Dual Shield Flux Core and Short Circuit MIG Welding
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For this video, I visited my friend JD Brewer. JD is a big fan of dual shield flux core welding also known as outershield, gas shielded flux core, and probably a few other slang terms.
The main difference for JD is speed. He runs a welding business and anything that saves times also helps make him money.
Dual shield flux core saves time because it allows for a fast travel speed and high deposition rate, and it also saves time in material prep. Very little prep is required for dual shield. It penetrates thru light mill scale without leaving undercut and so by not having to prep each weld area to clean bright metal, preparation time is minimal.
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Thanks for coming by the shop! Always learning something new and having a good time!
Always a good day brother
What does a 11/12 pound spool of that dual cost? Standard flux .035 runs $70ish vs $30 for er70s6. Can I put C25 on flux?
JD Brewer I use 7100 also, love it...
@JD, what do you think of ESAB’s Smart MiG feature? I bought a Rebel to start out and be mobile similar to your Lin210.
You guys are awesome!
I've been running dual shield for a couple years now and love it's versatility.
Great video! The side by side race to the top was a real eye opener, I know I have started using dual shield since you first showed JD running it and I really like it.
Love these videos, they are the most informative of all the CZcams videos period. Also love watching JDs fabricating skills at work. He’s is one awesome welder and fabricator. Love both channels.
I'm just a hobbyist with a couple of mig welders and much of the content of these videos are beyond my personal needs.
But I love these vids and greatly appreciate what you are doing Jody.
I thought the same until I tried dual shield. anything over an 1/8 gets dual shield flux core. It burns into the base metal like a 7018.
Thank you again, Mr. Jody, for your time to present us with such great information. It is so greatly appreciated
Just got a spool of esab 710xm.045 over the weekend, first go around with dual shield and it is awesome. Been looking up more info on it and out comes another great video from Jody and JD. Keep em coming.
My wife was thrilled to get to talk to you at Georgia Trade School today! “Hi” from Big Bird at Delta.
I’m glad to see you’re doing so well!
I have been 20 years as a machinist and I always avoiding welding I hate weld but since I started watching your video you make me change my mind I start love welding because of you thank you for your video and channel best ever in this field.
Welding was quite intimidating for me before I got into it, now I am never looking back
My Son was using this when he worked in a rail car repair facility , at the time I had never heard of it , Thanks for educating me .
great video. when I started to weld 7 years ago I watched your films, thanks to your advice, I've come to perfection now a piece of cake for me. thank you and keep doing what you are doing, keep warm😉
Greetings from Poland
Good information JD and Jody. I just purchased a Rebel EMP215IC like yesterday. So far to say I am impressed would be an understatement!
They are impressive machines!
I use 3/32 dual shield almost every day. Love it.
Super excited to see more with these machines, I am starting my own gig and looking at getting one of these possibly to help me make more money. I love dual shield, I only got to use it a little in school but I felt like it was pushing the easy button after all the short circuit.
Great video guys thanks for teaming up on this one. Hopefully y'all will be out of the path of the hurricane down in Georgia. Stay safe over the weekend.
This was a great video to show the differences between the two processes. Quite eye opening. I wish I had another everlast mig welder at my shop so that my buddy and I could do some challenge welding!
Duel shield has been the primary welding method I’ve used for past 20 years, especially when the project can bet done in a shop environment. Second most used wire is a E71T8 flux core in .072. Never do we use a smaller than .045 duel shield though. The Operating range of that wire can be turned down so low or so high that .045 is very versatile.
Hey Jody and JD great video.
If anyone wants to try out dual shield on thinner material without too much fuss (or a huge machine), Hobart makes a 10lb 035 dual shield spool for about $80 that runs on C25, they call it "Excel Arc." No liner changes, etc.
Good to know! Thanks for sharing
My pleasure, JD. Hope someone can use it. FYI, these are AirGas prices-- I'm sure you could find it for less elsewhere.
@Michael Brinkerhoff Good plan.
$8/lb is a little high on the price even for the smaller diameter wire. Pinnacle alloys makes a decent dual shield wire that runs very similar to the Lincoln 71M. It should be about $40-$45 a spool off the street if you dont have an account with the welding supply. I have had great success with C25 and also straight C02.
@@davidbaker308 I'll look into Pinnacle dual shield, thanks.
Dual shield is the best mig wire in my opinion since I have ran self shield, hard and dual shield and I loved dualshield from the start I welded out one 3G test on 3/8ths plate that I barely spent time prepping and I got my bendstraps to pass. I have ran it 19.0 and 190 and 24.7 407 and loved it but 19.0 and 190 was overheard which wasn’t a smart idea but fun as hell
So when I worked in a heavy structural steel shop. It was fcaw (duel shild) 1/16" wire and I loved it for everything it had right down to the slag. But a funny thing is all we did in that shop is match the voltage to the wire feed speed and we were laying down perfect beads really fast
30 and 300 with .052 is pretty good!
When I was going to school I always enjoyed dual shield over hard wire or self shield
Thank you for another educational video Jody. Learned a lot
Thanks Jody and J D always good to learn.👍
Love running esab 7100 dual shield supper smooth and great for any structural welding good in all positions as well can’t beat it
You ain't lying!! It's good stuff
I managed to rig up a 15lb roll of 045 UltraCore to my dinky little Lincoln 180C ProMig so I could start learning about dragging dual shield. I'm set at E/4-4.5 20cfh running layer build-up. Hella globular transfer with some bbs rolling 'round but shoot dang it still lays in dope as hell.
Thank you for making this ... I have always went flux core but its ugly and I catch flak for it . Thanks for the posative explanation of it
The two of you welding at the same time was awesome to see. Around 2 minutes especially. Something else that maybe note worthy was the difference in gun angles between the two of you. Always interesting to see the little differences.
Yeah that was something I noticed as well... didn't think my gun angle was like that
@@jdbrewer6638 I usually push more with something like a 7018 but that's just the way I like to do it. I bet I push pretty good with a mig too though. Would be interesting to see myself. Jody I have heard him say about going straight in and ending up with a bit of a push.
I have hobbyist level experience with short circuit MIG (using C25), and just today started doing dual shield (though I forget which gas I was using) at my welding school, and I really dig the dual shield. It's fast, it's easy to set up and run, I get nice clean beads, and great penetration.
It should have been the same c25 gas...
Yeah, it was. I just couldn't remember 100% if that was the case.
I like dual shield for when welding outdoors on commercial fishing boats, it will actually put up with the wind. also it has more desirable properties regarding elongation and such in my opinion.
it's more forgiving in position no changes needed. we like it
So much for the slag u drag theory.
Great post. Thanks for sharing.
Unfortunately dragging fcaw isn't practical uphill, same with mma, always push uphill, drag down, even with gmaw/fcaw. Horizontal is where it counts. Some wires are more forgiving, get it wrong and you'll just trap slag.
Love the dual shield wire, just those god damn surface worm tracks make me crazy.
Great video I started using dual shield after watching one of Jody’s and jds video it welds awesome
Hey Jody great video I’m gonna give that dual shield a try! It would be interesting to see a mag particle test on both, the short circuit mig can get you in some trouble on anything over 1/4 “.
I have a 235ic esab I love welding daul shield flux cord , and I do tig training too awesome welding machine
I have a roll of 0.35 dualshield for my mp210 and I itch for a heavier project to come about so that I can run it. Last project with dual shield was a cart for my lincoln sa 200. Had to max out the lil 210 to get a decent bead.
Another very informative video, keep them coming
Another awsome class. Thank you so much
hey guys love the videos, when ye say dual shield is the wire your using named "outershield". i have a small fab shop and getting lots of mild steel work at the moment and wouldnt mind setting up a spool of this.
Love dual shield videos
another great lesson and video , thanks to both of you ,,,
First, thank you for your great sharing and educating us. I’m not a welder and have to coordinate an inside job for fabricating “material buckets” (like small dump trucks), it is an outdoors job. Could you throw a short comment on comparint plain flux-cored MIG with dual-shielded. We are looking to avoid the use of gas but also benefit from speed compared to stick (there are more than 13 thousand inched of weld). Best regards.
Interesting video for sure. thanks for all the great content
Great informational video guys
Listening to the podcast I decided to try dual shield. I like it but am having a lot of porosity and worm tracks. Would love a video that explains all that and possible reasons/mistakes. Thanks y’all are awesome!
We will try to help out with that!
JD Brewer Thank you! Would’ve loved to use it on a tractor repair but I’m not comfortable with it yet. Ended up using stick instead.
Do you have a video of the differences between pulse vs spray MIG
A shop where i was at, only welded with Dual Shield aswell, theyve been doing it ever since Oerlikon made their 14HD Dual shield wire. They used to say that life is too short to not be using dual shield.
That's right!
Спасибо за ваше время и работу! У нас проволоку флюсованую многие боятся, в этом мы от вас отстали лет так на 15))
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I would like your opinion on the best type of lighting for a welding shop and where it should go in reference to the welding table.
I love your videos you do great work. Would it be possible to do a video using this machine with self shielded flux core.
As a ship fitter, and cwb welder on the west coast of BC. I can attest to the benefits of dual shield flux core. It is cool to see the side by side comparisons. How about a mig versus tig on thin mild steel?
from colombia ,jody thanks is good you video tutorials
You should compare pulsed spray transfer with short circuit. That would be an interesting video
Great video
Always thanks for your amazing full of info vids/ I have 350 lincoln xt/ I wanna do uphill welds what's the best option for heat/speed/ and angle please. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
I'm using 045 wire size. Flux core
Yep only problem I have with uphill on my machine is that it needs to be turned down alot! Too much buildup/drooping weld pool if left at what works flat. Gotta knock it down 15-20%
Nice!!!! what I'd like to see is how much Hard Wire you used (lbs per 12") vs how much Dual Shield was used.
Should have used 045 dual shield you need to subtract. 01 for the flux there is no comparison I have been using dual shield for 25 yrs finally a good video on it
.045" would have been a better choice for 1/4" but just trying to keep things similar or this video. next video will be with .045" or .052". thanks for the comment
You can also switch to 98argon/2oxygen and do spray arc with the solid wire, it'd be interesting to see that comparison.
Jody, have you ever had to use a ceramic backing for any of the welding you've done? What are some pros and cons of ceramic backing on groove welds, as opposed to gouging and back welding?
I love my ESAB Rebel 215. Going to start doing more duel shield in the future as I do a lot 3/16 - 1/4. What did you think of that ESAB and their Smart Mig technology?
Dual shield globular transfer vs dual shield spray
Id love to see some vids on metal cor and self shielding wire.
I’ve used dual shield in my shop and loved it but as an hourly rate operation the added cost of the wire turned me away from it. Do my homework again it may be a great asset when doing bid work
Would love to see some videos on metal core wire, maybe how it compares to dual shield flux core wires.
Would be nice now to see if 100% CO2 makes a difference on the vert up weld. Solid wire vs dual shield.
Looking forward to the smaller Rebel videos
On the penetration test, what is the minimum per code? Legs 3/16" into weld metal? Thanks guys. Really appreciate your hard work on putting these videos together.👍🏼
jody I want to ask you a question: when applying fluxcore solder in 1/2 stage in up position, if I have the voltage 24.0, what is the best speed range of the wire?
Nice video guys
An here I am thinking that it was only meant for flat an horizontal I didn’t kno u can used this process in any position Niceeeeeeee 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Great video guys, love the team up video. Any chance of doing Metal core vs flux core, dual vs self shield or Stainless steel dual shield flux core vs steel dual shield flux core. Thanks bud.
Could you do a video on a 16 gauge mild steel uphill 3f Tig T-joint please. I’m a welding student and I’m having some trouble figuring out hot to do it without blowing out the corner. Thanks.
exelente maestro saludos desde Honduras
Rebel 285 is the best, ive got an esab fabricator 252i and love it but would trade it in a second for the esab rebel 285emp
Is there much if any difference in the distortion of the parent metal between the two processes? Considering heat input over time?
Dual shield on pipe on a rotator,
Mig root flux core fill and cap
Thank you great video , and info .
Try some metalcore wire on pulse Jody, its my favorite by far
So is this process just adding C25 with your standard flux core wire? I think I read somewhere that adding straight argon to flux core wire makes for nice looking welds, I don't know what the penetration would look like though. Could make for an interesting video.
I would love to see a video on nr232!!
Recently realized that although I’ve watched a significant number of welding videos I’ve never seen one on mig spool guns.
Thoughts?
Good video guys. Can you use the dual shield outdoors with wind, since it has flux? Obviously going to lose the gas. Also, how about some cast iron repairs for future videos.
hey jody. graet video as usual! i would love to see you talk about some pulse mig.. there are some very nice new fitures (i know mostly lorch and fronius but im sure other compenies have similar programs). oh, and my 3 year old daughter here in israel call you "uncle jody" :)
Oh ya can you let us know about that table stand , and where to buy one ?
I had to do some vertical ups today. I was frustrated because our dual-shield wire feeder was out of service and I had to use .035 hard wire. They turned out, but took longer than they should have.
Did JD have a cup of coffee ready for you when you were done with your bead?
I love dual-shield, mostly because it makes me look like a rockstar welder.
I'm at a new place that uses dual shield, 1/2" steel on a big radius. I keep getting big wagon tracks is there anything I should try
Do you have to reverse polarity when doing dual shield flux core..... I know you do for flux core welding...... so is this just adding a shielding gas to flux core welding? ( just trying to understand the term)
I would of like to see the actual comparison on the difference of total wire used in feet or lbs with the more ''manipulation'' on the SC. And then do a cost analysis of just material used considering DS is more expensive to run.
Thanks for the video BUT are you talking obout MIG or MAG? You know what you are talking about but we get confused.
How do you change the setting from spray mig to short circuit?
So I can dual shield with a small 110 welder like the Lincoln 140HD?
Would you say Dual shield is better than stick on thicker material?
Brilliant video. I have a small business like JD so this will help. What would be .035 in real money? 0.8mm?
Can a 110v machine run dual shield? Or does it need more power than such a small machine can provide?
Are those ear plugs hanging around your neck? If so, what brand are they and where can they be purchased?
Hey is JD using an ESAB helmet? What does he think of it? And what do you think of the 3350?
Excelente video brother