Guide to Army Compositions & Counters in Age of Empires IV
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- Guide to Army Compositions & Counters in Age of Empires IV
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00g:00 - Introduction
00:rg43 - Knight + Archer
01g:50 - Aggressor vs Defender
03g:35 -
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Not a lot of micro guides out there, would much appreciate one. Keep it it up beasty you da man!
The real guide is the gold players in the comment section
I'm not even placed and only play against intermediate AI. Is this the place for me to spew my incredible game knowledge as if I'm conquer 1?
A micro guide would be good, but mostly what interests me is your key bindings.
As in how do you quickly split a blob of springalds into 4 to shoot at different mangonels or if you harass with cav, how do you split your formation into two bound groups quickly to go into opposite directions, etc
have you watched beast's keybind video?
@@thegittubaba His keybind video is horrible xD I really enjoy Beasty-Content, but that video was aweful xD
At least, if you expect to learn something from it. Hes explaining his crazy stuff, yeah... But its impossible to do it like him XD...
You have to take the time to not play but learn and make your own to your own comfort and accessibility
These are the most important to learn
Keybinds 5-6/7 Productions (barracks, stables etc)
Keybind 4, your town centers
Keybind 1-3, army
Change or learn these keybindings
Keybind "Idle army" (botton left of nr1)
Keybind idle villagers (any botton you prefer)
Learn these
Keybind F1-F4 upgrades (production, upgrades etc)
Keybindings for villagiers food,wood,stone,gold (ctrl f w s g)
Kind of what I find with most Age guides… they’re trying to keep pace with the game and explain shit but it’s hard to pick everything up because I’m listening and looking at the world while they’re hopping around UI elements making it easy to get lost quick.
Man have I been waiting for this. Thanks!!!
Beastyqt: explains units strengths and weaknesses, how to counter specific army compositions and more.
Me, an HRE main noob with my composition of pikemen, men at arms, landsknhechts and prelates, melting everything in my general direction: I'mma pretend I didn't see that
I know it's not accurate but I need HRE Huskarls
a guide that could be super handy, is perhaps on how to attack into someone booming early. my biggest struggle would be say for example playing delhi against abassid, and they have 2nd tc up almost immediately, by the time I even get a raider to their base, and it becomes extremely difficult to disrupt them from that point. or perhaps get around knight/archer from french into answering their 2nd tc, there has to be a way to practically deal with this, unless its just 2tc myself and then work into rams. but there's probably different approaches for different civs.
I mean that like every one of his civ guides/build orders
I am new to RTS and still don't have the confidence to play PvP, but your guides are really encouraging and gives me hope that some day I might win atleast 1 PvP game!
Who dares wins
Play vs AI and build up as you go, do 4v4 players vs AI if you like until your ready to do some player 4v4
@@samuelcontreras9248 I did this, ahh, not great experience, team members just rage quit the moment the noob (me in said case) makes 1 mistake, 1v1's a whole lot better experience
I'm not that good, I'm incredible at building and utilizing villagers and I know somewhat how to counter and overtake.
Once my army is build I start building walls to defend then trebuchet for additional defense against there trebuchet if they have any, hell even against battering rams they slaughter.
I keep calvary within my wall and move Maa out with archers and pikemen, by then I've built such a mass army that I can overtake most players.
Holy roman empire.
@@BatteryMCChappylol what. You defend against siege with springalds... Use cavalry to harass their units. You are using everything incorrectly lmao.
You're the best Beasty!!!
Keep up the great work!!!
This game is just really advanced rock paper scissors
Every strategy game ever summarised right there.
This applies to all RTS
Adding micro to it makes it even more advanced
And so are fighting games. Probably every real-time game.
All RTS but not Aoe1 😭
Amaaaziing!!! we needed it. Thanks!!!
This is the content I need.
TY very helpful. But I came here because my army and base got ate by elephant.
you could do a macro tips vid where you talk about how to minimize worker travel, how many vills to use to construct buildings. quick walling etc.
I think it would be helpful if there was an input map on the screen showing what keys you press on the keyboard
There is. It's literally a grid
Triangle formation is good for charging archers as the front units with get overkilled and allow you to get on top of the archer line
@beastyqt what kind of keyboard do you use? Wanting to step up my ranked play but micro is lacking. Using mini huntsman, finding it difficult to key bind/ micro battle with it. Thinking of switching to full but not trying to invest into one if it’s not needed. Thanks
Ty so much beasty
Nice tutorial!
Micro guide would be awesome, please do make it Beasty
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great content
Very educational, Im still very bad at Aoe, Thanks Beasty!
I've been bad for 20 years
@@2bearnestAs long as we're having fun, right! Right? 😅
Can you do a guide on what tech should I be prioritizing in each age? esp as English. Thanks
Do you have a build order guide for feudal-castle?
good guide.
How about a Guide to Decision Making? Pointing out for every civ what the key scouting points are. Example: Scout Mongols at 4:00 and at 6:30. When you see no gold at 4:00 then expect A if you see 2 on gold then B etc... So telling us when its important to scout, what we might see and what our reaction should be. I struggle that when i scout at a random time and see a random barrack to know what the meening of that is. If its normal to have a barrack at that time ,if its so early that it shows intend to rush etc... Hope you know what i mean. A how to scout and react against each race would be awesome. Sorry from germany so my englisch sucks
This is basically what build orders show you. Even if you don't play a civ, watch their build orders anyway to get an idea what they are planning.
basically the feudal Rock Paper Scissor combos are cav spear > cav archer > archer spear and then the castle Rock Paper Scissors goes knight horsemen > maa archer > crossbow spear. Horsemen being interchangeable with mangonel and crossbow being interchangeable with hand cannoneers.
Not really accurate, horsemen dont do well against mass of archers/crossbow. They do well against them in small armies.
In castle its more: horses/knight -> Mangonel -> Archer/Crossbow -> Spear -> horses/knight
MMA are their own category, and good against cheap units (horsemen, archer, spear) but weak against expensive units (knight, crossbow)
@@Marc-gj9vx nah each generic unit beats 2, loses to 2 and is neutral to 1. so for example a spear beats knight horsemen, loses to archer maa and is neutral to crossbow.
@@chrisnewtownnsw spear definitely lose to crossbow
@@Marc-gj9vx the developers disagree when they made their chart.
but what to do vs Mass firelancer handcannon from china?
I main Japanese and play really clean games but never feel like I can create a strong counter to many comps. What would be a good comp for Japanese?
Can you do a map guide? If not a map by map analysis at least a general strategy for the different play styles and civs.
Good idea! I think he mentioned once though that making guides for maps for EVERY civ is way too much, so I think a broad introduction to the maps and their critical characteristics would be nice; like sheep situation, water access, trading, walling etc.
@@Grohtan that's what I was thinking. There's too many maps and too much potential for change between seasons for a detailed rundown.
Even just a quick civ to map tier list like he did for civ matchups would be nice. Redundant maps could be clumped together.
Idiots like me who spent a whole match looking for the second sacred site on boulder bay as Deli before finally just pushing a landmark victory can use all the heads up we can get.
Do a video on the wedge formation.
The only use I can think of it is to get the enemy to overkill your front unit(s)
does anyone know the bread and butter unit comp for byzantines ?
As an English player, I find it very hard to fight against knight civ like france (generally, hoseman+archers), since micro of spear+longbow is much harder than bows+knights.
France archers can just F2A the floor, although shooting spearman is better, but with low APM, shooting at longbows is still worth it. Keep knights running between two forces can tank auto attack longbows
But English should constantly moving spearman back and forth to protect both archers and spearmans, while targeting archers to shoot at enemy archers). And also the ratio between longbows and spearmans(1 barrack or 2? you need to scout) are hard to maintain, you should prepare enough spearman to prevent france knight rush, but also enough longbow to threaten france archers (or knights will just hover around and keep his archers moving forward, which force you to retreat)
just wonder will it be better if I go with horseman+spear or horseman+less spear+a little longbows?
thats why you need to defend and tech into castle, making a narrow point with walls, and towers favours english defense, since you be fighting under houses and tcs where knights cant really do much
@@rafamilk1 English is terriable against franch in castle in long term... You go 2 tc, Franch got the map and 2tc(with better production speed); you go fc, Franch can harrase you and grab 1~2 vils / slow down your gold/wood then go castle. I mean I usually go only feudal aggresive or 2tc+straight to castle(palace) against them, 12~15 minutes is the best time for english to kill france
Not complaining Fr>En overall, but in feudal age battle micro English side is just much more difficult, while macro difficulty france is harder.
You missed a HUGE point. Some civ have men-at-arm at feudal. And you don't have crossbow then. How do you counter that with abbasid for exemple ? I mean there are civ that have nor MAA nor knight at feudal.
What about ram spam? My most sucessful strategy has been Knights+Horse archers Rus into Imperial ram spam from the high armory. I've notieced a large majority of people can't respond to it well due to how supply effecient rams are. They either focus on my knights/horse archers and I start to kite/distract while the rams lay waste to their base, or they go after my rams and they can barely even hurt the rams before my army gets rid of them. It's very wood dependent but I dump almost all my vills on wood and kinda just all-in and it almost always works for me. But what is the counter? This comp wins me games against people that are way above my elo and I feel no other strategy comes close to feeling this OP.
I notice most people start spamming spears into this and try to micro into destroying rams while also fighting knights if they get close, but the horse archers punish them as soon as they focus on rams and it's really easy to just kite around if spears start trying to fight the cav. Sometimes if the enemy has something ridiculous like really heavy gunpowder it fends me off but for the most part the rams are just overwhelming and overrun everything. I would like to know the official counters so I know what to look out for once I see people who really know the counterplay.
Springalds
what the different between shift+click and A+click? Thank you!
Shift clicking queues actions for your units. For example if you had a scout and wanted him to kill deer in order, you shift + click the deer in the order you want him to kill them in. A + click is "attack move." Attack move orders your selected units to move to the spot you click on, while engaging enemy units they encounter on the way. Attack move is far more effective than simply right clicking any enemy unit because it ensures that your units attack every enemy soldier they see instead of just going for one. One drawback of attack move is that your units don't prioritize more dangerous units/buildings, so they can get sidetrack chasing down enemy vills and burning down houses etc etc.
wait so if i A move horsemen and select enemy archers they will only attack archers? I thought they kill the unit you select and then attack whatevers closest
Keep clicking my friend devote your entire game to clicking those dirty archers
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According to this explanation if you don't have feudal maa then there is no counter to feudal longbow spear that's why I don't think it's entirely accurate. I believe the knight archer does counter archer/longbow spear.
No, if you don't have MAA, he said there are 2 counters. The 2nd one is cavalry+archer. You need to run around with you cavalry to get the archer and use archers to kill the spears. It seems harder thant MAA but doable. He even talk about fighting english: "They go longbow, so you go horsemen, so they need to had spears so you had archers". But I think he did not talk about how to counter MAA at feudal, without crossbow or knight. So it seems that if you fight with a civ without MAA or knight at feudal, you need to rush castle age :p
3:01 those perfect boxes he just drew are why he’s one of the best
You can basically counter every unit comb. Knights and handcanoneers get countered by spears and mangos.
hand cannoneers actually beat mango with equal resources. Better to use crossbow spear. Or hand cannon spear depending what age you're in
@@chrisnewtownnswUnless you miss Click. Then all the math in the world won't help you.
@chrisbeer No. Mangos are better now vs ranged.
@@Adribird nope. see apollyon and his video for the hand cannoneer vs mango battle simulation. Hc wins and It is surprising I know. To find it search 200 Chinese hand cannoneer vs 50 mangonel.
@@chrisnewtownnsw 3 months ago I gave my answer to that test, specially about its population and total cost.
what about obnoxious archer horses running in backlines killing villagers
I wonder how to counter Rus knights and Cav Archers? Theoretically Cav Archers are countered by Archers. But Cav Archers can simply run away from them. And Spears are killed by Cav Archers.
Just got to be a rolling death ball against that combo. Spears and archers need to be holding each others pockets the whole time
knight horsemen
Horsemen, walls, outpost, mangonels.
If you think you don't need this video, it's gonna be fun when you get that game with an opp that trashes your usual comp and you don't know what to do
It’s an instruction
I see what you did there
I started with Chinese when the game released, because I love defensive playstyle with walls and towers. But the civ felt kind of lacking in early game and lacks resources in late game. I also don't really like the tax collector system. Lately I've been learning French but not a fan of how easily they get countered by spears. What would you recommend? I was thinking going maybe HRE, or Dehli or Abbasid. But maybe with the new civs things will get better. I'm not convinced I want to give the devs any more money though the game was expensive af and they didn't deliver on a good map editor which was the main thing I was waiting for all along. The map editor we have is super laggy on my low specs and hard to use overall I just want something simple to paint landscape and chill not a full game studio tool... I hope the new maps will be good, I am all for more landscape tactics, I downvote all the flat maps lol. I also wish they would let people queue larger maps in multiplayer for instance large map in 1v1. PS: with French I struggle to match my opponent in production speed vs strength of unit and very often my troops die a lot faster than my opponent's which keeps me on production timer while getting rolled over. It's not even a resources issue I play coc economy very well but I really fall short in battles and my 30k stone walls are useless against one lil trebuchet if I can't contest forever. The royal knights are really bad at multi targetting they get in the way of each other a lot I find playing with archers and siege a lot stronger. The micro guide would help me for sure. Map specific main strategies overview and tips would be a nice series too.
I use french and english as main, but recently I started with abassid. Loved the eco abassid gives, it's crazy and it has a lot of upgrades that are fun to explore. Plus you don't worry about which Landmark to build and your trades give in an additional resource with an upgrade. You should try them
God damn this isn't a youtube comment this is a youtube story.
word im not reading all that bro@@kejadventures241
From what you state here, I see a couple of problem (I'll ignore the fact that you bought the game just to complain about the map editor alone = not worth your money but whatever"
first thing is you trade (by trade here = yours VS enemy losses) is not good, you said your Army die faster then look if your Army got Counter or lack Upgrade
Second, this might be a bit weird but you playing French but downvote any flat Maps, that will kill your army for sure. for experience player it might not be a problem but it's a problem when you can't move your Cavalry around in time because the enemy keep dodging up and down the hills.
Third, Siege engine meant to destroy a turtle strategy especially Trebuchet, if you plan to Stay Turtle all day you'll die by Treb spam in the end since the range is longer than you can counter and you didn't push it back.
In the end, it's up to the experience, just play more, lose and learn.
French knights are the strongest in game with free dmg upgrade and selfheal upgrade, play aggressive, try to kill enemy villagers and use bows for support against spears.
Also you have knights in Age 2, while most other civs have them in Age 3. You just have to go into Age 2 within 5 mins, go mainly on gold and food with your villagers and pump out the knights.
Horsemen / men at arms as enlish best combo in age 2
Indeed, I really agree ! Without knights, I don't know how to counter this comp in age 2 ! Did you have opponents who have found solutions ?
@@bastienm347horses are meta in this game. If you want to win most games, make horsem/knights and mangonels. Maybe 10-15 pikemen to help stop enemy horse charges. Got me to diamond rank doing this.
Please make a counter video for the currently over used ghulam spam. I understand denying stone and, knights and crossbowmen counter ghulam. But in practice it doesn't feel so straight forward
yeah, its hard to deny stone when they have enough for the 2nd tc within seconds of aging up. trying to learn how to deal with the boom as well.
@@terence7009 I figured out the best way to counter this ghulam rush shit is to run knights. The abbassid rush with the ghulam is only really effective against the knight less civs
How to beat beasty?
LETS KEE *pop* going!
now tell us how to defeat 50 streltsy + mangos + rus springalds.
Mango+culverin, Chinese hand cannons, mass archers with heavily delayed late horseman charge/flank
Mongol springalds
how to counter elephant?
Spears, springalds.
crossbow spear
Ok what about tower elephant
@@MrTohaelhaddar knight horsemen???
@@MrTohaelhaddargunpowder, crossbows, spears. Delhi has to win most likely early as poss bef everything counters their elephants
hre imp horseman are knights XD
Anyone want to write this all down somewhere lol?
Why am I watching this. I only play team games and always just build mass knights xD Also the other players also mainly just mass one unit and add siedge
Him: "It's like Rock Paper Scissors"
Me: Man this game is going to be way too simple
Him: *starts explaining civilization strengths, upgrades, and advanced units*
Me: 🧠📴
And what do you go for when your ennemy doesn't know what he's doing and goes for a bit of everything ?
include your civs power unit into any double unit combo. Power units will break the well rounded army spam
@@chrisnewtownnsw Yes could work. When it comes to composition I find the scouting part very difficult too. I played as 3 TC French vs 3 TC Abbasid the other day. He went cav so I went pikes, easy. Then I had to focus on so many things I didn’t see he pivoted to mass pikes / mango. My pike / knights / got eaten so fast I didn’t understand what was happening (elo D2/D3)
@@anonymeanonyme9755 maa and spaced out archer combo would eat mango spear. Or just maa
@@anonymeanonyme9755At the end of the day if you're not scouting or being aggressive you're the reactor, advantage will always be to the attacker unless you blindly got lucky with the counter.
No one knows how to counter MAA in age 2 with abbasid xD No knight, no crossbow, no solution
If u get infinite amount of resources and like 100 production buildings fighting in a choke point, Ottoman prob always win, cuz their infinite great bombards and they never die, they got infinite lancers to shield their bombards, infinite jannisary to repair their bambards, and infinite mangos + springs+ ribaus to combo with bombards. Their seige combo kills everything. Even Chinese seige can't beat those infinite great bombard combo cuz Chinese seige got heavily nerfed, Chinese bambard range tech got replaced and health got halved. Nest of bees only get 8 range which is shorter than mangos. When Ottoman get infinites resources, they kill everything, it doesnt matter what u make. Springs and anti-seige cannot do anything when they got that mass. Before u springs can do real damage, their great bombards+mangos+ribaus already killed hundreds. Even u get like 40x srpings vs 30x great bombards or 40x mangos, same population, u will lose. And knights cannot even get pass their frontline, not to mention they have mether buffs.
I end up losing to my opponent because im respecting the fact that he will counter my 2 unit comp when in fact he retardedly masses one unit.
Man you gotta try to cut out your keyboard clicks it's so bad
I'm sorry u may be knowledgeable but I can't stand the way you make the content. sotl, hera etc make things much clearer and don't need 30 min of yapping