Item ACTIVES and PASSIVES - League of Legends VS Dota 2
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2023
- Par 2 of 2 for item comparisons. This is probably my most anticipated vid, and by far the highest edited one.
Sooo, league players, was i right in how this would be a fun watch? - Hry
LoL items gives your spells more power but Dota items literally gives you more spells lmao.
Exactly!
@@TZAR_POTATO Pin Please XDD, Jk.
@@pluckyleon6640 I mean... I sort of said this in my last vid, mr copycat :P
@@TZAR_POTATO 😂
It should also be noted that the video undersold Black King Bar and Blink Dagger quite a bit. It's kind of a thing League doesn't really have: Items whose existence demand or allow the existence of other items and spells.
BKB isn't just a continuous cleanse, it is also a source of magical immunity, which denies half of these items on top of numerous abilities from targeting or damaging you at all. In fact, the existence of the stun-on-attack Abyssal Blade and targetted-Polymorph pretty much is only justified because hard as fuck defensive options like BKB exists too, because the game sometimes needs an hard-NOPE FUCK-YOU stun to that kind of effect. BKB is such a pressure to the game, that we've seen removing "piercing ALLIED magic immunity" be components of the balance - you also have to juggle being immune to your own team's saves. The biggest drop on that line of thought is a semi-hard exception on having both the physical immunity (ethereal effect from ghost scepter/ethereal blade) and magic immunity applied to you at the same time, since that would make you basically invulnerable for a bit.... But we just got a hero designed specifically around abusing it, Muerta (who ironically can be hard countered by similar interactions), so I don't think any preconceived notions of what's allowed or not end up meaning much.
On a similar line of thought to all of this, the reason why passive evasion on items is allowed there but went to retirement in League is also because there's 3 methods of ignoring evasion (Any Javelin Upgrade's passive accuracy, Bloodthorne+Revenant's Brooch active accuracy, and then a bunch of spread out number of guaranteed hits on items and abilities). Funnily enough, not one single of those accuracy effect is bought primarily for the accuracy aspect other than Monkey King Bar. So yeah, the summary of it is, evasion can be bought because accuracy exists all over the place, even if we only have one single de-facto counter.
Imo the core distinction between the two games:
League: a champion has a clear identity which is reinforced as the game progresses
Dota: a hero has an identity which continuously evolves as the game progresses
What kind of hero do you want with your item build? Shopkeeper says it best: "That is for you to decide."
what does a hero truly need?
Item build is still the hardest thing in Dota. newbies or even pros
Remembering Collapse forgetting not buying bkb instead of linken to counter rubick lift
Sad times.
Somethin I really like about dota items is that the game really lets you know that an item was used or a passive effect happened. When someone uses shivas you know why you're getting slowed. When you see someone use BKB they get bigger and as a support you know you wanna run away. If you get crit with deadalus you fucking know you just got crit because a big red number and a cheetah just roared in your ear.. Something that i struggle with in league is that every item feels like they are all just marginal improvements on the character like when you escape with 10 hp in dota and think "good thing i bought two ironwood branches instead of 1 in league every item feel like that to me.
100% feel it. There's something about the way dota 2 gives player feedback that's just unparalleled in quality to that of league.
Agreed plus every Item has great sound design.
In league you get in a fight there's 20 passives that activate at the same time you don't know what happens unless you look at the enemy build and death log after. There's some audiovisual feedback for runes but not all of them. Some shields have clear effects while other don't. Some effects like grievous wounds have a visual feedback that you can see but in the middle of a big fight it doesn't easily catch your attention and you can't always tell where it came from unless you check items and everything. It really makes the gameplay feel less impactful. you just go in and what happens happens. There's so many times I got slowed and the game doesn't explain why. You'd have to investigate between the runes, items and heroes many passives somewhere there's a conditional slow that fucked you and you had no way of understanding that during the fight. The fact that it never happens in dota shows just how well it's designed.
Some items in league do it ok, Luden's pop is decently loud but not necessarily what you're gonna notice when Annie dropped a thousand-pound bear on you for a stun.
Heartsteel I do think is decent at it, the sound effect it makes and it's criteria being an auto attack to proc makes it mostly obvious.
But then you have things like Liandry's, Jak'sho, and the like where it barely feels like anything is happening on both sides of the situation.
@@doublejacketjimmy391 agreed
I played both games (main in support position), but Dota for me is more like problem solving in all aspects of the game(even in winning). Also drafting is more complex like heroes power spikes, item and level timings. Whereas in league, almost support is a cookie cutter skill and item build. I am archon in Dota and Master at league, but it is more rewarding for me to play at Dota.
totally agree with this.
Support in league build the same exact items in the same exact order 99% of games while in dota you have to think and see what your team needs. That makes playing support very rewarding. There's a game where I built atos on dazzle because they had a sniper and we didn't have any lockdown and the moment I used it the enemy team started being more scared and it gave us enough space to catch up and win the game. Things like that never happen in lol and that's why I respect dota more as a strategy game while lol feels more like multiplayer diablo.
@@amuro9624 ? What is that nonsense you are spitting. In league you should also build items according to enemies and allies, especially support. So idk what ur talking about honestly
@@amuro9624like this is clearly a take from a silver/Gold lol player
@@natural783 give me an example of an item you built because of your teammates as support in league.
There are a handful of items and hero passives in Dota that give increased melee range (Broom Handle and Penta-Edged Sword) but they are all Neutral Items which are special items dropped from the jungle camp monsters
Also if you thought Meteor Hammer was already nuts, Phoenix can channel it while using their Icarus Dive ability!!
I didn't include neutral items or trinkets here (except for like 3 seconds at the start)
@@TZAR_POTATO right, just wanted to mention it since you mentioned attack range with the dragon lance
Basically the fucking bird becomes a carpet bomber every 15-20 seconds xD
player: the enemy is kiting me what can you suggest an item for me?
league: increase your movement speed or increase your defense
dota: here pick; eye of skadi, blink dagger, shadow blade, abyssal blade, shiva's guard
page 1 of 5 options
Scyth of vyse, Euls scepter, ¿Meme hammer?
Also consider Boots of Travel for changing the kiting scope from micro to macro, but with you on the lead this time.
If an enemy is kiting it'd be Rod of Atos for some who can nuke but no move speed or if you have move speed but can't deal dmg, bloodthorn can work.
Depends on which hero you are really.
Also force/hurricane pike?
Also harpoon now... and I guess aghanim's scepter and shard... Technically.
If you do a video on DotA2's talents and LoL's champion passives you can combined with this highlight the biggest difference. In DotA2 practicly all champions are flex champions: having at the very least two very distinct playstyles. In LoL that's rarely the case and half of the flex-roles are not intended initially (I will never forget AP Master Yi)
Oh, what a cool idea!
Yep its true. Almost all heroes in dota can be any role. (Carry, mid, support etc) and they can flex between attack dmg based or spell based.
However, the higher in rank you go the harder it is fight the meta. You'll be punished hard for trying to play carry as a support hero because the top players just know the game too well, especially if the enemy team is in a stack.
@@curtisstephens4482 it's 7.33 , fucking everything meta is out the window! I showed a divine player my AM mid build and he spams it now, meta be fucked!
@@TZAR_POTATO Meta is awesome u mean :D Great videos man, keep up the good work
@@mu0nt893 Thank you!
I like dota more, coz every problem will have solution... if my team losing early game.. we just simply buy item that counter enemy team, and we win late game😂...
but in league if we losing early game.. n enemy get their item first.. we almost always lost in late game.....
dota is problem solving game
lol is speed farming game
By the way the fact that this video came out just 3 months ago and it's still already outdated on both games for so many items really shows how fast things can change in this genre of videogames.
This is a really cool video. It makes a lot of the exact arguments ive made about why LoL items system is just filler and despite having so many items there is only like 10 viable on any given champ. Ive always thought the Talent system in Heroes of the Storm was a far better system because its not pretending you have all this freedom but instead giving you a few synergistic picks every couple levels that can completely change playstyle of a hero.
Well put, it's "filler" !! Hadn't thought of it that way.
Yes this is true. I mean all of the champions have their kit "perfected" so they don't need any more abilities. They need stat check. On the other hand DotA Heroes need items to support their playstyle.
@@rayznshine totally
@@rayznshine yes. A lot of heroes desperately need a blink dagger to be even remotely useful lol
@@curtisstephens4482 don't buy blink on Anti-mage please
Dota items feel so powerful. I like the part where Ashe meets Drow Ranger.
:) I reused now unlisted videos. I have two commercial vids where heroes meet up in different games, for twitch events i ran a month or two ago
@@TZAR_POTATO Do you stream as well? If you do you should link your Twitch so both platforms can find you.
@@tylerteracide I do stream, yeah. No need for the platforms to clash though. Other than the streams that I coach league players learning dota, my content from both platforms is pretty different.
I'll give a brief example of what items in Dota 2 can do, Earthshaker as an example, you can build him as support initiator with blink dagger, force staff, urn, but you could also go for aghanim and daedalus and become a massive nuker and if you want even more CC than he already has than just buy meteor hammer. Dota items can change the playstyle of every hero and still make it work in the long run.
This goes to show the skill ceiling in Dota vs LOL. Items in Lol are mostly passives like the vidoe says do you can just turn off your brain while you play. While in dota, not only do items are actives some also give you 1 or more extra skills so you’re literally playing a piano w Dota w all the buttons you gotta press and memorize
On top of being more boring and less impactful, League's actives also have much longer cooldowns.
Also, League actives never cost mana because not all champions have mana, while in Dota a lot of actives do consume mana as well, often justifying smaller cooldowns.
Think its intentional, from what I've seen and experienced, league is Champion first then items. Obviously, this has its pros and cons.
@@firelynx1266 it is intentional, but i personally dont like it
Wait. Characters without mana? That's weird
@@lees4416 other champs use energy (particularly Ionian champions) or don't use any type of energy source.
@@lees4416 some champions use a resource called "energy", others use their own hp to cast abilities
Dota's item building feels way better for me, because in league it feels like I'm buying an item just so I can get stronger. When I buy an item in Dota, I'm doing it with a higher and smarter purpose than just getting stronger.
For example:
I bought an Aeon Disk and not only am I stronger, it was a smart decision so I can avoid getting killed by the enemy sniper!
OMG, the current meta as of typing this on Meteor Hammer XD. Almost everyone gets that item now.
Right? I even buy it on axe, i mean how can you beat 5 sec aoe cc
back in the day League did have some fun builds like this. I don't think anyone who's played early league will ever forget the terror of 5 sunfire cape Garen.
Evelynn with sunfire capes with perma invis was a nightmare too.
Dodge Jax
50 seconds in and you already dropped more "how is league different from dota" knowledge than I see some threads do.
is this the first vid you've seen from my comparison playlist? you might like the others even more :D
Man this really just highlights the difference between dota 2 and league at its core, from items to heroes to gameplay. One item in league seems complex cuz it has a billion fluff words to make it flashy and “cool” and it just increases your aoe dps (surprise, lol). One item in dota simply floats your target in the air for a second or two, but it has a huge and wide range of how you use that in game that can change the entire course of a team fight. Save an ally, purge a debuff, hold an enemy in the air to catch up to them, hold an enemy in the air to get them out of the way to deal with their friends. Can’t do all 4 at same time cuz cooldown, so you gotta think ahead and assess every situation to make the most impact with it. All from a very simple concept, but this is dota so it has very wide ranging implications and uses. League replaces strategic open endedness and game impact with flashiness in almost every situation. Look at the most complex league heroes, they’re made hard because you have 80 buttons to press. In dota, even simple heroes/items have wide ranging strategic implications to it cuz the game is so deep past just button pressing. And also dota has button press hero too. Like Meepo, he doesn’t just require good micro, he requires good macro Ontop of that because his unique strengths and weaknesses have serious implications to how you tackle every single matchup and teammate. Oh, and don’t forget about item timings
The reason lol items have so much text is because they are very fine tuned for balance, not to seem cool. Every part of the item description is there to make it viable on many champs while not being broken on any of them.
@@dmon9333 LOL is not very really that "fine tuned" compared to Dota though
@@dmon9333 and yet league item build is very linear
@@dmon9333 I don’t think so, the finely tuned aspect of an item or weapon doesn’t require walls of text because whether an item is finely tuned to be balanced or not is entirely reliant on the environment it’s in. A single item like Euls Scepter can be finely tuned for balance in dota and constantly is, despite being very simple. They just occasionally change the price or disable time to fit the meta so that it’s balanced. League weapons are over tuned in that case, in a way that gets in the way of game balance not aid it because they’re so absurdly overly convoluted and therefore convoluted to adjust for the meta and balance.
Dota Items can turn any heroes the most broken, annoying, can evade almost everything, Magic or Physical Build, Bulkier (even a support/squishy hero), Dodge Master, Skill/Item spammers, 1 Hit killer.
More or less anyone can build their own items with limitations like Melee/Range and questioning yourself
"Is this really needed to impact for THE ENTIRE TEAM?"
YES. yes, anyone should have access to any items with little down sides aside from inventory space :D
@@TZAR_POTATOThe addition of universal heroes as a concept I think enforces that as an idea
Not sure about that. Suddenly, some heroes benefit from all-stats items a lot more than anyone else does, meaning that common damage items are sort of obsolete for them. @@nicreven
Mostly I meant that in the way of, like, universal right clickers can buy any item they need without having to worry about the stats. If they want health and damage, they can get strength, if they want mana and damage, they get int, etc. Maybe it's not really anything like that though, I'm very bad at dota lmao@@TZAR_POTATO
I play both game for a really long time. Now, I understand why both creator want to make their own "unique" games. Both are completely on different level eventhough they share the same fundamental gameplay.
Honestly, I respect both game equally. -Both are toxic anyways-
RIP Tome of Knowledge 😢
These videos are very important to me bc I recently picked up a moba called predecessor, and they’ve made it very obvious that they’re taking inspiration from league of legends in terms of the item system and overall game design philosophy, which is a huge disappointment bc I’d rather they take inspiration from dota.
Right now we have exactly the same problem with our item system that league has which is leaving me burnt out.
:(
Man I miss OG Paragon :(
me too bro, predecessor is lowkey terrible, i dont think its gonna make it in this moba world @@cantflyforshit
At least they sold EA packs for up to 40$. Lmao
This video is really amazing. I mainly play DoTA and sometimes play League because of Fiddle. I kinda' got lazy playing League once the new Fiddle came out (didn't like that they removed his movement speed passive). So I thought to play a support champion instead, as you see playing a Mage/Caster in League is as really simple as building AP from start to finish. Moreover, he's already Sand King with a Blink for me so the intuition and instinct I have from playing DoTA doesn't change much. The problem with the support role however, is remembering the items part. I'm fine pressing more than 5 buttons to support but I just can't remember each every damn item as a support, so I just don't play League now.
This video really helped me for the comparisons. Amazing work.
Glad that you like it! I'm also a dota player, but after this patch... oh man, the more dota tries to be heroes of the storm or league, the more I wonder why I don't play more hots or league. I mean, if dota wants to be them... that's a sign?
@@TZAR_POTATO One thing I can confidently tell you about the new patch, is that its absolutely bonkers and I'm loving it lmao. Of course, as for the direction where DotA is heading, well... even I can't really tell. Some may meme about this but I really do trust the Frog himself to guide this game.
Much of DotA patches and changes have many times, come from the community themselves. Even as far back to the DotA Allstars Forums. As long as IceFrog is still the same as he was, and they were (whoever his current team is right now) too, then I'm all in for it.
@@floreskyle1 I can respect the dedication!
As for me... Well, I still got vids to make! I was actually thinking of doing a meme video of Patch Size comparison, but that would just be mean :D Maybe I might sometime though?
Lmao, I play fiddle support and in many cases it's awesome.
@@The69Oskar69 Awesome!
Lol: You are the same thing in the early game and the late game but more powerful
Dota: You can be so much different from the early game
What does a hero truly need?
Lol: More AD, AP, Armor, HP
Dota: That is for you to decide :)
What a good quote to bring up, and so true!
@@TZAR_POTATO It was a mention from the dota 2 gamescom trailer
@@TZAR_POTATO @TZAR_POTATO btw your videos are so precious for the moba community, keep it up :)
@@MyGamerPonyThat's what I mean, it was a good quote. And, thanks! I hope more people get to see them someday. I think I would get my big break if a popular personality from either game finds an interest and watches my vids on their stream, would be so cool.
Great video. Had a thought while watching that League's Arena mode has some unique mechanics that are missing from the regular games, like refreshing ultimates, polymorph, invisibillity. Certain augments change what a champion can normally do in a way items don't.
People sometimes describe Dota with the phrase " if everyone is overpowered, no one is" and I think that applies to League of Legends Arena as well!
Peeved it got removed for the next season too
Im very impressed, you've earned my sub. Keep them coming. Next up, creep mechanics.
Creep mechanics? I thought I covered them in a general sense in both the support video and the mid comparison videos. Or, do you think more detail is needed?
Also... Thank you for the sub! Always nice to have a fan
@@TZAR_POTATO Yeah I saw you covered it lightly. I was thinking like creep dmg types ( seige pierce etc), and creep types. I wanna know what kind of creeps there are in LOL. maybe how creep aggro works in league. the Deny mechanic for all the league fans out there. Ive only watched last 5 videos, so I dont know if you covered in depth in earlier videos.
@@sayy_gaarr I see.
Hey, I was curious what the song was starting from 5:00 , I hear it a lot on your channel and it's kinda chill. Thanks for the videos btw, they're really enjoyable
came in for the content, stayed for the dope song choices
Dont need this myself as i am aquainted with DOTA items now but the incoming LoL players are gonna find this so useful wish i had it when i first jumped over great video!
Ty!
I play both on-and-off nowadays (usually off), but I've played more Dota. I've noticed that people don't read item descriptions in lol, when they were flaming me for building AD item on Karthus only to wonder later why my ult has 30s cd xD
Something that I think could be good would be a video on aghs and how much it can change the Hero as I dont think there is a similar item in League
My league friend is starting to play Dota (he played Dota 1 many years ago) and he is playing strength carries, i told him about how you can play with mordiggian leaving you at 1 hp and activating it again to boost your hp so you don't die and he is loving that mechanic, he has died trying it because he didn't time it well, or got hit by an unexpected spell, but when it keeps him alive, he feels like a pro player 🥸
music : Massive Attack - Teardrop (Contra Bootleg)
death recap, ability and item tooltips are way more detailed in dota , u can ping buffs/debuffs , also dont forget day and night time one of most important aspects in vision
nice video, subbed
Much appreciated! Hope you like all my other vids too
The most disappointing thing about league at least for me is that the flash skill. It's like tumbler's toy with a few extra range and has a 5min cd in avg 30min game.
Great video, have you ever thought about making a video about mechanical skill in league vs dota? Personally I think since league is a much simpler game there's a lot more focus on raw mechanical skill while dota being a much more complex game is not so focused on that and it's more about strategy. It could also explain the age differences of league pros vs dota, you are lucky to be a league player above the age of 21-22 since there's always a new 17 yo mechanical prodigy somewhere ready to take your spot but that's considered young in Dota
I feel like that's an easy way for me to make enemies... better I stick to gameplay concepts and game design for a while longer :p
@@TZAR_POTATO lmao probably true, but I do believe it's the most fundamental difference between the two games. I think it shows in how league has made a very active effort in removing point and click enemy target abilities, while Dota doesn't even see it as an issue.
rip spell immunity, you will be missed
Ursa in dota is a simple hero with simple skill kit but can be the same carry with 3 diff builds and diff gameplay(plan) for example, ursa diffusal(fight early snowball) ursa battlefury(late game scale carry) Ursa(scepter,shard,octarine,euls)tank durable carry disruptive lategame based off timing ult/eartshock talent/shard spam winning time with euls for more earthshocks/enrages
Providing damage through his passive claw damage by prolonging the fight thsnks to low cd enrage and earthshock enragr euls etc with purple blink dagger
What is the name of the music during item comparison?
In the unigque catergory, orb have the same effect to slow enemy movement speed though
I subscribed to your channel because I realised you're actually a new channel and also give good information.
Now you shall give me the name of the song you use when comparing the items😂
hahaha ok ok:
massive attack teardrop contra
zhu faded delta
it's different outlaw
@@TZAR_POTATO Thanks, may your channel grow bigger. You are underrated tbh.
@@Agitubed Thanks back!
Power threads interaction :)))
Using the active to actively use the passives
What do you mean?
@@TZAR_POTATO Power threads is both active and passive, the active is you can keep changing the main atteibutes, and the passive is you get +10 for any of the selected attributes.
I think thats what he trying to say, and i also think its one of the most unique item dota have
I miss hextech gunblade (that was the same Dagon from dota)
And there aghanim scepter / shard... Basically give extra skill to your hero
what's the song playing in the background?
In Dota, you can make the decision to transition from support CM to out of nowhere build Dagon 5. In LoL, you try double Smite like Tilterella and half your games get ran down mid and reported.
Good video you should get more views
How? vid got downvoted hard in reddit
Your videos about Dota and LoL are very good. Thank you potato
Glad you like them!
What are the songs used in this video?
What is the name of the song / remix playing at 10:25.
Comparing regen in dota and lol is a bit senseless to me personally, like yes corruption potion refills in teh base like in dota. But the thing is you cant just get refills in lane by picking up runes or having teammates tp, same with the pots. You barely buy regen in league, despite them being techincally similar cause you reset a lot more and get regen in your base/fountain.
what is the song for this video? thanks!
Holy fuck that MD House dnb remix is so fucking good
TZAR I hope you cover about the sound designs of both games.
It's on my to-do... after a bunch of other vids though. Will be a while, hope you can wait :)
Hiciste un video sobre el competitivo de dota vs lol ? Did you make a video about the competitive of dota vs lol?
Not yet.
What’s the first song in this video?
just stumble upon your channel, and this video made me subs :)
also want to give a shoutout the best example of how item can determine a game winning GRAND CHAMPION The International 9, game 4 :
Gyrocopter with Diffusal, item so out of Meta for the Hero, the caster questioning it, everyone questioning it. but it works.
Also IO with Aghanim, from hard Support into Hard Carry
Thanks for becoming a fan! Please do enjoy the rest of my videos too ;)
Aghanim 😂 bottom of the Dota Iceberg 😂 don't even mention that League devs ll be homeless 😂
I left it out because what the fuck how do i even approach that??
@@TZAR_POTATOyou can say in the video that "item than can upgrade skill/ability and each hero have diferent kind of upgradable skill/ability"
Playing lol is like, you one shot everyone, or you are unkillable, but dota is about sustain, you probably can risk go all in, but once you get cc by enemies is like bye2, and dota had risk, like if you had rapier, once you died rapier drop
Is music choice cioncidence or are you referencing "Dota 2 Tips"? :D
Coincidence, though I heard it there first. I was looking for a long time for no-copyright edm that's actually good, and remembered it worked for dota 2 tips so why not for me?
@TZAR POTATO can you link the first song pls
@@kiranaryal3641 string concertos Vivaldi
@@TZAR_POTATO sorry I meant on 5:30 really banger song
League itemization is a joke. But they can be lazy because ppl will buy Star Guardian skins anyway.
yes
great video =))
Blink Hero buy Blink Dagger is the way to make your enemy and your team hate you.
Does league have a function to expand upon the way items/abilities work like alt in DOTA 2? Some of their item descriptions seem a bit unclear in the actual specifics, like Thornmail damage
I'm not sure, but from what I hear, there's a lot of mandatory usage of the fandom wiki to understand some items and abilities.
@@TZAR_POTATO Ahh so League just has a massive issue with clarity and specificity of information. Kinda sucky for the players, and a big put off coming from a game that does give you that clarity and specificity.
@@Wyrdangus Not only that, but interactions between spells and items are almost impossible to test because of the limited demo mode they have (called practice tool in League).
Yes, hold left-shift and you see full description with all numbers.
You can extend the duration of the Tango 2x more by
Using it on a Iron branch tree
Or by planting it.
There's also the fact that Dota has neutral items (not sure if you already made a video of it but yeah just saying).
Played both games
Had fun, but mostly play Dota now
I see League as the typ of game when i want to do cool things
Solo fights, outplays etc the flashy stuffs. EQ flash EQ into ult (Yasou).
But it feels too static
Or unchanging
Like every fight feels the same most of the time.
While Dota makes you think more on team Synergies, map controls, stacking, map awareness like supports using tp when a lane gets gone on. Denying creeps, pulling creep aggro and so on.
Sir ple what's the name of the song @ 5:01?
Enemy support hitting me at below 2%hp: Why this guy is not dying?!
Me: Haha Armlet goes brrrrrr
The idea of building stuff purely for the Effects or hell, just getting a pure durability item on an otherwise glass cannon does seem far off at times in league, it might provide survivability and movement speed, but if you were going to build a dead man’s plate on an ADC then you’d get yelled at, in that role you need to (or at least are pressured to) hyperfocus on damage as much as possible even If that really isn’t the issue you’re facing at that point.
It’s not impossible though, I mostly play Tanks, bulky Mages or bruisers and I feel there is more room there to look into other areas around there, a lot of mage and fighter items give HP already, if I wanted to get Warmogs for Hp regen or Spirit visage for synergy, well, I’m not sacrificing nearly as much as I would if I was getting that stat anyway.
Still hindered by the AP/AD split granted, no amount of Crowd control immunity will get your team off your back if they see you with a silvermere dawn or something as a mage.
It might have been mentioned in another video, but in exchange for not having quite as many active items, league does have Summoner Spells, I think flash specifically was placed to make up for a lack of blink dagger.
As a final note, I do wish League had more things comparable to Aganim’s sceptre or HOTS talents, there really is something appealing to changing how an ability inherently works.
I keep watching your videos, but you keep solidifying reasons to not get into Dota as though they're good. Still entertaining though, so thanks for making the videos.
I'm not sure what you mean... but, what's important is you enjoy my vids, so thanks for being a fan!
11:41 Surprised that the item name is clearly named "Rylai's Crystal Scepter"
There's also guinsoo's rageblade and the abyssal scepter!
I, personally, enjoy a "passive stacking" style of itemization. Less buttons to press are better to invite new players in, but the items must do a LOT to justify changing the builds.
I dont blame LoL's boring itemization on the items, i blame it on the champions and on how some stats are just borked from the beginning. Dota champions offer much more from their approach to their skills compared to LoL's "everyone is fast and burtsts everyone else's with damage" appoach to character creation
11:42 why the heck CM's Scepter is in League 😂. Please nerf CM 😅
hehehhehe -5 ms
Video is nice! Can u do video about map structures and map events? For Example towers. I think in lol towers is more compexity and has more strategic role than towers in dota 2.
Also events like dragons, nashor in lol is a lot of strategic points
Already did.
Yes, dota's towers have no plating and such, that doesn't mean they have any less strategical importance. One of the main reasons you kill towers is to open up the map for your team, allowing access to not just the lane but also the nearby jungles. Controlling more of the map means your team means more space for your team to farm and less for your opponents. And that's really simplifying it.
Rosh definitely has more things going for it than drakes/baron. On one hand you kill baron and get a buff for your team, cool. But only one hero gets the aegis. Same goes for cheese and aghs/refresher shard. Who should get which? Yeah the carry usually get the aegis, but sometimes it's better to give it to the mid who just used buyback instead. What about refresher shard? Give it to the offlaner for 2 ravages, or to the carry/mid/etc for 2 bkb/shadow dance/etc?
That's the dota design. Everything here can be succinctly described within a single sentence. You may think that makes the objectives are obvious and straightforward, but that's just because how you're supposed to use them aren't told directly to you. Decision making especiallly at the macro level depends heavily on the context of each match.
@@absolutelynotadog7498 maybe i agree. But i notice:
i found nice channel which tell a lot of difference between dota and lol. It doesn't get a lot of points to one of them. Steel analysys. Channel name "Tsarpotato" if i wasn't mistake. Before i comment it, i didn't know it.
And his channel is so underrated, btw other videos from other videomakers about difference and comlexity dota or lol "which harder" get more views.
in my Country dota 2 is more popular than lol, and it's cringe for me especially :D. Avarage Dota 2 russuan gamer talk about how LoL is a easy with differense of dota, and they even didn't try to take silver at once in LoL...
I agree that these two so different games, in each with literally features but not one of them harder than one.
@@synthwave_chad Yep, that's how I look at it too. Those who are fond of dota like me prefer the methodical approach of dota, but I do recognize that I am too much of a boomer for the mechanics intensive gameplay of lol. The toxic people will simply write it off as they simply don't care.
Ну вот тебе личный пример, у меня в доте 700-й ранг eu, это считай грандмастер или челенджер в лиге( в зависимости от сервера). Я на euw апнул изумруд 4-й за 100-200 игр в рейтинге, не зная большинства способностей персонажей, просто копируя сборки и руны с сайта.
В общем, дотерам, куда легче перейти в лигу, в то время как игрокам лиги, придется очень много чего выучить, чтоб играть в доту, из чего следует, что дота куда более обьемна из за чего и сложней.
Forgot to mention the neutral items
I intentionally left them out, as I also left out League's trinkets.
Song name?
Rylai's Crystal Scepter isn't unique to League, tho. Crystal Maiden has Rylai's Crystal Scepter
its interesting how these 2 similar game took 2 routes. dota 2 after paying since dota 1 the devs there stop caring but i still gotta give them credit for the versatility. lets not forget the learning curve.. its not an easy game to learn the basics (items, spells, comobs etc) but to master it, i think its equally hard for both games as i wont deny enjoying LoL for a bit too. But dota arcades got me back to them lol whats your view on it?
I like dota more.
Dota Arcades>>>>
Dota 1x6, Overthrow 3.0, ChC, Troll vs Elves...
@@ghos_ty3157 I like aghs lab, but you didn't list it :(
Doran shield is closer to pms or stout shield before they were removed. I mean it was practically copied over no?
I only showcased things as they were during recording.
Liandry is similiar to witch blade, both apply a dot damage and Rylai is pretty much the same as Skadi from Dota. The only difference is that in Dota these debuffs are applied by auto attacks and in LoL by spells. I would say these are actually the closest ones from all the items you have shown :p Besides from that Dota in general gives yo umuch more freedom how you want to play the game, not just itemization but laning etc. It really sucks that you cannot play melee adc in LoL for example, I tried couple of heroes but it doesn't really work. LoL in general feels very bland and boring most of the time, still play it from time to time but mainly because one of my friends does.
Master Yi could fit that melee ADC, but i have also no real clue about DOTA2 and am thinking about starting to play the game. Though you have no spell immunity in LoL, but you can dodge a lot with a well timed Master Yi Q.
@@Faude18 ah avoiding stuff like this with Yi Q is quite a normal thing in Dota and you can do that on every hero if you buy item called Manta Style which creates 2 illusions of your characters, there is a window of invulnerability that lasts maybe half a second but if you time it right you can avoid everything almost.
@@The69Oskar69 but Yi's Q cooldown gets lowered by 70% upon killing champions and every auto attack lowers it for 1 second which allows for multiple Q's in a teamfight. I was more talking about Yi being somewhat of a melee ADC. Yasuo and Tryndamere could be called that as well.
@@The69Oskar69actually Window much lower than 0.5, just saying😂
@@The69Oskar69 not something ez to do. Not all dota player is rtz. Dodging spell with blink dagger is easier to do for newbie
Can pls give the song link at 7:00 great vid btw
i've been searchinh for an hour
Massive Attack - Teardrop (Contra Bootleg). I asked for that on his stream :D.
I feel like Heartsteel must be every tank's wet dream, no matter the game. What could you want more from an item that stacks permanent max health by giving big bonks to the enemy while making your model bigger and bigger?
Dota's item Heart Of Terrasque is better, in that it gives 1.6% max hp regen / sec, even in combat.
@@TZAR_POTATOi dont think that good compare. One give you infinity scale on HP that in some game also scale with you ability damage. Other give you HP regen base on you HP. It like the Hero of the Storm quest that give you free HP every time you collect an healing orb that make every tank try to get it even it mean put them in danger
@@TZAR_POTATOlike in this video you could saw how impactful that heartsteel can be give tank player 10000+ Extra HP but the way it work only in very long game or speed up mode game in lol aka URF. That HP will improve some of lol champion damage to make them became unkillable oneshot machine if the game take long enough ( which never happen unless it a special mode)
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Shiva's is more like Frozen Heart.
not really, i can think at least 5
-necronomicon is the bane of support player, used to hate it until i use it on lycan/beast myself
-bloodstone as snowball item in timbersaw, then theres a patch where it cuts respawn timer. its so op
-im not playing enough in t his patch but the totem damage reduction item is op
-this is just me but i hate poor man shield era
-octarine on release gave spell lifesteal iirc, really op
Dota is so flexible you can do Phoenix mid with Dagon and dominate the freaking game.
It is really flexible but if I see you going dagon on phoenix I will have some great concerns..
@@TZAR_POTATO I know it sounds bizarre but the worst part is that it works hahah. Phoenix doesn't really have proper scalling items, and since he is Universal he does really benefict from the atributes and the spell lifesteal. It also weirdly synergizes with his high mobility, dps and strong ability to bait.
It only really works properly on mid tough (Phoenix is a surprisingly good mid), since that way he can scale better being able to properly obliterate anyone in seconds from early-to-mid Game, in the end you get the cost back.
Is something you don't really think can be pulled out but it works if you know how to do it. Is a strat my brother tought out of nowhere, he is the best Phoenix player I have ever seen.
Mekansm unique is grant effect dispel, which is pretty OP in league
I hope you mean Guardian Greaves.
@@TZAR_POTATO greaves got that property from meks lol
@@vincentprime740 Nope, check again. Please, if you are going to use "lol" at least say something that's true....
@@vincentprime740 yeah, i thought the same like you but when i checked again mekan was never had a dispell
@vincentprime740 mek is only heal and greaves gives dispel, that's y the recipe cost soo damn much
Shadow fiend can surprise buttseks you. Yup my drink went up my nose with that one
The reason I quit league was the itemization, its so overwhelming compared to dota 2
How did you forget to mention Armlet and Mata dodge
I didn't forget.
I feel like mythics were put in for this reason, but now, with mythic status being removed, they should do this with normal items
They said that items across the board are getting nerfed with the next season :/
@@TZAR_POTATO hopefully this mean they will add new items.(lol its riot)
How could you not compare heart of tarrasque to warmogs armor? They're almost the same item
Considered it, but heartsteel and terrasque are both top hp items so I chose that instead.
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What the fuck
Since when did Luden's give movement speed?
I literally never knew or noticed that and I have played League for over a year now
Reading tooltips is OP. :D
@@HighLanderPonyYT tbh I never read Luden's beyond the AP ratio and numbers of the damage burst. And let's be honest, noone gives a shit about the movespeed either, you buy Luden's for damage, and damage alone
My friends are drying to get me into Dota but it's so excessive 😩
The biggest patch in 3 years just dropped, game is chaos and nobody knows what is going on
dota has a lot of really good noob freindly features that really help you get used to the game. You can select any hero during a match and you can see and read all their items and abilities. guided builds can be selected and tell you what items to buy in what order as well as skill order and have tooltips that explain what the items do in a eli5 way as well as explain the item synergies with your hero. Finally dota has the coaching system. if you know someone who plays dota you can let them spectate you ping things, ping items to buy, and even draw on your screen or map.
@@bradfin12 point is, guides are instantly outdated from the patch, meta is out the window, tutorials are sometimes too buggy to even complete... it's chaos out there!
@@TZAR_POTATO if you're new meta doesn't matter. If you're at the point where you are worrying about meta game you are no longer a beginner.
@@TZAR_POTATO guides are for when you don't know what all the items do or how items synergies with your hero yet. You play with guides until you know the items well enough to know what items to buy in which situations without being told.
I really like Dota 2 as a whole, but i really hate it's item system. I've always wanted it to be more like league's, that is, actually buffing what your specific hero does, instead of just making everyone be able to do everything
You forgot Armlet a unique and very interesting item
I never forget. I just didn't include.
You only use Q and R heroes but when you buy Dota's items, you can be ASDZXC..
eyo, give me that song