A Story Analysis of Mass Effect 2
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- Mass Effect 2 is a fantastic game despite not focusing much on the main narrative. The characters of the world are at the forefront this time and yet this decision still managed to create an incredible game.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:46 Prologue
17:55 Collectors
24:45 Zaeed
30:45 Kasumi
36:06 Jacob
40:23 Miranda
43:02 Jack
51:03 Garrus
57:39 Mordin
1:04:14 Grunt
1:11:06 Samara
1:20:15 Thane
1:27:30 Tali
1:36:50 Legion
1:49:26 Side Content/DLC
2:08:49 Finale
2:18:07 Outro
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Music In Order Courtesy of Mass Effect 2 OST:
• Mass Effect 2 Full Album
0;00 Illusive Man
17;55 Freedom's Progress
24;45 Jacob
43;02 Jack
1;11;06 Samara
1;49;26 New Worlds
2;08;49 Horizon
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#MassEffect 2 #Gingy - Hry
The only criticism I have for this masterpiece: we're recruiting Legion way too late. Just not enough time.
I have many critism personally and point at this game as where ME got wrong. The morality system punish role playing, the leveling system is very limiting and offers about no variety of builds within a class, the Collector doesn’t really matter, we are railroaded into working for a terrorist group and we should have spent the middle installenent researching the Reaper not on a side quest. Oh and killing Shepard and destroying the Normandy was only done for shock value, it’s undone immediately and doesn’t affect Shepard im anyway. He died and resurrected and it didn’t change him or her in the slightest. They don’t even introspect about it.
@@oliviawilliams6204 Don't forget the giant baby Terminator boss fight at the end that's created by blending humans up and pumping them into it. People say ME3 ruined the Reapers, but if that's how they're created they were already on thin ice
Legion is my all time favorite character
@@oliviawilliams6204 Accurate.
Honestly how this game is forgiven by so many. You go inside a semi-disabled Reaper. A R E A P E R. The series main antagonist. Do you learn anything interesting about their motives? Do you have a repeat of the dialogue with Sovereign on Virmire? Do you have to fend of cosmic horror whispers and question your perceptions?
No. You just shoot waves of Husks and Scions. For 20 minutes.
Wow.
@@oliviawilliams6204 ``. He died and resurrected and it didn’t change him or her in the slightest. They don’t even introspect about it.``
It was a huge point in the narrative as to why Shepard was left to dry by the alliance and council.
You know what is messed up about the story of ME2? During the entire argument between Mordin, Maelon, and Shepard on what to do about the Genophage, no one even thought to get any input from *the Krogan*
To be fair, there is a cut confrontation dialogue (Like Miranda and Jack have) with Mordin and Grunt about that.
Perfectly in character since both think their decisions are right based on their beliefs, not based on what the Krogans want as an species, though one can say Maleon is doing what Krogans want but don’t say
I think it's safe to say we know where they stand.
@@onepiece666 This is true. The flaws in both their beliefs are pretty evident as well.
Mordin is still acting like the Krogan Rebellions are still happening, which is a bit weird. He is also relying entirely on numbers and completely ignoring the cultural impact the Genophage had on the Krogan. This is totally fair as it was not part of his field.
Maelon is turning a blind eye to what the Blood Pack want to use the cure for as long as he got results. His volunteers also did not have complete informed consent so it is still totally messed up.
Meanwhile, the final decision is given to Shepard, a person who absolutely does not have all the information needed to make a properly informed decision.
God, what I wouldn't give to have Wrex in that conversation. Shame it couldn't happen because it was possible that he would have been dead by that point in the series.
Grunt was still figuring out who he even was. He didn't have any context yet about his people. Remember, his memories only start to make him feel anything later in the game. At first he sees mental images and flashes of info about Krogan history, but he feels nothing as he sees them. At the time of Mordin's loyalty my soon Grunt simply may not have any opinion yet.
if you save Sidonis, he ends up getting garrus father and Sister off of Palaven when the Reapers attack. It's a very nice touch to put Garrus morals back in place and to have it pay off positively in the end as opposed to not letting him do what he wants end up bad.
Adam, is that learned in ME3 or Is that canon in the comic book? I had no idea about that!
@@Scottie_S It's cut content actually. But it would have been a really nice touch as ME is known for actions having consequences. Because in ME2, killing Sidonis is a no brainer. But finding out Sidonis could have saved them in ME3 if he was alive would have been a real gut punch for Garrus since he let his revenge control him. Don't know why they didn't implement it in the actual game.
@@thatoneviewer1553 I don't know why they didn't either. I think we would have eaten that stuff up!
If Sidonis survive the encounter, he will sorrounded himself to the authorities but they will free him later due to the lack of charges against him
The Citadel doesn't has authority over Omega and basically anyone that commit crimes there don't go to prison
We learn about this hearing the news in the game
That why the 3rd is still my favorite, because the game is all payoff.
Mordin giving safe sex advice will never not be funny
Mordin overall will never stop being funny, him singing is hands down the best thing, still annoyed at the role he plays in ME3 wish my boy wasn't in the position he was put it.
@@milksterproductions Yeah, and the only way to save him is to do some shenanigans.
Also have Wrex dead.
In watching this video, his breakdown of Mordin made me realize: he's your alt goth friend
@@TheFlurryofFlames how did you realize that?😊
That's briliant😂😊😊
I think Mordin put it perfectly "Iam not sorry, Shepard. Have to be me, others could make mistake"
Plus dont forget bro is around 40 and thier species is pretty fast living. I think he had at most 5-10 years left amd sure as shit not with his level of selfpresavation. I loved him going out in a blaze for correcting his ONE mistake.
Better then seeing him mentally decline into a vegtable. Tech around the citadel-lvl can sure as shit keep u longer alive then most want for themselves
Rael's final message to Tali did NOT make her feel better. Her "thanks" was sarcastic; she hated the fact that his last message to her was an order, rather than some expression of familial affection or something. Shepard says as much to Shala'ran when they get back.
Every Bioware game to date has made the mistake of having an enormous codex full of interesting lorem plus frequent, long loading screens. Yet for some reason, FOR SOME REASON, they have NEVER allowed you to peruse your codex while you're waiting for the game to load.
It's unforgivable.
Or open your journal in the galaxy map. Instead they just cluttered it with shitty sticky note flags.
@@UsernameGeri To be fair it was a colossal improvement form the first game, which was like Morrowind in how they handled quest direction and giving that info to the player.
actually not ENTIRELY true. In Dragon age inquisition you get (random) codex pages you have unlocked on the loading screens
thought, yes, mass effect should have had this (and give you time to read them [by letting the loading screen only end when you press a button)
Just check them out on the Elevator
Point of fact: Shepard did in fact make it off the original Normandy alive. Shepard's death does come about 17 seconds later, but they did make it off the ship alive. Technically speaking.
Yeah, and floating around in space while your ship gets blown to space dust around you is probably the most fucked up scene in the game.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 And then they suffocate, flop through space, and perish. It was pretty gruesome.
@@katie5998 I like the movie Space Jam.
@@JaymeSplendid cool
nerd
I will say this, IFF is a very real thing that’s commonly used in military aircraft. I’ve worked on military aircraft for 8 years and IFF if very Important especially when it comes to carrier operation and early warning. So it’s less of them pulling it out of their ass and more of it being actually rooted in standard military operations and tech.
Yeah, the IFF is as simple as a uniform to identify allies.
Kinda like those black boxes on air planes? Or this a case of same object different nomenclature?
@@lastmanstanding7155 not really. Black boxes, which really aren’t even black, are more of less an independent system that logs and tracks. Iff really is just modules and software. A ships IFF will digitally challenge the aircrafts and the aircrafts will respond with the correct passcode, phrase, whatever.
@@CheesinIndian
Oh cool good to know
I think they were referring to conjuring an extra reaper out of nowhere that has drifted in dark space for several cycles, without being discovered, until conveniently Cerberus reversed triangulated the mass weapons, attack vector
Just want to point out that The Arrival DLC is intended to be a post game DLC, after the suicide run. That's why you don't see any impact until mass effect 3, and is also why Shepard is on earth at the beginning of 3 as in The Arrival you can choose to willingly (or otherwise I guess) to head back to earth to defend your actions of destroying the mass relay.
I think dispite all of that intentions, it is really fits with the last mission before the end mission and it would really suit the similar design of the first game. In the first game, you talk with Sovereign while you are talking with Harbinger in the second game. The reason for that is you were detentioned by alliance military at that point and that was not like a punishment instead the alliance was trying to protect shepard from the real punishment. Even he was working with Cerberus, he was after all stopped abductions from the human colonies, thus he was protected from the real punishment.
agreed. there has been a fair few misses in these videos
Mass Effect is literally all about getting together your Team for a heist. When you perceive it from that angle, it all clicks.
Mordin giving you medical advice about how to safely romance Tali is one of the reason i love the dude. He knows everything about your crew, and helps in the best ways he can.
Just a generally quirky dude who wants to do good in the world
While also being Mengele
Let’s not forget that suicide mission from the mass effect 2 soundtrack is one of the greatest musical scores composed in all of human history
"Suicide mission" and "The end run" pure chills
Fucking yes
Also the very first scene is amazing, I would even argue The Attack is almost as good as Suicide Mission and The End Run purely from a quality perspective. It obviously doesn't have as much emotions and stakes attached to it so it'll never be as impactful, but I really love the sound design there
I liked the Collector's battle theme on Horizon.
Not to forget about the theme when you're introduced to the Normandy SR2 for the first time. This track still gives me chills and wet eyes after all these years.
Would like to point out that the Cerberus backstory here is a massive retcon from ME1. In ME1 it’s implied heavily that they were an Alliance Blackops group gone rogue
Everything about Cerberus is being retconned every game lol. First we apparently wiped them out in ME1 if you did those side quests, then in ME2 they have all the resources to not only rebuild the Normandy, but also had enough to not clone someone, but straight up bring them back from the dead after falling through the atmosphere of a planet. Then in ME3 they had an entire army and fleet we never saw before even though that would've been extremely useful against the Collectors
Didn't they SORTA handwave that with something like "oh it was THAT splinter faction of Cerberus that was a rogue black ops group."
@@ironwolf56 I believe so lmao
@@ironwolf56 yeah I think so. The Cerberus you hunt down for Kahoku were a different cell than the Lazarus cell, if I recall correctly.
@@MikeP828 As much as i love ME2, that was always big pet peeve for me. Especially if you have Sole Survivor background, there is no way to call out Cerberus for causing the deaths of Shepard's unit. Most people say that Sole Survivor Shepard would never work for Cerberus and normally i would agree with them. But it can work if addressed more which it unfortunately isn't.
I always have Kasumi destroy the box. Those memories aren't all she left of him. Plus in the next game she just holes herself in those memories. It's not healthy. Plus to me it dishonored Keji if she stopped being the person he fell in love with.
There's also a bunch of government secrets that could seriously dick the Alliance over, I don't think having VR sex with her dead boyfriend is really worth it
Doesn’t she say in ME3 that she didn’t really destroy the greybox? Or am I misremembering?
@@MikeP828 she says she destroyed the greybox but found a way to keep the alliance information.
My thought was it was Keiji's last request. Even though it was "Renegade"
I also pick to destroy the Geth instead of rewriting because Jack mentions that being brainwashed to nod and smile is horrible fate
@@TheDancerMacabre The thing is, the Heretic Geth were effectively brainwashed into serving the Reapers to begin with. All Shepard does is repair the error in their programming that made them think that aligning with the Reapers was the correct choice.
I lost Mordin on the last mission the first time I played this. I was very sad cause he was my favorite crew member. Damn RIP you jittery amphibious alien man
I lost Tali, she got shot in the face, and in ME3 I forgot and was like where's my friend
@@jbear3478 F in the chat for Tali
Me who lost Tali,Samara,Mordin and Kasumi: "They have forgone their lives for a better future."
I think mordin has the lowest score of all the teammates in the suicide mission, easy way I always make sure he survives is too just send him to escort the crew back as long as you did his loyalty mission he'll survive
I really like how in the video the ardat-yakshi were compared to the succubus, it gives you an idea on how the devs got their inspiration for some of the species in mass effect.
Fun fact the Asari is actually based on an very famous abduction story where an construction had worker forced intercourse with a blue looking women cause of aliens
It was made famous because he had been very vocal that it did happen and aliens are real
I always save Sidonis, but it's more about helping Garrus overcome base need for revenge. Just like with Dr. Saleon, it's about trying to make him a better person.
well I killed both of them
Big agree. Giving Garrus what he wants in that moment only allows him to fully become the kind of person he wanted to stop in the first place.
I kinda agree and disagree with you on this as I think both choices are dependent on the players morals I like sidonis die as I think it's the best outcome but everyone thinks different
@@Riddlywiddly They are both fine options. And that's what I like about the game. It's really just a personal choice for you on which you find better. No right or wrong. Just what feels appropriate at the time based on your character.
Na man Dr saleon always dies no matter what. He can’t be redeemed
The Arrival DLC is actually supposed to be completed post-main game. And it’s the reason Shepard is on earth under house arrest at the start of ME3, and it’s referenced several more times throughout the game.
It's ME2's Epilogue
It will be the reason if you complete it, but if you don’t, canon wise Hackett sends a team there which succeeds at blowing up the Mass Relay but they all die in the process. In this case Shepard is on trial for working together with Cerberus, an avid enemy of both the Council and the Alliance.
@@jerkopatrik well shit. Learn something new every day.
Ah a fellow man of Vanguard culture
What's interesting is that, even with all that is in the game to flesh out the crew members there was even more they initially planned, like a crew-mate conflict between mordin and grunt on the genophage, which would have been cool to see
Grunt is basically an adult baby that first saw the world just the moment he was recruted. In fact Grunt was Okeers way of ignoring the genophage. Wouldn't really make much sense for Grunt to care much about it in ME2.
@@janekbrat6951 yeah I could see why they cut it though would of loved more in character interactions
Jacob: If you're comfortable having an "ASSASSIN" watch your back.
He compared assassins to mercenaries but he himself is a gun for hire.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602Jacob is Kanye West.
Harbinger was already hinted to be a reaper in the Horizon Cutscene. You can clearly see him in the hologram behind the collector general lol was obvious with the voice and everything
When I was a kid, the collectors boarding the ship was the most terrifying thing I had ever played
In a way, I wish we saw more diversity in collector enemies. Insectoid design was great but I wish there was more dimorphism between close vs far away combatants. Just a shame the general model is never seen on the field.
Maybe some non bipedal enemies in that vein. They're 50k year old corrupted aliens, make em weird
Kinda makes sense, since they were genetically altered. With degenerated reproductive system there's no possibility of gene diversity and adaptation which makes them almost clones.
Same, I was hoping they would at least use the models from Mass Effect 3 in the remaster, but no :(
Pretorian was weird enough
I get your point but i think it's good as is, the collectors are just drones for the Reapers, nothing more, there's no need for diversity in looks for them since they exist for one purpose
When you look at the Collector General next to a Collector, you'd wonder what the Prothean General looked like next to a Prothean.
I'm so glad you felt the exact same way I did about Zaeed. Good ole uncle Zaeed and his drunken war stories. I wish we got a little more of him but at least he's great in ME3 Citadel
35:30 Personally, I think it’s better to destroy the Greybox. Whether the info in it will be safe or not ultimately winds up being irrelevant, given the Reaper invasion. What is relevant is Kasumi’s future. If she keeps the Greybox, she never moves on from Keiji’s death. She spends all her free time plugged into the Greybox, reliving her memories with Keiji over and over. While convincing her to destroy the Greybox seems harsher at time, it gives her the space she needs to move on and keep living her life.
i love the way garrus just sits in the background during tali’s trial 😂
Even better when you get Legion in there. He sits just like Garrus, but the fact that no one's even keeping an eye on him and it's just like a little kid waiting for his parents to stop talking to their friends is hilarious.
A two hour analysis from Gingy? What an absolute treat!
I've always sided either Soldier or Sentinel in ME2. Soldier using every weapon, minus the SMG, and having an easy mode button (called Adrenaline Rush) makes them a powerhouse with a bullet for everybody. Sentinel is the tankiest class in the game, with tech armor boosting and instantly recharging shields, and having both warp and overload on hand is incredibly useful.
I've played each class at least twice (male/female) and my favorite class is Vanguard, with Soldier and Sentinel at #2 and #3. Infiltrator and Adept at #4 and #5, with Engineer at #6. I agree with you on Adrenaline Rush being one of the most powerful abilities, but for me Charge is just more fun.
Vanguard you are able to 2 shot most enemies if you close up biotic charge on Insanity
which gets easier with practice knowing the strength of squadmates and enemy coordination
It is hell a satisfying and extremely invigorating i would only recommend playing insanity with Vanguard
@@nathanielgarza9198 Vanguard is insanely fun to play, feels even more fun in ME2 than ME3, maybe because mobility is more limited in ME2.
My favorite in this game was Infiltrator, in ME3 it was Adept. Adept with fully upgraded Dark Channel was kind of OP.
Garrus and Femshep are unironically the most wholesome and believable romantic couple in a video game.
I always picked Garrus when I've played this game. He's just so awesome lol
Male shep and Tali are tied.
If you don't romance anyone in the first two, I'd say that Samantha Traynor and FemShep are a close second. Because it's like a cute lesbian suddenly joins the crew and FemShep is like "oh yea bet"
But they're the number one for gay options.
Yep femshep garrus is the only true romance
Disgusting
I love these types of videos, and I know they must take a WHILE to create. Props to you Gingy!
I usually don’t let Garrus take the shot in his loyalty mission. I thought that it wasn’t what Garrus really needed, and that he really needed to be able to forget the past and move on. The best way I thought for that was for him to let go of revenge.
Mass effect 2 was so impactful to me I now constantly try to get my friends to play the series
I never knew about the Dark Energy plot line until this video. That would have made the Reapers harder to hate and really would have thrown the ethics of fighting them into question. It also would have been a great way to segue into the Indoctrination Theory plot line. Huge kudos for the research and organization of a very dense game/series. Incredible job condensing everything without blowing over anything important.
“I’ve had enough of your disengenuous assertions!” is one of my favorite videogame moments of all time.
One thing I think that's absent here its the fact that it is a retrospective. When it came out and we were unsure about the next step and what would or wouldn't be expanded on. The ending of Arrival sent a shiver across my body because I wasnt sure when ME would come about. Having prior knowledge and info how everything shakes down makes things less intense.
I love your game analysis. Never disappointed. I always learn something new from games that I play 1000 times. Keep the good work
I always thought the collectors were meant to be a sort of clean up crew after the reaper's arrival, but they had to be activated early because the Reaper Invasion was delayed. Why else would they have a massive ship with enough pods to collect an entire planet, and a reaper assembly area on their homeworld/station/hive?
To me, Mass Effect 2 is "Daddy Issues and Plot Hole" the game.
The idea that the human reaper is the "Core" of the Reaper whole is not what I got out of that, even the dialog you get from EDI: "It appears a Reaper's shape is based upon the species used to create it."
This is in direct conflict with what has been shown up to that point as well as the clarification (retcon) given in the Leviathan DLC of ME3. Its an interesting bit of head canon, but that is not how it was described in the game.
It also does not explain why the Collectors are doing this work prior to the official harvest for that cycle.
EDI says something about the Reapers not being able to get Protheans to distill down to miracle grow juice (i.e. they couldn't actually harvest them) but at the same time we are told the collectors are genetically altered to serve the Reapers. So the Reapers can genetically alter the Protheans but can't melt them down into glue? Are the Reapers so desperate for new units that they have to preform a pre-harvest using the Collectors before the real Harvest?
ME2's main plot line introduces a lot of questions, but answers none of them. This leads us to think it will be answered in ME3 just like a lot of the B-plot story lines, but they never actually do, or worse they are out right refuted.
Also, I gotta disagree with your planetary exploration opinion. ME1's planetary exploration nearly made me quit the game it was so tedious and boring. It could have been fun, but the same 2 prefab interiors and heightmaps that were turned up to 11 felt like last minute padding because the main plot didn't have enough run time. I find all attempts at "planetary exploration" from ME1-3, DLCs included, are all the weakest parts and feel like crap I have to wade through to get to the good stuff.
Aside from those two disagreements you and I agree on most everything else.
I think by the time up til they did the leviathan dlc they didn't have a fully nailed down origin of the reapers. So what that could've been was harbinger's experiment of doing something that in reality was a failed experiment. The true reapers were created in the leviathans image since they were the ones who created the catalyst, the Main AI of the reapers.
ME2 basically answers one question (why are the Collectors harvesting humans?) and that one answer only raises more questions.
1. Why are they doing this NOW?
2. How is this going to free the Reapers from their Dark Space prison?
3. How is human goo processed into sci-fi metal?
4. Why is the Reaper human-shaped?
5. Why didn't the Collector ship aid Sovereign at the end of ME1?
6. How are the Collectors planning on attacking Earth in order to finish the Reaper?
And then there's Arrival. Goddamn motherfuckin' Arrival. This... thing completely invalidates the story of ME1.
In ME1, the Reapers were TRAPPED in Dark Space. Their only way out was the Citadel Relay. Everything in ME1 confirms that fact. But now, APPARENTLY, the Reapers can just fly into the Milky Way. And it only takes them a couple of months, 2 years maximum. So... Sovereign plotting and scheming for decades if not centuries... was completely pointless. They could've flown in, used the Alpha Relay, go straight to the Citadel, disable the Relay Network and boom - they win! With the galaxy being none the wiser.
So the story of the Reapers is as follows:
ME1 - they waste time with Sovereign
ME2 - they waste time with the Collectors
ME3 - they waste time by not going straight to the Citadel
Like, damn. The entire story completely collapsed on itself after ME1.
@@ThePreciseClimber Some things are like that as when they made the first game they just began making the lore so technically the Collectors didn't exist. In my opinion they started having the Collectors harvest humans as the Reapers realized how valuable the humans are because of Shepard who is a Human. Also I still don't get how the human goo is used to make a reaper. Also EDI says whatever species is harvested the Reaper looks like that species which does not make sense as all the capital ship Reapers look like the Leviathans. Also, one could imagine that there's a Mass Relay out in Dark Space where the Reapers hibernate and once they awake approximately every 50k years they use that relay to port to the Citadel Relay. However you also remember the Protheans scientists disabled the Citadel Relay from working. Also Sovereign was trying to figure out why the Citadel Relay stopped working when he sent the signal to power it on to let his Reaper friends through even though he is a Reaper he couldn't just appear and take on the whole galaxy. He had to do it in an incognito way as to not alert the entire galaxy of the Reaper threat, so he was taking his time, by the time of Mass Effect 1, we don't know how long Sovereign had been trying to get the Citadel Relay back online. Could have been decades or centuries.
A small detail I always missed during Tali's loyalty mission was her strained relationship with her father. If you don't use a paragon interrupt to hug it out, Tali instead talks about how what she wanted was a father who was there to spend time with her instead of away chasing dreams of reclaiming the homeworld.
If you expose the evidence at the trial, Tali can vent to Admiral Ran about how her father's last words were not a goodbye to her but rather instructions for Tali to shutdown the geth and retrieve the data. And on the Normandy, Shepard can defend his actions be saying it was what her father wanted but Tali responds that she is tired of people doing terrible things for her benefit and without her consent. Exposing the evidence will result in her not being loyal for the final mission.
If you allow Tali to be exiled, Admiral Ran will angrily confront you two about not showing the data. Tali can respond that it is for the good of the fleet which only makes Ran angrier, with her saying that Tali is just like her father being far too willing to sacrifice everything for the fleet. Tali however takes her exile with pride saying she was exiled for the good of the fleet and not through any fault of her own. Allowing her to be exiled actually results in her being loyal.
I adore this mission for highlighting how much Tali wished her father wasn't so absent, too focused on the fleet to care for his own daughter; and yet Tali also is just as willing to sacrifice anything for the fleet, even her own place in it.
I have the opposite opinion. The Daddy issue trope is a lazy & pushing narrative shown way too much in media and shows more about the producers writers perceived trauma than I believe fits Tali. She idolized her father and it would nice to know she realized her father's love in his attempt to do ANYTHING to make sure she had a normal life on their homeworld.
@Imapotato The fact that basically everyone has "daddy issues" in Mass Effect is pretty bad when you think about it.
Miranda has the egomaniacal father, Jacob has an actual monster for a father, Thane is an absentee father, and Wrex's father literally tried to kill him. But at least Tali's story is the most fleshed and nuanced of the bunch.
@@NinjaMan47 Yea that is why I hoped one of the great characters would have been spared. In ME2 she showed none of that, but she gets drunk & slams her dad... was disappointing
One of my biggest issues with ME2's story is the fact that Sole Survivor Shepard - if the Corporal Toombs mission was done in ME - never mentions the fact they killed his Akuze squadmates due to their experiments with thresher maws. Ever. Despite being a significant event in his life that shaped a part of his personality. Tela Vasir had to actually point that out. The reason, of course, is because we wouldn't have the intended ME2 story (which I love, to be clear) if that fact were brought up, as it would be too unbelievable that Shepard would work with Cerberus then. I still think it's a really cheap way they went about it, though.
And Cerberus is DEFINITELY a terrorist organisation. They went rogue and split off from the Alliance, conducted inhumane experiments on humans and aliens, silenced even high-ranking military officials that found out too much, assassinated political figures, kidnapped children, etc. I agree that it isn't black and white and they're mostly helpful in this game, but that doesn't make them any less terrorists, or wash away the fact they did some absolutely horrendous things up to that point.
I think there are ways that Sole Survivor Shepard would work with Cerberus. Shepard doesn't have to trust nor forgive Cerberus for what they have done, but he doesn't have much options since Alliance and Council refuses to help and he needs resources and team to take down Collectors from attacking any other colonies. Still, i wish there was chance for Shepard to call out TIM for the Akuze incident and TIM would say they were separate or rogue scientists or something. I wish we didn't need Vasir to point that out for us.
Nope. Operation: paperclip 'em.......
I like to think Shep regardless of trauma is practical enough to realize sometimes you have to work with people you hate for a greater purpose. Shep had no other realistic options for funding and a squad.
Outside of Cerberus there's not an alternative to fight the Collectors. The Alliance just give you the middle finger and don't trust you. The Council cut ties with you, despite that hey can give you your Spectre status, and don't want to be involved in what they call “human business".
The only alternative is Cerberus. Is up to the player to trust in them or not. However I'm agree that the game should have let us been more vocal about the shit they did
There's some dialogue options that mentioned the side quests in MA1 but that's it. But you can be very clear about not trusting Cerberus
I would think they would at least have an option to point it out to the Illusive man
If we're going to ignore the "surprise twist" at the end, what if the Collectors had the captured colonists and transformed them into human Collectors to be used as shock troops for the Reapers, like they did to the Protheans, if the Collector armor is any indication.
Was just rewatching the first one last night!! Thank you Gingy❤️❤️
Garrus left the space police to become space Batman
Dude I just wanna say you're quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers, Appreciate ya and can't wait to watch this mass effect is one of my favorite game series flaws and all
There is actually a paragon option with Kasumi where you offer to destroy the greybox for her. **spoiler** if she keeps that box it gets stolen. She also never moves on and heals from her lovers death. Some paragon actions are bad lol
I saved sidonus or whatever his name is because:
1. I’m always choosing paragon options
2. He does eventually turn himself in. You can hear it on the galactic news thingies
I get why people love the game, I just think it blinds people to its faults. Shamus Young does an excellent video on how many of the things Mass Effect 1 set up to make writing Mass Effect 2 easier are thrown out the window. Such as being a Spectre giving character agency, hints of the galaxy getting ready for what comes next, Laura’s research, etc.
But what damages this game severely is that by and large it adds nothing to the Reaper plot. The Collectors don’t advance the Reaper story at all. We end ME1 and start ME3 in the same position. Honestly ME2 should’ve been about getting the galaxy ready for the Reapers. Maybe even have a Dragon Age style group meeting where we try to plead our case to the other races. Which would determine how easy or hard it would be to fight the Reapers in ME3.
It also doesn’t help this game hurts ME3 by answering like idk… Shepard coming from the grave might be a big deal! Like Jesus, no one in ME2 bothers to ask if Shepard is really Shepard since he technically died. No one bats an eye about it and it’s shocking the writers didn’t notice this gaping problem.
Oh, and then there’s the problem that the vast majority of squad mates are entirely pointless. Now I love them as characters kind you, but why do we need Thane when we never use his assassin/ ninja abilities on a mission? Or how about Jack? Who seems like a liability than an asset. Mordin is probably the only squad mate who has any plot relevance with the Collectors.
Thank you!!!! It's literally about nothing tbh. The third one is so much better played on legendary, I was shocked how much they added to it and I was not impressed at all with how weak this second game is
PS I think original shep is gone. This is a new soul with his/her memories
I just got through my first Legendary play through of the trilogy and, though I do love 2 as well, you capture my thoughts exactly. Despite those faults I do think it is probably the best individual game of the three, though ME3 is still my favorite. It’s completely structured on what Bioware did best at the time: character and immersive world building, and thus it gets away with having a very thin main plot that, once you know it, is rather mechanical and contrived and does little for the trilogy as a whole. All that said, it still ends well enough, and is again probably the best overall game experience.
Lair of the Shadow Broker easily has the best romance writing in the entire trilogy and it's not even close.
Liara the Shadow Broker.
Zaeed was one of my favorites because of how much he was like a friend of mine, who would always keep an eye on the neighborhood and school, sadly he would later die to side-effects of agent orange before I graduated from high-school. Then Zaeed was the only one to die in my play though, that really hurt me, haven't touched it since 💔 😭
Thanks Gingy!
Absolutely loving your Retrospectives!
Keep up the good work, and thanks for giving us some amazing content to watch!
Looking forward to ME3 and MEA
Mani just did Thanes loyalty mission today and at one point i was literally a pixel away from losing my target, to know that that actually would have resulted on the mission being completely failed gives such weight to having completed it, mass effect 2 is truly a great game
This is my favourite game ever an absolute masterpiece from start to finish.
I agree 100% - I played the original trilogy as they were released and played through MELE about 3 times so far. MELE has brought a new generation of ME fans more than a decade after the release of ME1 - a sign of a true masterpiece.
True, and personally, I like the story, I don't see how it's the weakest. Mass Effect games always had a few missions about the main story so idk why this CZcamsr specifically picked on ME2 for this. I like the reapers in 3 but they were never important enough to me that I would mind not seeing them for a while game. I think people should complain more about how little of the Virmire survivor we saw. I know we're with Cerberus, but Bioware could've done way more with them than 2 scenes.
@@channel45853 Yeah. And since in this game they have such a small screentime, the reunion in the third game doesn't really feel that much satisfying because there is a huge gap between the first and third game in their character development. Also, I have a bit of a problem with how they are introduced in the third game as well (that stupid distrustfulness from Ashley I swear). Fortunately as the ME3 progresses the aspect of their character gets a lot better, but it's just a pity that they could've been one of the more important characters (furthermore playing into the "make your own story" element of the game), but end up as one of the side characters you don't care as much about. I feel like Virmire survivor should've been an easy slam dunk from BioWare, but they were too lazy to write them I guess.
Wow, just finished rewatching your video on ME1 last night and now this? Can’t ask for more
I love watching videos like even if I've played these games thousands of times, I always learn something new!. I never considered bringing Legion to Tali's missions! Also one of my favorite things about this game is getting to know the companions! Recruiting them was great but when I found out I had to do quests for them, I got super excited!
Another top notch video!!! Thanks for these.
Fun fact: the Vorcha are voiced by Mark Meer who also voices male Shepherd
Fantastic content as always! Keep up the great work! 😊
I feel like the Genophage worked a lot better in the first game, where it wasn't clear that it was intended only to reduce Krogan numbers to a manageable level. It made it a lot more morally grey. The second game gives you an easy out for arguing in it's favour.
I bought the Mass Effect collection because of these videos..... Keep em coming man. They also make good bedtime stories lol
Thank you for being the first lore channel I’ve heard accurately describe primary and secondary mass relays
Gingy, I'm glad I found your channel. Not only did you breakdown fallout and dark souls in a way where I could understand the story better, you've made me believe that video games were art again. I can't wait until you breakdown Mass Effect 3 which will be a glorious culmination just like you did with Dark Souls. You are a very bright man and give good introspective. Honestly I feel like you are a pseudo friend to me even though I will never meet you.
Can't believe I spent 2 straight hours watching this, damn the content is so good that time went by without me noticing
Good job putting this together, I'm usually not a fan of longer form vids but this was well done.
If you do project ascension after the end of the main plotline (as i always do tbh) you get to see harbinger in its real reaper form, not significant but pretty cool
Mass effect 123 is my favourite game series ever. Actually teared up at the Xmas party photo at the end of 3 😭
So many companions and yet I used garrus and wrex/grunt through the entire series lol
Love all your content. The amount of detail you provide is incredible.
he does a good job but he still missed a lot, same with ME1
My only problem with the game is that when you’re planning the series back to back, 2 just feels like side mission the game.
None of the missions feels connected to each other and I don’t feel the pay off of any of it until the last mission and playing through 3.
There’s only like 5 or 6 actually main mission in a game that has like 30 or 40 something and half of those are really short. I don’t dislike like the game at all, I think it’s really well crafted, it was the first of the trilogy that I played. But it’s my least favorite of the 3 now cause it steers from the main plot so much for much of its run time I feel.
yeah, in hindsight its basically all just set up for 3 really.
1:46:09 fun fact, theres "unused" dialogue that shows garrus reacting to legion, basically a "hm, normally id decline but ill take it, cant be picky" like kal reegar. I say "unused" because its in the game, but you have to get legion later on
those mods that allow you to have Legion from the begining are hilarious
Great video,
One thing, renege isn't 'evil' it's 'ends justify the means'- must stop the reapers, you either help or you get out of the way.
Again.. Great video and can't wait for the next!
I can’t say I agree with you on everything but you present in such a way I’m excited to see you’re take on mass effect 3
Looks like I arrived here really early. Lucky me, been waiting for your next video anxiously.
absolute banger of a video Gingy, Love the content you make, Looking forward to the MS3 video as well 😄
Good job on the video Gingy! keep up the good work.
Stumbled upon your channel yesterday and binged four videos back to back, now you drop a review of my all time favorite game. Great day!
Edit: spelling
I love your videos Gingy keep up the good work!
Spent this weekend watching your channel noice 👍🏾
Been waiting for this! I love Mass Effect 2. Looking forward to hearing your opinion. I watched your entire Soulsborne series after I completed their respective game. Just watched your Sekiro one yesterday shortly after I finished Sekiro for the first time.
This has been jolly!!! Thanks!!!
To add to your review, yes, Mass Effect 2 was on 2 disks. And originally you were supposed to get all dossiers at the start. There's even Diolog still in game from aliens going into the plague zone to recruit Mordin.
10:52 Tackle to the nuts? Outstanding move Shepard, that's why you're the boss
Another master piece good work man
You deserve so much more credit for explaining these games so we'll. I knew nothing before I watched your videos.
Thane is absolute sweetheart in my eyes. I absolutely loved him 😭
These videos are so good I can’t wait for the me3 one
I have been binge watching all of your videos lately... amazing content i cannot get enough. I'd love to see you talk about Silent Hill 2 sometime. Especially because of the remake releasing soon. Cheers.
48:47 Aresh actually survives the bomb explosion and saves alot of people in ME3 when he delays the reapers as civilians evacuate. He dies doing that.
The “disable mission timer” mod is a godsend if you wanted to recruit and use legion more.
I never knew about the Legion flotilla interactions, never tried so hard to go out of my way. That’s so awesome that the team thought of that stuff.
I'm not too sure why but the email in ME3 where you see Kal Reagar is killed saving a Turian Patrol almost brings a tear to my eye. Because you can't save everyone, and he was always gonna be one of those people ready to lay down his life for anyone, and it's one of those that makes the message in ME3 hit. Playing through ME2 now can't wait to get back to ME3.
Gingy, I liked this video because it's awesome!
A Mass Effect 2 with the Normandy Squadmate interactions that ME3 had (the ones where garrus could move from his guns and tell war stories) is easily an S tier game right there
Great video 😊😎👍. Mass effect is one of my favorite video games.
Samara is host to the hardest line in the trilogy. “You won’t be able to stop me”
THAT’S an introduction
Thank you for making this
Tali has always been my main squeeze! Even if her canonical appearance is a stock photo.
You can save the workers and still earn Zaeed loyalty by a paragon speech check also the locust smg is supresed
Been waiting for this since the last one dropped
Excellent video! fun watch!
I saved the renegade playthru for FemShep, but even as a renegade, chose to play as “the A**hole with a heart of gold.” I.E. focused on safeguarding humanity, but made room in her schedule for the other races where it would benefit mankind/serve her own personal desires. Went all the way to controlling the Reapers bcuz she saw it as the only way of ensuring human dominance while still leaving room for the other races to have their own place (she’d gone all the way with Garrus by this point, and was effectively a half-sister with Tali and Liara).
This is why the original ME trilogy will always stand above whatever comes next in the continuity for me. No other series will manage to equal the inter-personal bonds between the main characters while simultaneously having the stakes set so unfathomably high.