, you can’t dance to Zeppelin. And in that respect he doesn’t swing. Unlike his hero Krupa. For that matter for rock including the Roll, it’s Charlie Watts, triplets be damned. BTW I saw the Stones up close in ‘66 and everyone was shaking their ass. I saw Zep up close 3 years later and everyone was banging their heads. Nothing wrong with that, in fact Z was phenomenal, but they didn’t swing.
Ginger Baker was a very good drummer but he was an arrogant Fu**, he was more technical than John Bonham, but ginger Baker couldn’t replace John Bonham in Led zeppelin, for me John Bonham was the best.
john bonham patril za svojho zivota medzi najlepsich drummerov na tomto svete,bol bubenikom v najslavnejsej rockovej skupine 70 rokov,a ktory zomrel tragicky prilis mladi,mal len 32 rokov,ale stacilo aby sa jeho meno zapisalo do nesmrtelnej historie,velikanov rockovej hudby.
Played the drums for years. Massive fan of Bonham, Peart, Moon, Copeland, Cobham, Gadd, and dozens of others. To be honest, Baker was never on my radar - nor on the radar of other drummers I know.
"LOL" at Ginger Baker. Today, you can buy a Ludwig 'John Bonham" Vistalite kit and a Paiste "John Bonham" cymbal pack. Who makes one for Baker? Who would want one? Dude is all kinds of envious.
You do know that Ginger Baker’s roots are in Jazz and not rock, despite being a member of Cream. So comparing rock drummers to Jazz drummers is pointless. The techniques are different. Jack Bruce always stated that Cream was essentially a Jazz band, Most of these iconic drummers of the time will cite Buddy Rich as the best drummer.
@@colinstock325Then ignorant people should stop posting that fat ass bonham is the greatest drummer ever. Not even top ten. Tony Williams or Billy Cobham were always superior!
Baker brilliantly but hates everyone. Richard’s jealous that zeppelin soared past them. Never got the Stones although they are great anyone listen to a Richard’s solo nothing special
On the how the west was won compilation which is amazing theres a two minute thing and its John Henry doing a soundcheck and he sits down, no warmup and just does this 30 second long blitz not a solo but just this unbelievable assault on the drums, then gets up and walks off like its nothing. Lots of unbelievable drummers but seriously. Miss that dude.
Bill Ward of Black Sabbath spoke very highly of John. Bill called John a true musician and referred to himself as more of a 'reactionary drummer'. I think Bill felt that John was better than him but it never stopped Ward from achieving greatness. In much the same way that Bill was Black Sabbath, John was Led Zeppelin and their music must be taken in that context.🎼🥁🎹
There is & will always be, one Bonzo. There was no Zeppelin, after Johns passing. Other pretentious drummers can say what they want, it's just opinion. They're great, in their own right. But, when you start comparing styles & unique individuality , we are all different. The combination of funky solid groove beats & powerful, memorable fills, there is only one. John Henry Bonham will always be my favorite drummer. Just one mans opinion.
Ginger took himself and drumming way too serious. John showed the world that having fun playing drums is the most important aspect of playing. I wish this had never has happened. Very few drummers bring me to tears and John is one of them, Gavin Harrison being the second.
Baker was en ego- centric and jealous dude. As Page himself said / to paraphrase ‘ I don’t get what Ginger was saying. John was all about swing’ Bonham is all about swing and groove. GOAT
@@skyemoz6559 Yeah, 'cuz Bonham was better than Neil Peart!! Spare us, kid. Most of us have heard thousands of albums, and John Bonham was a pounder who kept good time, nothing more.
@@johnhoran9840 I love Rush but Neil was kinda one dimensional. Actually 58 bud. Seen Rush a few times. Neil really couldnt ad lib and definitely had problem doing anything jazz related. Even Neil said that. He was a compositional drummer.
@@skyemoz6559 I used Neil as one example, my favorite drummer is actually Bill Bruford. I don't dislike Zeppelin, but there are better heavy rock drummers from the classic era.
Carmine Appice has spent three decades taking credit for every single lick, opportunity and bit of success Bonham ever had. The guy is an insufferable humble-bragging dullard.
To me,,Bonham isn't the best rock drummer in the world,however he's definitely in my top five.His use of only one bass drum to do the fills he does,that normally require two bass drums or one bass drum with a double pedal,is likely one of his most notable assets.
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John never drank before a concert. Probably 1 of the few that abstained before.
Bonham wasn't a guy to mess with. Journalists who were allowed backstage at Zeppelin concerts were told not to talk to the band members unless the band members talk first. They were also told, for their own personal safety, to never make eye contact with John Bonham
was Ginger Baker serious?? he couldn't have been. I've watched both of them many times and I have never ever seen Ginger Baker perform like Bonzo! not even close and Ginger was great! but Bonzo was on another planet and he wouldn't have cared what anyone said about him but I truly believe Ginger was jealous of Bonzo. I'm not saying Bonzo is the greatest drummer of all time that's up to you to decide for yourself but he was one of them that's for sure
I like Ginger Baker but C'mon, his evaluation of other drummers are not to be taken seriously. Bonham had the primal rhythm that you can't teach. Keith Moon was as raw and intuitive as they come. But the winner is John "BONZO" Bonham hands down.
If enough people THINK he is a god of drumming, then that’s good enough. More importantly it’s not how technically good you are but you play what people want to hear or play themselves.
Ginger has always been a pompous guy. John could rock with the best of them. Yes he was heavy handed but that’s what the music called for. His shuffles were great and we all know shuffles are one of the hardest techniques to master on the drums.
The overwhelming amount of drummers you talk to will say Bonham was a huge influence on their playing or desire to play. far less will say Ginger. Facts.
They were both huge influences on me and both shinned in different ways. Ginger was an angry nutter though and I’ve never understood his criticism of Bonham. Keith Richard’s on the other hand is just a jealous and unremarkable musician in my opinion.
Ginger is spot on. Bonham was a plenty good rockin tonight pub drummer who got lucky when he landed the Zep gig, without them he would have worked Butlins/cruise ships. It’s like me saying McCartney was a great bass player, popular yes, but great? mmmmm
@@CarloTurner-vl7rl if I was jimmy page I would have chosen Bonham as drummer because he was perfect for that band, that sound, my point is that he was limited technically. Do you think he spent a lot of time on rudiments, on theory? I dont. If he wasn’t in Zeppelin you would never have heard of him purely because of his drumming.
john henry bonham was a spontaneous powerful diverse drummer listen to many led zeppelin bootlegs and you can see how outstanding he was and why led zeppelin couldn.t continue without him
If John were alive he wouldn’t care what other drummers said about him.
Agreed. I was going to comment "Who cares what other drummers think?" I would be interested in Neil Peart's opinion though. I'm sure John was a hugh influence.
@@wassupnomesayin Ginger Baker from Cream is another. I love a lot of other bands but no one compares to John Bonham as a drummer.
@@leslieperkins2722Ginger Baker needs to put others down, to boost his own ego, that alone makes Bonham a million times better. Bonham didn’t need to put others down, just like Page didn’t either. If you need to toot your own horn, you have nothing to toot about.
Because he'd be too pissed to care.[drunk.]
Ginger Baker’s jealousy toward his peers was a pathetic weakness. Bonham played circles around that asshole.
Please gimme a break, couldn’t swing? Just listen to the raw drum track on Whole Lotta Love. Sounds like a freight train at a steady 65 MPH, amazing groove. Or no quarter, great groove. Bonzo over baker any day!💥
Baker really does come off as an arrogant jerk. He should have been gracious and just said that John was a great musician.😢
Well, you can’t dance to Zeppelin. And in that respect he doesn’t swing. Unlike his hero Krupa. For that matter for rock including the Roll, it’s Charlie Watts, triplets be damned. BTW I saw the Stones up close in ‘66 and everyone was shaking their ass. I saw Zep up close 3 years later and everyone was banging their heads. Nothing wrong with that, in fact Z was phenomenal, but they didn’t swing.
Best drummer in the world.
Ginger Baker was a very good drummer but he was an arrogant Fu**, he was more technical than John Bonham, but ginger Baker couldn’t replace John Bonham in Led zeppelin, for me John Bonham was the best.
john bonham patril za svojho zivota medzi najlepsich drummerov na tomto svete,bol bubenikom v najslavnejsej rockovej skupine 70 rokov,a ktory zomrel tragicky prilis mladi,mal len 32 rokov,ale stacilo aby sa jeho meno zapisalo do nesmrtelnej historie,velikanov rockovej hudby.
Awesomeness
Father of rock drumming. That would be Ringo Starr.
John Bonham was a heavy swinger. My favourite.
Moby Dick How The West Was Won live is the Bonham's best ever recorded drum solo.
Without Carmine Appice there is no JB !!!
Hey there, Carmine!
Played the drums for years. Massive fan of Bonham, Peart, Moon, Copeland, Cobham, Gadd, and dozens of others. To be honest, Baker was never on my radar - nor on the radar of other drummers I know.
"LOL" at Ginger Baker. Today, you can buy a Ludwig 'John Bonham" Vistalite kit and a Paiste "John Bonham" cymbal pack. Who makes one for Baker? Who would want one? Dude is all kinds of envious.
They're both deceased👌
You do know that Ginger Baker’s roots are in Jazz and not rock, despite being a member of Cream. So comparing rock drummers to Jazz drummers is pointless. The techniques are different. Jack Bruce always stated that Cream was essentially a Jazz band, Most of these iconic drummers of the time will cite Buddy Rich as the best drummer.
Buddy Rich wouldn’t makea wort on a fleas ass compared to the drummers of today
@@colinstock325Then ignorant people should stop posting that fat ass bonham is the greatest drummer ever. Not even top ten. Tony Williams or Billy Cobham were always superior!
Father? Didn’t even come onto the global scene till January ‘69. Maybe DJ Fontana from ‘54 or Watts from ‘62.
Baker brilliantly but hates everyone. Richard’s jealous that zeppelin soared past them. Never got the Stones although they are great anyone listen to a Richard’s solo nothing special
Hell no! The father Mr.backbeat EARL PALMER!!!!!!!!!
Please Keith Please
I’m 54 & music is my life.
If I had to pick one album to have on a desert island, I’d take “Houses of the Holy” by Led Zeppelin.
Tell us what you really think Ginger. As far as swing in Rock
goes Phil Rudd from AC/DC has
it. It’s simple but not easy.
You get it ! Thats a great example.
Phil couldn't swing balls
On the how the west was won compilation which is amazing theres a two minute thing and its John Henry doing a soundcheck and he sits down, no warmup and just does this 30 second long blitz not a solo but just this unbelievable assault on the drums, then gets up and walks off like its nothing. Lots of unbelievable drummers but seriously. Miss that dude.
I thought the father was Ian Paice.
Bill Ward of Black Sabbath spoke very highly of John. Bill called John a true musician and referred to himself as more of a 'reactionary drummer'. I think Bill felt that John was better than him but it never stopped Ward from achieving greatness. In much the same way that Bill was Black Sabbath, John was Led Zeppelin and their music must be taken in that context.🎼🥁🎹
There is & will always be, one Bonzo. There was no Zeppelin, after Johns passing. Other pretentious drummers can say what they want, it's just opinion. They're great, in their own right. But, when you start comparing styles & unique individuality , we are all different. The combination of funky solid groove beats & powerful, memorable fills, there is only one. John Henry Bonham will always be my favorite drummer. Just one mans opinion.
He was the best British rock drummer closely followed by Mick Tucker.
Ginger took himself and drumming way too serious. John showed the world that having fun playing drums is the most important aspect of playing. I wish this had never has happened. Very few drummers bring me to tears and John is one of them, Gavin Harrison being the second.
Baker was en ego- centric and jealous dude.
As Page himself said / to paraphrase ‘ I don’t get what Ginger was saying. John was all about swing’
Bonham is all about swing and groove. GOAT
What swing?
Just think... only IF we were all more intelligent then we’d all like Ginger Baker more than we like Bonham.
Ginger Baker and Keith Moon both came along several years earlier and both were better.
Give me a break 🫣
@@skyemoz6559 Yeah, 'cuz Bonham was better than Neil Peart!! Spare us, kid. Most of us have heard thousands of albums, and John Bonham was a pounder who kept good time, nothing more.
@@johnhoran9840 I love Rush but Neil was kinda one dimensional. Actually 58 bud. Seen Rush a few times. Neil really couldnt ad lib and definitely had problem doing anything jazz related. Even Neil said that. He was a compositional drummer.
@@skyemoz6559 I used Neil as one example, my favorite drummer is actually Bill Bruford. I don't dislike Zeppelin, but there are better heavy rock drummers from the classic era.
Carmine Appice has spent three decades taking credit for every single lick, opportunity and bit of success Bonham ever had. The guy is an insufferable humble-bragging dullard.
To me,,Bonham isn't the best rock drummer in the world,however he's definitely in my top five.His use of only one bass drum to do the fills he does,that normally require two bass drums or one bass drum with a double pedal,is likely one of his most notable assets.
John never drank before a concert. Probably 1 of the few that abstained before.
Lol ! You must be senile
John Henry Bonham!!!
Keith Moon the first!
No lars
Ginger Baker couldn't hold Bonzo's jock.......
it's not important what other Drummers think of John Bonham what is important is what his millions of fans think
I love you Ginger Baker, but sadly, Bonham was a better drummer than you.
RIP Ginger
RIP Bonzo
Ginger couldn’t carry Bonzo’s gear
Bonham wasn't a guy to mess with. Journalists who were allowed backstage at Zeppelin concerts were told not to talk to the band members unless the band members talk first. They were also told, for their own personal safety, to never make eye contact with John Bonham
Great !!
was Ginger Baker serious?? he couldn't have been. I've watched both of them many times and I have never ever seen Ginger Baker perform like Bonzo! not even close and Ginger was great! but Bonzo was on another planet and he wouldn't have cared what anyone said about him but I truly believe Ginger was jealous of Bonzo. I'm not saying Bonzo is the greatest drummer of all time that's up to you to decide for yourself but he was one of them that's for sure
I like Ginger Baker but C'mon, his evaluation of other drummers are not to be taken seriously. Bonham had the primal rhythm that you can't teach. Keith Moon was as raw and intuitive as they come. But the winner is John "BONZO" Bonham hands down.
This myth that JB is the god of drumming has to stop….its a myth that has over grown his actual gifts .
Ginger ?? 🚬 👨🏻🦰???
Thought you were dead.
GO AWAY JEEN-JAH
If enough people THINK he is a god of drumming, then that’s good enough. More importantly it’s not how technically good you are but you play what people want to hear or play themselves.
That purely subjective
talking out your back side JB was way up there with the best of them
HUH!🤔
Eric Clapton defending Ginger Pubes ??? The same Eric Claptrap who walked out of a Jimi Hendrix Gig bcos he felt Inferior ??? .
He was a BEAST
Best band ever
Imagine the potential he would've had if alcoholism didn't destroy his life ?
Ginger has always been a pompous guy. John could rock with the best of them. Yes he was heavy handed but that’s what the music called for. His shuffles were great and we all know shuffles are one of the hardest techniques to master on the drums.
The overwhelming amount of drummers you talk to will say Bonham was a huge influence on their playing or desire to play. far less will say Ginger. Facts.
They were both huge influences on me and both shinned in different ways. Ginger was an angry nutter though and I’ve never understood his criticism of Bonham. Keith Richard’s on the other hand is just a jealous and unremarkable musician in my opinion.
@@jons3808never understood? It's pure impotent jealousy
I always 0:02 figured Ginger didn’t have anything to be jealous about. But he was a cantankerous dude so I guess it’s to be expected
Amen 🙏
1:10 ... Carmine A PIECE??? So is this more AI generated bullcr@p instead of narration by an actual human???....
Carmine Hairpiece 😂
Ginger is spot on. Bonham was a plenty good rockin tonight pub drummer who got lucky when he landed the Zep gig, without them he would have worked Butlins/cruise ships. It’s like me saying McCartney was a great bass player, popular yes, but great? mmmmm
Oh dear oh dear
Good grief!
TiT .
Am i gonna take Jimmy Pages opinion over your’s ? Mmmm 🤔
@@CarloTurner-vl7rl if I was jimmy page I would have chosen Bonham as drummer because he was perfect for that band, that sound, my point is that he was limited technically. Do you think he spent a lot of time on rudiments, on theory? I dont. If he wasn’t in Zeppelin you would never have heard of him purely because of his drumming.
Ginger is the most overrated drummer. I think he is terrible. Ian paice is a great drummer
You with your bizarre Chaplin picture have definitely GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME!!...Hope you like surprises you utter 🛎🔚