ASRock X670E Taichi Slots and Storage Overview of PCIe Lanes for Content Creation Rendering
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- Yes, We Answer Subscriber Questions! This is also about Content Creation Rendering! The Three Questions We're going to Address today, on this Motherboard, ASRock X670E Taichi! All about Slots and Storage and counting PCIe Resources from CPU and through the Chipset.
Question: Does this Motherboard Support DDR5 RAS ECC? YES according to current Bios Manual! See: DDR ECC Configuration
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Q: DDR5 ECC? No!
1. Can We Add a Quad card?
2. Which X670E Motherboard has 2 X16 Slots, Electrically?
3. ID USB I/O Back Panel Devices
Useable PCIe Lanes
The AM5 platform also includes up to 24 PCIe 5.0 lanes. AMD
This means that on the primary Chipset another four lanes are used up, leaving eight usable PCIe lanes, whereas the secondary Chipset has 12 usable PCIe lanes. techpowerup
1. 24 usable CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes
2. Promontory 21 - PCIe 4.0
A. 8 usable PCIe lanes, primary Chipset
B. 12 usable PCIe lanes. secondary Chipset
Slots and Storage Overview
Features
1. 2 Slots - CPU X16, Dual X8
2. 4 Storage - CPU 1 / Chipset 3
3. USB4 Video out
4. 20Gbps USB-C 2x2
5. 4 SATA - X67E Chipset
6. 4 SATA - ASMedia ASM1061 Chipset
7. Lightning Gaming Ports - Lower Latency Rear I/O Panel
8. Blazing M.2 Gen5 Fan Heatsink
AICs
1. Quad card - Requirements - X16 Slot, electrically and Bios Bifurcation
2. GPU
3. Thunderbolt 4 / USB4
Contents
1. Specifications
2. Motherboard Layout
3. Block Diagram
4. Shared Bandwidth - M.2 M2_2 & SATA
5. Bifurcation - PCIe/GFX Lane Configuration [PCIE1 Only]
Configuration options: [Auto] [x8x8] [x8x4x4] [x4x4x4x4]
A. Bios Bifurcation
B. Self Bifurcation
6. SATA - 8 Ports
A. 4 on 2nd X670E Chipset - 1 Chipset PCIe Lane per SATA Port
B. 4 on ASMedia ASM1061 Chipset - 1 PCIe Lane per 2 SATA Ports
Note: To minimize boot time, use AMD SATA ports (SATA3_1~4) for SSDs. [On 2nd X670E Chipset]
7. RAID Yes!
8. Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 Yes! 4 CPU PCIe Lanes
9. 20Gbps 2x2 USB-C to Front Panel on 1st X670E Chipset
10. M.2 M2_1 - PCIe 5.0; M.2 M2_2 - PCIe 4.0
11. USB4 - Uses different data encoding scheme to achieve 20 Gbps per lane and 40 Gbps when in Dual Lane mode.
Links:
1. ASRock - X670E Taichi
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2. AMD Zen 4 & Socket AM5 Explained- PCIe Lanes, Chipsets, Connectivity - TechPowerUp}
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3. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - AMD
www.amd.com/en/product/12151
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4. AMD Socket AM5 Chipset - AMD
www.amd.com/en/chipsets/am5
5. Gigabyte Unveils AORUS Gen5 AIC Adaptor with 4 Built-in NVMe M.2 Slots - News
www.gigabyte.com/Press/News/2018
6. ASRock - Blazing M.2 Gen5 Fan-Heatsink
www.asrock.com/mb/spec/produc...
7. ASMedia - ASM1061 Chipset
www.asmedia.com.tw/product/77...
8. Intel Killer Ethernet E3100 2.5 Gbps
www.intel.com/content/www/us/...
9. Intel JHL8540 Thunderbolt 4 Controller Product Specifications
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10. Seagate FireCuda 530 2TB Solid State Drive - M.2 PCIe Gen4 ×4 NVMe 1.4, speeds up to 7300 MB/s (ZP2000GM3A013)
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12. Glotrends Sky - Self Bifurcated - 4-Bay M.2 NVME Adapter, Support Non-Bifurcation Motherboard, Soft RAID, PCIE 3.0 X8 Bandwidth, with Built-in Fan
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13. Amfeltec Squid
www.amfeltec.com/pci-express-...
14. What is USB 3.2 Gen 2x2? - Kingston Technology
www.kingston.com/en/blog/pers...
"USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 is a multi-lane operation for new hosts and devices, allowing for up to two lanes of 10 Gbps operation to realize a theoretical 20Gbps data transfer rate.
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 takes advantage of all four lanes to achieve up to theoretical 20Gbps transfer rate."
15. StarTech USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 PCIe Card - USB-C 20Gbps - USB 3.0 Cards
www.startech.com/en-us/cards-...
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ASMedia ASM3242 host controller using x4 lanes of PCIe 3.0, this card is fully capable of speeds up to 20Gbps enabling fast access to high-performance devices like NVMe drives and SSDs.
16. Blackmagic Design Web Presenter 4K
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17. Sonnet McFiver Multifunction PCIe 3.0 Card
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You deserve a lot more views than the so called mainstream "reviewers" that don't present half of the relevant info. Thank you
Hi razyelleyzar,
Welcome! Just now seeing Your comment. Thank You very much! I'm honored. You'll never look at another Motherboard the same way again after realizing priorities vs smoke and mirrors.
I own this mobo, it was my first build. Just one minute in and i can tell im in the right place, glad to get some wisdom here, before buying a t7 shield to store my created content.
Hi@@monastery4090 ,
Welcome! Excellent! Good choice. Verify your throughput on that USB Port according to the Motherboard Block Diagram.
Thanks for the excellent in-depth coverage on these X670E motherboards.
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Just now finding Your Comment. The current crop of Consumer Desktop Motherboards are a mess from both AMD and Intel. A HEDT or Workstation are the Best options. Let's hope the next Generation of Consumer Desktop Motherboards fair better than this current Generation. Appreciate Your Comments! Lots going on!
This is a real motherboard review. And you don't even have or need the board. Outstanding. 👍
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Appreciate Your insight very much. You definitely understand. A Motherboard Analysis should be a priority before getting into anything else. We have to start our Quest with Research of Design vs Implementation. If those Specs don't line up with our priorities, no point in going any further. A process of elimination. Fascinating, right.
What a great video to stumble upon when considering to purchase a product (Taichi X670e). I learned a lot about shared resources and know exactly which slots to use for my new build. Thank you!
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Such a niche video, but goddamn you are a blessing. Thank you!
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Very helpful. Thank you!!
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as always great in depth videos, its great to know these new boards support full 4x4x4x4x on the first slot compared to last gen, and intels z690/w680/z790. i was undecided between the two platforms but bifurication seals it for me!
Hi King,
Welcome! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Yes a great review without the bs!
Hi carwash9431,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comment! Just now seeing this. No smoke and mirrors. An analysis of PCIe Resources is a Prime Directive in Our process of elimination. An explanation of said Specs and making sense of Design vs Implementation. We like to keep it simple and stay on point. You'll never look at another Motherboard the same way again after this.
Parabéns pelo excelente review.
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A bit late but just picked up one of these bad boys.
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Welcome! Solid choice. Did you know ASRock started out making Products for ASUS. Interesting. How's your system running? What's your primary application? Just now seeing Your comment.
love how straightforward and informative the videos are - i do have one quick question though: which *exact* heatsink does the m.2 take? the chart lists b650 taichi, and the x670e (non-taichi) - but not the x670e taichi itself! it's a pretty annoying oversight on their part, especially since it there isn't a part number in the manual.
Hi Big Nope,
Welcome. Good question. Appreciate your comments. Do you have the Motherboard? Inventory Your Parts. First choice would be to utilize what's included. Next option will be an add-on or after market M.2 Heatsink whether from ASRock or some thing else.
I finally understand,
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Welcome! Outstanding! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! Fascinating Topic! You'll never look at another Motherboard the same, now that You know what to look for! Beyond smoke and mirrors!
Hi Gill, Thanks for the video. Is there any chance you can do the B650E Steel Legend overview?
Hi JayzBeerz,
Possible but not likely since there are less PCIe Resources when We need more to avoid having Shared PCIe Resources. Thanks for Asking!
AMD Socket AM5 Platform
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Hi, I'm considering changing my MOBO to the X670E Taichi and was curious if the Top Slot for GPU shares PCIe Lanes with any of the nvme slots ? I've looked at the block diagram and if i've understood correctly, it doesn't. So just looking for a bit of clarity.
Thanks
Hi JCCFlying,
Welcome! Just now seeing Your comment. Yes, You are correct. That's one thing ASRock excells at, providing the Block Diagram. Obfuscation anyone NOT providing that documentation. Clarity confirmation.
Only found this channel recently, loving your content. Planned on getting a Taichi, just need a clarification about bifurcation. With the [x8x4x4] setting, they mean that the first PCIe slot is running in 8x and the 2nd PCIe slot is running with 4x4x, right? I can't think of a use case, where it would need to split the whole first PCIe into a 8x4x4x configuration...
Hi meekrophone,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! In Bios under PCIe / GFX Lane Configuration, X8X4X4 is useless. Only X4X4X4X4! That indicates Bios Bifurcation per PCIe Slot. That indicates per Slot. Remember there are 16 CPU PCIe Lanes to be Shared between 2 PCIe Slots. That's X8/X8. To reiterate the X8X4X4 is only on the Primary Slot. See next Slot Setting. 2nd Slot will have X8. And that 2nd Slot cannot be Bifurcated to X4X4. To reiterate, that 2nd Slot is only X8. Not ideal. Hope that explanation helps! You're right, Splitting or Bios Bifurcating the 1st Slot to X8X4X4 is not a good use of CPU PCIe Resources since 4 CPU PCIe Lanes are lost.
I'm 62 and what to purchase and build a gaming rig with my grandson. I hope to learn what the best parts to purchase for gaming and future proof but keeping things around 2k. Thx for sharing.
Hi The Grumpy Papa,
Welcome! Good Team Building experience for both of You! We Focus on Content Creation Rendering. However, this will do what You want! You're looking at probably a 3 year Consumer Desktop Computer in that range.
3 Primary Components, RAM, Motherboard and CPU.
1. ASRock X670E Taichi
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2. Ryzen 9 7950X COU
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3. Get only Memory for the Specific Model Motherboard QVL
www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X670E%20Taichi/index.asp#Memory
Recommend Kingston Brand. On ASRock QVL. Part Number: KF564C32RS-16
Kingston Fury Renegade Silver 16GB 6400MT/s DDR5 CL32 DIMM Desktop Memory Single Module. According to QVL, Supports 2 sticks, not 4 at that Speed.
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Lots of considerations regarding RAM Speed, Quantity and Density of Chips.
2 x 16 = 32GBs RAM
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For example, in a Slower Speed, but Denser, We would recommend the following based on QVL. Part Number:
16GBKF560C40BB-16
Kingston Technology 16GB 6000MHZ DDR5 CL40 DIMM Fury Beast Black
www.provantage.com/kingston-technology-kf560c40bb-16~7KIN9413.htm The other Source would be direct from Kingston.
Kingston Memory Configurator - ASRock X670E Taichi Motherboard
www.kingston.com/en/memory/search/model/105212/asrock-x670e-taichi-motherboard
For that Brand and Speed, Focus on Higher Performance Memory, Kingston Fury Memory. The options for RAM are vast. These are just a few options based on experience well suited to a new Platform such as DDR5.
Your next big ticket item is Your GPU or Graphics card. Either an RTX 3090 or RTX 4090. And You'll want to purchase a Quality PSU - Power Supply. Recommend: EVGA, SeaSonic, Super Flower or Corsair, Fully Modular. Above 1,000 Watts, PCIe 5.0 and ATX 3.0 Compliant for the GPU. Do You need links for those other Components as a Guide? You'll see how totals add up. More like above $2,500. Hope that helps!
I'm torn between this board and the ASUS ProArt. My main use case is to run Linux and virtualize windows for game dev and some light gaming. Any suggestions? Can the ProArt virtualize as well as the Taichi? Looking to try and do GPU passthrough. Ideally dual GPU so researching into this a lot and these videos have been a huge help. Thanks!
Hi Software Tools,
Great Question! Changing one thing can change everything! Appreciate Your Comments! This helps Us to make better Videos! Lots to consider! ASUS definitely has more Bios Settings. Check the Motherboard Bios Manual on each for GPU Pass-Through.This ASRock has better utilization of PCIe Resources from Our perspective. As for Dual GPU, each will be X8, electrically on any Consumer Desktop Motherboard. The CPU only has so many CPU PCIe Lanes to work with! As long as You're aware of that. If You want or need more CPU PCIe Lanes, that requires a Workstation CPU and Motherboard! With that You'll definitely have GPU Pass-Through for VMs! Hope that helps!
I'm dealing with a hard decision here. I bought a MSI x670e carbon wifi motherboard and a 7950x3d. I've tried the flashback bios feature in every way possible with and without anything installed, it just doesn't work. So now I am going to return the board back to amazon, but I don't want to have to deal with flashback again so I am going to get a different motherboard. I see that the asrock x670e taichi and the Gigabyte aorus master x670e both support the cpu out of the box when looking at the cpu compatibility section on their respective websites. I am stuck between the decision on getting the Taichi or the aorus master, do you have any advice on which one will be the easier one to setup?
Hello ScreamTard,
Welcome ! Let's start with what You have. Did You follow Procedures? Rename Bios. Boot from USB. Press Flash Button. Could be the USB Drive. Formatted FAT32? Try another USB Drive.
As for those other two Motherboards, depends upon PCIe Resource requirements. Which one best fits Your needs. We lean toward Gigabyte based on experience. Your Results may vary.
What do you think about AM5 pricing? Are the boards fairly priced for what you get?
Hi Liam,
Welcome! Interesting Question! Glad You've asked! The technology is fascinating! A work in progress. The price, inflated. A Workstation Motherboard such as a WRX80 Workstation Threadripper Pro Platform is a better value. However, DDR5 is clearly the future. But the growing pains at the expense of Consumers is frustrating. Our Goal is to Educate and Inform Viewers about Slots and Storage Resource allocations for Content Creation Rendering. Seems everyone wants to install additional Storage! What's Your Render engine? Maybe We can help! Working on next X670E Motherboard Video in Answering Subscribers Questions! Every Motherboard is different!
Thanks Gil for the deep dive. I do have one question tho. If you could pick between x670 taichi and X670 MSI Meg Ace, which one would you choose. I can get these boards for the same low price. I do plan on using the board for the duration of the socket. Thanks you
@@berndmiez5132 this is true or was true. I read on the forums that the problem with the lan port has been fixed with the latest bios
Hi NewN0ld,
Welcome! Just now seeing Your comment. Interesting question. Which one did you go with. Using Our Strategy of Analysis, what matters is which one best meets Your needs. Either one is a good choice. It's all about Design vs. Implementation. And Results. Duration of the Socket. Maybe. We think in terms of Chipsets since Chipsets rule.
Technology can change any perspective very quickly. This class of Consumer Desktop Motherboards are short term Motherboards. If you stick with a Motherboard in this category for 3 Years, you've done well. Something new will come along and you'll want that. We all do. Upgrades! Built-in obsolescence. Whereas a Workstation class Motherboard should last 5 years. Options. To reiterate, watch the Chipsets.
Hi@@NewN0ld,
Always Test and Verify. Results. Good point.
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Hi TyFiHi,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
If you were to run multi-gpu, I'm assuming if you were to run any m.2 slots it would be extremely slow and run 4x4x4x4 instead of 8x8? need 8x8 minimum for both gpus. I use them for blender and I would be using most of the m.2 slots.. I was HIGHLY considering this mobo as an upgrade but was unsure if it would be ideal.. thanks
Hi Madds,
Welcome! First, let's step back and assess Your Requirements. Do You want 2 - X16 Slots or can You utilize 2 - X8 Slots? If the latter is acceptable then on any Consumer Desktop Motherboard, CPU PCIe Lanes are Prioritized according to 1st Slot, 2nd Slot then M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. Then Chipset Lanes follow. The problem You'll encounter is Slot width of each GPU. Does that help? Each Consumer Desktop Motherboard has Shared PCIe Resources meaning not everything can be utilized simultaneously. Tradeoffs. For a Consumer Desktop Motherboard, 1 GPU would be preferable unless Your 2 GPUs are Water Cooled to reduce Slot width. Options! Changing one thing can change everything!
Thank You ! Very informative ! Is there an onboard graphics chip and where is that ? Which would certainly help ease overall home-building costs for personal users .
Hi Pretellier,
Welcome! Great Question! The AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Desktop Processors have 2 GPU Cores built-in to the Processor. On this Motherboard, that's how Video is Routed out through 3 different Connectors to Monitors, 1 HDMI and or 2 USB4 Ports. That makes Adding a Seperate GPU easier later for Content Creation Rendering.
AMD Ryzen 7000
www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen
Ryzen 9 7950X Full Specifications
www.amd.com/en/product/12151
See: Graphics Capabilities, Integrated Graphics, Radeon Graphics, 2 Graphics Cores. Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks ! Cheers BB !
Hi@@Pretellier,
You're welcome! Success on Your Build!
If you were to use an add a dual nvme add-in card (x8) to the second pcie lane limiting the primary slot to x8, would you be limiting the performance bandwidth a pcie 4.0 x16 GPU could provide to the chipset considering it is a pcie 5.0 slot??
Hi CyberMuse,
Welcome! Seperate CPU Lanes from Chipset Lanes. Looking at the ASRock Bios Manual, looks like only the Primary Slot can be Bifurcated. If that 2nd Slot could be Bifurcated, Yes a Dual M.2 NVMe Adapter could be installed. The Bios Manual indicates: PCIe/GFX Lane Configuration - Configuration options: [Auto] [x8x8] [x8x4x4] [x4x4x4x4]. Therfore, in that scenario, Yes a Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapter could be used in Primary Slot but no GPU in secondary Slot which would require using 8 CPU PCIe Lanes. The unkown, We don't know how this Motherboard would prioritize those Resources in that Configuration to Bifurcate Slot 1 with something in Slot 2 like a GPU. Risky! The key to making what You describe works would be to Bifurcate the 2nd Slot, preferably. Only way to know what You Propose would be to try and see what happens. Our expectations would be either the Motherboard would not Boot, if You're lucky or the smoke test. We are Accepting the Prioritization of Resources according to the Bios Manual expectations. Are You willing to try? Good luck! We do not advise trying! Travel at Your Own risk! The Chipset PCIe Lanes have no bearing on the CPU PCIe Lanes as it relates to PCIe Slots on this Motherboard. You're talking about a GPU of whatever Spec in a PCIe 5.0 Slot. A GPU using 8 CPU PCIe Lanes would be fine whether PCIe 4.0 or PCIe 5.0. The PCIe Bus is no longer about GPUs. It's all about M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives! However Motherboards prioritize GPU 1st then M.2 according to Resources. The 1st Test would be to install GPU in Slot 2 and Boot. 2nd test would be to Bifurcate Slot 1 and Boot with nothing in Slot 1. See what happens. 3rd test would be what You Propose. We're not will to risk those ramifications. The potential to ruin a Motherboard and maybe a GPU is not worth that expensive mistake. It might work but then what happens if does not? Those are assumptions We cannot advise being untested. Too great a risk. Hope that helps! The MSI MPG X670E Carbon WIFI is a better choice in PCIe Resource allocations. Our latest Video!
@@BuildOrBuyI see your point thanks so much for the reply! I'm getting more and more convinced to bypass this and get an asus sage wr80. 🤯
I'll give the MPG a watch! Keep up the great content!
Hi@@cybermuse6917,
Excellent! The ASUS WRX80 is the best Solution! And includes an M.2 NVMe PCIe Quad card! Hope You find the other Video helpful! Thanks for Watching! Appreciate Your Support!
Hi. I have so simple question, but nobody answer me. I have only 1 ssd m2 and I want just put it anywhere, but I don’t want to get less performance. Which slot can I use and where is it?
Hi Greggch,
Welcome! Excellent Question. To differentiate from an M.2 SSD vs an M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD. We'll focus on the later. Looking at the Motherboard Block Diagram, M.2_1 aka M2_1 is using 4 CPU PCIe Lanes. That's where you'll want your Primary M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive.
Location? Looking at the Motherboard Layout, M2_1 is the top M.2 Slot. Or right above the top PCIe Slot which is where your GPU will reside and also use CPU PCIe Lanes. You are good to go!
Thanks for this awesome video🤗🤗.....My question is How many PCI lanes does this motherboard has? ....................another one I want to plug 2 rtx4090 it's gonna to fit?
Hi Youssef Mobarak,
Welcome! The CPU has 28 Total, 24 Usable PCIe 5.0 Lanes. The 1st Chipset has 8 usable and 2nd Chipset has 12 Usable PCIe 4.0 Lanes.
www.amd.com/en/product/12151
2 RTX 4090s? Depends upon Slot Width. And each GPU would ideally have 8 PCIe Lanes per GPU. Also remember, the RTX 4090 does not support NVLink. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking! Success on Your Build!
Thanks Gill, great content and discussion points.
You mentioned in the video that it is possible to get 3 monitors through the IO panel without having a GPU.
I am having difficulty understanding how this is possible and what quality/resolution would be possible by doing this.
I have only ever considered using a GPU to connect multiple monitors. Maybe processing power required for 3 x 4K monitors @ 60hz is not as high I perceive.
You have mentioned on a couple occasions recently with displayport alt mode that a cable from the GPU to the IO panel helps with monitors. I don't understand why going to the IO panel and not direct to a monitor adds value?
I run 3 x monitors from my RTX A4000 GPU plus the remaining port to blackmagic ATEM mini for screen capturing. I then have 2 USB-A to HDMI emulators to push the other 2 monitors to the ATEM Mini for recording.
I am beginning to think based on your comments that there might be a better way to manage my setup.
Hi Murray,
Welcome! Great Questions! And Smart Setup using anything Blackmagic! The Ryzen 9 7000 Series Processors currently Listed, all support DisplayPort Alternate-Mode. On this Motherboard, there are 3 Video Outputs.
1. HDMI maximum resolution up to 4k 120Hz
2. 2 USB4 Ports maximum resolution up to 8k 60Hz. That's a lot of data pumping through those Ports.
Yes, Onboard Video is integrated in the CPU. 2 GPU Cores. Not enough for Rendering but good enough for Video Output!
Using Pro Gear like Blackmagic requires either SDI or HDMI. HDMI is easy with a Decimator MD-HX Cross Converter. We use a Blackmagic ATEM Video Switch as well! Fascinating topic and technology!
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X
See: Full Specifications, Graphics Capabilities
www.amd.com/en/product/12151
A Cable from GPU to I/O Panel is to route Video out of GPU, back in through DisplayPort IN if available to Route Video Back OUT through Thunderbolt USB4 which seems crazy but that's how it works. And those who do that are adamant about the capability! Thunderbolt does not have Video. Video has to be Routed In to be Routed back Out.
Keep Your current setup. It works!
Hope that helps! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy that's sounds like DP Alt mode might be restricted to the AMD processors? I am currently running a 12900k but researching the latest AMD technology.
Although video content is part of my requirements the video content is all about single threaded CAD software where getting the highest core frequency is priority number 1.
Hi@@FliesEyes,
AMD supporting DisplayPort Alternate-Mode Mode is a feature of these new AMD Ryzen 7000 Series CPUs. Intel supports DisplayPort Alternate-Mode through Thunderbolt from what We've seen. Whereas AMD has support through more options at this time!
And now Overclocking to get those Faster CPU Cores! Interesting to note, on an AMD Consumer Desktop Motherboard, CPU Core Count stops at 16 CPU Cores. Whereas Intel now has 24 CPU Cores but the PCIe Lane count remains the same. More PCIe Lanes and Higher CPU Core Count, Workstation! Now for a Workstation that supports Overclocking! Not all do! Fascinating exploring the different Render engine Optimizations!
Our Rendering Requirements are easier to define using the Adobe Rendering Formula. Have You used a Xeon? Currently using 12900k, 16 CPU Cores. Would You be benefit from more CPU Cores?
@@BuildOrBuy we have moved away from Xeon in recent times in search of frequency. They did get close to parity a few years ago but the new hybrid pCores and eCore and higher frequency has pushed us way from Xeon. Cloud and GPU rendering with the likes of TwinMotion does switch the balance of focus. It seems having a machine that is heptathlete, strong but not strongest in any specific single application is my need.
I have also found running scripts on local fast SSDs direct to the CPU improves completion times.
We are considering using the Blackmagic NAS storage (thunderbolt or 10gb not sure yet) for CAD models to allow a team to access.
Using nVidia grid to provide us access this compute power from anywhere we think might be our best solution.
What do you think of their z790? The Asus TUF 670E doesn't have the PCI 5.0 x8,x8. Same board completely different.
Hi Claus Bohn,
X670E Chipset Supports Full Bifurcation whereas Z790 does not.
1. ASRock X670E Taichi
Has X8/X8 Slots
2. ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-Plus
No X8/X8 Slots.
3. ASRock Z790 Taichi
Has X8/X8 Slots
List Your Top 5 Requirements and see which one measures up to Your Expectations. Changing one thing can change everything!
@@BuildOrBuy Can you cover the ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard. I am looking for a board that is future proof for dual 4090's and PCI 5.0 M.2 for fast access. Bif is not that important for me.
Hi@@clausbohm9807,
ASUS ProArt Z790-Creator WiFi - Has Dual X8 Slots. M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives are all PCIe 4.0.
www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/proart/proart-z790-creator-wifi/techspec/
AMD X670E Chipset
www.amd.com/en/chipsets/am5
- 24 CPU PCIe Lanes
Primary Chipset has 12 Usable PCIe Chipset Lanes
Secondary Chipset has 8 Usable PCIe Chipset Lanes.
Chipset Supports PCIe 4.0.
4 PCIe Lanes connect CPU to Chipset
Intel Z790 Chipset
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/229721/intel-z790-chipset/specifications.html
- 20 CPU PCIe Lanes
Chipset has 28 PCIe Lanes
Supports PCIe 3.0 & 4.0
8 DMI Lanes connect CPU to Chipset
Neither Chipset Supports ECC DDR5. Hope that helps!
Gill, what may be a better option for a tinker or overclocker wannabe? This Taichi or the MSI ACE? Ordered both and want to know what order to cancel :) I know this one is cheaper, so not really a price issue... which one would be funner to own.
Hello William Pessoa,
Welcome! Depends! All Motherboard Manufacturers are grappling with Bios issues over CPUs and DDR5. These are growing Pains getting Us ready for next Generation DDR6! The I3C Bus alone is a major upgrade from the I2C Bus! And long overdue! The simplest implementation would be the MSI ACE. No Thunderbolt to hassle with. Do You need or want Thunderbolt? Furthermore None of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500.00. Beyond that We're approaching either a HEDT or a Workstation class Motherboard with Dedicated PCIe Resources. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Gill this is VERY helpful. You are awesome. Thank you!
Hello@@TheBrazilWill,
I'm honored! Solving Problems and Providing Solutions!
Hello. what do you think about asrock b650e taichi
Hello petrica gaman,
Welcome! Interesting Question! Not enough PCIe Resources based on Viewer Questions We're always Answering!
Thanks for the review, which has convinced me buying this board. However, I do have a lot of issues with it, which I was able to track down to the ASMedia Controller responsible for supplying the other four SATA Ports. When connecting my SATA Hard Disks to them, I do get frequent Driver-Powerstate Errors resulting in BSODs with my Windows 11 OS (even after a fresh install). This does not seem to happen, when connecting the same HDs to the other X670E chipset controller. Is there anyone out having this board featuring the same probs? I got another hint to enable the HIPM Setting in Poweroptions but I actually think such things should run out of the box
Hello Peter,
Welcome! Absolutely agree, everything should work out of the box. Such as it is with a secondary Controller chip. Hassle! Appreciate Your Comments!
@@BuildOrBuy Hi, here is my finding so far:
I found a driver for the ASMedia 106x Controller on the internet. Once I have installed this, I had no more BSODs so far. On the other hand I do no longer hear the Harddisks waking up so I have the suspicion if the driver did not just keep them awake all the time irrespective of Windows power management settings sending them asleep when idle for a given time - BSODs are only appearing when switching from asleep to awake with the power request not being answered in time.
I am in contact with ASROCK to get this analysed.
Greetings. If i use the M.2_1 slot, will my graphic card still run at 16X using a Ryzen 9 7950X?
Hi Mario Vincenzo Giuliano,
Welcome! Great Question! Yes! ASRock made a wise choice of CPU PCIe Resources! In Motherboard PDF Manual, see: P. 15: Block Diagram. M.2_1 is Dedicated! And forget about the 2nd PCIe Slot. That's Shared! Hope that helps! Enjoy Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy Thats great. Thank you for the fast response! So pratically i can fill the board with all M.2 slots and still enjoying full 16X from the PCIe slot 1. Thats impressive!
Hi@@Daimyorus,
Good timing today! ASRock made decent choices for a Motherboard with Shared PCIe Resources. According to the Block Diagram, on Primary Chipset - M.2_2 is OK just don't use SATA3_A1! I'd be leary of SATA3_A2. But You can Test and Verify! That's a weird, Shared Chipset PCIe Resource setup through there. On Secondary Chipset M.2_3 and M.2_4 are both Dedicated. For what it's worth, USB4 (Maple Ridge) to CPU. Those are 4 PCIe 5.0 Lanes going to Maple Ridge Chipset. Maple Ridge Specs state X4, PCIe 3.0. Interesting PCIe Lane usage configuration.
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for this great video. I am not a native English speaker, but I hope that I have understood everything correctly. You mentioned the second PCIe slot. Will the upper PCIe slot be downgraded no matter what you put in the second slot? I have one or two PCIe cards with older connections like PCIe to IDE or PCIe to Firewire. They just have PCIe x1. Normally I always put such cards in the third slot, but there is no third slot on this board.
Hi@@Tyrennt,
Welcome! You are Correct! If anything is placed in 2nd Slot, both Primary and Secondary Slots will Share 16 CPU PCIe Lanes. Therefore, each Slot becomes X8, electrically. Bummer, right. We definitely need more PCIe Lanes! Hope that helps!
which motherboard is best for Amd Ryzen 7 7700x & Rx 6800xt for gaming and content creation rendering?
Hi Undisputed,
Welcome! Good question! Tough call. Every Motherboard lays out PCIe Resources differently. That's the reason for Our Motherboard Overviews! You're using a Consumer Desktop Motherboard with Shared PCIe Resources vs a Workstation Motherboard with Dedicated PCIe Resources! Do You have a Brand Preference?
@@BuildOrBuy I am thinking for Asrock Steel Legend. but I love Asus ROG.
Hi@@muscledigital,
We have Overview Videos for:
1. ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero
2. ASUS X670E Extreme
Working with Shared PCIe Resources there's always give and take. Lots of Connectors but not everything can be utilized simultaneously! Hope that helps!
Thank you Sir for this amazing video, Im scared of anything Asus lately even though it was my first choice for boards always, but after those recent scandals with BIOS and Asus boards literally frying cpus and rams, i really dont want to put 700$ cpu into anything Asus, so Ive come to conclusion that I only have two choices for 3d design , USB4 connectivity for TB audio interface and audio design and game development and those would be 1. Asrock x670e Taichi and 2. Gigabyte Aorus x670e Master, ( which has usb4 add in card) Based on your vast experience and knowledge do you think Asrock is any shape or form is built cheaper and is using cheaper components than Gigabyte? and which would you choose out of those ? Thanks, Best regards - Dave
Hi Dave,
Welcome! Just now seeing Your comments. Crystal Ball. In retrospect, Vendors were pushing too fast without AMD direction. Tsk tsk on both sides. None of that should have happened. But it did. Ouch. Both are or were responsible.
Going forward, remember ASRock started out making Products for ASUS. Interesting question in terms of perceived quality. Also consider in terms of sales. And then historically in terms of AMD vs Intel. Lots to consider. Based on that speaking to your Questions, yes I have my preferences based on experience however, I prefer to start every search based on Design vs Implementation 1st. With that being said, having used every brand, on AMD, Gigabyte 1st. But I still start out using the Prime Directive as stated then go from there. Every Motherboard we look at has fascinating choices made. Some choices are odd. Some Implementation choices make sense. By prioritizing Design vs Implementation helps to stay focused on what, why, how and results. AMD does the best Design on utilization of PCIe Resources. ASUS historically does the best with Implementation.
However, We've had the best longevity with Gigabyte on AMD. As always, results may vary among different Users. Fascinating right. To reiterate, great questions. Now which did you choose and why.
@@BuildOrBuy thanks, Ive got Asrock taichi carrara, cause of white build, it has integrated usb4 inputs, great power phase design, included fan for the nvme pci5 ssd (which gets 75c with passive heatsink) i hope asrock is also great with longevity, it was so far flawless plug and play basically, Cheers
Hi@@davemaverick8438,
Fantastic! Time will tell. Until your next major upgrade.
Hi i m planning to build a PC for game dev and already ordered 7950x+Tachi 670x, can you help me with some advice?
Hi Akarsh,
Welcome! Congrats on Your Build! What can We help You with to achieve Your Goals? What's Your Render engine?
@@BuildOrBuy Unreal 5, Maya , Unity. My main question is about GPU and DDR5 ram in the build. Can i do production work on these softwares with an AMD gpu like 6900xt or RDNA 3.
2nd is, like what should i look for in a ram kit. Something in between premium and mid range
Hi@@akarshadithya5479,
Two Parts of Your Question, 1st... GPU.
All 3 of those at this time, have meager GPU Requirements. Considering the longevity of Your Build, AMD has reworked their OpenGL Drivers! For stability of Drivers suggest AMD Pro Radeon over Consumer.
The best Rendering Formula is from Adobe and focuses on 3 Items, CPU Cores, RAM and VRAM. That's the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula which states:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
2nd part, DDR5 RAM. We're working on a Video to specifically address DDR5 since this is new and confusing as it relates to ECC DDR5 and Non-ECC DDR5.
1. Differences? Requires a Video Response. Follow Motherboard QVL and RAM Manufacturers List that they have Validated to work on Your Motherboard and Compare!
2. Who benefits? Everyone! A Part of Our Video Response to understand and explain benefits, requirements and the technology involved! DDR5 is the future! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for your advice
Hi@@akarshadithya5479,
Always consider the Source. Perception and Perspective! Glad We could help! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Success on Your Build!
This is just too much information for me right now. Can someone tell me the TL:DR will the 4 slot m.2 adapter card work with the X670E tachi? lol
Hi Mycal,
Welcome! Great Question! Specifically which one? The short answer, depends. The longer answer requires explaining in what specific scenario it will work - No GPU. Due to PCIe Resources.
@@BuildOrBuy The bifurcation was what I was curious about which you covered. So tyvm!
Hi@@mycaI_,
Excellent! Glad We could help! Good You understand Bifurcation. Most do not.
Quick question,,,,best mobo for the money for 7800x3d, gaming only,,,budget max 250$ or so...no overclocking,,, appreciate any feedback! Subscribed...
Hi gezimlimoni,
Welcome. Brand, MSI. No frills. Model, depends upon Resources required. I'm honored!
@@BuildOrBuy For MSI then leaning towards B650 Tomahawk or Gaming Plus,,which one? Or X670 any MSI that price range if you would list it for us, please? No specific requirements, just basic one need and pure gaming only!
Hi@@gezimlimoni2319,
All depends upon your requirements based on resource allocations. Which one best suits your needs. Only you can make that decision.
@@BuildOrBuy thank you very much for your reply!
Hi@@gezimlimoni2319,
Yes. Which one are you going to use?
So you think this motherboard is the best one of all?
Hi Ace,
Welcome. Define best. Every Consumer Desktop Motherboard has tradeoffs. The ideal Motherboard is a Workstation class Motherboard. Where everything can function simultaneously instead of optionally. Yrs, this is a good Motherboard. ASRock made logical choices to implement according to the Chipset Design. MSI has the cleanest layout by eliminating options. Which Motherboard did You use previously?
@@BuildOrBuy I used the MSI x670e GODLIKE and im not very happy with it
@@BuildOrBuy a lot of the reviews talk about the ASrock being the better one
Hi@@aceace6001,
Up for conjecture. Remember: ASRock started out making Products for ASUS.
Sorry too distracted by the loud shirt 😅
Hello Scott Tait,
Welcome! We Solve problems and provide solutions! Thank You for Your Comments.
Got the Taichi for 400$
Hopefully it will be better than Steel legend
Hi ionnicoara6657,
Welcome! What does your experience tell you? Please share. Just now seeing Your comment. 1st all about Design of PCIe Resource allocations then does the Implementation meet or exceed your expectations.
@BuildOrBuy idk to be honest. Pc doesn't feel sharp. Is it amd or is some of the components I have no idea. It's not booting fast. Next build asus and intel 100% for me
Hi@@ionnicoara6657,
Aha! Perception and Expectation based on prior Experience. Slow Boot does not equate Slow Performance. Tweak Your Bios. Memory Training. In Motherboard Bios Manual, see: DDR Training Options. Changing one thing can change everything. New Platform. Intel same. DDR5 is a new Animal. Growing pains.
@BuildOrBuy I did all that. Changed windows, swapped gen 5 nvme with a gen 4.
Pc is water cooled.
It could be the ram idk anymore
Hi@@ionnicoara6657,
Clean install of Windows?
Gteat
Hi james wubbolt,
Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments and Support!
Good information, terrible presentation.
Good presentation. Lol this motherboard presentation shows me getting an Intel is a NOGO. I wish there was a consumer grade 24+4 pcie setup. I would think that would be easier to equip. Oh well at least I really understand what I can hook up and now I know I can't just populate everything. Makes me wonder about my current setup. But lucky I got this taichi motherboard arriving in 3 days. I think this motherboard will help me achieve constant single digit latency. Fucking great!
Hi@@metabang03,
Welcome! Very asute observation. Smart choice. AMD does a better Design for PCIe Resource utilization. Appreciate Your Comments. Just now seeing this. How's your system running?
Cool channel.
A question:
How fast can the taicho board expo ddr5 ram? Specs say 6600 PLUS OC.
but when I look at arock taicho manual there are very few ddr5 memories compatible with expo and the highest is 6200.
So whats the deal here, is it worth buying for example ddr5 8000 for this mobo or will it never work to the highest speed with expo?
Thanks.
Hi Tom,
Welcome! Much Appreciated! Great Question! You're talking about Leading, Bleeding and Cutting Edge Technologies. We always recommend sticking to QVLs. ASUS has tested up to 6400 on X670 and up to 7800 on Z790. The point, QVL vs how far do You want to push stability. This one day will be so much easier using ECC. DDR5 is very much a work in Progress. From On-Die ECC DDR5 which is NON ECC to DDR5 ECC Sideband which is Parity over I3C Bus from RAM to Motherboard. What's advertised and what's possible can differ greatly. Crystal ball forecasting... Everyone's working on getting there. Growing Pains! The only way to know is to try. Expect Bios Updates to accommodate RAM Stability at Speed. As Specific as possible given the circumstances. Samsung B Die was the best on DDR4. To reiterate, DDR5 is a new animal. Hope that helps! Perception and Perspective! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
@@BuildOrBuy Great answer, thanks.
Right now Im looking for fans though. Imagine the dineros the first company will make if they take those lian li infinity mirror fans and make an extra version with reversed flow so that you dont have to have half your case fans with the ugly side out.
How on earth didnt anyone think of that yet?
Hi@@Pyriel2,
Absolutely! Good timing. Have You contacted Lian Li and proposed to them Your idea? We're all about Function. Those are Function and Form.
@@BuildOrBuy They dont have a means of contacting them. So naturally I proposed said idea to phantek and zalman instead. If you skip on contact information you get no ideas from the public.
Business darwinism 101.
The first company that produces them will see me buy 11 fans from them right away.
Hi@@Pyriel2,
Interesting and odd. Thanks for the Info! Let Us when they grab that and run with it!