3D Printed Molds For Resin Casting - Does That Even Work?
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2022
- No silicone in sight! Just resin printed molds for resin casting.
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ohhhhhhhhhh heck yes! Did you make this for me? I feel like this was made for me... I will pretend this was made for me. Always looking forward to your videos!
Nobody cares about you. Go back to your cave.
Love to see you printing molds on your channel Uncle Jessy!
I love watching this man, he always looks genuinely happy on his lil projects
Can't tell you how much I LOVE this little robot. So cute!!
What you could do is print up a version of your mould with the positive of your object, and make a silicone mold from it. And cast that.
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Literally what I'm looking to do, and why I'm here.
I guess the whole point of this video was to see if this step can be avoided.
I was thinking the exact same thing, Good call! 👍🏻👍🏻
Be aware, that silicone, especially the platinum based one, doesn't cure well around photoresin parts. It's called the inhibitor effect. The workaround is to use cheaper tin based silicone to make a pre-production die, cast a epoxy part in it, then use it as the original for the production dies.
We've recently started using a fleixble 3d printable rubber at work and have had success using it to cast silicone parts for product design students - I'll be messing with it over the next few weeks to see how else we can use it in teaching sculpture, and resin moulding for fine parts if on my list
Flexible printed molds are on the agenda. Should be fun!
Actually, this would be much easier and safer too
What brand do you use? I use water washable, but this would be incredible for simpler molds I wanted to make
@@RobertTolone Ive had reasonable success with simple elegoo water washable transparent green, its got a bit of flex in it, not glass hard like the grey. I have also been printing molds and trying to case silicone parts. I found that the resin seems to prevent the silicon from curing, I had to get some tin cure, which was not as tough as needed.
@@NicoleHam we're using a highly flexible resin rubber from formlabs.
Amazing work Robert, I started modeling and figuring this all out a couple years ago. Awesome to see you evolve your processes using a 3d printer and sharing your experiences !
I like the way these molds are made. Thanks for you input and showing us.
never thought about printing molds, gotta try that out soon. Love to see the passion in the craft.
When a friend's making resin moulds, he prints the positive on a resin printer, then casts a silicon mould around it. It's soft enough to make part extraction a lot easier, but stiff enough to keep its shape.
I do this as well. I Have some resin mold jackets that i've made for things I commonly cast and printed mold to cast silicone molds to do resin casts. If that isn't too convoluted :P
if the mold are empty he loses the shape, here on brazil we use "gesso" idk the translation name of this
@@victorgomes5823 they call it plaster
Wonderful! You just keep cranking out relevant videos relevant for my prototyping.
Awesome! Glad to see you are working with the 3D printer. I’ve been thinking about printing a mold and this will prove very helpful. And I’m working on my own 3D robot as well. Love your PullBot design. Hope all is well with you. See you next Friday!
Very nice! Blender is amazing - it's hard to believe it's completely free and open source.
My friend was talking about your video yesterday, and I didn’t believe him. This is awesome, I’m going to try this too.
I’m going try this! I’ve been 3D printing the part and making a rubber cut mold from it. Which I learned from watching your amazing videos.
Robert. You are a real class act. I mean that with utmost sincerity. I can't wait to dig in to your channel. I've been curious about this sort of thing for a long time. 👍Best!
thank u so much, i've being spending days to understand how to do this 3D other elaborated videos were so complicated, simple, clear, right to the point! love your video !!
Glad to see someone my age have as much fun with this kind of hobby as I do.
0.025 or 0.05mm tolerance works like a charm with mold locking spheres. Great video as always 😃
Good to know, thanks. Zero tolerance was obviously not the way to go!
I also always use .06 to .08 mm clearance for mating parts.
@@RobertTolone You can use 0 Tolerance but at least activate Anti-Aliasing in Chitubox ( If u use it ). The AA will take a few pixels to blur them, so they will leave a tiny gap. I personally use 0.030mm of tolerance. Great Video btw.
All these measurements depend on the materials used. Some resins shrink considerably as they cure. Though this property is unpopular in 3D printing or casting.
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In addition, they shrink differently depending on the geometry of the print. For example, a pin may shrink and become thinner and vice versa - the print around the hole may shrink and the hole will become larger. It depends on the wall thickness, the geometry and even the curvature of the surface.
Rob! Love your videos! You tell it like it is in this casting world! Like you say it's to make you happy!
Great teaching! I don’t think I’ll ever forget what PULL means in this context.
This used to only be possible in an industiral setting and now we are doing it at home. Pretty cool!
i do this for work and modeling for molds, there are so many things to think about. this is a good video.
love the work and your explanation of the PullBot
You have a great voice and your content starts IMMEDIATELY. I really appreciate that you waste no time. You earned a sub from me. Thanks for the content!
Me too, I like videos that dive right in! Thanks for subbing!
I have to say I too prefer the casting resin over 3D resin printing. The results are night and day. however, there are things you can't cast, unless you are a true artist with nerves of steel, sometimes you have no choice to 3D resin print objects no casting would accomplish. Great video, thank you.
Hey, great work! I stumbled across wanting to learn more about casting with the possibility of 3d printing. Very informative and love your passion and enthusiasm.
Great experiments, Robert!
first video and i already love this dude. keep it up bro
I've been experimenting with this exact same thing recently, trying to make custom silicone o-rings for a project. I settled on printing the mold with no registration keys, just divots to help me locate them later. This way I can sand the mold faces flat on a granite surface plate to ensure they come together perfectly for minimal flash. Then I drill out the divots to .25" and add two metal pins for registration. I've also found that smooth-on mold max 30 doesn't have any inhibition problems when used directly against syratech blu resin, which is also pretty tough and not very brittle.
@@PeppoMusic Well, I've only made a few, I'm still tweaking the mould design, but I don't know if the mould will ever wear out. If I'm pulling silicone parts out of a resin mould, it should last indefinitely, shouldn't it? I guess we'll see😄
Nice job, always a pleasure to see a new video.
Just stumbled onto this video. Thank you for sharing your project.
pour one out for the broken mold! Great experiment, especially accounting for no undercuts or places for it to get stuck. Zero forgiveness compared to silicone seems like!
Hey Brookes! Yeah, it was a fun experiment. I think it could be refined to work a lot better.
@@RobertTolone those draft angles are always a challenge too. I might start designing my components with chamfers so that I'll never have to worry about air entrapment and sharp corners causing the mold to get stuck
They have more flexible resins and I believe you can mix and match so that might be one way to make things a little better.
I actually got my resin printer to make moulds, but not like this, I actually plan to make moulds for silicon moulds for resin casting.
@@myopinion69420 hmmm 🤔 one of my thoughts was to make the mould with the part joined to it using a union (boolean) operation and cast the negative if it's a one piece mould
Thanks Rob! always wanted to try this, now I know how!
Very cool proof of concept there!
Thank you! This explains the process perfectly!
Thank you for this video! He's super cute and have learned a lot so far
Really cool project. Enjoyed your video. Looking forward to watching more of your content.
Your channel is wildly good
thank you for making this video, nice lunchtime viewing!
It's so relaxing to hear Martin Sheen doing 3D modeling and printing XD, amazing work!!! thanks for sharing...
Cool! I just had this recommended to me while I am currently printing a mold for resin lol. Glad there is hope! I am using it to make a house key so hopefully the details won't be ruined if I don't have a pressure/vacuum chamber.
I have to say i am immensly impressed by this Video and yourself sir.
As soon as i heard that you modelled it up yourself in blender i subbed! Its amazing and an Inspiration. My Blender experience was very humbling as it is not very easy to understand i think. Keep it up
I have struggled to learn Blender but I’m finally getting comfortable with the modeling part. Animation, procedurals, nodes, Uvs, etc I haven’t even started on yet.
Young man. That was pretty cool. Thanks for sharing.
i had to comment early before I even finished the video. I am so frigging thankful for your insight and your videos. You explain shop tools and terms so easily, I would have never seen myself casting, using PU rubber, dying, and actually owning a pressure pot not even 2 months ago. So THANK YOU!
I'm also really glad you're breaking down the 'pull' concept, Its one of my biggest issues when I model. I don't know much about casting, so Im always running into issues when I finally get to the cast/pull phase. Like YESTERDAY I finally finished a big mold for a toy I'm making with big pointy teeth, but you explaining the 'pull' direction is 100% why those darn teeth get stuck when I pull out my cast. So thanks again!!! I will try to improve my orientations.... and now I continue the video!
Glad you find my videos helpful Nicole. I wish you great success your projects!
excellent work Robert!!!
That's a clean model. Good video, too. Props, good Sir
That's a tough material combo to mold: rigid on rigid. You were smart to use a base layer of wax on top of a spray release. Most folks miss this part. You really need a good wax base (2-3 coats is ideal) to ensure you don't have reactivity between the UV cured resin and the polyurethane. The spray release then helps get it out the rest of the way. We've done a couple videos on 3D printed molds on our YT channel, as it's a frequent request/question, so nice work on showing the success and pitfalls!
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This is really cool stuff. Great video. Thanks for the upload.
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode! Dealing with similar things now in my unrelenting desire to make plastic figures. :D
As you experienced, resin 3D prints are *not* accurate. I switched from Chitubox to Lychee and that somehow made a difference, but with injection molds I still generally will have to sand a while before the mold halves fit together. SUPER impressed with the figure design! It's like you've been doing 3D/computer design for decades!
Love you and your work Mr Crafsman. Awright. 😁😇
As with FDM printers you can do some adjustments of settings to make it very close to having a prefect accuracy.
My resin printer gives me close to 0.0X accuracy but i also spend a lot of time getting my settings just right. it of course also comes down to the resin that you use, it can shrink, expand or even deform when curing.
I had no problems making 2 half's of a mold that merged perfectly to form thin aluminum from a can.
Uh, actually, Crafsman I HAVE been doing computer design since Windows 3.1 I first started using 3d CAD for doing StarWars spaceships, etc for Kid’s meal toys back in the late 90’s. Most of my sculpting has been by hand, but still, I feel like I should be a lot more advanced as a 3-D modeler than I am! I have switched entirely to Blender and it is my goal to become professionally proficient with it this year. And the experience of printing my characters in house has just begun. Over the years I always sent the models out to service bureaus for printing. Back in the 90’s it would cost $1,200 to print a small character! This little $200 Elegoo printer makes prints far superior to those old prints! We always had to re-cast the 3-D print into sculpting wax to clean up all the layer lines. Will definitely look in to Lychee and hope that my printing skills come up to par as well.
@Robert Tolone WHAAAAAT?!? I must have missed the episode where you talked about your legendary past! :D Blender is the one to learn, by the way. I was hung up on my 3D software of choice (started using trueSpace 2 in 1998) and have downloaded Blender every couple of years with the intention of learning it. I've also recently taken some ACTION towards that with my latest download of Blender and some inspiration from Ian Hubert's videos.
You're continually impressing me, sir.
@@TheCrafsMan I found Blender hard to learn because I have been using Rhino NURBS modeling forever. I couldn’t get the workflow and muscle memory out of my head. Polygons are so different than NURBS surfaces! But I am blown away by all the things that Blender can do and I’m getting better at it every day. Now that I have the basics of the Blender-to-3D printing process in hand it will open up a huge new world of possibilities.
Really well done video. Not super into 3D printing, but I loved the quality of your blender designs. Audio & Video are crisp which is great.
Keep it up!
I will try Alex, thanks!
Been waiting for something like this....I think I'll give it a shot now!
He *did come out pretty cute! ☺ Nice little resin figure guy! This looks like so much fun!
Geesh....your approach always makes so much sense. I've been printing and molding for a while but tilt the mold so air escapes. You tilted the cavity = brilliant!
Mold cavity position is super important!
@@RobertTolone Different printers/resins might give different results, I have a better fit when the registration keys are downsized by .1mm diameter. Your videos have helped me a lot. Thanks for that. For anyone watching (Robert already knows I'm sure), it's easier to make a silicone mold from the prints than to cast in a resin print. Usually, Tin cure works well. I haven't had any luck using platinum cure silicones.
You are fantastic thank you, truly inspiring
idk how you appeared on my newsfeed but this was interesting! You would be an awesome uncle to have!
I was thinking about this recently and this video came at the perfect time lol
Thank you for making this
Such a great and kind man!! Thank you for your video!!!! =)
It was nice to see a bit of you working in blender. I spend a lot of time in it myself for both my casting project and my animations. I never knew there was a 'bool tool' addon. I always just used the boolean modifier in the same spot you find the subdivision surface modifier.
My Blender knowledge is pretty limited. I use it almost entirely for toy prototype models.
Draft release angles make a huge difference, I made production parts using a form 3 printer and resin casting with mine, apply similar principles for this as you do for injection mould designs.
great video, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Found a cool new channel with a nice chill dude!
Omg, I've been meaning to try this. I wanted to make something and then make a mold of it, I just haven't gotten round to trying it yet.
This is one of those reasons to get a resin printer, unfortunately I've only got an FDM printer. I'm so glad someone else tried this. :O
Welcome to the world PullBot!
Luv your show!
I just finished my own 3D printed resin casting mold test as well only 1 hour ago! The 3D model of the mold I made does not close as a flat surface but more of a sinusoidal shape. My first attempt was very unsatisfactory because the two halves did not fit together well. I tested out the resin I was using using a validation test and set the exposure time accordingly. The two halves then fitted perfectly. I tested it out with sanitary silicone, no injecting, just some dishwasher to prevent the silicone from sticking and then pressed the two halves together. Worked incredibly well. When casting silicone you don't have to worry about the shape locking the mold when it hardens. I also recommend using a clear resin for the molds because you can check to see if the casting material filled it up properly. Thank you for your videos, Mr. Tolone. They helped me out a lot.
Great tips, thanks!
One heck of a creator and craftsman
You can include tiny air channels into the mold that can then be used with compressed air to just blow the parts out. Just remember to plug up the holes with some beeswax before casting.
That or chill the project, mold and all, for about 5 to 10 minutes in the ice box. The material difference between your mold and print medium should cause them to thermally expand at different rates. Easy pop out then.
@@jacksonfondren1656 or into hot water after is is hardened inside - should work too
Great vid Robert, thanks for uploading!
Thanks Charles!
Awesome video! You're a cool cat, Robert
Smooth on has some stuff that fills the lines on 3 -D printed molds . Thanks for this video enjoyed very much .
The end is perfect
Oh wow! I've always wanted to try home casting for my ball jointed dolls that I also print out on my 3D printer, this might be a game changer for me!
I didn't think of the possibility to print molds. Nice to see how you did it.
It was a first go so hopefully I’ll get better at it!
I like watching guys like this under 100k followers they seem much more sincere
🔥 we use air gun to get castings from hard molds in my Uni!. Great video!
you can even injection mold with 3d printed resin tooling, its a little tricky but when you have the process down its a great way to rapidly test out tooling geometry before machining final tooling in aluminum or steel
I imagine it would be possible to make the seam line in almost any shape, it might make it even easier to fit them together, for the final part to be removed and it would also look cool
That's not a toy...it's a work of art. Unique and custom from start to finish. You need to start a "Creations Gallery." Thanks for the cool and inspiring piece RT!
Thanks! I appreciate it.
''the'' most important fact! ''draft angles''!! I hope any1 new/just starting on molds, see's this video!! it's educational!! they teach this in drafting school.. this can be learned in a couple of hours!!
congratulations!! don't forget 2 coat U'r mold, or wax!!
this will be pretty neat done in tpu, many thanks for the video, I'll try my hand at making a mold too.
Yes, Flexible molds are the logical next step and should be a lot of fun.
Instantly subscribed, you are awesome!
Thanks!
Minions would love the Blender droid character ☑️🤭😅
It so cute and adorable 👌🏻
Nice work !
Every day Robert Tolone posts a video is a good day!
Great video. Thanks!
9:28 on the Time-Line: Quote of the Video: "...oh good... I glued that on there good... well, isn't that 'special'..." LOL!!!! Thanks for the leaving these bits in LOL!!!!
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Hey Robert I make 3D printed injection molds for fishing lures over on my channel and found the best way to align and hold them is to use nuts and bolts, I have a few videos on my channel outlining how I do it. Great videos as always, I have learned so much from your videos!
Yup I could see myself just drilling holes in the modelling
Where can I get 3D mold files
OHHHH! THATS SMART!!!
@@AdamMclardy No need to drill, just add them to your mold halves before printing. I have a motto, drilling = failure when it comes to 3D printing. 😄
If you use a rubbery resin like SuperFlex you can print a rubber mold
which will make release of models much easier and even allow for minor undercuts
Im super interested in trying this since getting molds to do what I want are adding up, 6$ here 9$ there 4$ over there, it adds up fast and Ive yet to find something Im happy with at a price I can live with, so printing something even if its single use sounds really REALLY handy, thank you for covering this subject
Sweet! The ability to make a real fast mold with ver partial infill (making it really fragile) with which a completely solid infill resin of a different and tougher plastic is a real accomplishment. I can see using this to make really intricate really tough and hard plastic gears. I would still use pins and make them the right size. This was a real success.
It's quicker to make a silicone mould.
Yet another fun video with a funny cool result.
Thanks Brian!
at my previous job we 3d printed mold for injection molding, and we managed to make very complex plastic parts runs of about 25 units per mold, which was really neat. It really accelerated the prototyping process for us
hello, how many times could you use 3d printed molds with injection molding? thanks :)
@@mertturan2986 about 25units per mold, depends on the plastic you're injecting though. Some require higher pressure, or tougher to release from the mold. There's a lot to factor in, it's a lot of trial and error
print your pins separate from the molds with both mold having negative for the pins, nice video!!
I'd like to see a few more of these 3d printing mold vids
No idea how CZcams suggested this to me, but man this is awesome! I tried this with some siraya high temp stuff trying to cast pewter. Didn't quite work, but this makes me consider the wax for release.
I know I'm way past late to the party, but some suggestions.
1. To make your molds split easier, and a tiny chamfer on one of the sides.
2. You can use air to get things out of molds. If you are particularly clever you can even add ports to force air in.
Hope this helps!
I want to experiment using 3D parts as a mold and the outside surface of the part at the same time, printing FDM in vase mode like and filling it with resin in order to get a strong part. Thanks for sharing your experiment, I really appreciate watching it.
Some mad lad in the blacksmithing community is 3d printing shaped "cookie cutters" and filling them with different powdered steels to make canister mosaic damascus! He's got pictures in the Blacksmith subreddit if you are interested. He did maple leafs.
Finally! Good video, good topic! Casting CAD models, either from a 3D printed positive, or directly from a 3D printed mold, is probably the future. And it's going to be key for small-scale high-quality product cases, which are currently dominated by ugly and inferior FDM-printed ones.
I love the Asaro head as focus dummy at the end!
I was his student when he designed that head. I bought it from him. It was a pre-production test casting and the ears didn’t cast correctly so it is flawed. John didn’t want to sell it to me but I insisted. It’s been in my studio ever since.
@@RobertTolone No way! That's so cool!