I am of the opinion, that googling "Stockholm syndrome" should absolutely redirect oneself to this video. 😂 (But props for actually coming in with an unheard theory and hot takes!)
Hey Amber hiw it been. I hope you're having a wonderful Wednesday. I can't say he's a hero. But he's a great written character. Because he isn't a one dimensional character. There are so many layers to him. I think Doflamingo is one of the most interesting characters not just One Piece but in anime and manga. When you introduce to him nothing about him stand out except his design. But as you go further into the story you get bits of information about him that makes you want to know more about him.As you get insight inside his beliefs in the Marineford Arc. Then we get into the 2nd half we get his backstory of being a Celestial Dragon, his past with Law all the way to his defeat at the hands of Luffy. Something tells me his brief appearance into the story tell us that Oda has something in store because what some may forget after the end of Marineford Arc when he attacked Gecko Moira. Moria ask why attacked him and his respond was someone higher in World Government. Since we never got a confirmation as to who he's working with. This may be the time to reveal who he's working with. Even tho my guess is the Five Elders or someone else who may appear later on in the story. But anyway I hope you have a lovely day. Stay safe, stay positive, stay blessed, take care and stay amazing Queen of the Pirates.
I understand others possibly thinking this take is crazy and I don’t completely disagree, but I do think it is possible. Almost every character Luffy has beaten has become redemptive in some sort and have fought along our side at some point. There are only a couple that haven’t - Enel and probably Lucci (and that might change). As for Kaido, we also know that Kaido was waiting for Joyboy’s arrival and if Kaido does potentially return it’s possible he will also be on the side of Luffy. And if Luffy is trying to take down the world government/Imu, it’s possible Doffy will also be on our side. I think another interesting tidbit about this is the S-Flamingo or Doffy’s seraphim. Maybe the Seraphim can be the new betrayer/evil while Doffy does somewhat turn. I still don’t think Doffy is redemptive since he enslaved, killed, tortured, disabled, and sold people into slavery and I think the same for Kaido. It’s hard to say for sure what their role will be moving forward. But I appreciate the discussion point and I think it’s an interesting topic to discuss.
Woah! The idea of the seraphim taking on the evil role of Doflamingo and Doflamingo turning over a new leaf would be pretty awesome! Now that has me thinking about how cool it would if the former warlords actually got control over their seraphims . I am assuming that since the seraphims are a piece of them, that if they could take over controlling them, they would be able to create some crazy chaos.
While I agree that Doffy definitely seems linked to a bigger plan/mission and while his actions MIGHT be justified to fit that mission (except for Corazon, he can't be excused for that lol), he'll ultimately still be an evil manipulator with a logical intention to save everyone, ala Thanos. My primary reason is Luffy's speech about how he can hardly breathe at the thought of someone like Doflamigo because of how controlling and oppressive he is. He may be trying to change the world for the better, but he's no better than the celestial dragons before him.
Interesting arguments for sure! And if anyone were to pull off this overhaul of motives, it would be Oda! But I don’t really think Doffy would ever fully fall under the alignment of good (using dnd logic). He’d be neutral at best. I agree with you that as a child, there are many ways he was wronged, and there could have been a chance to turn things around. It goes along with my belief that all children need to be protected and guided to make the future better. That is what I love about the Rosinante foil. Unfortunately, he was taken under the wing of an adult that fostered the malice and hateful entitlement that had already taken seed in him. Therefore, as a grown ass man, I don’t think he has any excuse to justify the extreme harm he has done to people. Could he end up redeeming himself one day? Sure I guess, but I don’t think it’s ever be for the greater good. He’s seems to me to be some one who believes he is the greatest “good,” and will do whatever he has to to come out on top. Even if that means siding with the Strawhats somewhere down the line. I love your theory crafting though!
Sure! You can technically justify anything with various arguments. However, not everyone meets the criteria for every argument/defense. Here, I personally feel that there are possible (albeit, unlikely) context clues that could lead to Doflamingo fighting for the greater good. That being said, I’m sure there are a lot of defenses that could be applied to Doflamingo, this one just seemed like a crazy, but possible one to me!
Never underestimate Oda and the intentionality behind the origin of characters and concepts he utilizes in his series. Having never heard of the Yaksha, but now being more familiar with it, a turn around for Doflamingo is definitely possible. I still think he's evil, but he could end up being an ally of circumstance, like Crocodile was during Marineford. As for how it could happen, I'm definitely thinking that he might become a part of Cross Guild since it seems to be, at the moment, a group spearheaded by three former warlords (which is also where I could see Moria or Weevil end up), and I don't foresee Cross Guild being an antagonistic force to the SH after the One Piece was claimed and after Zoro defeated Mihawk when going into the final war with the WG. I originally thought he could never be allies with Luffy and the others, but that definitely makes me rethink a bit his role moving forward
I never thought about him joining the Cross Guild before - but now, I love that idea! That would actually fit in perfectly with story, and it would create a pretty unstoppable team!
I dont think he is a good guy but Doflamingo actually has a great defense. 1) He had legal rights to rule over Dressrosa. Nefertari family still hold their rights to their kingdom even after loss of their status as Celestial Dragons. Donquixote family never gave up their rights over their kingdom 2) His crimes were pardoned under his title of warlord. Till he was defeated, an admiral was there to witness all of his crimes and he just stood by. If he wasnt breaking the deal back then then it still stands after his defeat 3) His dealings with other yonko was not only known by WG and marines, but they even bought massive amount of seastones and other things through him
This is wrong in so many ways. First the Donquixote left Dressrosa, so from that point on, they didn't have any right. Less "Legal rights". The World Government is the institution of Law, and they didn't gave the Donquixote family Dressrossa rights(mainly because they don't want it), and less to Doflamingo specifically. Why are you assuming that Doflamingo part of the family with the rights of the Throne of Dressrossa? Who to say that Mjosgard or his father have more of a claim to it(You see the problem of talking about claims after generations, in this case 800 years). His crimes came all back when the institution of Shichibukai was dismantled, why do you think they got hunted and their bounties not only reinstated but increased? The Admiral just stooding by, is a problematic point to the Admiral, not the institution of Law, and what that means for his actions. "If he wasnt breaking the deal back then then it still stands after his defeat" - It doesn't, that is why they sent him to prison His underground dealing wheren't known by the WG, nor were they accepted in the shichibukai dealings. It was just CP0, an intelligence organization from the World Government, that new about it. Just because one section of the Government(more when we're talking of global government), knowns about illegal deals and doesn't do anything about it, doesn't mean the rest of the government accepts it. For that you have the point of Fujitora, that when he heard Ceaser call Doflamingo "Joker" he said that was problematic for Doflamingo. And why Doflamingo "changed" the conversation as fast as he could.
@@bigivel Hard disagree on most of these as from what we saw in examples of Sorbet kingdom, Moria and others. Mjosgard side have authority over Dressrosa too, but when Dofy side arent CD anymore, Dofy has claim to throne as king, but kings still have lesser authority than CDs which Mjosgard side still would be Then there are minor things like Dofy was arrested before shichibukai system was dismantled, he never changed subject with Fujitora, he shut him down with- come up with solid evidence, CP0 work directly under and only for CDs, Fujitora did everything he was allowed to do and things like that But from manga we know for sure that ONLY reason they arrested him was to save face as his dealings were leaked to neighboring islands. If Dofy was given a fair trial against the World Government the institution of Law, he demolishes them. There is not one excuse they could give about how they got a material in huge quantities thats only made in yonko territory. They all knew, they not just looked the other way, they partook in it heavily like slave trade at sabaody archipelago
Honestly, Magellan is probably just keeping an eye on level 6 after the breakout. He's no longer head warden so keeping an eye on the most important prisoners (including Doffy, a celestial dragon) after the breakout makes a lot of sense to me. There's a lot of down time, so they probably did develop a bit of friendship. Doffy is definitely not _truly_ evil, he was groomed into the role. One Piece really has a lot of grey area for characters and that's why Doffy is so beloved. Cora got groomed to be good by Sengoku. It's a mirror of the brothers that both had potential to be truly good and truly bad. But also, it's very likely he... ahem.. *forced* himself on Violet... and that kind of person is never acceptable in my eyes (i'm also looking at you, Absalom, I still haven't forgiven you for slurping on Robin and assaulting Nami). Oda in an SBS mentioned theres a lot of _emotion_ in Dressrosa and those two have a very complicated relationship, which implies a bit of SA (whether that's stockholm syndrome or just... you know). I don't want to talk about that part anymore lol
@@AmberAlise Oda made it pretty clear in an SBS that there was an intimate relationship between Violet and Doffy. If you recall she even kind of hints at it when she attacks him and he’s like “just because of our history you think I won’t”
@@AmberAlise His words were "I can't talk about why they have nicknames for eachother, that's an _adult_ topic not suitable for one piece". I'd wager that's as close as we're going to get to confirmed hookups w/o kids involved lol
I'm also just assuming if they did sleep together, there's a high likelihood that Violet was not consenting to sleeping with the man who destroyed her family. but they spent a lot of time together, and passion is as passion does
Stop "lawyering" psychopaths lol. But for real your analysys is good but wrong chatacter. If you do this defense to Kaido it applies more. Even the Kaido-Yamato relationship is better than Cora-Doffy in the sense that even though Yamato was a "traitor" Kaido kept him alive and still "prepared" Yamato for the future
This is wrong, unhinged, and beyond out there. With that said I loved every second.
😂😂🤍🤍
I am of the opinion, that googling "Stockholm syndrome" should absolutely redirect oneself to this video. 😂
(But props for actually coming in with an unheard theory and hot takes!)
I CAN’T! 😂 This comment is AMAZING! 😂
someone cooked here
Why thank you! LOVING the podcast!
Distraction when he literally run the largest human labor force chain in the planet.
Keep cooking... Love it here
Hey Amber hiw it been. I hope you're having a wonderful Wednesday. I can't say he's a hero. But he's a great written character. Because he isn't a one dimensional character. There are so many layers to him. I think Doflamingo is one of the most interesting characters not just One Piece but in anime and manga. When you introduce to him nothing about him stand out except his design. But as you go further into the story you get bits of information about him that makes you want to know more about him.As you get insight inside his beliefs in the Marineford Arc.
Then we get into the 2nd half we get his backstory of being a Celestial Dragon, his past with Law all the way to his defeat at the hands of Luffy.
Something tells me his brief appearance into the story tell us that Oda has something in store because what some may forget after the end of Marineford Arc when he attacked Gecko Moira. Moria ask why attacked him and his respond was someone higher in World Government. Since we never got a confirmation as to who he's working with. This may be the time to reveal who he's working with. Even tho my guess is the Five Elders or someone else who may appear later on in the story. But anyway I hope you have a lovely day. Stay safe, stay positive, stay blessed, take care and stay amazing Queen of the Pirates.
Great point about Moria Rob!
Doffy is gonna go back to his crazy toxic ex Crocco and they are gonna make Cross guild even more menacing and chaotic
Amber definitely went through that phase of trying to change the bad boy 😂😂
Dope content
This take is so hot it cooks itself.
I understand others possibly thinking this take is crazy and I don’t completely disagree, but I do think it is possible. Almost every character Luffy has beaten has become redemptive in some sort and have fought along our side at some point. There are only a couple that haven’t - Enel and probably Lucci (and that might change). As for Kaido, we also know that Kaido was waiting for Joyboy’s arrival and if Kaido does potentially return it’s possible he will also be on the side of Luffy. And if Luffy is trying to take down the world government/Imu, it’s possible Doffy will also be on our side.
I think another interesting tidbit about this is the S-Flamingo or Doffy’s seraphim. Maybe the Seraphim can be the new betrayer/evil while Doffy does somewhat turn. I still don’t think Doffy is redemptive since he enslaved, killed, tortured, disabled, and sold people into slavery and I think the same for Kaido. It’s hard to say for sure what their role will be moving forward.
But I appreciate the discussion point and I think it’s an interesting topic to discuss.
Woah! The idea of the seraphim taking on the evil role of Doflamingo and Doflamingo turning over a new leaf would be pretty awesome! Now that has me thinking about how cool it would if the former warlords actually got control over their seraphims . I am assuming that since the seraphims are a piece of them, that if they could take over controlling them, they would be able to create some crazy chaos.
While I agree that Doffy definitely seems linked to a bigger plan/mission and while his actions MIGHT be justified to fit that mission (except for Corazon, he can't be excused for that lol), he'll ultimately still be an evil manipulator with a logical intention to save everyone, ala Thanos.
My primary reason is Luffy's speech about how he can hardly breathe at the thought of someone like Doflamigo because of how controlling and oppressive he is. He may be trying to change the world for the better, but he's no better than the celestial dragons before him.
Interesting arguments for sure! And if anyone were to pull off this overhaul of motives, it would be Oda! But I don’t really think Doffy would ever fully fall under the alignment of good (using dnd logic). He’d be neutral at best. I agree with you that as a child, there are many ways he was wronged, and there could have been a chance to turn things around. It goes along with my belief that all children need to be protected and guided to make the future better. That is what I love about the Rosinante foil. Unfortunately, he was taken under the wing of an adult that fostered the malice and hateful entitlement that had already taken seed in him. Therefore, as a grown ass man, I don’t think he has any excuse to justify the extreme harm he has done to people. Could he end up redeeming himself one day? Sure I guess, but I don’t think it’s ever be for the greater good. He’s seems to me to be some one who believes he is the greatest “good,” and will do whatever he has to to come out on top. Even if that means siding with the Strawhats somewhere down the line.
I love your theory crafting though!
If doffy does anything that could be even partially conceived as morally grey or good, I’ll buy a feather boa and eat it
You can justify just about anything this way if you have a sad backstory and say it's the "greater good".
Sure! You can technically justify anything with various arguments. However, not everyone meets the criteria for every argument/defense. Here, I personally feel that there are possible (albeit, unlikely) context clues that could lead to Doflamingo fighting for the greater good. That being said, I’m sure there are a lot of defenses that could be applied to Doflamingo, this one just seemed like a crazy, but possible one to me!
Never underestimate Oda and the intentionality behind the origin of characters and concepts he utilizes in his series. Having never heard of the Yaksha, but now being more familiar with it, a turn around for Doflamingo is definitely possible. I still think he's evil, but he could end up being an ally of circumstance, like Crocodile was during Marineford. As for how it could happen, I'm definitely thinking that he might become a part of Cross Guild since it seems to be, at the moment, a group spearheaded by three former warlords (which is also where I could see Moria or Weevil end up), and I don't foresee Cross Guild being an antagonistic force to the SH after the One Piece was claimed and after Zoro defeated Mihawk when going into the final war with the WG. I originally thought he could never be allies with Luffy and the others, but that definitely makes me rethink a bit his role moving forward
I never thought about him joining the Cross Guild before - but now, I love that idea! That would actually fit in perfectly with story, and it would create a pretty unstoppable team!
tl;dr: i can fix him
I dont think he is a good guy but Doflamingo actually has a great defense.
1) He had legal rights to rule over Dressrosa. Nefertari family still hold their rights to their kingdom even after loss of their status as Celestial Dragons. Donquixote family never gave up their rights over their kingdom
2) His crimes were pardoned under his title of warlord. Till he was defeated, an admiral was there to witness all of his crimes and he just stood by. If he wasnt breaking the deal back then then it still stands after his defeat
3) His dealings with other yonko was not only known by WG and marines, but they even bought massive amount of seastones and other things through him
This is great! I have never seen these points laid out this way before. I love it!
This is wrong in so many ways.
First the Donquixote left Dressrosa, so from that point on, they didn't have any right. Less "Legal rights". The World Government is the institution of Law, and they didn't gave the Donquixote family Dressrossa rights(mainly because they don't want it), and less to Doflamingo specifically. Why are you assuming that Doflamingo part of the family with the rights of the Throne of Dressrossa? Who to say that Mjosgard or his father have more of a claim to it(You see the problem of talking about claims after generations, in this case 800 years).
His crimes came all back when the institution of Shichibukai was dismantled, why do you think they got hunted and their bounties not only reinstated but increased?
The Admiral just stooding by, is a problematic point to the Admiral, not the institution of Law, and what that means for his actions.
"If he wasnt breaking the deal back then then it still stands after his defeat" - It doesn't, that is why they sent him to prison
His underground dealing wheren't known by the WG, nor were they accepted in the shichibukai dealings. It was just CP0, an intelligence organization from the World Government, that new about it.
Just because one section of the Government(more when we're talking of global government), knowns about illegal deals and doesn't do anything about it, doesn't mean the rest of the government accepts it.
For that you have the point of Fujitora, that when he heard Ceaser call Doflamingo "Joker" he said that was problematic for Doflamingo. And why Doflamingo "changed" the conversation as fast as he could.
@@bigivel Hard disagree on most of these as from what we saw in examples of Sorbet kingdom, Moria and others.
Mjosgard side have authority over Dressrosa too, but when Dofy side arent CD anymore, Dofy has claim to throne as king, but kings still have lesser authority than CDs which Mjosgard side still would be
Then there are minor things like Dofy was arrested before shichibukai system was dismantled, he never changed subject with Fujitora, he shut him down with- come up with solid evidence, CP0 work directly under and only for CDs, Fujitora did everything he was allowed to do and things like that
But from manga we know for sure that ONLY reason they arrested him was to save face as his dealings were leaked to neighboring islands. If Dofy was given a fair trial against the World Government the institution of Law, he demolishes them. There is not one excuse they could give about how they got a material in huge quantities thats only made in yonko territory. They all knew, they not just looked the other way, they partook in it heavily like slave trade at sabaody archipelago
Honestly, Magellan is probably just keeping an eye on level 6 after the breakout. He's no longer head warden so keeping an eye on the most important prisoners (including Doffy, a celestial dragon) after the breakout makes a lot of sense to me. There's a lot of down time, so they probably did develop a bit of friendship.
Doffy is definitely not _truly_ evil, he was groomed into the role. One Piece really has a lot of grey area for characters and that's why Doffy is so beloved. Cora got groomed to be good by Sengoku. It's a mirror of the brothers that both had potential to be truly good and truly bad.
But also, it's very likely he... ahem.. *forced* himself on Violet... and that kind of person is never acceptable in my eyes (i'm also looking at you, Absalom, I still haven't forgiven you for slurping on Robin and assaulting Nami). Oda in an SBS mentioned theres a lot of _emotion_ in Dressrosa and those two have a very complicated relationship, which implies a bit of SA (whether that's stockholm syndrome or just... you know). I don't want to talk about that part anymore lol
You’re saying Doflamingo may have done that?! What?!
@@AmberAlise Oda made it pretty clear in an SBS that there was an intimate relationship between Violet and Doffy. If you recall she even kind of hints at it when she attacks him and he’s like “just because of our history you think I won’t”
@@pontiusthepilot I definitely need to go back and read that! I never knew there was such a negative implication tied to that 😭
@@AmberAlise His words were "I can't talk about why they have nicknames for eachother, that's an _adult_ topic not suitable for one piece". I'd wager that's as close as we're going to get to confirmed hookups w/o kids involved lol
I'm also just assuming if they did sleep together, there's a high likelihood that Violet was not consenting to sleeping with the man who destroyed her family. but they spent a lot of time together, and passion is as passion does
Stop "lawyering" psychopaths lol. But for real your analysys is good but wrong chatacter. If you do this defense to Kaido it applies more. Even the Kaido-Yamato relationship is better than Cora-Doffy in the sense that even though Yamato was a "traitor" Kaido kept him alive and still "prepared" Yamato for the future
You all are hilarious!! 😂
Interesting point about Kaido! I can definitely see what you mean!
Her for the future Yamato isn't trans she just identify with being Oden like a cosplayer