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Can only imagine how insufferable it would be to have a lead role in a show built around a friendship that includes someone you wouldn’t even want to be friends with
I mean Jamie and Adam from Mythbusters didn't like each other but still kept a cordial work relationship. So it's definitely possible that (haven't seen the video yet) they did something similar.
It is a job at the end of the day. They didn’t have to work together. I will admit I am glad the show existed since it has always been a favorite of mine.
Jennette McCurdy's mother wasn't just highly controlling, she was also physically and sexually abusive to her from an early age through her teens, even through all of ICarly. It's the reason she has no good memories of the show and doesn't want to return.
Its actually absurdly fucked up that they would make Sam a glutton with an abusive mother while Jennette McCurdy's had an eating disorder and her mom would constantly abuse her
@@enotsnavdier6867 Nah I think I'm just biased because I grew up with Rocko and Zim and shows that had actual creativity. Also there's something about a laugh track on a kids show that made me hate everything.
Bro did not plead guilty to absolutely heinous shit? The girl lied about her age, and her story was ripped apart and drake was proven to have stopped contact after he found out her real age, and then she still stalked him
And this is a year old video on a topic that the media exaggerated about drake. And the media also did not go back to explain the details of the case as the facts came out.
It's like Littlefinger in GOT. He's very amicable in person but hides a lot of vindictiveness and a grudge but he won't explode about it. He'll manipulate his way into getting what he wants.
I love how Charlie absolutely DECIMATES his keyboard whenever he types. Like I envision the keys flying everywhere as his fingers punch through the entire thing, sparks shooting out of it as he leaves holes behind all throughout the keyboard.
There’s nothing wrong with just saying “we used to be great friends, and I’m disgusted by who he turned out to be.” Like…by blatantly lying about ever being close it just makes Josh look weird lol
I’m guessing he’s just really trying to disassociate and distance himself as far away from Drake as possible because of the shit he did. Definitely agree with your idea
With who Drake Bell is, anyone would want to distance themselves from him. Doesn't make him weird "Ah yes, I'm friends with a sex offender!" Would you wanna say that? No, didn't think so.
@@skechyassmofo There's "I'm no longer associated with this person after finding out what they did" and then there's "I was never actually friends with this person despite the overwhelming evidence that I was". A loose comparison would be to whenever a politician is caught for corruption. People who were associated with them and benefited from said corruption would do everything they can to pretend they never as much as had lunch together, when in reality they were fully aware of what was going on and benefited from it. The normal reaction would be to say you're no longer friends with them. The odd reaction would be to pretend you were never friends with them in the first place.
Jennette talked extensively in her book about “the creator” (Dan Schitthole) being emotionally manipulative and insanely creepy. She sites a lot of f’ed up stories about him on set and how made a kid cry when he fired him, he used to take her out to one on one dinner “dates” and pressure her to drink and say gross creepy shit to her all night. He even told her she’d only get her own show if she did everything he ever asked of her…. Fucking nasty. There’s a lot in there and the book is a great read, especially if you’re as fascinated by the twisted underbelly of the entertainment industry as I am😅
I wouldn't say I'm fascinated by it as it's more disgust than anything but I really am curious as to what the fuck is going on in hollywood to where so many people are pedophiles. I also wonder how many of the celebrities I enjoy hearing about are actual child diddlers.
I just finished the book! Very interesting read. The strength she has to overcome all that is insane. The shoulder massage and leg grabbing made me wanna puke 🤢 Plus the fact that so many people along the way saw problems but didn't step in. Just awful.
@@Hank.Will.I.Ams. glad to hear you agree it was worth the read! Truly harrowing stuff it really made me wonder how much stuff these producers/big wigs get away with that isn’t being written about…..
Jennette has said on her podcast that she worked with an emotionally abusive producer who would yell at the cast and tell them if it weren't for him they would be working at yogurtland. She never said it was Dan but you can put 2 and 2 together.
Yeah, especially with reports of him being controlling and shit. Also, yogurtland doesn't even sound real. That sounds like a location made up for iCarly or something. Dan's probably the one behind all of most of his shows as producer, director, etc. Even scripts, probably.
this is all while she and others were literally early teenagers (13,14,15) so they absolutely wouldnt be working anywhere if not for the lack of child labor laws in relation to television. shit was so fucked
I feel so bad for Jennette McCurdy. Through that whole generation of memories we all had she was suffering, it's hard to think about and so unfair. It also sucks that Nickelodeon will never really pay for the behavior they allowed and the monsters they still enable.
Fr missed out on good old mtv days that will never be the same again sittin on the couch watching music videos,celebrity death match,Andy milonakis show, beavis and butthead stuff we won’t ever see again on a tv
Did everyone forget years ago when Josh didn’t invite drake to his wedding and drake got butthurt about it and complained on social media and it turned into a huge thing?
I never knew McCurdy and Sam were so alike. The character Sam had an eating disorder and an awful mother. Must've been pretty awful for her to play the character.
And just like ghoulish that the writers actually ridiculed their own child actors for their own traumas like what the fuck, to an audience of other children and we just all thought it was ok. That whole show was just so fucked up.
Ok, dan schneider being the damn creep he is, is obivious But mccurdy and sam being so alike, is just straight up disturbing, and the child actors being ridiculed for their traumas is just only further proof that nickeloden is an alternative to hell
Well, iCarly was a great show and relating a character with very important and emotional subjects to the actor or actress is a big part of making it feel real even if it's nickelodeon. Sad that things had to be too real here, though. There's the episode where they go to bail her mom out of jail, but I'm sure McCurdy would've preferred her to stay there.
I thought Jennette McCurdy said that Dan Schneider “tried to help with her eating disorder” by making her character Sam obsessed with food. I’m pretty sure she said that just ended up making it worse/ triggering her.
Oh, I didn’t know he was trying to help her, I thought that was to mock her. It’s a little better imo if his intention was to help. The road to hell is paved in good intentions. He’s still a bad guy outside of that situation, though.
Seems a bit odd to suggest helping someone's eating disorder by making their character obsessed with food. Of course that wouldn't have helped her cope with it lol.
Honestly as a kid I remember watching Drake and Josh and just never being able to get through the show without getting so heated about the way the characters treated Josh. I'm not so surprised to hear that they really didnt get along in reality.
You do realize there are plenty of people who work together and seem to like each other on shows who hate each other in real life right? That’s why it’s acting. So the friction in real life isn’t connected to the show
I remember watching that episode of Drake apologizing to Josh as a kid and was so damn sad. Weird that they could hate each other and have such great chemistry on screen.
Crazy how people at work don't have to like each other to complete tasks. Wild how teammates can win games in sports without liking each other off the court/field. But most shocking of all is this one!! ACTORS ACTING in a show and not liking each other outside of there acting roles on screen 🤯🤣🤣
@@danielfonseca4283 to a degree it almost seems like a "bless your heart" kinda thing though lol, like you gotta be a bit naive to not know that money ruins relationships
While the money is a factor I feel like their friendship ended because rob was just really upset with big that he didn't want to keep the show going. Like in rob's case he did the majority of the work for the show for years and then big just doesn't want to do it anymore. I can see how someone can be upset about that, while the show was built around their friendship Rob dedicated just as much time building that show to what it was.
With Jennet McCurdy, her book (I’m glad my mom died) gave a huge amount of insight to the terrible conditions of child acting. She discussed her eating disorders (encouraged wildly by her mother), and Dan schmiders manipulation. She mentions at the end of the book that nick TV offered 300k (I believe) as hush money
@@nyxknight7555 are you asking why I said “I’m glad my mom died?”? If so, it’s the name of her book; the front cover is her carrying an urn with a grin on her face
@@megan2133you're proud of her saying that she's glad that her mother died? Just because she didn't get what she wanted as a child, you think it's acceptable that she sits there and acts like it's "Good thing" that her mother died? Just because she's an ungrateful little brat? She isn't the most important person in this universe FYI
Not saying josh is justified, but he was probably bullied and made fun of constantly or the joke of every joke for the longest time and has a lifelong grudge against that era and everyone involved.
He wrote a book called "Happy People are Annoying", wherein he basically describes his distaste for being the butt of the joke all the time as a result of being obese. He claims that while it was cool sometimes, it was more of a job to him than anything, especially given how poor he was and how little the show paid after fees. You can imagine having your cringey, overweight childhood become an international sensation.
"Josh Is Done" was an insane episode. Josh's running-gag rash went away after he cut Drake out of his life, he got better grades, he actually became friends with his boss, and he got to have awesome hangouts with his friends. And then he went back to Drake just because he said he's sorry? His life will be shitty again, just because of his toxic stepbrother. Lmao.
One thing that stuck with me is that, Drake looked at that reboot script, saw himself portrayed as a loser and a failure in his ambitions, and _that_ wasn't what he criticized. But the stereotypical cartel stuff was the line in the sand. Say what you will about Drake, he fucked up _badly._ But seems like he was okay with being the punching bag, just not pissing all over his audience.
I know man, becasue he wanted to respect his Mexican audience, and that is commendable! Oh btw, most of the accusations are thrown off the court and he is apparently not guilty. But he has to be careful from now on. And he has to move on from Josh and see the person of who he really is.
@@D_YellowMadness What guarantee do we have that either of them is a more reliable narrator than the other? I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt sooner than I am to deride them for something I have no information about.
He has a sucessfull career in Mexico. It's not exactly offensive for him. The Mexican stereotype theres no way to know if its either to respect his audience or to not loose money.
seems a bit perfect to me, very farfetched like that josh would come up with this horribly offensive script that specifically targets Drake's most prominent fan base etc to be honest it seems like a situation where Drake saw Josh constantly lying about him and so he was like "well alright fuck you I can do that too"
I like it when creators leave in them talking to chat. Like Markiplier. Even if you can’t see chat you can get the context by the way the creator is reacting.
@@lullabyybabyy5406 So? It's not a big research project, he just wants to get a general overview of things. He goes more into depth into things he's more interested in. It's just a casual stream, no need to go deep into everything.
Josh gives me the impression that he's just the fakest friend you could possibly have and that will backstab you with no mercy the second he sees you're a "problem" to his image, such a shame really.
bro you never fucking met the dude what the fuck are you talking about. sorry but judging someone entirely off of how you feel in such a harsh way says way more about you then the person your talking about.
@Kavetion Claiming you are better than Jesus Christ, who starred in the Bible and Hunger Games, is the most blasphemous claim any human has ever made, off to the shadow realm you shall go
@@Iku00"who starred in the Bible and Hunger Games" What? XD I have read the Hunger Games so many times do not recollect Jesus starring or even being mentioned in the series. Lol
Drake is definitely an incredibly creepy dude but Josh seems like he's a pretty bad guy also. Like Charlie says there's just something about Josh that doesn't sit right.
Agreed. He could just release a statement saying they use to be close. I don't really know how hard it would have been to say, "yes. We were super close then I found myself slowly drifting away and there was no real reason. It was just because I felt we were outgrowing each other but we tried to reconnect; it was okay but it was not the same as when we were kids. Maybe it's just that we weren't the same people anymore but then the news came out and I can no longer support him anymore at all. I'll always treasure the friendship we had but I don't see myself being friends with him anymore" I don't know! Was that so hard?! Am I crazy?! Oh well.
I've always loved both Rob and Big so much, this just fortifies how awesome they both were. Rob is surprisingly a genius business man and seems to be extremely hard working. I think its so cool that he singlehandedly had an entire network by the balls because its usually the other way around
There is another video that disproves this one. Drake and Josh continued to hang out a lot after their show ended, and even multiple times (on camera) after the wedding. Yet Josh claims he never hung out with Drake before or after the wedding (which is proven false by their vlogs together after the wedding). I am not saying they were super close, but they were definitely what most would loosely define as "Friends"
@@sinisterwombat3128 A bare minimum of camaraderie is my standard, but what you mentioned is a nice ideal. Oh, and a lack of emotional manipulation and abuse in the case of Icarly. Or a lack of sexualizing minors in the case of Zoey 101.
I found this to be the saddest video I’ve seen in awhile. Forced to pretend to be friends with someone you’re not friends with, having emotional scenes without the emotion, along with possibly having bad relationships with producers and/or crew members, seems like a form of torture. I hope that both of those guys found happiness.
The actor for drake (I think? It might be josh, idk I didn't watch the show) groomed a girl I remember there being a court case about it during the pandemic
17 minutes in and it just sounds like josh was depressed as hell growing up. if he did suggest the josh and drake show than itw as probably a "im finally above you. i finally am not the butt of jokes as the fat kid" situation.
Holy shit. And all this time, I thought Drake was the villain of the story, but now I'm getting whiplash because Josh is turning out to be the secret main antagonist here!
Not really all these videos dive super hard into other people's lives with a microscope even though they don't know them. Imagine having your life scrutinized. Less and less should people care about their lives but everyone gets so invested in all this to just talk shit for no reason. They were celebrities as kids who made mistakes and nobody has grown up with that same life. We all fuck up and there's no reason to care to this extent.
@@johnham14 literally these people act like someone’s online presence is their entire life. It’s weird as fuck but I got to remember most these people are 14-19 so I feel a lot less bad
@@starkiller0219 A lot of these people grew up watching the show as kids so it’s definitely jarring to see how the reality of their relationship could’ve been. I know it was for me because just like Charlie, I was also convinced they were best friends off camera and it wasn’t until this video about their lives off camera that I got to see behind the show.
Not gonna lie, Rob Dyrdek finessed the shit out of a dying cable network. It was brilliant. Imagine Bam if he had just half of the business savvy that Rob has.
child stars and famous people are regular people before becoming famous so really it speaks to all of us that they are not decent human beings. like really that could be us, don't you agree?
@@wotsthis8148 child stars aren't regular people before fame. They are children. They don't know better. Then they grow up with yes men everywhere cause their famous. It ain't the kids fault guy.
@@wotsthis8148seeing that children has highly underdeveloped brain since your brain doesn’t fully develop until 25-26. Imagine not even what’s not a develop adult by legal standard faced in the world of things like paparazzi and pr.
@@fanetooo I kind of feel like he's doing that to stray away from the bad Drake has done as to not be a part of it. But, only they have the true answers.
Drake has had his troubles and we all saw his allegations and his guilty plea. But I feel like Josh isn’t the perfect happy go-lucky guy, He really seems incredibly fake.
he only pleaded guilty because he did have conversation with her and that’s all the plead was about, did he have sexual messages with her and he did but that was before the fact he knew her age because she had lied about her actual age to him.
@@Tylercantsleep Yeah, not sure why everyone keeps glossing over this part. Even Charlie himself just ignored what the video said and went "Yeah, he's repulsive, he plead guilty."
@@NatePhan You never escape an allegation like that. No matter how much evidence supports your innocence people love to create their own realities. It's why Charlie's channel, as much as I like watching it, can be a bad thing sometimes. He doesn't get all of the information. He did something similar with Dark Viper's react script that he read basically none of and summed it up to his viewers as "oh so reactors are rapists". He had to deal with so many people not knowing what they were talking about because of that ignorant summary. They've made up and did videos together after the fact but it was Charlies fault why that drama happened in the first place because his massive community dwarves his in comparison and that was the impression left on them about Dark Viper.
To be fair, that pretty much describes most actors. Their literal profession is being fake on camera, so would it be a reach if their profession leaked into their actual personality?
@@stevenlegend4402i think they mean Josh defending Dan Schneider. Interestingly Drake said Dan was the only one who called him to make sure he was ok, but the fact that Dan still has a lot of huge issues of his own which Josh refuses to acknowledge is a bir shady
They were definitely friends, even if they weren’t best of friends they hung out and talked frequently. I think Josh just didn’t like the negative attention Drake was getting and wanted to completely rid himself of Drake.
I've always said Josh had something Erie about him! He seems extremely two faced and kind of like Kenneth Copeland how his eyes look like something else is in there lol
as someone whos followed this intensely for years, specifically jennettes podcasts and sides of it all, jennette never said anything positive out of her own will about dan schneider. ariana did, she defended dan saying he didnt do shit to jennette (essentially). ive always disliked her for that. its hard for me personally to let go of that, even if jennette herself ever says she forgives her, i still dont think i could. just imagining myself in jennettes shoes? thats soooo messed up of ariana. thats all. im sure you can simply look up 'arianas statement on dan schneider, sam & cat' or keywords alike that, you will find it. i dont expect any form of acknowledgement for this statement or shit all really, just hope this helps clear up the confusion bc you seem MAD CONFUSED abt that lol.
@@miguelruiz4613 it’s called Empty Inside. She hasn’t made any episode for a bit, but its been like only 9 months since she was still consistently keeping up with it. Not many viewers/listeners for what I think she deserves after what she’s been through, but that’s life.
People defending their abusers is not all that uncommon. Not that Arianna isn't obviously wrong for doing it to someone that was supposedly her friend, but they were all very much abused by Dan so I don't particularly think it's for us to judge their responses to trauma. I've seen people arguing about this like it's a damn football match - "team X, Y, Z" - it's ridiculous.
I followed Josh for a bit on social media in the early 2010s and was just general put off by it. It always felt like the kid who was a loser now trying to act like the cool kids. Not to say he was a loser, just that it seemed like he was trying really hard, and seeing him lying like that kinda makes me feel like i got the right impression
That’s a good point. But even if true, can you really blame him? I can’t claim to know his experience but for me in my life I absolutely did not fit in during HS years. And honestly it caused problems for me and a little bit of a resentment as well.
@@cheesedip1 yeah same here. I used to be really angry and resentful when I was a teenager. it happens to everyone on difference scales. I'm sure being the butt of every joke gets exhausting after awhile. he seems to have emotionally gotten carried away as a result of it though.
@@99SLEEPYBLUE living in judgement is one of the many flaws that people can have. so if you wanna be radically accepting of everyone no matter what, you’d have to include everyone who lives in judgement as a part of that. live and let live. let people live the way they want to, whether on the internet or otherwise. it’s not going away anytime soon just because we don’t like it :)
@@99SLEEPYBLUE Christ this message wasn’t even directed towards me but it still changed my perspective on my judgement’s on people. I had gotten so used to people making judgements on others in mass that instead of feeling disgusted on how other people could just feel free to criticize every aspect of another person’s life. I had just recently started to normalize it in my mind justifying it by deluding my self that it was was correct even if I knew deep down that I still felt somewhat uneasy on how people who most likely had the same flaws could just mass hate on one individual on which they have no connection with and who they don’t even know what their effect and others like them are having on the person they are chastising. So thank you once more even if nobody else listens to you and just makes a assumption that your some dude who is deluded himself it doesn’t matter at least you changed somebody perspective have a good day man people should strive for a more honest perspective on the people around them. :D
You're kidding I suspect, but...honestly this theory would explain this entire drama start to finish. Many of their actions are straight out of the closet-case distraction ploy playbook. And the few slip-ups they've made really come across like the behaviour of a scorned lover. It's all so weird and not how average straight friends/co-workers/'brothers' relate to each other.
The fact that you don’t feel like Joshs eyes match the energy of his mouth when he smiles doesn’t surprise me at all. I feel like there was something off about him as well after he lost all of that weight. You’re totally right though. His eyes are not happy when his mouth is trying to convince people around him that he is. I feel like there’s a deep rooted depressed victim from being bullied and not having a father.. that depressed victim overtime only turned into something essentially that is only coming to my mind as what would be stale anger or something. An anger that is so old that’s been lingering for so long that most have gotten somewhat okay around it and slowly forget which is messed up and sad. Stuff like that could be super dangerous.. hopefully he doesn’t have a twisted side to him. That’s all I’m gonna say Edit: I just wrote this right before I see how Josh wanted to remake drake and Josh as Josh and drake
Losing weight is weird. I don’t have experience with it, but I have discussed the feelings people have after losing weight, and it’s very hard to deal with. Suddenly, everybody is paying you attention and they are giving you compliments whereas before, you were just “that chubby kid.” You feel like your worth is tied to your weight, and you go through a lot of complicated emotions and self image problems.
This video proves to me there were no "Good Guys" in this story Drake was clinging to his glory days for years, even feeling like he was owed to go to Josh's wedding, until he ended up getting caught for doing something despicable. Josh feeling inadequate decided to make a show depicting Drake as a loser and stereotyping his fanbase before saying that he wanted to do nothing with Drake, despite numerous instances otherwise.
(In relation to the Rob Dryden Christopher Big point) Friendship and work doesn’t mix. Most musical artists find this out when they have to go on the road for 250 days a year in hotel rooms or tour buses. No longer the friends you were when you started
Watching this 2024. Thanks for this. Josh Peck is a jerk and because of public pressure he had to comply to reach out to drake so he wont go through cancel culture. He thinks his history can be erased its everywhere him making sure everyone knows between him and drake bell is nothing but a colleague trying to erase the good friendship they had admitted to the public. 10:10 you are absolutely right dont ignore your gut feeling. Thats how i felt when i first saw josh pec in youtube. Its how he carries himself.
He has the same smile of a friend i had for 14 years and had to cut ties with, and she was oficially diahnozed eventually as bipolar and schizoaffective and lacked epathy and just was a perpetual self obsessed person, super competitive, and she would just use you as was convenient to her....same exact smile, it's uncanny
@@magical571 but at least you be kind and cut ties without publicly shaming her in the process or even wrote several scripts to convince a tv show where it heavilly insulted towards the drake character and overglorifying josh character showing the biasness and clearly jealousy.
I think the lie that they weren't friends was Josh trying to distance himself from Drake considering the allegations. As you can imagine being associated with someone who is accused of sending questionable messages to minors is something that can be damaging to reputation and image.
This bitch was upset because she was blocked by Drake & that is why this man was FALSELY accused of sending pictures to her, but the investigators didn't find any proof of inappropriate messages or pictures. People really need to stop believing everything they read on the internet and do actual fucking research!
Never liked Josh outside of the show. He, James Corden, and Jimmy Fallon have something in common which I can't really put my finger on. Extremely insufferable.
9:53 when you say he smiles but his eyes don't. It's crows feet. You can tell if someone's smile is genuine by the crows feet around the eyes. If they don't, it's a fake smile.
no you can tell by the corner of the mouth to, if it points towards. The corners of the mouth point towards the bottom of the ears on fake smiles and up to the outer corners of the eyes on real smiles.
@@ronaldjustin518 yeah these two things go together. As you say, when the corners of the mouth go up towards the corners of the eyes, they create lines and folds around the edge of your eyes. These are called crows feet.
It left me feeling weird as a kid too. My dad hated watching that show with me, because “Drake always wins and gets away with it.” Finally, we see Drake lose and in the end it doesn’t change the dynamic or anything really. He apologizes and then it’s back to a shitty existence for Josh. Don’t even get me started on how badly my dad hated iCarly hahaha that was more my little brother’s era.
What Josh came up with was really how he feels about drake. It seems like he took the original script to the original show personally even though drake didn’t write it and now that Josh life is better he wants recognition for it by doing a reboot
“Drake was gonna be a failed musician. And Josh was gonna be a successful real estate agent.” Really goes to show Josh couldn’t handle being second to Drake even back in the Amanda Show days. I like both, but wow.
@@varunsreedharan5347 Good point, but i do have the feeling that Josh could pull up some of this wack ideas, because he always felt he was under the Drake's belt, even the fact that they got close again, was "forced" by the exposed about the wedding invitation
@@varunsreedharan5347 I mean its really in line with the humor of the Vine crowd he was hanging out with...Remember the Paul brother movie Charlie talked about on his Channel a while back? yeah, same vibe.
Meh, I think this direction was pretty natural for their characters from original show. It’s almost cliché. Great at school, bad at adulthood, bad at school, good at adulthood.
It's the same "tom cruise" thing that inspired Bale on how to play Patrick Bateman. Just absolutely no warmth or kindness there. It's like watching a cobra rising.
Ya at first I thought he was talking about Drake and I was like alright ya but I mean look at Josh his eyes look so fake and then I noticed he was talking about Josh actually and ya.. Cause he'll be rewarded for never maturing. For never understanding or learning that other people actually matter there's other people you selfish asshole
sad how someone could be this judgmental over how they perceive someone's eyes. Can you imagine someone saying shit like this about some aspect of your body and claiming you're some kind of horrible person purely because of their own implied emotions.
@@joedatius what's sad is getting a notification of a comment just from liking it Like come on I don't care But fr tho, your name tells me shut up Joe mama
Just to be clear: the clip of Josh saying "We're all good," was part of a skit on the video where they start yelling and fighting each other right after. It's supposed to come off as fake because it's a skit. IDK how you wanna interpret the rest of the video based on that, but it's important to note. It seems like the story out there has a lot of interpretations that might be overdramatized. I don't think Josh is a bad person, just kind of an idiot. Drake's done some shitty stuff, but imagine being rich and famous as a child working under Dan Schneider. Shiiiiit, I'd be fucked up, too. Not a defense of his actions, but it's fair to say that Drake might not have turned out the way he did if he just had a good group of people around him to keep him level.
My personal assessment from observing this unfold on the interweb over years is that Josh is simply taking the path of least resistance the way he answers the questions about their relationship; like it’s important for his own image to maintain the facade
Or simply that he understands that the mystery and back'n'forths between the two is what was interesting to begin with. To keep this up is what keeps the interest going as well (in the end a win/win for them both), a magic trick is only amazing if you don't know how it's done.
@@T3n50r for the magic trick, not really. something doesn't have to be mysterious, to be amazing. there are plenty of magic tricks that you can know the trick for, and still think, "thats fucking amazing."
My favorite Dyrdek quote is from his Nine Club interview, he said "I am the highest paid skateboarder in the industry if you compare my tricks filmed to how much I've made"
You have no idea the amount of confidence you have as a kid. I remember being a chubby kid who would just talk the ears off a room of people. Present day me is an anxious, introverted mess.
As a kid, anxiety was worse. However, I was more prone to be oblivious to reality and would be silly to combat my shyness. As an adult, reality is more clear and the past was kinda cringe. I said some things dumb as a kid.
I can imagine Drake's path from young man to grown adult was beset with fangirls and positive affirmation, while Josh was the "chubby comedic relief". When you look at how actors who play those roles tend to change as they grow up (slimming down, refusing to let people joke about their weight), you see a lot of misery. I don't doubt there was a lot of bad blood between the two.
i mean he said it himself he was gonna look it up anyway but still asked just in case anyone in the chat already knew to save time or just for the sake of theorizing for fun
I didn't really care for Rob's stuff but my brother did and I really liked the friendship he had with BB. However I'm happy he has come so far and all his hard work has paid off.
Mythbusters' Adam and Jamie aren't friends either, but they were professional enough to act like they are on camera and work flawlessly with each other. Really, it just shows the professionalism of the 2 actors to work well together despite not being friends.
@anthony It is definitely just because so many times fans would ask where Jamie was, if they were friends, if they still hang out, so to stop the questions preemptively. I can understand getting asked the same questions over and over and wanting to just get the message out there.
I love that that we also got an absolute beautiful desert with the rob video too damn I love Charlie's openess to watch and learn anything and interact such a gem 🖤
Feel as if Drake and Josh have transformed into two beings of great disrespect, with Drake being a alleged predator and Josh just being Slightly egotistical and eerie. Sad to see legends go, but that's life.
I could see that with the eyes. I get that a lot too, life has been rough for me as it is for a lot of people. Sometimes what you are seeing is pain. Deep, deep pain. We pick ourselves up, put on a mask and smile but that’s not truly what we feel on the inside.
I can imagine having a very public childhood framed as an unattractive looser who's the punchline of most jokes while your co-star was the cool lady's man ...... would do some very messy things to your ego. I don't know if he's got an "evil side," but it would be fair to assume he harbors some serious resentment. I probably would too.
That's what happens with these high school TV shows. They keep this hierarchy mentality. If you ain't the guy, you just the guy under him. Guys being guys, it leads to egos clashing. When in reality, those guys exist but they don't consume the entire school. I don't even know who the cool guys were at my school, I remember just a bunch of fights between blacks and Hispanics. We had about 3 riots in freshman year, and 2 in sophomore.
@@nonyabusiness2032 It sucks, but it's true. It's also the burden of a public childhood vs. an average childhood. EVERYONE makes fun rather than nobody caring. Your high school sounds like what mine would have been, if I didn't move to the newly developing suburbs in Arizona. But the high school experience I got had a pretty clear hierarchy of cool kids vs. dweebs. The lack of violence or bullying between groups made us care less about it, though. We just kept to our friends and ignored everything else.
Can only imagine how insufferable it would be to have a lead role in a show built around a friendship that includes someone you wouldn’t even want to be friends with
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I mean Jamie and Adam from Mythbusters didn't like each other but still kept a cordial work relationship. So it's definitely possible that (haven't seen the video yet) they did something similar.
It is a job at the end of the day. They didn’t have to work together. I will admit I am glad the show existed since it has always been a favorite of mine.
only 3 out of 17 replies arent bots 😒
Jennette McCurdy's mother wasn't just highly controlling, she was also physically and sexually abusive to her from an early age through her teens, even through all of ICarly. It's the reason she has no good memories of the show and doesn't want to return.
Its actually absurdly fucked up that they would make Sam a glutton with an abusive mother while Jennette McCurdy's had an eating disorder and her mom would constantly abuse her
@@zerothefool2437 WHAT THE FUCK???
She didn't have any fond memories because the show was horrendously bad and unfunny in addition to being a thinly veiled display of fetish porn.
@@adabsurdum5905 It was a kids show, so of course it's not super funny when you've grown up.
@@enotsnavdier6867 Nah I think I'm just biased because I grew up with Rocko and Zim and shows that had actual creativity. Also there's something about a laugh track on a kids show that made me hate everything.
Bro did not plead guilty to absolutely heinous shit? The girl lied about her age, and her story was ripped apart and drake was proven to have stopped contact after he found out her real age, and then she still stalked him
It was probably going to be worse if he didn't.
And this is a year old video on a topic that the media exaggerated about drake. And the media also did not go back to explain the details of the case as the facts came out.
@@johanherrera4055 well no shit but he aint fucking with no minors
Well this was 2 years ago lol
10:03 “when he smiles, his eyes don’t” THATS SO REAL, I’ve been trying to put this into words for years and you did it for me Charlie! 😂
Me too!!! I was astounded hearing someone else explain why Josh is a little off putting! I've thought that for years!
9:53
Btw that scene was a david dobrik skit
same
It's like Littlefinger in GOT. He's very amicable in person but hides a lot of vindictiveness and a grudge but he won't explode about it. He'll manipulate his way into getting what he wants.
I love how Charlie absolutely DECIMATES his keyboard whenever he types. Like I envision the keys flying everywhere as his fingers punch through the entire thing, sparks shooting out of it as he leaves holes behind all throughout the keyboard.
I use to think it was a sound effect. Like it was too perfect, like a sound bit or something.
My little brother types pretty loud too.
@@danielmaster8776 honestly I do as well but it's still pretty jarring lol
Mechanical keyboards are life
@@doomyboi idk if these people even knew mechanical keyboards exist
There’s nothing wrong with just saying “we used to be great friends, and I’m disgusted by who he turned out to be.” Like…by blatantly lying about ever being close it just makes Josh look weird lol
Yeah. Like wtf. Wouldn't he imagine there's footage of them together out there?
I’m guessing he’s just really trying to disassociate and distance himself as far away from Drake as possible because of the shit he did. Definitely agree with your idea
With who Drake Bell is, anyone would want to distance themselves from him.
Doesn't make him weird
"Ah yes, I'm friends with a sex offender!"
Would you wanna say that? No, didn't think so.
@@skechyassmofo What makes him weird is the way he said it.
@@skechyassmofo There's "I'm no longer associated with this person after finding out what they did" and then there's "I was never actually friends with this person despite the overwhelming evidence that I was".
A loose comparison would be to whenever a politician is caught for corruption. People who were associated with them and benefited from said corruption would do everything they can to pretend they never as much as had lunch together, when in reality they were fully aware of what was going on and benefited from it.
The normal reaction would be to say you're no longer friends with them. The odd reaction would be to pretend you were never friends with them in the first place.
Jennette talked extensively in her book about “the creator” (Dan Schitthole) being emotionally manipulative and insanely creepy. She sites a lot of f’ed up stories about him on set and how made a kid cry when he fired him, he used to take her out to one on one dinner “dates” and pressure her to drink and say gross creepy shit to her all night. He even told her she’d only get her own show if she did everything he ever asked of her…. Fucking nasty. There’s a lot in there and the book is a great read, especially if you’re as fascinated by the twisted underbelly of the entertainment industry as I am😅
I wouldn't say I'm fascinated by it as it's more disgust than anything but I really am curious as to what the fuck is going on in hollywood to where so many people are pedophiles. I also wonder how many of the celebrities I enjoy hearing about are actual child diddlers.
I just finished the book! Very interesting read. The strength she has to overcome all that is insane. The shoulder massage and leg grabbing made me wanna puke 🤢
Plus the fact that so many people along the way saw problems but didn't step in. Just awful.
@@Hank.Will.I.Ams. glad to hear you agree it was worth the read! Truly harrowing stuff it really made me wonder how much stuff these producers/big wigs get away with that isn’t being written about…..
@@Outsider1095 I agree. From the undertones and what *was* said.. I fear so much for them
Fascinated by the underbelly of Hollywood? Aka the reason why no one takes this shit seriously 😂cause people need content I guess.
Being a joke or a character to clown all throughout childhood.... that slight evil smile, you know Josh is a super villian in the making
Yeah, no way that didn’t wear on a person. It’s just kinda wild to see it so apparent with that script Josh wrote.
🎼ridiiiiii, Josh-liaccio
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Bro it's actually pretty sad how many times Nickelodeon actors talk about bad experiences as kids and it always links to Dan Schneider.
Ok dont read my name.
@@MbitaChizi ok
Dan "the Hymen-Divider" Schneider
@Kavetion are you better than me tho
@@MbitaChizi bro did this not get old 6 years ago?
Jennette has said on her podcast that she worked with an emotionally abusive producer who would yell at the cast and tell them if it weren't for him they would be working at yogurtland. She never said it was Dan but you can put 2 and 2 together.
Schneider the feet creep at yogurtland. Makes sense.
So Schneider is like the Tarantino of Nickelodeon. Perfectionist and a foot fetishist.
No disrespect to Tarantino of course
Yeah, especially with reports of him being controlling and shit. Also, yogurtland doesn't even sound real. That sounds like a location made up for iCarly or something. Dan's probably the one behind all of most of his shows as producer, director, etc. Even scripts, probably.
this is all while she and others were literally early teenagers (13,14,15) so they absolutely wouldnt be working anywhere if not for the lack of child labor laws in relation to television. shit was so fucked
@@disposable_income_andy Yogurtland is a chain restraunt here in Cali
I feel so bad for Jennette McCurdy. Through that whole generation of memories we all had she was suffering, it's hard to think about and so unfair. It also sucks that Nickelodeon will never really pay for the behavior they allowed and the monsters they still enable.
Lol this went from my childhood being ruined to a dude I never heard of because my parents had MTV blocked as a kid
I’m sorry your parents did that.
Fr missed out on good old mtv days that will never be the same again sittin on the couch watching music videos,celebrity death match,Andy milonakis show, beavis and butthead stuff we won’t ever see again on a tv
Nah bro same 💀
@@lillouisx Beavis and Butthead is back!
MTV was the best back in the day
I’ll be real man Josh is lying out of his ass to avoid being canceled. There’s just no way.
Did everyone forget years ago when Josh didn’t invite drake to his wedding and drake got butthurt about it and complained on social media and it turned into a huge thing?
Well now this sucks
@@youretotallyrightbut463 and then Josh apologized and they hungout after that
@@youretotallyrightbut463 He literally only made two tweets about it, and they were nothing crazy
@@tylere.8436 Yeah, cause it’s Drake Bell tweeting about not being invited to Josh Peck’s wedding
I never knew McCurdy and Sam were so alike.
The character Sam had an eating disorder and an awful mother.
Must've been pretty awful for her to play the character.
And just like ghoulish that the writers actually ridiculed their own child actors for their own traumas like what the fuck, to an audience of other children and we just all thought it was ok. That whole show was just so fucked up.
@@cleo9044 Well maybe I wouldn't call it a disorder,but a big part of her character was that she fucking loved food and she ate a whole lot.
Ok, dan schneider being the damn creep he is, is obivious
But mccurdy and sam being so alike, is just straight up disturbing, and the child actors being ridiculed for their traumas is just only further proof that nickeloden is an alternative to hell
@@cleo9044 her character was a binge eater
Well, iCarly was a great show and relating a character with very important and emotional subjects to the actor or actress is a big part of making it feel real even if it's nickelodeon. Sad that things had to be too real here, though. There's the episode where they go to bail her mom out of jail, but I'm sure McCurdy would've preferred her to stay there.
About “I’m glad my mom died,” it’s an amazing autobiography. Jenette McCurdy never liked acting, and the way she told her story was heartbreaking
She cute and intelligent.
seeing this a year later after quiet on set feels wild, like he was right about josh’s evil eyes 👀 like him supporting dan schnieder and everything
I thought Jennette McCurdy said that Dan Schneider “tried to help with her eating disorder” by making her character Sam obsessed with food. I’m pretty sure she said that just ended up making it worse/ triggering her.
honestly I kinda wished I was surprised by that
Oh, I didn’t know he was trying to help her, I thought that was to mock her. It’s a little better imo if his intention was to help. The road to hell is paved in good intentions. He’s still a bad guy outside of that situation, though.
Seems a bit odd to suggest helping someone's eating disorder by making their character obsessed with food. Of course that wouldn't have helped her cope with it lol.
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b Your neck beards and your memes.
Ooh. I kind of get it. Like if her character is obsessed with food than she has to eat on camera...still a bad idea tho
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Damn this video aged really weirdly due to the whole quiet on set situation
Honestly as a kid I remember watching Drake and Josh and just never being able to get through the show without getting so heated about the way the characters treated Josh. I'm not so surprised to hear that they really didnt get along in reality.
You do realize there are plenty of people who work together and seem to like each other on shows who hate each other in real life right? That’s why it’s acting. So the friction in real life isn’t connected to the show
@@sorryimsosad cool
@@sorryimsosadthey also basically grew up together. Common for children working together to be close. These two must have really clashed.
I remember watching that episode of Drake apologizing to Josh as a kid and was so damn sad. Weird that they could hate each other and have such great chemistry on screen.
I can only say It was really good acting
well actors are supposed to be good at acting
well it was same with Mythbusters
Crazy how people at work don't have to like each other to complete tasks.
Wild how teammates can win games in sports without liking each other off the court/field.
But most shocking of all is this one!! ACTORS ACTING in a show and not liking each other outside of there acting roles on screen 🤯🤣🤣
That's called acting, it turns out
"I don't see how money splits up like an actual friendship like that"
You're too good of a person Charlie, never fucking change.
virtue signal
@@danielfonseca4283 to a degree it almost seems like a "bless your heart" kinda thing though lol, like you gotta be a bit naive to not know that money ruins relationships
While the money is a factor I feel like their friendship ended because rob was just really upset with big that he didn't want to keep the show going. Like in rob's case he did the majority of the work for the show for years and then big just doesn't want to do it anymore. I can see how someone can be upset about that, while the show was built around their friendship Rob dedicated just as much time building that show to what it was.
Corny
@@marcellaornelas9343 never change
Drake and Josh basically swapping roles in real life is really just so funny to me.
I wouldn’t really say that since I wouldn’t call Josh Peck super successful sure he’s staying afloat but he’s not A list or a rockstar or anything
@@TheMasterQuests he's in Oppenheimer now
@@cheesecakelasagna with like 1 min of screen time
@@TheMasterQuests being a none pedophile and having a fairly successful life after being a child star is by all means a massive success.
@@Bob-ti3uq xd
With Jennet McCurdy, her book (I’m glad my mom died) gave a huge amount of insight to the terrible conditions of child acting. She discussed her eating disorders (encouraged wildly by her mother), and Dan schmiders manipulation. She mentions at the end of the book that nick TV offered 300k (I believe) as hush money
“ I’m glad my mom died” she said that or… am I missing something
@@nyxknight7555 are you asking why I said “I’m glad my mom died?”? If so, it’s the name of her book; the front cover is her carrying an urn with a grin on her face
@@megan2133 holy that sound messed up
@@mau3769 it’s wild asf and definitely an emotional journey, I recommend it completely. I’m really proud of Jennet’s progress
@@megan2133you're proud of her saying that she's glad that her mother died? Just because she didn't get what she wanted as a child, you think it's acceptable that she sits there and acts like it's "Good thing" that her mother died? Just because she's an ungrateful little brat? She isn't the most important person in this universe FYI
Not saying josh is justified, but he was probably bullied and made fun of constantly or the joke of every joke for the longest time and has a lifelong grudge against that era and everyone involved.
He wrote a book called "Happy People are Annoying", wherein he basically describes his distaste for being the butt of the joke all the time as a result of being obese.
He claims that while it was cool sometimes, it was more of a job to him than anything, especially given how poor he was and how little the show paid after fees. You can imagine having your cringey, overweight childhood become an international sensation.
@@thechannel1098 Okay, but what does this have to do with Drake & Josh?
@@toothlesstoe Literally everything.
@@thechannel1098 god cant stop pedophilla and you know it
@@EXTREMEKIWI115 Explain
My takeaways:
-Josh Peck is a great guy on paper, but there constantly appears to be a phoniness and desperation to him
-Rob Dyrdek rules
Rob Dyrdek has always ruled. He’s a genuinely nice/good guy.
Yeah, Rob's awesome.
Rob & Big is still in my top 10 reality shows.
Josh's whole personality online is a facade I feel like
Sorta like he's ACTING Josh Peck
"Josh Is Done" was an insane episode. Josh's running-gag rash went away after he cut Drake out of his life, he got better grades, he actually became friends with his boss, and he got to have awesome hangouts with his friends. And then he went back to Drake just because he said he's sorry? His life will be shitty again, just because of his toxic stepbrother. Lmao.
lMaO
Josh always made me uncomfortable and Charlie saying his eyes gave off evil was something I picked up on as a kid and understood as an adult
One thing that stuck with me is that, Drake looked at that reboot script, saw himself portrayed as a loser and a failure in his ambitions, and _that_ wasn't what he criticized. But the stereotypical cartel stuff was the line in the sand.
Say what you will about Drake, he fucked up _badly._ But seems like he was okay with being the punching bag, just not pissing all over his audience.
I know man, becasue he wanted to respect his Mexican audience, and that is commendable!
Oh btw, most of the accusations are thrown off the court and he is apparently not guilty. But he has to be careful from now on. And he has to move on from Josh and see the person of who he really is.
You're impressed that he's the hero of his own fake story?
@@D_YellowMadness What guarantee do we have that either of them is a more reliable narrator than the other? I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt sooner than I am to deride them for something I have no information about.
He has a sucessfull career in Mexico. It's not exactly offensive for him.
The Mexican stereotype theres no way to know if its either to respect his audience or to not loose money.
seems a bit perfect to me, very farfetched
like that josh would come up with this horribly offensive script that specifically targets Drake's most prominent fan base etc
to be honest it seems like a situation where Drake saw Josh constantly lying about him and so he was like "well alright fuck you I can do that too"
I like how he actually looks up stuff, asks questions, doesn't know stuff live on stream, AND includes it in his videos after the fact.
I like it when creators leave in them talking to chat. Like Markiplier. Even if you can’t see chat you can get the context by the way the creator is reacting.
he usually glosses over or only looks at one section tho so idk
@@lullabyybabyy5406 So? It's not a big research project, he just wants to get a general overview of things. He goes more into depth into things he's more interested in. It's just a casual stream, no need to go deep into everything.
@@lullabyybabyy5406 yeah thats the difference between curiosity and a brief obsession
@@wareforcoin5780 wow triggered
Dan schndier is the kind of guy to show up to a kids birthday party uninvited.
Yeah, with clown makeup, too.
Josh gives me the impression that he's just the fakest friend you could possibly have and that will backstab you with no mercy the second he sees you're a "problem" to his image, such a shame really.
bro you never fucking met the dude what the fuck are you talking about. sorry but judging someone entirely off of how you feel in such a harsh way says way more about you then the person your talking about.
It feels like everytime Josh is asked publicly about Drake, Josh transforms into the "I'm not mad at you, I'm done" version of Josh.
@Kavetion Claiming you are better than Jesus Christ, who starred in the Bible and Hunger Games, is the most blasphemous claim any human has ever made, off to the shadow realm you shall go
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I hate that dumb fake attitude he puts on. Even in that episode I remember he was such a douche to drake.
@@Iku00"who starred in the Bible and Hunger Games" What? XD I have read the Hunger Games so many times do not recollect Jesus starring or even being mentioned in the series. Lol
@@littlearies3862 the guy was an actor in one of the hunger games movies
Drake is definitely an incredibly creepy dude but Josh seems like he's a pretty bad guy also. Like Charlie says there's just something about Josh that doesn't sit right.
Josh seems shady af, like the type to talk shit about you while pretending to care about you.
you have to be shady to be friends w david dobrick
Agreed. He could just release a statement saying they use to be close. I don't really know how hard it would have been to say, "yes. We were super close then I found myself slowly drifting away and there was no real reason. It was just because I felt we were outgrowing each other but we tried to reconnect; it was okay but it was not the same as when we were kids. Maybe it's just that we weren't the same people anymore but then the news came out and I can no longer support him anymore at all. I'll always treasure the friendship we had but I don't see myself being friends with him anymore"
I don't know! Was that so hard?! Am I crazy?!
Oh well.
Ehh being a horndog vs being a fake ass. I'd say both are stupid neither are really worthy of note. Either way fuck nickelodeon lol shits wack
@@bluz1864 nice fan fic
I've always loved both Rob and Big so much, this just fortifies how awesome they both were. Rob is surprisingly a genius business man and seems to be extremely hard working. I think its so cool that he singlehandedly had an entire network by the balls because its usually the other way around
"Hug yourself, fuckhead" is downright hilarious. I wish it would've been made now. This is crazy.
There is another video that disproves this one. Drake and Josh continued to hang out a lot after their show ended, and even multiple times (on camera) after the wedding. Yet Josh claims he never hung out with Drake before or after the wedding (which is proven false by their vlogs together after the wedding).
I am not saying they were super close, but they were definitely what most would loosely define as "Friends"
This is the smoking gun!
Ok dont read my name😑..
@@MbitaChizi your mother hung herself
The video addresses that though
Source?
It’s genuinely a bit crushing to know that two of the favorite shows I watched at the time was filmed in such an awful environment.
What’s the other one?
@@Delerman iCarly?
@@mart5610 ye
It's a TV show set, what did you expect? People being nice and doing it for the art?
@@sinisterwombat3128 A bare minimum of camaraderie is my standard, but what you mentioned is a nice ideal.
Oh, and a lack of emotional manipulation and abuse in the case of Icarly. Or a lack of sexualizing minors in the case of Zoey 101.
I found this to be the saddest video I’ve seen in awhile. Forced to pretend to be friends with someone you’re not friends with, having emotional scenes without the emotion, along with possibly having bad relationships with producers and/or crew members, seems like a form of torture. I hope that both of those guys found happiness.
The actor for drake (I think? It might be josh, idk I didn't watch the show) groomed a girl I remember there being a court case about it during the pandemic
@@mamabear3762Oh man I didn't realize that. If it was true I hope the victim got help and the actor got a just sentence.
This hits different after the documentary
Fr tho
17 minutes in and it just sounds like josh was depressed as hell growing up. if he did suggest the josh and drake show than itw as probably a "im finally above you. i finally am not the butt of jokes as the fat kid" situation.
Yeah it’s really wild how the kid that was bullied all the time turns into one.
@@mega_bird700 actually kinda normal. Like the high school jocks who went no where as the nerd became some thing type stories
He stopped being "the butt of the joke" at like half of Drake & Josh. Honestly, it sounds super immature and shitty.
It's ironic, because in a way he's slowly turning into Drake (on the show) in some warped kind of way.
@@leafymeadow9811 hate to see it happen
Josh's actor forcing Drakes actor to make fun of his own real life and play himself as a loser is really sadistic xD
Why’re you saying Josh’s actor and drakes actor?
@@vic_cresss Because I always forget their names
@@the_effect_de their names are literally Drake and Josh
@@vic_cresss is that so? Huh...
@@the_effect_de kinda like how Miley Cyrus’s name was Miley in Hannah Montana
Watching this after everything that came out makes everything make more sense...
Hell yeah, brother. I started watching you in your world at war days🙏🏼 "hey everybody, this is critikal". Time flies
Holy shit. And all this time, I thought Drake was the villain of the story, but now I'm getting whiplash because Josh is turning out to be the secret main antagonist here!
They kinda both are ngl
Not really all these videos dive super hard into other people's lives with a microscope even though they don't know them. Imagine having your life scrutinized. Less and less should people care about their lives but everyone gets so invested in all this to just talk shit for no reason. They were celebrities as kids who made mistakes and nobody has grown up with that same life. We all fuck up and there's no reason to care to this extent.
@@johnham14 literally these people act like someone’s online presence is their entire life. It’s weird as fuck but I got to remember most these people are 14-19 so I feel a lot less bad
@@starkiller0219 A lot of these people grew up watching the show as kids so it’s definitely jarring to see how the reality of their relationship could’ve been. I know it was for me because just like Charlie, I was also convinced they were best friends off camera and it wasn’t until this video about their lives off camera that I got to see behind the show.
@@starkiller0219 thanks for the reminder
Not gonna lie, Rob Dyrdek finessed the shit out of a dying cable network. It was brilliant. Imagine Bam if he had just half of the business savvy that Rob has.
Facts
@C mac 55th street Rob has completely passed bam. they're not even comparable at this point. Bam couldn't grow up and it screwed him over.
I think you're on the wrong video lol
Dyrdek is the fucking man
One did a lot of drugs and one didn’t. Unfortunately they both lost close friends during all of their success.
I’m here after quiet on set docu
I think any child star has an uphill battle to becoming a decent human being.
child stars and famous people are regular people before becoming famous so really it speaks to all of us that they are not decent human beings. like really that could be us, don't you agree?
@@wotsthis8148 child stars aren't regular people before fame. They are children. They don't know better. Then they grow up with yes men everywhere cause their famous. It ain't the kids fault guy.
@@wotsthis8148seeing that children has highly underdeveloped brain since your brain doesn’t fully develop until 25-26. Imagine not even what’s not a develop adult by legal standard faced in the world of things like paparazzi and pr.
@@MySkybreaker i basically said the same thing where are my upvotes. and children are regular people, don’t call them weird that Is so rudeeee!! 😂
Although they never liked each other, they still created a great show and made good memories for all of us. We won't forget.
they did like each other josh is lying
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So true
@@fanetooo I kind of feel like he's doing that to stray away from the bad Drake has done as to not be a part of it. But, only they have the true answers.
Amen bride, but Meagan sucks
im so glad you said josh peck gave you a strange feeling in your gut. cus me too for years ive been unsure about him, maybe even a little concerned.
Such horrors to look into the eyes of Josh and have something look back.
Josh has always given the vibe of “desperate to fit in” as an adult. Even if that means lying
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Drake has had his troubles and we all saw his allegations and his guilty plea. But I feel like Josh isn’t the perfect happy go-lucky guy, He really seems incredibly fake.
he only pleaded guilty because he did have conversation with her and that’s all the plead was about, did he have sexual messages with her and he did but that was before the fact he knew her age because she had lied about her actual age to him.
That’s the impression I’ve always got from Josh too
@@Tylercantsleep Yeah, not sure why everyone keeps glossing over this part. Even Charlie himself just ignored what the video said and went "Yeah, he's repulsive, he plead guilty."
@@NatePhan You never escape an allegation like that. No matter how much evidence supports your innocence people love to create their own realities. It's why Charlie's channel, as much as I like watching it, can be a bad thing sometimes. He doesn't get all of the information. He did something similar with Dark Viper's react script that he read basically none of and summed it up to his viewers as "oh so reactors are rapists". He had to deal with so many people not knowing what they were talking about because of that ignorant summary. They've made up and did videos together after the fact but it was Charlies fault why that drama happened in the first place because his massive community dwarves his in comparison and that was the impression left on them about Dark Viper.
To be fair, that pretty much describes most actors. Their literal profession is being fake on camera, so would it be a reach if their profession leaked into their actual personality?
It’s funny how Dan, who loves feet, also looks like a giant deformed foot.
Stuff hits different after all of the Quiet On the Set stuff and Josh defending Drake's abuser:/
when did Josh defend drakes abuser?
@@stevenlegend4402i think they mean Josh defending Dan Schneider. Interestingly Drake said Dan was the only one who called him to make sure he was ok, but the fact that Dan still has a lot of huge issues of his own which Josh refuses to acknowledge is a bir shady
They were definitely friends, even if they weren’t best of friends they hung out and talked frequently. I think Josh just didn’t like the negative attention Drake was getting and wanted to completely rid himself of Drake.
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Josh isn't a bad guy but he has narcissistic tendencies, and he isn't good at hiding it.
@Kavetion I believe it buddy!
I've always said Josh had something Erie about him! He seems extremely two faced and kind of like Kenneth Copeland how his eyes look like something else is in there lol
@@MrSeanman30 I don't think it's a coincidence he got in good with David Dobrik. His friendships are a means to build his public image.
@Kavetion you make gacha videos go wait for daddy to come home man
So like the show?
wow watching this video now is crazy
Now we learn that Drake had it much harder lol
as someone whos followed this intensely for years, specifically jennettes podcasts and sides of it all, jennette never said anything positive out of her own will about dan schneider. ariana did, she defended dan saying he didnt do shit to jennette (essentially). ive always disliked her for that. its hard for me personally to let go of that, even if jennette herself ever says she forgives her, i still dont think i could. just imagining myself in jennettes shoes? thats soooo messed up of ariana. thats all. im sure you can simply look up 'arianas statement on dan schneider, sam & cat' or keywords alike that, you will find it. i dont expect any form of acknowledgement for this statement or shit all really, just hope this helps clear up the confusion bc you seem MAD CONFUSED abt that lol.
You can't even spell her name right
I didn't know she had a podcast
@@miguelruiz4613 it’s called Empty Inside. She hasn’t made any episode for a bit, but its been like only 9 months since she was still consistently keeping up with it. Not many viewers/listeners for what I think she deserves after what she’s been through, but that’s life.
I mean. Grande is kinda a shit person. The infamaous doughnut spitter is hardly the manifestation of a vanguard for her friends.
People defending their abusers is not all that uncommon. Not that Arianna isn't obviously wrong for doing it to someone that was supposedly her friend, but they were all very much abused by Dan so I don't particularly think it's for us to judge their responses to trauma.
I've seen people arguing about this like it's a damn football match - "team X, Y, Z" - it's ridiculous.
I followed Josh for a bit on social media in the early 2010s and was just general put off by it. It always felt like the kid who was a loser now trying to act like the cool kids. Not to say he was a loser, just that it seemed like he was trying really hard, and seeing him lying like that kinda makes me feel like i got the right impression
He's been cast in the new Nolan film
That’s a good point.
But even if true, can you really blame him?
I can’t claim to know his experience but for me in my life I absolutely did not fit in during HS years. And honestly it caused problems for me and a little bit of a resentment as well.
@@cheesedip1 yeah same here. I used to be really angry and resentful when I was a teenager. it happens to everyone on difference scales. I'm sure being the butt of every joke gets exhausting after awhile. he seems to have emotionally gotten carried away as a result of it though.
@@99SLEEPYBLUE living in judgement is one of the many flaws that people can have. so if you wanna be radically accepting of everyone no matter what, you’d have to include everyone who lives in judgement as a part of that. live and let live. let people live the way they want to, whether on the internet or otherwise. it’s not going away anytime soon just because we don’t like it :)
@@99SLEEPYBLUE Christ this message wasn’t even directed towards me but it still changed my perspective on my judgement’s on people. I had gotten so used to people making judgements on others in mass that instead of feeling disgusted on how other people could just feel free to criticize every aspect of another person’s life. I had just recently started to normalize it in my mind justifying it by deluding my self that it was was correct even if I knew deep down that I still felt somewhat uneasy on how people who most likely had the same flaws could just mass hate on one individual on which they have no connection with and who they don’t even know what their effect and others like them are having on the person they are chastising. So thank you once more even if nobody else listens to you and just makes a assumption that your some dude who is deluded himself it doesn’t matter at least you changed somebody perspective have a good day man people should strive for a more honest perspective on the people around them. :D
I think they’re both gay undercover without anyone knowing guys its not that big of a deal if you’re gay with each other
You're kidding I suspect, but...honestly this theory would explain this entire drama start to finish. Many of their actions are straight out of the closet-case distraction ploy playbook. And the few slip-ups they've made really come across like the behaviour of a scorned lover. It's all so weird and not how average straight friends/co-workers/'brothers' relate to each other.
The fact that you don’t feel like Joshs eyes match the energy of his mouth when he smiles doesn’t surprise me at all. I feel like there was something off about him as well after he lost all of that weight. You’re totally right though. His eyes are not happy when his mouth is trying to convince people around him that he is. I feel like there’s a deep rooted depressed victim from being bullied and not having a father.. that depressed victim overtime only turned into something essentially that is only coming to my mind as what would be stale anger or something. An anger that is so old that’s been lingering for so long that most have gotten somewhat okay around it and slowly forget which is messed up and sad. Stuff like that could be super dangerous.. hopefully he doesn’t have a twisted side to him. That’s all I’m gonna say
Edit: I just wrote this right before I see how Josh wanted to remake drake and Josh as Josh and drake
He likes funny, gotta know some pain to enjoy a true laugh
Losing weight is weird. I don’t have experience with it, but I have discussed the feelings people have after losing weight, and it’s very hard to deal with. Suddenly, everybody is paying you attention and they are giving you compliments whereas before, you were just “that chubby kid.” You feel like your worth is tied to your weight, and you go through a lot of complicated emotions and self image problems.
That whole "Josh & Drake" plot sounds like some crazy fanfiction you would read in the middle of the night when you've run out of other fanfictions.
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tbh i wouldnt mind a josh and drake series but id want one where Josh and Drake are equals and not just using the other to look better
My lord
@@AxxLAfriku no
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This video proves to me there were no "Good Guys" in this story
Drake was clinging to his glory days for years, even feeling like he was owed to go to Josh's wedding, until he ended up getting caught for doing something despicable.
Josh feeling inadequate decided to make a show depicting Drake as a loser and stereotyping his fanbase before saying that he wanted to do nothing with Drake, despite numerous instances otherwise.
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Drake's accusations were proven false
@@johnhalo8726 were they actually?
@@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750
No
@@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750 Yes
(In relation to the Rob Dryden Christopher Big point) Friendship and work doesn’t mix. Most musical artists find this out when they have to go on the road for 250 days a year in hotel rooms or tour buses. No longer the friends you were when you started
Watching this 2024. Thanks for this. Josh Peck is a jerk and because of public pressure he had to comply to reach out to drake so he wont go through cancel culture. He thinks his history can be erased its everywhere him making sure everyone knows between him and drake bell is nothing but a colleague trying to erase the good friendship they had admitted to the public. 10:10 you are absolutely right dont ignore your gut feeling. Thats how i felt when i first saw josh pec in youtube. Its how he carries himself.
He has the same smile of a friend i had for 14 years and had to cut ties with, and she was oficially diahnozed eventually as bipolar and schizoaffective and lacked epathy and just was a perpetual self obsessed person, super competitive, and she would just use you as was convenient to her....same exact smile, it's uncanny
@@magical571 but at least you be kind and cut ties without publicly shaming her in the process or even wrote several scripts to convince a tv show where it heavilly insulted towards the drake character and overglorifying josh character showing the biasness and clearly jealousy.
I think the lie that they weren't friends was Josh trying to distance himself from Drake considering the allegations. As you can imagine being associated with someone who is accused of sending questionable messages to minors is something that can be damaging to reputation and image.
This bitch was upset because she was blocked by Drake & that is why this man was FALSELY accused of sending pictures to her, but the investigators didn't find any proof of inappropriate messages or pictures. People really need to stop believing everything they read on the internet and do actual fucking research!
What reputation
This was my thought too. I wouldn't want everyone to know or think I was bffs with a pedophile either.
@@guadalupesepulveda8078 shut up. 🙄
absolutely
Never liked Josh outside of the show. He, James Corden, and Jimmy Fallon have something in common which I can't really put my finger on. Extremely insufferable.
All of their names start with "J"
The thing they have in common is called Los Angeles. It's not rocket science. They're all fake, vapid people.
They're all extremely disingenuous.
Jimmy Fallon is nothing like him. Corden isn't either.
They're all fake.
9:53 when you say he smiles but his eyes don't. It's crows feet. You can tell if someone's smile is genuine by the crows feet around the eyes. If they don't, it's a fake smile.
no you can tell by the corner of the mouth to, if it points towards. The corners of the mouth point towards the bottom of the ears on fake smiles and up to the outer corners of the eyes on real smiles.
@@ronaldjustin518 yeah these two things go together. As you say, when the corners of the mouth go up towards the corners of the eyes, they create lines and folds around the edge of your eyes. These are called crows feet.
The Josh is done episode threw me for a loop and made me uncomfortable and depressed
It left me feeling weird as a kid too. My dad hated watching that show with me, because “Drake always wins and gets away with it.” Finally, we see Drake lose and in the end it doesn’t change the dynamic or anything really. He apologizes and then it’s back to a shitty existence for Josh. Don’t even get me started on how badly my dad hated iCarly hahaha that was more my little brother’s era.
A “mature” D&J reboot would’ve been nice. But what Josh came up with us just…. A little too specific and weird.
What Josh came up with was really how he feels about drake. It seems like he took the original script to the original show personally even though drake didn’t write it and now that Josh life is better he wants recognition for it by doing a reboot
“Drake was gonna be a failed musician. And Josh was gonna be a successful real estate agent.” Really goes to show Josh couldn’t handle being second to Drake even back in the Amanda Show days. I like both, but wow.
nah that shit was definitely not real. the only source for the reboot existing is drakes wife (extremely biased source).
@@varunsreedharan5347 Good point, but i do have the feeling that Josh could pull up some of this wack ideas, because he always felt he was under the Drake's belt, even the fact that they got close again, was "forced" by the exposed about the wedding invitation
@@varunsreedharan5347 lol if you’ve seen Josh on dobrik vlogs this is Exactly the type of stuff he’s make fun of
@@varunsreedharan5347 I mean its really in line with the humor of the Vine crowd he was hanging out with...Remember the Paul brother movie Charlie talked about on his Channel a while back? yeah, same vibe.
Meh, I think this direction was pretty natural for their characters from original show. It’s almost cliché. Great at school, bad at adulthood, bad at school, good at adulthood.
Josh’s eyes were telling me the same thing Charlie felt
It's the same "tom cruise" thing that inspired Bale on how to play Patrick Bateman. Just absolutely no warmth or kindness there. It's like watching a cobra rising.
I've also felt this. Alarm bells whenever I watch a video with him in it
Ya at first I thought he was talking about Drake and I was like alright ya but I mean look at Josh his eyes look so fake and then I noticed he was talking about Josh actually and ya..
Cause he'll be rewarded for never maturing. For never understanding or learning that other people actually matter there's other people you selfish asshole
sad how someone could be this judgmental over how they perceive someone's eyes. Can you imagine someone saying shit like this about some aspect of your body and claiming you're some kind of horrible person purely because of their own implied emotions.
@@joedatius what's sad is getting a notification of a comment just from liking it
Like come on I don't care
But fr tho, your name tells me shut up
Joe mama
This is so fucked up after the quiet on set doc came out
Ah yes, Dan "Hold her tighter she's a fighter" Schneider, or perhaps. Dan “If You Have A Daughter You Better Hide Her” Schneider.
Kid named finger:
Dan "Underaged actress gets on the matress" Schneider
dan licks the frying pan because he can schneider
lmao the first one way funnier
@@Nak597 Dan "if shes on the clock" Schneider
Josh just seems like he gets baby bro treatment when he’s with drake u can see it
Josh was probably the jerk. He strikes me as a really fake dude
Just to be clear: the clip of Josh saying "We're all good," was part of a skit on the video where they start yelling and fighting each other right after. It's supposed to come off as fake because it's a skit. IDK how you wanna interpret the rest of the video based on that, but it's important to note.
It seems like the story out there has a lot of interpretations that might be overdramatized. I don't think Josh is a bad person, just kind of an idiot. Drake's done some shitty stuff, but imagine being rich and famous as a child working under Dan Schneider. Shiiiiit, I'd be fucked up, too. Not a defense of his actions, but it's fair to say that Drake might not have turned out the way he did if he just had a good group of people around him to keep him level.
Bold of you to assume Drake was guilty of anything in the first place!
@@justforrow poop
@@justforrow ur so gross LMAO
My personal assessment from observing this unfold on the interweb over years is that Josh is simply taking the path of least resistance the way he answers the questions about their relationship; like it’s important for his own image to maintain the facade
Or simply that he understands that the mystery and back'n'forths between the two is what was interesting to begin with. To keep this up is what keeps the interest going as well (in the end a win/win for them both), a magic trick is only amazing if you don't know how it's done.
@@T3n50r for the magic trick, not really. something doesn't have to be mysterious, to be amazing. there are plenty of magic tricks that you can know the trick for, and still think, "thats fucking amazing."
That Josh and Drake pitch sounds like a Robot Chicken sketch.
Drake & Josh actually voice-acted on a Robot Chicken sketch lampooning their own show. And it's very messed up.
My favorite Dyrdek quote is from his Nine Club interview, he said "I am the highest paid skateboarder in the industry if you compare my tricks filmed to how much I've made"
You have no idea the amount of confidence you have as a kid. I remember being a chubby kid who would just talk the ears off a room of people. Present day me is an anxious, introverted mess.
Life beat us down
But are you still chubby? Maybe that's the problem. jk
@@christophsiebert1213 not kidding tho, being fat fucking sucks. You gotta be built like an average shounen protag.
As a kid, anxiety was worse. However, I was more prone to be oblivious to reality and would be silly to combat my shyness. As an adult, reality is more clear and the past was kinda cringe. I said some things dumb as a kid.
growing up you just get more self aware, that's my case at least
Charlie looks like he would’ve fit in perfectly as a character in the show at the theater. One of the theater workers. 😂
Ok dont read my name😑..
Gavin's brother! 😃
@@Shadamyfan-rs8xc Instead of going after Aubry he goes after Walter
@@mememachine8820 🤣
He sounds exactly like Gavin!
9:40 bruh I've always thought the exact same thing like there's some bitterness there deep down
I love the story and I love your video. Excellent animation. Have a nice time everyone
I can imagine Drake's path from young man to grown adult was beset with fangirls and positive affirmation, while Josh was the "chubby comedic relief".
When you look at how actors who play those roles tend to change as they grow up (slimming down, refusing to let people joke about their weight), you see a lot of misery.
I don't doubt there was a lot of bad blood between the two.
Charlie’s formula for streaming:
Charlie asks chat if statement is correct,
Charlie tells chat they’re dumb and looks it up himself
Seriously lol. Every time I wonder why he doesn’t just google from the get go
i mean he said it himself he was gonna look it up anyway but still asked just in case anyone in the chat already knew to save time or just for the sake of theorizing for fun
Hey, it's called audience engagement!
Looking back on the theory about Jaimie Lynn spears with everything that is coming out right now about dan is insane
I didn't really care for Rob's stuff but my brother did and I really liked the friendship he had with BB. However I'm happy he has come so far and all his hard work has paid off.
Mythbusters' Adam and Jamie aren't friends either, but they were professional enough to act like they are on camera and work flawlessly with each other. Really, it just shows the professionalism of the 2 actors to work well together despite not being friends.
fr?
If you watch the series, they don't even pretend to be more than coworkers who respect each other
@@zippy3138 Yep, but it's not like they despise each other. They are just coworkers
@anthony It is definitely just because so many times fans would ask where Jamie was, if they were friends, if they still hang out, so to stop the questions preemptively. I can understand getting asked the same questions over and over and wanting to just get the message out there.
They were not friends when making the show, they were co-workers.
But they said on adam savage tested that now of days he would consider them friends.
Watching our childhood morph into twisted scandal is a hard mirror of the reality we're walking into as we become adults. Have a nice day guys
I love that that we also got an absolute beautiful desert with the rob video too damn I love Charlie's openess to watch and learn anything and interact such a gem 🖤
@penguinz0 do you have any new opinions since the release of quiet on set and other news surrounding drake? or josh?
Working with friends is so hard. It can bring out the worst in each person. I’m sure there was a personal rift that had nothing to do with the money.
Feel as if Drake and Josh have transformed into two beings of great disrespect, with Drake being a alleged predator and Josh just being Slightly egotistical and eerie. Sad to see legends go, but that's life.
ratio
@@GrungeVoid go outside
@@GrungeVoid "ratio" wasn't funny when it started and it sure as hell isn't funny now. Please stop.
@@doesthisIookinfected facts
Drake isn't alleged, he's guilty
I love how this video spontaneously just becomes about Rob Dydrek halfway thru 😂😂😂 I wanted closure on Drake and Josh!
Charlie we need an update on your opinions since quiet on set and drakes new music video.
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I could see that with the eyes. I get that a lot too, life has been rough for me as it is for a lot of people. Sometimes what you are seeing is pain. Deep, deep pain. We pick ourselves up, put on a mask and smile but that’s not truly what we feel on the inside.
I can imagine having a very public childhood framed as an unattractive looser who's the punchline of most jokes while your co-star was the cool lady's man ...... would do some very messy things to your ego.
I don't know if he's got an "evil side," but it would be fair to assume he harbors some serious resentment.
I probably would too.
That's what happens with these high school TV shows. They keep this hierarchy mentality. If you ain't the guy, you just the guy under him. Guys being guys, it leads to egos clashing.
When in reality, those guys exist but they don't consume the entire school. I don't even know who the cool guys were at my school, I remember just a bunch of fights between blacks and Hispanics. We had about 3 riots in freshman year, and 2 in sophomore.
@@nonyabusiness2032 It sucks, but it's true. It's also the burden of a public childhood vs. an average childhood. EVERYONE makes fun rather than nobody caring.
Your high school sounds like what mine would have been, if I didn't move to the newly developing suburbs in Arizona. But the high school experience I got had a pretty clear hierarchy of cool kids vs. dweebs. The lack of violence or bullying between groups made us care less about it, though. We just kept to our friends and ignored everything else.
@@rachelsarmientotack well, the last sentence says it all. At the end of the day, it's about your friends and yourself.
@@nonyabusiness2032 Agreed.