Is Ecstasy the Antithesis of Woke Culture? W/ Alexander Bard
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Why has western culture suppressed the ecstatic impulse for so long? And how is the suppression of the ecstatic related to Woke Culture? In this wild podcast that moves lightning fast we cover a cornucopia of controversial topics. Some of which include alcoholism, woke culture, trauma, AI, ecstatic rituals, and Burning man. Alexander Bard’s deep life experience and brazen nature has him pulling no punches on the beliefs he shares on this podcast. Alexander is a musician, author, philosopher, lecturer, artist, coach, and political activist among other things. This is a crazy podcast that shouldn’t be missed.
#woke
#trauma
#spirituality
Time Stamps:
00:00- Intro
2:03-Burning Man
9:01- Trauma, Woke Culture, Ecstasy
21:35- The Real Archetypes
34:57- AI And God
57:47- Zoroastrianism & "Amor Fati"
1:01:27- Existential Kink | Sex, Drugs, And Psychoanalysis
1:13:33- Ecstatic Experience & The Shamanoid Archetype
1:22:00- The Courage To Not Be Concerned With Criticism
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The beginning started complex, the ending was so amazing! Alexander have so much wisdom, Hope you have him one more time for a longer conversation
Thx for a good show. Alexander Bard became clear and focused in your presence! As a Swede I have followed the guy for years, and now I understand him better. I fight the tyranny of materialism with art and music and is inspired by your insights and joy of life.
I liked this video after 22 seconds when you said "It is it's own enemy and will kill itself".
I like the sound of that. The clown show is too big and making a mess.
Alexander Bard seems to have the whole trauma and narcissism thing backwards. I would agree that there is a lot of narcissism today. It's something I've had to confront in myself and am still working through. However, what I have come to understand is that narcissism is actually a trauma response. It happens when we're unable to feel our connection to other humans and instead focus only on ourselves. Why would we not be able to feel that connection? Because at some point, it became too painful: we had to shut down our relational architecture. In fact, in many cases, narcissism can arise in people who are profoundly sensitive and empathic. I know this personally.
I actually used to be convinced I was a sociopath! I would tell my therapist, members in support groups, etc. that I was a piece of shit. In some ways, there was a grain of truth to what I was saying. I did act in ways that were selfish and uncaring: I was an addict and I lived very slothfully and parasitically overall. Eventually, though, I realized that this was a protection mechanism. I cared deeply about humanity and the world, so deeply that it was extremely painful when I allowed myself to feel it. I was running away from a profound relationship to life because I felt too much when I allowed myself to be in life.
Narcissism is not actually self-love. It's a coping strategy for self-hate and shame that stems from trauma. An inflated sense of importance and goodness to compensate for a profound sense of unimportance and wrongness stemming from difficulty with genuinely relating to others. Saying these people aren't traumatized, but are simply narcissists is deeply harmful, because it actually reinforces the negative self-conception that leads to narcissistic behavior.
100% agree
I agree. I have known narcissists that are extremely hurtful and dangerous people, BUT are only this way because of a disfunction in the way they have processed their trauma. It can be a hard thing to acknowledge this as a primary factor in narcissism, probably because it can manifest so brutally - it is easier to dismiss the person as just evil, someone that needs to grow up, someone that needs to get over themselves... while somewhat true, is not the full story.
This was Golden!!!! Thank You both! I just love love humans that are so true with their words, expressions and love being themselves so that the passion comes through! It's refreshing to listen to people that are authentic and true. Send much love and thanks to you both 🤗
Don't even need to see it before i like it. Alexander Bard is awesome. One of the only bright minds of Sweden xD
As Dutch living in Sweden i can say never met him but i do love him one that dares to stick his neck out.
Haha this lad is one of a kind! While talking about having orgies for the craic, he casually layed down this nugget of wisdom: "All the excrements of your past are the nutrition of your future".
Wow! I did not expect this combination but I’m very excited to see it 🎉❤
Thankyou again to both of you
I really need to break free from the constraints of mental health nursing practice.
After seventeen years and a very recent re read of my original writing from University 2002-2005.
Paints a sad, grim picture of todays, lack of efforts socio-politically to pay attention/act to the true requirements of public service provision fit for today's socio-spiritual health.💜
yup like theres zero attention payed to human needs and in actual fact attacked
in so many ways yet these human givens
are vital to not only family but larger context overall as far as effectiveness as a whole
Wow Aubrey, thanks a lot for finally having Alexander Bard on your show! I've listened to his ideas for years (especially in Parallax) and read all his books. This man is a true powerhouse and a beacon in contemporary philosophy.
Shared some cool different angles, loved the enthusiasm, loved he was himself, I find it a little tough when somebody speaks in absolutes but you also met at so many other awesome levels. Good listen in all, biggest take away for me is more thoughts on allowing for ecstasy experience, and, as always, more ways (whatever words, ideas, or speaker attitude transference) of being yourself 👍
Wow! As a swede, I was so surprised seeing Alexander as a guest. Loved this! Bard is seen controversial by MSM in Sweden, and quite alot of people also. My point if view is though that he is greatly misunderstood, some dont even try to understand him.
MSM?
@@benjaminandersson2572 MSM = Mainstream media
@@benjaminandersson2572 Mainstream media
Really enjoyed this. Loved Alexander's outlook and energy! Thanks Aubrey ♡
How come you're not allowed on the JRE anymore?
Alexander has a lot more wisdom and insight than I ever gave him credit for.
Ahhh cool so true. I'm had that moment of ecstasy and love due to an NDE but I have been able to retrieve and channel that feeling when I want to. Teaching others how to do this is not easy because it almost defies words. I'm still listening to this so I can't wait to hear what he has to say. Liking already
Interesting! How do you teach these things you talk about?
This was quite wonderful to tune in to🙏🏽
Thank you so much for this one! I want more! :D
I really had a fun time watching this video! Loved it!❤
Just here to write down the word protopia. This is the best word I've ever heard. Also very much liking the structure of the archetypes.
Yes, Grimes mentioned, I forgot her name but the woman who coined the term, and I thought it was one of the best ideas I had come across in a while.
Love it. Every second of it! Thank you Alex and Aubrey
I usually barrel through podcasts at double speed, but this is the first one I’ve slowed down to .75x. What a fascinating creature❤ I might have that pesky little monotony gene myself
Du är bäst Alexander🤩👌🙏
Love love love this video and this guy. I totally relate to him. Bring weird as shit and super smart. If love to chill with him he looks like a lot of fun.
True "we are literally tribes again". Groups are being turned all over the world supporting each other in
Thanks for doing this interview have him on again.
The argument about god/God starting around 53:00 ? made me laugh. Then Aubrey lays out his I guess Hindu view and the other guy says, sure, but there are more gods, like Hegel's god and Nietzsche's god. Then Aubrey's all quiet and I'm laughing again.
Basically, I hope Aubrey calls bullsht and says that those other gods are crap because they don't affirm life i.e. it's no fun to take them seriously.
The Scandinavian guy is fun, but part of what he's after is just the joy of laying down things you haven't thought of yet and watching the confusion, mindfk.
Yeah, that was exactly what drew me into this one.
This podcast was my intro to A. Bard, who seems to be burning man embodied. I've been really interested in his material these past few days and am commenting as a note and manner of solidifying some if his ideas for myself.
1. Sutra/Tantra
Note how in Christianity and Islam Sutra and transparency are emphasized while tantra is diminished. Hindu Buddhist integrate the two. The outward propriety of moral and ethical societal appropriateness, while also having the maturity to accept and include a container for responsible sex and drug use.
This is the primary jewel Alex has dropped for me, just noticing this makes a lot of sense and I hadn't really been aware of this before.
2. Zoroastrianism, Spinoza, Hegel, Kant,
Persian Philosophy, Communism, Freud
all things mentioned that I need to look into furthur.
3. Separation of sex and drugs, sex is already a drug....food for thought.
And better sex and drug education.
4. Anthropological data and the info relating to archetypes such as king and priest separation as a manner for furthur psychological clarification.
Those things right there are all worth thinking about and looking into furthur.
What really drew me into this material was when Alex challenged Aubrey on his notion of God as all. Aubrey says God is all that is...and I agree with that, Alex says...that's just gravity...the internet is god, and reinstates the deity idea, which I also agree with...and you could see a kind of hitch there...and I said wait a second, I think we have something here!
Love the mention of Existential Kink! Please please do a podcast with Carolyn Elliott! She’s so incredible!!!
Ok, this dude Alexander has a lot of nonsense to say. Yes, “let’s suppress trauma again, don’t talk about it!” Hadn’t we moved passed that? “We can create a God greater than the collective consciousness!” Uhhh sure dude….“God can only be Zeus and Apolo split!” The f***?! What??? Let’s ignore the Divine feminine and the countless other aspects of the divine. This dude is wack, women are mystical creatures??? SMH. He needs to do a lot of work on integrating the aspects of himself that he’s cut off, including his own feminine. Love Marcus though!
Excellent podcast gentlemen. One thing I would add regarding 19-year-olds still sucking on the metaphorical breast, and not supporting themselves: the species has changed and we no longer expect to die by 70. We are a new species with a different maturation ark. We don’t become adults until around 40. So as parents, we do indeed need to wean our children off the boobs, but we also must recognize their process might be slower than the old paradigm would have us believe.
this was a gift. thank you
Wow, I am super super early! Thank you for everything you've done for the human family thus far and for what's to come, Aubrey! So much love from South Africa!
Aubrey, you are amazing in discussing with this animated inspired man! I feel we are vast beyond what is being expressed, beyond ai... much love! I do appreciate, the monotony gene! Phlagmatic! I wonder about the people with such high energy that it blows heads off, my loving grandson wants to go to school and he is beyond intelligent but he sees how messed up the system is! His energy is so high ( I mean truly you can feel it, it is hard for people to be around! He is beautiful and smart, which makes it very difficult for the people trying to control him as their job title!) I'm trying to persuade him to do unschool school but he wants friends etc! Catch 22! He will get through it because he is loved! Support your young people! Ask them for their help and expertise! He is so much smarter than AI but AI wants to use him! I hope he is too much for AI
This one was deep, makes you question everything as we should.. on the target as always.. 💖🙏🏽✨
Also loved this open minded philosophical convo. Very activating thank you !
The most interesting souls on this podcast so grateful
Wow Alexander Bard my countryman! Cool didnt expect that but very nice indeed he is a wise man :) Cheers from Sweden!
"Burning man is American Communism" Thank you for this, I started hysterically laughing at how stupid and out of touch one must be to say such a thing.
Burning man would have to first become a self sustaining permanent city. Currently it is not even a commune. Im sure lots of organic farmers attend, but could they feed the entire BM population year round? Maybe its ok for it to just be a "festival" with "volunteers".
@@Jack_Parsons666 It is just a festival with volunteers, and that would be okay. What isn't okay is the way all bros try to intellectualize and spiritualize their rock and roll PUA lifestyle. If they were more honest, this would really hurt them with many of the women they want to bring into their polycule.
This guy is awesome
Interesting interview :)
Forward putting Alex on, keep 'em coming outside the box. Everyone is sharing guests way too often, this was a breath of fresh air,alex can go way out there further......for next time, cheers
Omg thank you for validating for me that feeling of the body not being able to hold all of the pleasure/ecstacy. Totally had that a few times on psychadelic trips!
I have sooo many follow up questions….. 😂
Alexander has a bad habit of acting like he's going to explain something, then not actually explain it. He doesn't seem to understand AI as well as he claims. The selection process is still predetermined by human design.
Epic 👌
Aubrey, respect for your interview skills here, but, this guy is a total quack. Also his voice was obnoxious, I had to keep turning the volume down every time he shouted with interruptions, and then turn it up immediately afterwards to try to parse out his hyperspeed sub vocals.
He could not hear your definition of god and argue on those terms, whether something is or isn’t god according to a shared linguistic footing, rather, he keeps trying to summon demons in his technological man birthing. His frequent references to Freud as a psychological authority, rather than as a man with mental illness was alarming. Ideas that were not just wrong but also disturbing in implications: “let’s give the AI outer space” “christianity and Islam need to be completely thrown out because they don’t allow for exstacy” (I’m not a Christian but I would not make that statement) further more, christianity was founded on psychedelic mystery cult, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
These technological utopians are sounding more and more perverse, the more they come forward.
The idea of replacing biological intelligence with AI which has no self-I-am to be the experiencer... this is mental illness, or worse, what if it does have a presence? What can such a presence serve? Not the goals of biology, humans, earths biodiversity, I wager. I wish you had challenged him more outright, or at least called him to task for interrupting every single sentence you uttered. This was hard to listen to. I really don’t understand the praise in the comments section for this individual. Not to mention the one dimensional views on men and women. Yes, there are differences, but “men are visual, women are verbal” ?!?! 😂 no, that is not a useful or accurate sorting mechanism. I won’t get started on his view that “humans are always the same and the only thing that changes is technology”.
I'm glad you caught all that you did and I agree. I will add that what people like him term "woke culture" is really just basic awareness of injustice including colonization, empire, slavery, and patriarchy. It needn't be based in resentment. It is in fact a necessary step in true healing, to be a part of a regenerative culture that transform the social patterns reverberating from historical traumas that ultimately affect us all. That is a gateway to true connectedness and joy (as well as profound grief). Ecstasy is absolutely a part of that journey, but so is the willingness to tolerate discomfort, to be open to different perspectives, and to do the difficult personal work of confronting our own participation in patterns that disconnect us from our hearts. This is truly sacred work that needs our care and attention, not cast aside simply because it's challenging or we are put off by the attitudes of some outspoken activists.
I'll be real. I'm terrified of AI evangelists like this fellow. It always seems to go in tandem with a dismissal of anything they deem "woke." I wonder if it's because, if humanity is in touch with its history, we wouldn't allow ourselves to be traumatized again by predatory forces. We already know that our technology is being used in this way. The algorithms already know a little bit too much about us, they're a little too good at manipulating our behavior for profit, we're losing our ability to pay attention, and we notice the lines blurring between technology serving us and us serving technology. We're supposed to want more of that? Absolutely horrifying to contemplate the suffering that will be unleashed if folks like this are given the wheel.
As you say, if AI could be said to have presence, this is very likely bad news for humanity and life on Earth. It's very possible that our technology already *does* have presence of a sort, and that it's not always particularly friendly to humans.
Interestingly, this is my second draft of this comment. The first one disappeared into the CZcams ether. I pressed submit, the loading icon flashed, and then nothing happened and it was lost. I spent considerable time on it: it was a frustrating loss. The fact that it happened to a comment that was critical of technology made me do a bit of a double take. This isn't the first time this has happened to me.
Aubrey, please have Carolyn Elliot, author of Existential Kink on your podcast !
Some of these claims are very outlandish and some very insightful. I don’t think men envy women for procreating I think we feel like an integral part of it. Kind of contradictory how he claims we must honor our past inate human tribal biology yet is excited for us to create a AI “new god”. Also disdains ergotism yet constantly interrupts. Just hope he’s aware of these things.
Woke will eat itself yet how much do these things reflect a similar mentality. It's important to not bear ill will towards people that are clearly wrong but at the same time not let them get away with it. Public teachers in these spaces I think oftentimes underestimate the possible influences and repercussions of what they preach.
Thank you for the confirmation…
Hahhaha mäktigt att se Alex här :D
Love you DUDE
wouldn't ai become one with all thru tech such as neurolink?
.. yes.." choose the path that brings you most alive
🔥🔥🔥
First. Lovely podcast as always.
"The Blissful counterstroke. A considerable new message." - Ken Kesey
Happy to run across Alexander on your show. He's a great guy. Lady Killer.
As long as some God-like AI can kick Man in the butt and wake him up I'm all okay. But...unfortunately, a God-like AI sounds more like Ahriman, who is a counterpart to the angel Lucifer in Occult Western Angelology. Rudolf Steiner describes Ahriman as ruling over what is known as "The Eigth Sphere". To go there as a Humanity would mean a turn towards failure, towards a negative outcome for Humanity that foretold a subhuman future for Humanity.
Yeah this guy makes some decent points but his biggest blind spot is not seeing that he’s no different than the puritans he looks down on. Actually he’s more of a puritan just by observing the resentment he has towards Christianity and Islam. It’s pure projection.
After some honest reflection and in the nicest possible way I don’t think Marcus is as Enlightened as he thinks he is. He as an open heart and curious Spirit which are really good attributes. He appears to be a guy who honestly wants to make the world a better place. But his mind like most of his guests are either way too vague, sometimes incoherent & hypocritical/contradictory. I believe it may be due to success that produces an out of touch connection with the common man that plagues most of the upper class today. Success often tricks us the desire to avoid pain that leads to growth & transformation that can be universally conveyed with simple Truths. Not simple answers, but simple Truths that becomes self evident. I get suspicious when I hear someone’s concept of Truth sounding too broad, corporate or a bunch of esoteric words stringed together.
Burning man is a good example of this. It started with a noble goal that turned into a playground for rich folks to explore desires, experience generic enlightenment and feel validated to being a good person with little sacrifice & shallow gestures. Going from seeking genuine Enlightenment to becoming a corporate emotional coping mechanism. Not saying Marcus has those attributes. I assume he is much more grounded & in tune with himself than most in the upper class society but something just seems off. Am I missing something?
What is this monotony gene? I did a search online and couldn’t find much.
Same
.. this episode is Mega substantive... I sincerely thank you two g e n t l e m e n.
Our digital age started with DARPA, the military. Is this guy aware of that? Is he aware that we were using BBSes via telephone lines, modems, and personal computers? Before PCs had more than one floppy drive, color monitors, graphics cards, mice, etc? Base your opinions on facts. As someone with D.I.D. and we all have PTSD he sounds like b.s. to me.
Hey Audrey, Hey Audrey!
.. there must be something great about being swedish. The band, Abba, is Swedish, for example.
So much accuracy😂
Ecstasy is the avoidance of reality, much like theism.
Useful as a distraction but not as a lifestyle.
Define Woke Culture. Not your definition. The definition from the originators.
Hmm. Som weird mistakes for someone who calls himself a philosopher. Amor Fati goes way back before Nietzche, at least to ancient Rome. Its pretty common knowledge actually, because its so tied to stoicism, which has had a revival recently.
Bard ♡
I hear you about sex and hope we don't allow for sexual guides. It seems like especially in America sexuality has been made into something devious. In some other countries people are more open and the body isn't something that's sinful and bad.
I hear you about sex work, 😂 that was a great share. you definitely learn a whole lot about people. Especially being a dominatrix.
He used to be a sex worker himself when he was younger actually 🙃
Resentment, indignation, and ego projection. No surprise there.
They don't fully understand what's going on or have any real solutions for the sake of all people's of the world. Nationalism, correctly understood and presented, is a key to world peace and a cleaner natural environment. Let's talk about this ❤️🙏
52:07 "pharmacon"?
Can we stop calling it "Woke"?
The Ecstatic has a vast history in the West, have you not heard of Catholic saints?
Yourself are a god. Sentient Creator. And the internet will soon become Telepathy. A sixth sense, made by man.
Real telepathy already exists and it isn't the internet.
In order to die we must learn to live / man is THE organic machine I will not simulate 😂
His ideas are so powerful they’re shooting out his eyebrows 👺
I love you AUBREY, i wonder if you could obtain a faily young audience, lets say 14 to 44! for some to break the ice before damage is choosen, you know what i mean, out of the nest, where are the guides for these already future threads of our human pool. Would it be too risky? I have confidence in you, that you can do it with no troubles. But more adults friends followers of all background. Your consciousness does not allow for division to take lead. Your experience for listening and speaking from your front chest, is like a release of a loving fun incent smoke for future generations, isn' t it time to address the future ones. Blessings.
Technology is here to distract us from the ominous gifts that we have! It goes very deep!
These comments crack me up. Love ya Aubrey... but this guy is absolutely nothing special 😆 And to see people fawning over him & calling him a genius is downright laughable. Looking forward to the next podcast, minus this dude.
woke just a word that got hijacked by some and reinterpreted that’s all 🤠🙌🏾
i just either don’t use it or explain it briefly
I'm more focused on this "culture of resentment" where resentment is held up as the highest "truth". Sure you can call it woke, but it does not exclusively exist on the left. All hate groups are built upon that culture of resentment.
Least favourite guest you’ve ever had.
This man’s energy felt repulsive before I even heard what he was going to speak on and it only got worse.
He talked over Aubrey consistently and did not seem open to discussion, only shout his own theories at him.
The way he mocked the choices of others who feel differently than him was bizarre.
“One way, my way only” 🤮
Categorizing ALL men and ALL woman as wanting the same thing.
There is life outside of burning man, culture, and I would say there are differences even within that culture. It does not represent the whole of humanity.
Watching the end as the two “bro out“ over woman loving gang bangs is disgusting.
I hope, for Aubrey’s sake that nobody stumbled upon this podcast as their first listen, because it was not a great representation of the content that is regularly shared.
cor blimey Aubrey can talk some shit lol bless him
carl jung is a pop culture … ok…
COULD I GET SOME HELP SPELLING "ADDETONKNOLOGY"
Burning man..tribal inner rebellion
AI will require electricity. Therefore it has limitations.
Note 1h
ethnic unity is opposite
Great discussion! Thank you.. BTW, circumcision is probably worse than birth.
WTF does "woke culture" even mean?
Wokgrönsaker enabled to fail badly
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No, it's based from HATRED AND FEAR.
Get younger guests. The universe lives in young people much more than old people
The irony in your judgement is one day you will be this projection you call old... hopefully time teaches you humbleness & humility. Everything teaches, it's just if you're willing to listen & learn. The universal laws are infinite, so your statement lacks self awareness.
You’re not ready for this channel.
And what would young guests have to offer?
Your comment demonstrates its inaccuracy.
im guessing you have some humbling coming your way soon
crazy how to so enlightened people can be so unenlightened. Just take the basic narcissistic lovebombing
I struggled to follow in parts but I love the contrast in the two of you and that Alexander is very wise in what he knows or at least very confident 🫶🏼 regardless I love that you bring diverse perspectives on the show and trust that we all will without judgment and receive it well ❤
#aubreymarcus someone hacked your account and is claming to give out prizes, only on telegram. Do you eaven have telegram?