V12 Solenoid Engine
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Home made running V12 solenoid engine, made from recycled metal and wood. See inside of a running engine! More info in description below.
More solenoid engines on my channel: / @davidrobert2007
Engine description
Technical details:
Type: 60 degree V12 electric piston engine
Maximum RPM: 3,200 RPM
Input voltage: 24 volts dc
Speed controller: Mechanical PWM
Cylinder bore diameter: 8mm
Piston stroke length: 10mm
Total theoretical displacement: 6cc
Firing order: 1, 12, 5, 8, 3, 10, 6, 7, 2, 11, 4, 9 (Same as old type Ferrari)
Main bearing size: 4x9x4 mm (684zz)
Big end bearing size: 4x9x4 mm (684zz)
Flywheel mass: 900g
Switching transistors: 2N3055
Solenoid model: SOLEN 121E16530 (with built in flyback diode)
Total mass of engine: 6kg approximately
Exhaust emissions: zero
More information:
A solenoid engine uses the magnetic pull of solenoids to turn a crankshaft, and resembles the architecture of an internal combustion engine. The crankshaft on this engine is made up of one hundred and forty individual parts bolted together, and is fully counterweighted to balance the rotational mass. The flywheel is an old drill / lathe chuck of some sort (army surplus), the engine has a tachometer pulse generator on the rear of the timing / distributor shaft to run the red LED tachometer, it uses Meccano timing chain and sprockets, and has a key ignition switch for added style. This engine can run both as a four stroke or as a two stroke, and can switch while running. This engine does not develop much torque, certainly much less torque than a standard rotary electric motor can produce, for the equivalent power input - for this reason the solenoid engine is just a novelty and an educational model.
I built this engine for fun, from mainly scrap metal and wood, and using mostly hand tools, and a basic drill press, during autumn 2014. It is based on a single cylinder prototype I had previously made here: • FAST Solenoid Engine W...
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You can watch stages of the V12 engine build here: • V12 Solenoid Engine | ...
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Check out some of the other engines I have built if you like -
My first solenoid engine #1: • Single Solenoid Engine #1
Single solenoid engine #2: • Single Solenoid Engine #2
Fast single solenoid engine #3: • FAST Solenoid Engine W...
Steam engine style solenoid engine: • Electric Steam Engine ...
V8 solenoid engine: • V8 Solenoid Engine
V12 solenoid engine updated - 35 volts 3,200rpm: • V12 Solenoid Engine Ov...
Thanks for watching.
This thing is by far one of the simplest, yet most impressive engines I have ever seen
peendaccarry have you heard of an electric motor
Rajkumar Bharathi tell me, is a motor an engine. aka turning lateral movement Into rotational. I think not.
Johan Fasth vbbbbhhkkkbjo
So you've never seen a basic electric motor in your life?
Dude Lmao ur so ignorant
What amazes me is how much it sounds like a combustion engine. Goes to show you that a lot of the noise is actually the drive-train and not the combustion/exhaust itself. Kudos for your amazing project.
I thought that exact same thing. Thanks for your comment.
Digging the "throttling" mechanism on this. Really great idea to have the duty and timing integrated on a simple shaft like that!
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how does the throttle work
***** thanks
Christopher O'Brien BMW valvetronic VVL?
Christopher O'Brien k
The use of a copper cylinder with wedge shaped conductive strips. to alter "cam" duration is simply genius. Well done.
Thanks - it took me a while to think of it.
Have you considered using a microcontroller instead?
I have but I didn't find a way to have an effective speed control, although I think I have a method worked out to try in future.
davidrobert2007 maybe you could look at how brushless motor ESCs do it. They are essentially also microcontrollers controlling solenoids that push and pull on magnets at precise timings, even if they are mechanically constructed differently.
Most brushless motors utilize three coils. The ESC does an initial push on one coil and a pull on another, then uses the third unused coil to detect an induced EMF. It uses this detected EMF to time the next pulse. On the next pulse, the formerly unused coil is now used to pull and the formerly pulling coil now pushes. The formerly pushing coil is now the sense coil. This process repeats over and over again. The microcontroller can choose to trigger the pulses a little early or a little late to control the frequency/motor speed.
Timur Iskhodzhanov I have made one with a microcontroller. If you are intrested, see my video.
The throttle system is really cool!
Thanks.
You're welcome
+Federico Lucchi (Skycrater) Mechanical PWM just brilliant! :)
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I️ thought that was RPM
Thats so cool! I like how fiddling can slightly increase the RPM, that would keep me occupied to no end! Also cool rolling shutter effects.
Hey thanks - the fiddling kept me occupied so much I came up with a solution (stronger spring :) - yes the rolling shutter thing is cool, at 1,800 rpm the crankshaft is turning at 30 revs per second, which of course matches the cameras frame rate (I'm sure you know this anyway:) Thanks for commenting, and for making the awesome videos you do. Happy Christmas.
+TheBackyardScientist It is called Nyquist's Thereom.
++TheBackyardScientist - LOL, you need a Fidget Spinner!
So, a solenoid is a eletromagnet that pulls the metal rod, with a alternate current, to make movement. But if ou have something like a v16(solenoids) with somekind of intercalated system where 6 push, 6 pull (repell) the rods (these repelled ones could be eletromagnets too, to streghten the repulsion) makin it get high torque and high speed and reliability in control. if one hobbist wanted make it own v16 eletric replica or RC it maybe could. I dont do it because i learned all of this online and dont have the skills to try, but love it tho. Graphen, activated carbon, aliminium air or magnesium diy batteries are cool too, where are all the all diy eletric car topics on the internet?
+cvabds - Hmmmmmm funny.... You wanted to " learn ", but have " no skills "! So what is the point of " suggesting " all the " shits " in your post? Here is the funny part.... Learn how to " write " a complete " paragraph " first. By reading your comment above, I can tell you..., you got a fucked up mind. No wonder you don't have skills!!! LMFAO !!!
Love it when the camera shutter syncs with the rod ends, making them seem stationary.
It happens at 1,800 rpm = 30 revs per second
Not everything is meant to solve a problem. Some things are just fun to make and play with. This is a really good build, the amount of detail in the piece is simply fantastic. I could watch it run all day long.
I had an idea like this almost 15 years ago, but I couldn't sit down long enough to work out the details. good job. Glad to know I wasn't the only one and to see that it could work. now if only I can get off my lazy butt and build one I think it would be fun. congrats.
For something that has absolutely no real-world use, it's the coolest damn thing I ever saw! It may not solve the worlds' energy crisis (hell, enough of these could deplete the world's energy!) but it the tech and engineering behind it. Just knowing how to create and build something like this deserves at least bragging rights, a high-5 and a case of beer! Awesome job!!!
as for you to y do you think it's useless?
Well answered
in name of YHVH
Not useless - just no "real-world" use. In other words, it is something cool and fun to watch. It was probably great fun to build. Something cool to put in the man-cave. But, not going to solve any problems or make the designer any money.
"but it the tech and engineering behind it"
Solenoid engines are not that hard to build... Anyone who knows how to do a electromagnet and a little of engines timing (its very simple and intuitive believe me) can do it...
now replace the rotating bar copper with optic transistor and led and you will never have to clean it and it will operate very accurate.
Or just use a microcontroller for control, mosfets for switching and an optical encoder for rotation angle sensing.
Mindaugas Vaskevicius Or use another engine
Thats way over complicated. you could use a rotary encoder on the output shaft and get the exact angle the crank is it, with that you can just use a microcontroller or even discrete logic if you wanted to drive it at certain throttle positions.
I would have just added a light brush over the top to clean it as it spins almost like a pipe cleaner
Electric timing would be better. Just need to be aware of the crank position.
Seeing people build things like this and run them just makes me grin. Well done!
How could 14 people not like this very cool V12 electric engine? Awesome construction, excellent video. Bravo!
+Quantum Leap They are the "why not use an ordinary electric motor" and "no practical use" brigade.
Don't seem prohibitively complicated! Thank you for sharing, that's truly an inspiration.
Mesmerizing. Can't stop watching.
that's great!
I'm actually in love with 2-stroke motorcycles, while I was there, I saw an Aprilia in the window that fascinated me
I love how he's "pushing the limits" of the contact points. "I'm giviner all she's got!"
Very interesting. As a kid int the fifties,I received,as a Christmas present a single "cylinder solenoid motor that held me fascinated for hours. It used an arrangment quite different than yours. It used a solenoid similar to a standard relay with a connecting rod at the far end of the armature that connected by a small rod to the crank shaft.It used a tiny cam on the end of the crankshaft that operated a contact that fired the solenoid.For power it used 4 "d" cells in series
Your videos brought back old memories.Thanks for sharing them
The question isn't why you should build a solenoid engine, the question is; Why not?
That's amazing. I especially like the way you controlled speed/timing.
Thanks, I designed it myself.
Much less efficient than a simple inductive motor. However, this is wonderfully pleasing! You redefined the term "steam punk" for the modern era! Electro punk anyone?
This is totaly cool and this concept with hours of work can be used in regular carsto replace standard engine. The most tricky part of this engine is "collector brushes" but that can be replaced with some things.
If friction is a problem, use inductive switching
That is what should have been done in the first place, more efficient!
you can use optical sensors instead
I am really impressed! When I was a kid, I made a one solenoid motor, and it would get pretty hot after running for a while.
The first engine I built was like that, I would wrap the coil in a damp rag and watch the steam come off it lol. This engine here will run indefinitely without heating up much at all. Thanks for your comment.
Awesome. I saw your engine consuming 43.2W @ 2,700 rpm. Did you have a chance to measure the power output at the axle?
That is a very ingenius solenoid engine. Thanks for letting us see it in action.
You're very welcome and thanks for commenting.
If that's how 2700 rpms look like, I wish I could see how 19,000 rpms look...like a F1 engine
Adam S um, really? An f1 engine does 19k rpm? There's no fucking way.
@@andrewmcallister4151 well yep, but that was like back during V12, V10 era. Now it"s around 12K in V6 Hybrid era
for 2018 rpm limit is 15,000
Theres no way that's 2700 rpm. Maybe a 0 was forgotten at the end. You can see a the movement in a car doing 2700. This was probably doing 27000
@@theseus4737 i think it looks alot faster than it is because the stroke is so short
Certainly more interesting and pleasing than any traditional electric motor.
Measure the torque curve and calculate efficiencies! Would be awesome to see!
Thats really smart,so the camshaft has a triangle metal contact pattern for each solenoid, more electrical contact = more speed
instead of a rotor why not try to use an arduino or some sort of processor for timing and go digital?
I guess he's whole point is to make it more mechanical... it's more like a mechanical engine then like an electric one. If he wanted to go the easy way he would've done a traditional electric motor lol...
Besides, there's something to be said for keeping things simple.
I did it with a microcontroller and two hall sensors. See my video
So it's 2:30 in the morning and I have no idea how I got here, but that is seriously cool!
Thankyou
can it give power to my empty life? *sobbing*
dimaz yunuz seek help.
Did you find life yet?
live and let live he found a Lamborghini
What a thin of beauty! Poetry in motion! Truly is amazing.
Thanks.
this is what we should have in hybrid cars.
Why?
Edward Yeboah 2 reasons. 1 because the federal government has now required all hybrid vehicles to have some kind of engine sound when driving for the safety of pedestrians. reason 2 making engines like this for cars would create new engineering and manufacturing jobs and even more in the Auto industry as the hybrid craze catches on.
Speakers are a much more effective solution to this problem. This motor is too inefficient to be of use in a vehicle. Why would this motor be more likely to create jobs than any one of the other more efficient motors for the same purpose?
Top quality engineering at its best.Nice to see such good craftsmanship.Thank you for showing.
Thank you for your kind comment.
классная демонстрация, что электро двигатель можно построить из обычных саленоидов.
СОЛЕНОИДОВ, МУДАКИ!
This is a great example of why engines take so long to spool up. Even a tiny little engine like this one takes roughly 4 second to fully spool up on full throttle. Even this small amount of weight is a lot to move that fast.
How much torque can you get? How does it respond to a load?
Normal Human it will just stall, lol.
Considering the voltage and the intensity of the current, only around 50 watts is drawn by the engine at 2000 RPM
that's about 1/20 horsepower; now take into account the joule effect and all the friction going on and you have maybe less than 35 watts usable.
This engine has no practical use in the real world, hell even on a small bicycle it would stall. It's just a big cool toy.
Normal Human casually puts in frictionless solenoids then gear ratios the hell out of it with a good flywheel
I was hoping that it developed some torque, but I can see that it was constructed as an amusing toy and not intended to be used to drive a load. Thanks all for clarifying this.
good my friend, boy I didn't think about that but I think you're right, there are only 2 solenoid motors in the V12 world, congratulations to us, sometimes I show mine people don't believe I did it, but next year I'll be fine with the pulse and steady for more challenges, God bless you my friend
As absolutely pointless as this thing is, it's really fun to watch the complex machinery spin up to 1600 RPM.
y do you think its useless
+E-LUX™ E-LUX what does it do apart from please the eyes? tell me.
Your perception on useless device is amazing. .. climb out your lil box ..it useless to you cause you HAVE NO USE FOR IT all it means that your NOT CREATIVE ENOUGH. TRY AGAIN
E-LUX™ E-LUX look, mate, ive built multiple engine models. they are fun to build and take to events but thereis no other use, so get out of YOUR lil box.
+moistened eel
Agreed.
thats a really smart way to add a throttle feature!
I would bet anything, with a microcontroler and a crank trigger we could get that thing another 1 - 2k RPM more.
Incrível, é o primeiro passo para uma nova era de veículos elétricos
Сможет ли он крутить генератор чтобы обеспечивать себя электричеством?
Конечно нет! Сможет ли он вообще что нибудь, кроме как шуметь и крутиться?)
Да сможет почему бы нет?
Это был бы вечный двигатель))
это макет который похож по внешнему виду на 12 цилиндровый двигатель. Имитирующий сам процесс вращения коленвала. ВСЁ ! Крутить то он сможет какой то не мощный генератор, только законы физики никто не отменял, почитайте "закон сохранения энергии"
Надо узнать следующие параметры :
1. Мощность этой установки .
2. Количество оборотов в минуту .
3. Сила вращения на валу в килограммах .
И тогда можно будет подобрать генератор на неодимовых магнитах .
This idea never crossed in my mind.
Absolutely good idea...
Genius
Make a boxer style solenoid engine.
This really illustrates how Jaguars V12 is supposed to be the smoothest ride from 0 to 100mph. It was actually designed around two single six engines. You should build one of those next. They also have perfect balance requiring no counterweight. Chrysler's slant 6 is just such an engine that was/is is a whole boatload of vehicles including boats. That would be cool to build... a inline/slant six and make it a boat. Or make a simple solenoid motor paddleboat.
Шумит как мой жигуль
Может автоваз что то не договаривает?
Они тебе дали секретную модель)
@@hackerman5984 продал жигу - купил сааб 9-5,ниочем не жалею
@@avdanus О,ты мне ответил даже если твоему комментарию 2 года? Редкость, очень редко мне отвечали люди,у которых комменту хотя бы 1 год.
Sometimes the most pointless things are the most awesome. Love it, great work :)
Thanks for your comment!
More of a motor by definition, than an engine.
quantumbits Interchangeable terms
Broadly yes but being technical engines work using heat
According to the Oxford English Dictionary it's an engine.
Many others would call it a motor: www.thefreedictionary.com/engine
"When a machine operates by electricity, you refer to the part of the machine that converts power into movement as the motor."
@boredKiwi So by that definition a solenoid is also a motor.
Never heard about a solenoid engine, impressed
What about some load? Will be interesting to see.
I have a video of it running a generator on my channel if that helps.
That enigne + bigger + new breed of vehicle = WIN
just for kicks, hook this up to some sort of alternator and see what kind of power your generating
I made a generator for it, it didn't push much power but it was enough to run low power devices. There is a video of this on my channel if you want to check it out.
BEAUTIFUL PIECE
Any idea or guesstimation on how much torque / HP that your motor produces?
Like most solenoid engines it produces no usable torque, and so is just a novelty item.
davidrobert2007 don't they use solenoids to open magnetic doors?
I believe so.
davidrobert2007 so useable torque?
Yes usable torque -when I am referring to the engine having "no usable torque" I really should say "little usable torque", when compared to a dc brushed motor, which will produce far more torque for the same power input.
superb engineering to say the least couldn't even see any blueing around i could just sit here with my little toy of a static steam engine put put put
It's too big to fit in my Ford Explorer. :D
samanli2014 *Ford Exploder
samanli2014 my advice is: change a car
Aaah, the good ol' cars of the 50s, i bet it would fit in a '58 Fury or a '57 Bel Air with no problem, i wonder why they don't make cars this big anymore
This is amazing, would really like to build a few things like that myself
*А не проще использовать простой электродвигатель? Сделать электродвигатель по конструкции ДВС - извращение 😁*
в мире полно больных извращенцев, но лично я уважаю всякого рода механические изъё*ства
Я точно так же подумал, КПД намного ниже чем у обычного электромотора. Зачем все эти лишние возвратно - поступательные массы????))))))) Это просто обычная игрушка и никакой практической пользы.
It would be pretty cool to see comparisons of electric power consumed versus mechancial power created with this setup.
Tá batendo muito! Tem que fazer retifica! 😅😅😅
The comments are terrible! Very nice design. I love the simplicity! Very well executed.
Needs some oil, as it makes too much noise. The sound sounds like a sewing machine.
I like the camshaft/ throttle. Great idea
Очень конечно интересно но где можно использовать это совсем не надёжное говно
Как игрушку дома.
@@user-yq7ff2hr4q это макет,при желании и рентабельности,можно настоящий двиг сделать
@@weter352 какой смысл от этого двигателя?
@@user-yq7ff2hr4q ну если кпд больше 30]% то вполне конкурент двс:)
@@ars08091974 а не проще сразу поставить Эл. двигатель? И КПД раза в три побольше, и шума меньше, про масса-габариты вообще нет смысла говорить.
That's crazy smooth at high speed :o
V12 has perfect primary and secondary balance by design.
This is not some new breakthrough miracle engine or power source. It's a Rube Goldberg goof. The pickups on the blue bar control solenoid timing and duration based on the varying amounts of copper exposed ( the triangles), and this is wicked cool. The solenoids are all working in concert to spin the crankshaft. The chain driven shaft is spun off the crank to time the solenoids. Net result, this entire contraption spins a shaft. That's it. Nicola Tesla had that pretty much figured out a hundred years ago. The whole shebang could be replaced by an electric motor with a variable speed controller. That said, it's still electro-mechanical analog porn, and I want one on my coffee table.
It does not "develop" ANY surplus power. It Consumes more power than is required to spin itself, so some of the excess power it consumes could be used to spin a fan or eggbeaters. It just looks complicated enough to fool those lacking any recollection of high school physics to assume it is doing something more.
Its a electric motor is what your saying.
+Brian Corrigan Sounds more like a real engine than an electric motor.
+_ Nick _ basically what hes saying is that he wants to seem smart by going into a long comment on how this doesn't net you any extra energy. Nobody said that it nets extra energy so it seems he just wants an argument... Kinda trolling if you ask me.
+Brian Corrigan Also powering a traditional electric induction motor does not produce extra energy either, it is just another form of electric motor and thats it. What I would like to know is that comparing reciprocating and induction electric motor, what are the pros and cons.
Wow. I can watch this all day 👍
Прикольная игрушка, но перспективы никакой.
dead right
I don't understand why some people don't like this, but I freaking love it. Thumbs up and subbed. I might give it a shot myself, see if I can make something that works :)
Go for it - they are fun to build. Thanks for thumbs up and subscribing, and thanks for your comment.
The analog timing control is awesome!!!, keeps it all mechanical........but oh man digit!
It's analog, but it becomes more digital when I use my finger to put more pressure on the contacts.
I really like the way you made the electrical equivalent of a cam shaft without the drawback of creating more reciprocating mass like a conventional cam shaft. Makes me wonder if spring loaded carbon brushes would improve performance.
Also the dual purpose of said cam shaft is impressive, increasing contact time per revolution to increase RPM, simple and effective.
I'm impressed sir, cudos!
Hi, you see the benefit of this arrangement, that there is much less resistance than a cam setup, and I believe carbon brushes would improve performance definitely. Thanks for commenting.
Fine mechanical art Dave!
Well that one the most impressive builds seen yet for one these lol
Can't imagine how fast parts move in a car considering how much bigger that are as well! Crazy how some people rev mid range(3k+) when daily driving.
very interesting concept. pretty impractical for a full scale car application, but definitely an inventive way of using solenoids.
+NismOzzy Imagine a contrivance like this around 5 metres high, powered by electrodes running in sea water, stuffed in the back of Captain Nemo's Nautilus.
We're actually talking original Steampunk here. Maybe somewhere in some other universe they did it this way. Look at all the klutzy ways we built steam engines first.
Georg Gearless...! You sir, are a very talented engineer and craftsman..
Кто бы ты не был, ты капитальный красавчик. так держать. Good Work
Haven't read all the comments but why is the timing shaft run at half speed? There is no need because the solenoid a can be pulsed every down stroke, not every second one like in a four cycle engine. And if you do pulse the solenoids every revolution then the crank throws should be at 60 degree intervals (couldn't tell from the movie) and the banks should be 30 degrees apart, not 45 degrees as you have them. Great machine, I love it!
The timing shaft runs at half crank speed so that the firing pattern can exactly replicate a four stroke ic engine. The crank throws are at 120 degree intervals, which coupled with the 60 degree vee angle allows the engine to fire every 60 degrees of crank rotation. The architecture of this model is no different to a conventional v12 ic engine. Thanks for commenting!
Oh God I've stepped into *THAT* part of CZcams again. Was nice knowing the outside world...
nice touch the acorn nuts on the to3 transistors
this sounds awesome on "idle"!
The future of electric cars.
Would be interesting to hook this up to an arduino + rotary encoder and see if RPM could be improved by adjusting timings (even it seems to be already very efficient and it's cool see see fully mechanical stuff)
Inside pretty much any printer (even cheap ones) there's a long, very fine brush. You can install that on the contact cylinder so you don't have to brush it every once in a while.
So a search for a broken one or if you live in the US you can search craig for someone dumping theirs etc. Lot's of other goodies inside one too. Gears, shafts etc. I'm sure you know.
It took me several minutes to understand how were the solenois controlled :p .
I would have done it with a PIC microcontroller, or an arduino, but wow, your system is so incredible.
+xgenesys Controlling mechanically a duty cycle omfg :'D
That's crazy!! Sick stuff my man
Wow cant wait to go to school for this
Really very nice engine, well done and fun to watch!
Excellent job :)
i have not seen any video like. its amazing
Cool that's a good idea and reduces pollution
This is nothing compared to the really awesome ashtray I made in pottery class today.
I hope that this is your invention, because it is brilliant!
Hi.
I love this engine. Nice throttle system.
You can make it 2x more powerful. Firing pattern is 4-storke. Isn't it? If you change the firing pattern to 2-storke pattern, it will produce 2x more power. And also it uses 2x more current.
I will be happy for you to post a video of this.
I wanna make an inline 4-solenoid engine soon, but I don't have some tools.
2.7 kiloherts is pretty fast, its amazing watching it strobe the camera, would run a computer at that speed.
very helpful technology the scientists have to do work on this project to improve environment from smok and smoge great invention keep it up
You will not need the q-tip if you go optical on the throttle mech. Cool Engine!
I salute you. That's resourceful and looks like great fun.
Thanks! And it is great fun, especially when you start to increase the input voltage ;)