BEST MOD EVER for Talaria and Surron! // EXT Suspension!
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2023
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In this video we show you how crazy good EXT suspension is! Ext suspension is the best thing you can do to improve your bike.
If we could go back to the beginning it would definitely be one of the first upgrades we would do.
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For all of you out there that have ridden motorcycles most of your life like my self, all I can tell you is the (small) E-bikes are an absolute blast, cruising around in all most silence, they doesn’t make people as mad, with modified power you can go just about anywhere you want , I’m sure there’s a lot of doubters out there, some of the trails these guys are riding are extremely steep very difficult rides, to take a full size motorcycle on some of these rides Would be miserable! The new forks and rear shock are a game changer, suspension before power, if you want to track ride most of the time stick with your motorcycle, if you want to go exploring on single tracks, it might surprise you how fun they are! Yes they cost to much, but it’s a great hobby! Great video guys!
i don’t even feel like they cost very much really:/ i can get a 10+ yr old dirtbike that i have to maintain and fuel constantly, or i can get one of these and learn for a year or even longer before i’m at the level where i need any expensive upgrades besides brakes, pegs, and tires
Installed my EXT Arma MX shock Today!! The proof really is in the pudding. Amazing suspension and nothing can compare. My video coming out in the next week if anyone wants to see the same on a Surron!
4:09 That view!
Dang Im Jelly lol.. and Yes I would Love to see a 21 18 vs 19 16 Video
a wheel size comparison would be sick!
Always excited for a TalariaBoys video! Good job guys
Great video! I miss views of Eden!! I live on Eden Street, but in Texas now! Utah is so beautiful!!
Gentlemen, thank you for these videos. They are outstanding. I’m close to buying a Talaria R and love the EXT suspension you have put front and rear on your bikes. I’m a little concerned about the 160+ lbs weight on the R. I see the Eride Pro S (yes, the S, not the SS) weighs in at 128. That 30 lb difference would be helpful for this 82-year-old body. Will the EXT suspension fit on the eRide Pro S? Thank you. Appreciate your that’s on this.
Stephen Denlinger
Southern AZ
Hey Stephen! thanks for watching! Yes the EXT suspension will fit perfectly on the E-ride pro S and your absolutely right that the 30lb weight difference will make a big difference for you at your age. That's awesome that you are still interested in getting out riding!
Hi I’m just wondering could you do a video on what tools I will need to maintain and do general stuff on my talaria because I’m finding it hard what tools I need 🙌🏽❤️💯
Really awesome video! Sorry if I missed it in the video, but would you say this is a big step up from the Talaria OEM fork? I know it's a big improvement over the other stock variants, but curious if it's step change over the OEM version.
Its absolutely a huge improvement over that Talaria factory fork, that part in the video where Lance and Reed try Alex's bike explains it all, Alex's bike has that fork and its amazing how much of a difference it is. In all reality that Factory fork is still a great fork but its nothing compared to the Ferro.
hey guys love the video! I feel like you guys have the best video the ext suspension I've seen! I have probably seen this video 4-5 times while I save up to get this for my Surron! on my last watch I noticed Lance's headlight , I would really love to get something like this on my Surron! is there anywhere online where I could find it?
Glad you enjoyed the video! Let us know when your ready for that suspension! We can get you setup, Lance's light is a 5 inch light pod strait from China that he custom wired in and made a custom bracket for, it works really well but was a lot of work to get setup.tbelectricmoto.com/products/ext-ferro-e-mx-fork-surron-talaria-eride-pro?_pos=2&_psq=ext&_ss=e&_v=1.0
The EXT front fork is an absolute commitment. Every time I ride a trail or jump I realize my Talaria's Fast Ace forks are junk.
Its amazing! Thanks for watching
Ok this is the build,zx12 and my favorite gs1100 gl Suzuki rocks for racing
Does Lances bike (you others as well?) have a thumb activated regen brake? How powerful can you make that? I currently have a Qulbix e-moto and I think my favorite feature of it is the thumb brake. I barely use my other brakes because it's so powerful, and the thought that I'm not wearing out my actual brakes makes doing crazy accelerations and quick stops so much more relaxing. I haven't ridden a Sur Ron or Talaria yet, but for me the thought of an automatic regen based on throttle control just doesn't sound like a good fit.
Yes we each have a thumb regen brake built in from upgrading to the ebmx x-9000 controller. The brake then gets a lot more powerful when paired with an aftermarket battery which doesn’t limit how much you can regen at once. We can easily lock up the back wheel and use it all the time!
I’m going to be getting my 1982 gs 1100 gl running you guys can ride any of my 2 bikes it just takes time I’m really slow after the injuries
Why do this over just getting a stark? Because they are small and light. They aren't in the same class. Even the ultra it is closer to the feel of a full size. I have a 2022 ktm 300 for the full size bike feel. These small bikes with upgraded power and suspension are just so much fun.
Finally someone who gets it!👏👏
I also ride a KTM 300 and have MX4 for fun. I have a hard time justifying spending 12 grand that's just me. But I'm also 6'4 so the small bike thing is really just for fun. The way my stock MX4 feels I think I would break it in half if I took it over a big jump compared to the KTM 😂.
The main thing I would say is the biggest pro for this suspension is that when it is set up correctly you just kind of forget it is there. It is doing what it is supposed to be doing so you focus on the riding or other aspects of the bike. With different suspension I was always tinkering and thinking about it while riding like what can I do to make this better. The real eye opening experience like he says in the video is going back to riding different suspension.
Very well put, Honestly now that I'm all setup and used to it all I think about while I ride is (How is my suspension so good and why did I wait so long to get it)....
Another nice video congrats
Great video thanks guys! keep it up👊
This is the suspension I am saving for. Expensive AF, but there's nothing like it.
I watched this amazing video 3 times about the ext suspension and it’s affordable
Just ordered the EXT Ferro fork. Where I ride every trail is a rock garden. I try to go slow to avoid the rocks. It is impossible and no fun. This shock should get me out on more trails.
It will definitely be more fun!
do you guys have a suggestion for a tow hitch bike rack that would carry the mx4?
I use something similar to this, I have a 300lb weight limit version.www.harborfreight.com/400-lb-receiver-mount-aluminum-motorcycle-carrier-62837.html
Do you guys think they will have upgrades like the ones the mx4 has for the TxXx? I'm super interested in the TxXx but idk yet... should I just save another 1000 and go for an mx4? Most of my riding will be street. But i want the option there if i decide to trail
You won't regret saving for the mx4 but the xxx will probably eventually have a ton of upgrades as well.
I see you’re running the 21/18 combo on your ext Ferros. Is it the Luna cycle wheel combo? If so are you running the down crown option on the forks? Ty
If you are running 21 front you will want to be using drop crowns.
Yes we are using the drop crown version with out 21 front wheels and its a must!
That suspension setup with a 19-16 wheel setup sounds ideal
Its seriously good!
I knew i should not have watched this video. Been eyeing this fork for a while and now I have to have it.
You won’t be disappointed!
Well one the bomber58's are a great shock for half the price, once set up. It also has 40mm stanchions as opposed to 36mm stanchions.
You must not have listened to the explanation as to why the 36mm stanchions are so much better than your 40mm? Bomber 58s are way down my list as good fork. Everyone should buy a tuned fastace fork from charge cycle works for $1000 instead of Bombers
@@Talariaboys never rode fast ace after the rebuild, but I do know they tend to move and twist a bit in stock form. I have bomber 58 2 years and love them ( they are stronger then 40's ) . Running a ext rear, thinking of trying some ext fronts . But the cost is tough.
Can you please help me find out some more info on the factory talaria suspension? The front and rear can have air added but have you ever tried that or noticed a difference? If so where is all the info on how much air they are rated for
The rear can't add air, the shock is Nitrogen filled so please don't add air to it. As for the front there is a hidden air valve under a big bolt but isnt meant to be adjusted, it voids the fork warranty unfortunately.
@@Talariaboys okay thanks for the reply. Do you have any idea how much psi the front and rear are rated for? Assuming I don’t mind voiding the warranty on the front fork and also assuming I have nitrogen to use for the rear.
Let's see a wheel size comparison, I about sold my 19 for 18/21 but have since read that the smaller chasis doesn't handle 21/18 very well?
Our next video after this one was a full wheel size comparison you should go watch it! I love 18/21
What a place to ride
What settings are you 3 running on your suspension?
We are all running a little differnt but faily similar. I (Lance) am running 80psi in the Upper positive champer and 150psi in the lower positive chamber, high and low speed compression are almost all the way open and rebound is roughly in the middle of 20 clicks.
can u tell me please how much heaver is EXT rear shock then stock? thank u!
It’s actually significantly lighter than stock shock! Not sure how much exactly but I’d guess about 30 percent lighter
NO WAY!!!!!! ty so much for that info mate
How about the EXT fork vs a stock MX4 fork?@@Talariaboys
The Ferro is about 1 pound lighter than the talaria factory fork.
Lance what light do you have
Its a 5 inch light pod I got strait from Aliexpress in china for $40 and built a custom mount and custom wired it to a switch and the bike. Definitely not for everyone.
Siiiick
what about the talaria xxx pls i have a x3 and i need suspension mods and power mods
The EXT Ferro will go right on the XXX as well as the rear shock but you'll need to get a really soft spring on it for the xxx but they both work!
Can you do a video with someone who doesn’t have the two upgraded shocks. I’d love to hear what they think of the difference between the two.
Good idea, we will try to fit that into one of our group trails rides.
Have you guys ever had issues with X 9000 controller apps I bought one after watching you guys and some other people. Guy who works on my bikes says x9000 is pain in the ass with their app I mean
Everything has been working very good, a few little weird things but that's to be expected with anything new, but they are actively updating things very quickly! We have heard of lots of mechanics that hate the x-9000 and that's because they installed one back when it was unfinished. The latest firmware and batches fix all the installation issues.
If there’s not any one on i75 we would block the highway off with 20 bikes and line up and race I had a gsxr 750 = 907 stage 2 ??? 39 milamiter flat slide kien =175 miles an hour i love to build my bikes
If you go road by a 1994 or five year later and i can build I have to build going now
I bought bomber 58s a year ago and want to sell them somehow now
These are so much better!
I have an arma in the mail. It'd just hard to justify buying the forks after only having mine for a year. I will soon though
Honestly at what point do you just get a stark varg, not much more but a whole lot more power and range
We don't want a Stark Varg, we want these smaller lighter bikes for the type of riding we do, we don't ride motocross.
I have a addiction to ebikes so I m done racing
If I eat 50% less for a year, I could afford this and I'd weigh a lot less. Win-win.
Win-win
Alot of these are based on "Feelings"
That's how you have to base it? Also a lot of this has video has hard facts in it..
Please give me a minute and I will make sure my zx12 is capable and you guys can ride the rocket it’s so quick
only way you are braking a fox 40 is if you crash really fucking hard i have tried large jumps to stoppies and it doesn't break also the fox 40 weighs like half what the ext does
Breaking them isn't really the main concern for most people. The big thing for me is that the bushing get clapped out super quickly on the 40's and all other MTB forks because they are not designed for this type of use. After that they perform even more shitty that do to start and you have basically ruined the fork. 40 isn't even on the same planet as the Ferro
@@mixmastamikal do you see what the fox 40 is made for it's made to be beat on it can handle it for sure
@@neil9184 I have owned several and used them on both MTB and Sur Ron. They are pretty mediocre in the performance category for both applications. The way in which the loads are transferred as well as the increased mass and velocity (force) is far greater and different than what is experienced in MTB. Riding down a rough trail on a talaria at 40+ mph for extended periods of time is nothing like even the most extreme dh tracks where the rider may hit a top speed of maybe 40 in a rare brief circumstance.
People crack them all the time when using them on E'motos, but you almost never hear about it because if people posted about it they would get absolutely reamed in the comments. The fox 40 is an amazing fork for what it was designed to do, Its amazing on a DH mtn bike bit it sucks on a Talaria compared to this Ferro
@@Talariaboys I think it also depends on sur ron vs talaria because the weight difference matters I am running a ultra light 72v battery in my sur ron and the bike only weighed 105 lb while the talarias you have are pushing ~160 i imagine.
🤣🤣🤣The Price🤣🤣🤣
Worth it
WAIT????? Talaria is making an Ultra Bee competitor???????
That’s what we’ve heard! We don’t know anything about it yet
@@Talariaboys Keep us updated on this please. I almost bought an ultra bee this month but felt like the moment I did talaria would come out with an ultra bee competitor that would be less expensive and better than the ultra bee.
I don’t even like my z12 it’s too much and I don’t like it anymore for sale just like my brand new m2s750 because I have to much
Im right here the second generation spider man god is on my side and Jesus’s is my riding co piolet
I will let you guys ride any of my bikes as long as everything is serviced properly by me and everything is working properly and then you can go 200 miles an hour with full body armor
Oh my goodness everyone comes out with a better bike, it’s like the motorcycle worse in the late 80s who can go 200 miles an hour it’s not fun it’s really quick and you don’t want to go there with out accidents dismembered insurance
Oh you’re wandering too get to fast 13 times 42 tooth sprocket equals 175 miles an hour on a 1994 gsxr 750 build
Me and god have a relationship
Fox 40 has 40mm stanchions where the EXT Ferro E-MX Fork has 36mm stanchions. Also the ext is $2000 and the fox factory 40 is cheaper and more readily available. Also DH bikes weight more than 30 pounds.
I’m sure you’re familiar with Red Bull rampage? Those guys are jumping of cliffs on their Fox 40’s
I like your videos but the comments about buying a fox fork were pretty inaccurate.
Not sure you watched the whole video or you would have gotten a lot more info why the Ferro is better than a fox 40… the 40 has aluminum stanctions… the Ferro has hardened cromoly steel, which even at 36mm is far far stronger. It also has duel sliding bushing which increase stiffness. You also don’t seem to understand the difference of making your bike 120 lbs heavier than a fork was designed for and that’s apparent when you try a fox 40 on a 165lb moto. DH forks are also valved and damped for downhill use… literally they are made for going downhill not up so all the angles change and those forks suck at up sorbing hits and bumps when going up hill. The Ferro feels amazing everywhere. Go buy a brand new fox 40 and the can cost upwards of $2000
I have raced downhill and a Fox 40 is great but those purposes. I was running a Dorado on my Light Bee which was an improvement over stock but when I got the EXT Ferro that thing is beefy. Definitely heavier but stiffer. Yes Fox 40 is being launched at places like Rampage but you are not seeing behind the scenes where they are servicing the fork to handle that, plus they are setting them up stiff to handle the load where the EXT is feeling smooth
Well said!
coming from an mtb perspective, stanchion diameter is only a small part of fork stiffness. A lot of it is torsional, which is affected by axle strength and crown strength. The ferro has much thicker stanchion walls and as a result thicker stanchions. Not to mention, a fox 40 air spring and damper preform best when under ~150-200 lbs of sprung weight. On a surron, the sprung weight is gonna be ~250-300 lbs and at that point your fox 40 damper just won’t have good midstroke support unless you get an aftermarket damper from avalanche and by that point you’re better off with the ferro, since the damper is designed with those extra pounds in mind. Not to mention, because of how steep the Redbull rampage landings are, those 50 foot drops into near-vertical landings are actually putting less stress on the fork than a 10-20 foot near flat drop.
The greatest bending moment on the fork occurs where the fork stanchion or leg meets the lower crown. On a right side up fork like the 40 the stanchion is taking all that force. On an inverted fork like the Ferro the leg is dealing with that force. That part on the Ferro is about 44mm diameter. Besides that there are multiple other factors that make it superior in strength and stiffness that have already been pointed out such as steel stanchion material and dynamic bushing design.
I would be scaring the young guys with my power I would show up and everyone would leave because I had the power well they should not pick on me because I have the smarts about exceeding the limits and I m 63 years old and look like road rash
Honestly I don't get the point in investing so much money in these bikes. You are likely way past Ultra Bee territory and right into Stark Varg.
For me I'd rather sell my current bike and then upgrade to another then put upgrades into the current bike as you can get better performance for much cheaper. Like if you want really fast speed and power just go with a zero fx
@@SyphonGaming Yes, but something I didn't consider is maybe they have to stick to this specific brand due to their channel name being Talaria Boys :)
Had the exact same though, doing some napkin math their bikes would now cost the same amount as a stark varg 80hp model. Stark varg is going to have a huge list of benefits, would also fit them better as they are taller riders. Only downside I see would be weight, upgraded sting probably weights around the 180-200lb mark, so about 40-60lb more
Someone looking at an lbx or a sting probably isn’t interested in a varg…..
@@bryanspilner7370 Ultra Bee then, imagine it will be similar in weight with the upgraded Sting
It blows me away how much money people sink into these baby, toy sized emotos??? Why??
You my friend need to ride one to find out. Those who haven't tried never get it....
@@Talariaboys I have one. It has been relegated to the toy category. For real rides, I ride a real bike. I have a trials bike, KTM XCW300 and a Beta Xtrainer. And a DRZ400 super moto for the street.
Not trying to be a jerk but you guys are hyping up the fork so much, it seems suspect. Every time I see a review on the Ferro (which I've been looking at for some time now) I find out the person doing the review got it for free, received a good discount or sell them.
Not trying to over hype, this fork is amazing and if you spent 3k on suspension and it exceeded your expectations and actually genuinely improved your riding experience you’d be just as hyped as we are! Alex literally went home and ordered a full setup after that video. No regrets!
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