Blackmagic Pocket 6K Pro Owner Tries Canon C70
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The C70 has its quirks for sure, but having used it for the past two years I genuinely think it's one of the best cameras I've ever used. I've had and used the C100, C200, Original BM pocket, Pocket 4K, Pocket 6K and the C70 just works for me. I admit I'm used to the Canon menu's though so that has never bothered me. The thing I like the most about it is being able to expose bang down the middle, no need for the ETTR dance or trying to hit certain ISO's for fear of losing dynamic range. Expose for what you want. Of course I try and stick to the native ISO, but actually the image doesn't really change much until you get too high (not a low light camera), so it makes it all such a nice experience to shoot with. The Pocket 6K is still amazing value though if you can mitigate the IR pollution, that stung me a couple of times, but for the price it's great.
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I've actually been using these cameras together a lot over the last year. The better battery life, autofocus, smaller files etc are great however I must admit the BRAW image that comes out of the Pocket 6K Pro is just something really special that I don't think the C70 quite matches.
Some quirks of the C70 like the autofocus not working in slow motion (all that's been fixed) and the drop in dynamic range above 60p has been annoying.
How much storage you go through shooting in Braw?
the reason why it has good dynamic range is bc it uses the same technique arri cameras use. Canon's Dual Gain Output sensor, I believe it turns off anything above 60fps, that's why you see the DR drop
I feel like most people who are buying these cameras aren't CZcamsrs so they have rigs. you need a cage anyways so a v mount battery is gonna be involved most likely. timecode syncs, mics, handles, mounting plates, video transmitters, external displays. by the time you add these things you can ignore how the camera "feels" in the hand and battery life. as someone who uses the BMPCC 6k a lot and edits in resolve its just a better camera unless you're a diehard canon fan or a CZcamsr who doesn't use cameras as much for filmmaking but takes into account fun quick shoots and CZcams videos
This is the truth
Why is the BMPCC 6k a better camera? Thatâs a pretty blanket statement. Iâve used both and went with the C70 for all of my filmmaking (commercial work). The C70 is incredible quality and more run n fun friendly.
Hands down most underrated camera of all time đ„đ„đ„
Thanks bro. Great energy and passion shown towards this camera. I can clearly see that 16 stops is more yummy and auto focus........well that's a dream for 6K Pro owners. But it is twice the price. So.......I look forward to BM next offering as RAW is still my first love over those things. And, as you know, using BM 6K Pro always reminds you that this is a film only camera. I have been really really enjoying the Lidar sensor from DJI on my BM. To use a film set up with cinema lenses and have my own focus puller??? Oh that has been delightful. I still trust my 6K Pro with a lot and I am waiting like a cat poised for prey for the next BM offering. Still nice to see what strengths others are bringing though so thanks for he vid!
I hate that canon c70 does this out of the box, but if you increase the monitor "Luminance" its actually effects the monitor backlight. +2 works amazingly well in daylight.
Focus peaking isn't great on Canon in general. It used to be good! (from someone who uses their C70 a lot) Sony's is more what blackmagic does. But Canon is closer to the older school focus peaking where it sharpens edges and while you can pop the red filter on, it's not as a edgy let's say nearly as good.
Not sure if you found the expanded ND mode - since it's also off by default. Gets you up to 10 stops with stacked NDs.
Intersting that Canon is sending out cameras more for review now. Took them long enough.
Had a Z Cam, 2 BMPCC 6K, and a Canon R3. Picked up the C70 two months ago. I no longer own the Z Cam or BMPCC and will be purchasing another C70 in the next two months.
Will be interesting to see what both Canon and BM do with their successors to each of these models given how these two seemed to become the most compared cameras on CZcams the last year.
LOVE MY CANON C70...
Interesting. Never considered the C70 - I have been shooting on a P4K for the past 2.5 years and still love it. Next step is a 6K Pro, then URSA 12k I think. I think all of these modern cameras do a great job with image and usability so I can't be bothered losing BRAW.
The 12K is one of the most under appreciated cameras I think. I loved using that camera. 12K is a fun party trick but the real value is in 8K 120 or 4K 240 in full 12 bit BRAW?! *chefs kiss*
@@initialfocus Absolutely. I'd probably never use 12k, for me it's about the image, almost total lack of rolling shutter at 4k/8k, higher frame rates, great colours and versatile format.
Love video breakdowns like this, but I think the big difference between these two cameras is how they were designed. The Blackmagic cameras are full Cinema cameras with mild "hybrid/dslr" styling to make the jump easier for some users. But you will still need to address battery, stability, focus, just like any other Cinema camera. The C70 is Canon's is Hybrid/DSLR Cinema camera. They are designed with two completely different thought processes around them, and you have to approach them in that way. Both amazing cameras, can be used in similar use cases, but not for the same function. Great video though!
I disagree. The C70 is not a âhybridâ camera. Itâs just Canonâs miniature EOS cinema camera. Iâve shot on C200s, C300 mkiii, C500 mkii, and the C70. The C70 is the little brother. When i think of hybrid cameras i think of the a7Siii.
@@JustinPhillip you know it's funny, rereading my comment I laughed a bit because the C70 is more of a cinema camera than a hybrid. I had to rewatch the video in hopes to understand what I was getting at, and I don't 100% know why I wrote that it's a DSLR/hybrid, but have a general understanding of my orginal take.
The C70 was the entry into the more Cinema line of Canon cameras and was the first test driver to what is now the R5C. Unlike the Blackmagic Cameras, the C70 is ready to go out of the box. The Blackmagic Cameras need to be rigged out a lot more. Making it more of a "all-in-one" or I guess why I deemed it as a hybrid.
But at the end of the day, I agree with you. A7Siii is more of a hybrid than the C70. I must have been tripping with this comment lol.
Iâve had my C79 for a few months now. Love it.
Blackmagic has next level menus. You can adjust the parking settings in the OSD display settings though.
Yeah agreed. My biggest complaint off Canon and Sony the last few years has always been menus. They're built for engineers and not camera operators. It's super annoying. Blackmagic gets camera ops. The menu from Blackmagic was designed by a camera op for sure. Meanwhile Canon and Sony both seem to be designed by engineers and a camera op feels it. Otherwise, I like certain aspects of shooting with the Canon and Sony cameras. The C70 is definitely nice. But yeah, that screen is also annoying. Hoping Blackmagic takes note and improves the Pocket line for the battery life, ports, and the ergonomics with future updates.
Nice to see your perspetive on the C70. I'm all in on Canon, but for the price it's hard to justify the C70 when video is only a part of what I do. So I've considered blackmagic, but the form factor and the lack of autofocus just had me on hold the past year, waiting for someting better.
One small note, the video looked great, but for some reason the text was pixelated. Something in your workflow got lost there.
Keep it up!
Only $5k for a camera that you actually want to use and love the image off of with wonderful ND's! :)
Red focus peaking setting is in the focus peaking settings ;)
đ yeah hopefully my intro came across the way I intended to. My biggest potential deal breaker isnât even screen size but the brightness was roughhhhh especially after being used to 1500 nits. C70 feels like 400 or something.
But that being said the image is a damn dream!
Ps: I thought I had the settings right in there haha Iâm sure I did something wrong.
@@initialfocus I mentioned above, but double check your luminance setting (if you still have the camera) +2 on the monitor luminance is much brighter in daylight and fixes this issue for me. It's significantly brighter with the backlight increased. I"m not sure the nits, but it's comparable to an iPhone so likely between 750-1000 nits at +2.
@@initialfocus The C70 is the only camera (for now) that truly has it all! But hopefully this will change soon with one of the FF Mirrorless cameras from brands like Panasonic of Sony including internal NDs, a dedicated cinema and photo menu system that is more organized, and a bigger and brighter screen!
Excellent video on the C70. I'm running with the Sony FX30 at the moment. And I really like it. But, I have been looking at other cameras that I would consider upgrading to. And the Canon C70 is one of them. Having had a Canon before, I do love how Canon nails the skin tones with their color science.
Recently, I've been watching some videos to see what cameras are available now that I might upgrade to. And the C70 is one that keeps impressing me, especially with the built in NDs, the raw LT codec, and the dynamic range. Chances are when it comes time to actually make a move towards an upgrade, I will likely rent a few choices first before deciding which one to go with. Of course, this video has added another point to the C70. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Wow - great review - dynamic range 4k 120 - Canon has it - I just ordered the smaller Canon for my grand daughter - $699 at Best Buy - it is all about the color science- Canon knows HOW
Had my C70 for just over 2 years - suddenly stopped working the other day, not knocked or dropped- sent to Canon who now want ÂŁ1,000 to repair - all they can tell me is itâs a problem with the master board but canât tell me whatâs caused the issue âŠ. possibly a power surge? ⊠was all I got out of them. Canât say Iâm impressed tbh!
As itâs literally just out of warranty I thought a bit of goodwill on their part wouldâve been helpful but I suppose you live & learn!
Rant over!
I have a Sony camera for nine years and itâs never failed me, not even once. Never a problem. And Sony looks every bit as good as Canon. But then I also use da Vinci resolve so I can make any footage look like anything I want it to.
I own the r5C and C70 and R3âŠ
The C70 is not full frame and need the speedbooster but that makes it EF Mount⊠but the image looks Nice in c-log 2 after some noisereduction.
The R5C is way more sharp and detailed, but it has no ND filters so you need the ND adaptor witch makes it EF Mount⊠and you need the battery grib because it has no battery. The R3 is full frame and is good in low light.. but it has the foto menu đ and no timecode for tentacle sync..
You just canât win..
Maybe one day Canon will actually make a camera the just works đ€Ł
Iâve been a snob about unnecessary slo mo but youâve got me thinking I need to bust out the 120fps on my c70 đ beautiful footage man. Anamorphic looking nice đ
Bahaha sometimes I am too! But when it comes to just taking a camera out with the family itâs much needed with crazy toddlers running around.
@@initialfocus yup. And AF
Left the 6k Pro for a c70 and I have zero regrets. Loved the video Michael.
I bought a r5c about a month ago thinking it would be the killer of my pocket 6k and Iâd not know why Iâm not convinced yet đ
Because the P6k has a nicer and more filmic image. The R5c does have lots of advantages over it but there are definitely trade offs.
I just love the image you got with it, maybe with those beautiful Irix Cine lenses? đ My compliments for your hones review, as always.
Looking into getting a cinema camera for myself, currently have a fuji xh2, have access to a bmpcc 6k (but its not mine)âŠâŠ. Saw the fx3 and fx30 so far they look small enough for my needsâŠâŠ BUT mebe I should stick with the fuji, and save wonga ÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁÂŁ it would only be used for youtube and insta
Great video Michael
Thank you!
Great shots of the fam dude. And yeah Iâm a Canon fanboy and have heard sick things about that one.
i wish there was black magic 6k pro with RF mount i love blackmagic but all my glass is rf
I donât think that c70 can shoot braw almost uncompressed 16-but raw ? Or am I mistaken
Hi thanks for video. Comparison with blackmagic playback on smooth or not? Is editing easier? Do you need a powerful computer or does it draw less resources compared to Blackmagic?
DGO and dynamic range is way less after 60fps, so 120 is a pretty big hit to dynamic range
If youre shooting 4K 120, you arenât getting the dynamic range. It shuts off the DGO aspect of the sensor in 120. Still great dynamic rangeâŠ. But nowhere near 16 stops.
Ngl we use a c70 at work and menus still confuse me
A $2000 camera compared to a what $6000 camera?
And thatâs the key to why this comparison is total BS
I agree!
Iâve switched from the pocket 4K to the C70 last year. Such an incredible, amazingly under rated camera.
Everyone laughs when I tell them itâs my A Cam. Until they see the footage this camera is able to capture.
In my opinion, itâs the best low budget documentary camera you can get right now.
Still using my pocket as a B cam tho, but man⊠Iâm in love.
They laugh when you tell them C70 is your A-cam, but they didn't laugh when your A-cam was BMPCC4k?
@@andrew_nayes they did đ
I own three. Clearly I think itâs a good cinema camera lol
ngl the opening scene with the footage from the cam made me not want to buy it lol
Did you turn the luminance up on the monitor of the C70?
By default its set to Normal (0). Which means you can barely see what's on the screen outside. But if you set it to +2 it makes a huge difference. I've used the C70 in bright sunlight with no problems.
But its not true, that the C70 display is too dim in sunlight. You can make i brighter +2 and it helps a lot. Just search for LCD Brightness ;)
BMP6K Pro is a purchase I regret making. But I donât know that I would go Canon. I would rather get an FX3
C70 the Best
ahah love this transition at 00:35 make me laugh (I'm 6kpro owner too).
As far as I've seen, this is my favorite camera to OWN. It's just got everything I need on shoots where I don't feel like renting out big rigs. I've used everything under the sun from BM to Canon, Sony, Red, and Arri. So far, I wouldn't want to own anything but the C70 due to built-in ND's and size with the amount of IO. It's got the ports I need, even if they are small like the mini-XLR when i don't want to run audio separately. But most of the time I run a 32-bit float recorder anyway so that's not an issue. It's got RAW in 4K DCI and tons of other flavors of UHD with great framerate options. The color in Resolve is fantastic and funny enough I asked another cinematographer which shot was my C70 and which was a Komodo, and they chose the C70 thinking it was the Red color science because I had graded it to match well enough. It's really an amazing package in one body that requires no rigging. In the 2 years of owning it I haven't used a cage on it and all I have are 1 BP-A30 and 1 BP-A60. Those last a full day together and really it's just the A60 that can last for most shoots you need. Battery life+no cage+ND's+great image=winner.
Not many people like it, just you and few more. It doesnât have a great cinematic image, and too expensive for what it offers.
Same feeling with my sigma fp :D
Dual Canon c70 owner here. I think there is a ton of cameras with stronger aspects whether it be autofocus, image quality, codecs, etc. However, the c70 is probably the best overall camera. It offers strong ergo for single shooters, autofocus, nd, canon colors, internal raw, incredible battery life, affordable media and probably the strongest DR out of the sub 8k market. I know I can literally shoot anything on this system, which for me is great. I don't have to worry about investing in multiple systems with their own media/battery/accessories.
Thatâs such a great way to put it. It may not be the highest spec in any category but overall itâs a ridiculously versatile camera. Thanks for watching! đđŒ
Turn up the backlight my guy. Works fine in the sun.
Personally think this is the best out of the box camera that is out right now. It had the LCD issue but they seemed to have fixed that, and I'd go for the wooden camera top handle. I wonder if the FX3 will get the ND filter in its next iteration. that would be very tempting but atm for me I have to live with what I have hopefully I get to the point where something like the Sony Canon or even a 6k Pro 2 comes along in my budget.
that footage was average at best, nothing to really write home about and the actual real DR of the camera is around 13 stops, so very far from Arri's cameras.
it is only 1 stop of a difference compare to Alexa classic, check CineD tests this camera is really great regarding image quality, he just didn't film a lot in speeds that have DGO active, everything over 60p has less DR in shadows since DGO does not work anymore.
@@TomislavMoze so DGO works only until 60fps...? (60 & below I mean...) I think the C70 is a good camera... but to be honest: images from canon cinema cameras: look always like a wedding! đ MAy be the shooters are not using its full potential, I don't know. never used Sony cameras, but the image coming from the FX6 is stunning! As a matter of fact thinking of getting one: shooting mostly nature footage (low light is important...) cheers!
Maybe itâs just me, but the image quality of this C70 looks like video! To my eyes the BM 6K Pro completely blows it out of the water with a more cinematic look and softer roll off!âŠ
thats cause c70 does not have Dual Gain Output in 4K 120, so if you want that nice roll off and DR of the DGO sensor you have to film up to 4K60, Most of the footage is in 4K 120 if not all so he basically didn't use the full potential of the sensor.
Blackmsgic just copy the C70 design, battery life etc and put a 4" screen with decent NITs and your OSD +its big enough).
If canon menu sucks for u, dunno what u have to say about sonyâs đ
They all suck đ Blackmagic, DJI, RED and from what I hear ARRI have it down!
It has RAW
I would have purchased the C70 on release if it was 3000 USD or lower. Definitely one of the best documentary cameras out there. But in my case it made more sense to get a Lumix S1 and a NiSi ND filter, and cost me just about 1500 for both. I gained an excellent IBIS system and Log profile, lost on high quality autofocus and 4K 120 FPS. But even with three native lenses and cage etc, the S1 was under 4000 USD. Would probably go for a used Lumix S5 next, rather than a C70. Blackmagic is too inconvenient (handling wise) for documentary work
Canon colors make everything look like a wedding... imo.
totally agree... I think their color science is overrated
Everytime I say "don't look at the papers before use a canon"
Dude the mini rant on the peaking is just lazyâŠreally lazy đ . At that price point the C70 is a really good camera cause it just works without being in your way. Love your stuff with the Blackmagic stuff.
You should definitely stick with canon if you canât operate the BM 6k pro properly. đ
Ehhh, some of the opening footage looks horribly digital. So I get why some ppl don't like em.
canon really just made an h.264 machine and charged $5k for it. Such an awfully priced camera.
I dunno man⊠Iâm really not trying to be rude, but that opening montage was pretty underwhelming.
guddddd
No way in h#ll itâs better
Never was, never will be.
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