Yuumi vs Io: A look at the Symbiote Support role design from both League of Legends, and Dota 2.
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2023
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Episode 4:
League of Legends and Dota 2 are practically sister games. Enjoy this trip through the comparison of the parasite support role, and the heroes Yuumi and Io.
Sorry if you saw it already, but I got feedback for bad audio at start, wanted to fix by request. - Hry
The big difference between Yuumi and Io: Faker can't use Carry Yuumi to win Worlds.
Io core is a nightmare.
Last worlds it was viable, it was just so broken as supp u never saw her open
Everyone: Ah yes, a symbiotic support character
OG Ana: Hold my 2 TIs, I'm about to break the meta
Fucking 48 game win streak what the hell
@@TZAR_POTATO 48 win streak in tournament game
Ana the god carry 1
As a person who played both games, Io feels much better to play with/against than that cancer cat.
Yup2 but the truth is they dont Nerf enough Yumi and IO was nerf a lot
Probably true since cat removes your ability to play the game.
I always despised Yuumi all the years i played league but Io is my most played hero in Dota also highest winrate, its all about positioning, damage calculations and timings, Yuumi just presses buttons on cooldown with no risk, comparing them is almost insulting to how far harder Io is to play haha
@@minutosdesapercibidosesp-e4508 For that reason I think I just HAD to compare them. This comparison is actually the origin for the idea behind my Role Comparison series. It was the fourth video I made, but the first I thought up.
@@moon5636unfortunately there was a good reason to nerf IO during his heyday. He was an almost guaranteed win condition in the 1st and 2nd TI he's played on. Someone that can easily defend base while split pushing during the time where teleport scrolls are more expensive and take an item slot.
I like how Yuumi is hated, yet Io is among the most popular and beloved supports in the game, while being mechanically really close
it all stems from yuumi invincibility, a truly toxic, deprived mechanic i how she uses it
@@TZAR_POTATO so true. When I first time joined LoL I was astonished by how bonkers the idea of basically permanently untargetable support was. Then I learned that it doesn't matter that much and Yuumi is not even that good of a support, just annoying to play against
Yuumi got a gameplay update around Febuary/March 23 because the first version was so braindead you could win games with SINGLE DIGIT APM.
And was so safe she was pick-or-ban for so long.
Well, IO getting mad and going full damage carry with the tether target attack sometimes makes the carry you tether to the accessory instead of you.
I love how that's even ALLOWED in dota, and would be top of the line hated in league!
@@TZAR_POTATOJust like the geneva convention, roles are simply a suggestion
Some league player trying Dota with his veteran Dota player: can i be the carry. Everybody said support is so hard in Dota😅
VD2P: yeah sure i'll become support for early 10 to 20 minute😀
League player: what do you meant by that supp for just 10 to 20 minute?🤔
VD2P: just see😃
The game reach 20 minute Mark and his support friend start buy rapier aghanim and carry the game.
League player: 😮
what are we? i$r@hell?@@fitzviandraduivenab2790
Hah ! I love dota. When in league, when you play an agressive support, that is made to roam, if you have the lack of luck to go with an Adc/apc that want you to babysit him/her/them they fucking cry and kamikaze themself in the tower ennemy, saying it's all your fault.
When those things happen in Dota, last time i saw that, i saw a Dazzle saying "fine, i'l do it myself" and started to Dazzle all over the place.
And then Io hits 25 and starts attacking whenever their attached carry attacks. Which is terrifying.
Yuumi: ok, where are we going?😺
Io: ok, where do you think we're going?⚪ obviously at the enemy well, im gonna feed you to the dogs
Lol
I feel like the reason why support role is unpopular in league is due to the lack of things to do for that role, apart from poking the enemy, warding and dewarding and the occasional gank, there's nothing else, making it feel like the lowest skill player should play the role. Dota fixes this problem by allowing them to have more things to do, giving them more impact to the state of the game, as well as having two supports means they aren't as discriminated and bullied to just follow the carry's orders.
Support is usually the very beginning role for people start play dota. But it is hard because it requires you utilize limited resources to get the biggest impact. And the impact here is not about damage but about strategy, map control, initializing clash/fight.
I once explain the support things need to be done to my league player friend and he said that insane mechanic
@@xeko.dota2594 I disagree that support is a good beginner role, and actually think core is way more useful for beginners. That being said, I leave it to the player to choose what they want to learn.
tried league and got flamed for ganking other lanes as a support. sad
@@st1n me too... me too.
are we playing the same games lil bro? xd
in dota, no one likes pos 4 or 5 thats why you see ppl pick core heroes in low elos
in league, support has been for the last 4 years not the least popular role, with so much gold income and very different playstyles and champs, its much more fun and has actual agency over the game
in dota 2, you are starved for resources, spending all your money on sentries, dust, givin your tangos and clarity to your cores
nah, supp in league is MUCH MUCH more popular than pos 4 and 5 in dota
Went home after classes, friends made me play league with them. they made me play yuumi, I fell asleep during the laning phase. Greatest nap i had since entering college. Thanks yuumi
BAHAHAA
Dude, this editing with both games is amazing!
Thanks a lot!
This is an extremely underrated channel, your video quality is so good, and I love how you explain mechanics in a way that even me, someone who has played league for a couple years still finds entertaining. Keep it up and I'm watching the rest of ur vids and subbing!
If u want my unsolicited advice, I think the vid quality its self is really good. However the video thumbnail and video title made me think it was going to instead be a side by side ability comparison video, (which it was in some sense), but ended up being much more indepth with a deeper commentary on the mechanics of the game. So maybe cleaning up or trying to make the thumbnail and title more professional? Idk. Whatever u do, do not sacrifice the video quality this is so good
@@nategalit5407 thank you for the kind words!
I've tried a couple different thumbnail designs so far, though I like this one most since it IS a side by side, with design of the role as a major topic. If you share some visuals to what you think would be better i can take a look. I'm no pro though, so expecting pro levels is a bit out of my skil so far, maybe later i will learn as I get experience.
Share and like, it goes a long ways!
@@TZAR_POTATO will definitely like and share, yeah after I left that comment I immediately felt a little bad cuz I felt like I was just kind leaving criticism without offering any suggestions lol.
I think u definitely are growing fast even as I'm skimming thru videos that were released only six months ago (I'm planning to watch them lol)
As for thumbnails, I would just scroll thru league CZcamsrs u enjoy and just look and thumbnails YOU like and figure out why you like them. Knowing why you like something helps you understand why you like the other things you like which helps your own creative process. Sometimes even trying to recreate thumbnails just for fun can help you learn different thumbnail making techniques.
I edit (very amateurly) and do photography for fun and this was something I learned from my friend which helped tremendously. I hope this doesn't sound too preachy or anything lol cuz I do geniunely enjoy your content, the thumbnails and titles aren't "bad" at all!!
@@TZAR_POTATO also, ig what I meant by side by side was just like one of those no speaking, royalty free music, very very lazily produced videos where it's just like "yuumi q. Blab blah blah. Io q. Blah blah blah." I WAS VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED AND I FEEL BAD THAT I EVER HAD THAT ASSUMPTION.
The fact I had that assumption is more a reflection on the state of league content than a reflection on your content if that makes sense
@@nategalit5407 d'Awwww !!
Dota fixed the yuumi problem decades before yuumi's release
You are definitely supposed to roam as a support in league. Playing around your jungler and roaming early on supports can be super impactful.
Sitting afk in lane is the hallmark of bad supports
I'm just reflecting off of what I see pros doing. I've watched a LOT of league pro games to know that a league support might roam for seconds out of the laning stage, but will always go back to hover their carry.
IO be like : thank you...ckrk HEAVY MACHINE GUN, ENEMY CHASER
GOD TIER EDITING
hope ur channel grow fast
many thanks! Though, i kind of like the editing of the previous episode more ;)
I commented on your other video about the design differences vid and while I'm starting to work on my own video for HotS vs Dota vs League design philosophy differences, I feel like I might end up making a video about this first! In HotS we have our own 'symbiote support' specialist in the form of Abathur from SC2 with his team support ability literally called 'Symbiote' that puts a little 'hat' over allied players (from global range, he's a noncombatant himself and is extremely weak and squishy meant to sit back at the base or in a bush and provide global utility with his symbiote and his passive that spawns locust minions to push down the lane he is on (and give away his position to those looking for him) and reveal rotating enemies with stealthed mines (a bit like what techies in dota used to have)) that has some special abilities including a damaging skillshot, an aoe burst, and a shield that provides health regen.
Sounds fun! Feel free to use clips from my vid if you want to, but if you do, don't go too far and put me in the description :)
I am in the maybe unique position of having mained both Yuumi and Io. Back when I played league I picked up yuumi on release and played her almost exclusively until I left the game. Riot has since butchered what skill expression she had(yes, yuumi had skill expression, especially on the early patches where her pasives mana regen was required to keep up) but Io more than fill the hole for me. Io is my most played hero by far. I already liked the playstyle and the heavier focus on saves and intervention just fit the fantasy of these kind of supports a lot better.
I still think Yuumi is overhated. The combination of a very silly personality and concept with a mechanic that really doesn’t fit with leagues very personal, snowbally nature resulted in a lot more hate than the champion deserved. But when league games is already often decided by one lane getting far ahead having that person then get the extra boost of the yuumi just felt bad for everyone else. The interesting games on her was always when the lanes were even and you didn’t have an obvious target to AFK on.
Oh, and Io does not have a canonical gender with in game text defaulting to they/them pronouns. They’re a ball of good wibes people, those does not tend to have genitals.
I'm not a woke like you are, but IO is definetly not they/them. IO is an "it". Simple as the character itself.
I just realised that the dota silence sound affect sounds like someone saying silence
yup
Cool video idea: compare the carries in both games: LoL having glass cannon builds while Dota having BKB for example and making a diverse build
it would be possible to mention that IO will actually be able to assemble into a core
I read you comment and din't get it the first time, i was thinking "like, a sun ?"
But you where talking about the pos 1.
TF2 medic: you don't have cut me off like that.
ooo, forgot about him, haven't played tf2 in ages!
Why can't they (LoL devs) change yuumi to be movable and targetable? It is much better if they are adamant on keeping that cat in the house...
I think they can keep her immobile, but she should be able to be hit with any AOE. That would be decent balance I think.
very gud keep it up ma guy
Will do!
in league only some support are bound to their laners , the job of a support is more to work with his jungler than his adc/laner , the most powerfull duo in league are jungle/supp
but tbh im just starting dota so i cant really compare the 2 roles but any way nice video
Oh? But my point is that most of the time the support is with the adc, not the jungler. maybe in a team fight, sure. But, it's not that the support just fucks off from the lane and never returns, like some supports might do in dota
@@TZAR_POTATOit is exactly that way.
Ahhh. I remember the history when teemo was the most hated champ. Hahaha. Even I hate myself playing this champion. Io, on the other hand, just a ball, when all enemy hero target you first, ahhhh "support"
IO talent 25 CAN become a carry of the team attach yourself in a super fast atk speed heroes or just a multi hit atk skill
and you can atk whom their attacking in while at the back of the fight
also if you buy lifesteal the health you gain goes to the hero you attach to
Level 25 Io, in my games Heh, never gonna happen.
reminds me of helm dominator io
Lvl 25 IO is almost lore accurate, just give him atk items and the aspd comes from his tethered hero. Symbiote level: Venom and Eddie Brock.
when i first play league and found a flying cat attached to me i got this question
Never played LoL before, but I got a question, Can a Support/Tank role can carry and kill some tanky Champions?
I've played Dota and yes even supports can go Caryy mode which turns to be a fail or a great success
There's only a handful of supports in league that can scale enough damage to kill, and plenty of tanks. Most supports in league are like dazzle/oracle though, just buff and heal and shield and that's it.
@@TZAR_POTATO Honest question and not meant to be mean, but did u ever really play LoL for a longer time? Because a lot of stuff u write or say in your videos really seem like stuff you just read up instead of playing it for a longer time.
There are a lot of mages that get played as damage supports and if fed can carry a game. (you dont even need to be fed to blast the enemy adc early game with like Annie, Xerath, Vel, and so on... just hit lvl6 and bye enemy adc)
I mean even Nautilus or Leona which are fulltanks will fuck you up if you are overextending and dont have an enchanter on your side that keeps u alive. Just play a matchup like ADC1+Leona vs ADC2+Nautilus, if both supports focus the enemy adc on an all in a lot of ADCs are fucked in that situation early game.
And your point in the video that supports have less things to do:
A lot of supports tend to roam more and more which can carry games alone by that. (obviously they have to know they timings for it)
I am not saying that Dota2 supports do less, they do more because Dota2 has more things to do, like blocking minions, stacking/blocking junglecamps and so on which arent existing in LoL . Most of the time ADCs need to get carried early game by their support and not viceversa.
I have to say that I watched some LoL and Dota2 comparision videos of u now and u gave misinformations here and there, some ppl maybe think that I am nitpicking but I simply take the fact into account that a lot of Dota2 players that watch your videos know nothing about LoL, well and viceversa obviously. And spreading misinformation is kinda meh.
Yes there are. I have a lot of kills on my support engage. But for pure healer, nah they don't do damage. Only buffing team and debuffing the enemy team.
@@TZAR_POTATO I think there are still more support champion that you need to be considered as Pyke, Senna, Lux, Morgana, Karma, Malphite, Velkoz, Brand, and heck even Annie. Those are champion just to bully your laning opponent so your ADC kan farm safely
@@rayznshinemost of those champions are also cores, seeking refuge in the support role, either because their design brute forced them there(pyke, Senna) or the existence of Zed(basically every mage "support")
Good video, however i don't think we can qualify an aghs HoT S&K Io as a "support" in Dota more like utility core :)
The point is, Yuumi just can't itemize in any which way, and must stick to a support build 99% of the time.
@@TZAR_POTATOHer Q at that point did ridiculous %Health damage once empowered so you could build her full AP and easily have the highest damage output in the game, while being untargettable for all of it
Can you compare lifestealer pos 5 with radiance, vladimir and other aura items that sits in his carry forever with yuumi, he also known as "useful parasite".
That sounds troll.
now imagine both games get an abathur-style symbiote
As a H-support main in dota. My partner in lane is going to be a fat baby. From farm stacked, wards, pull, to free heals and mana pots.
Definitely feels good when your lane baby is fat... I remember a game when I (Treant) and my lane partner (Faceless Void) was able to pull a whole team into our lane to stop our push... XD we really bullied their bottom lane so hard... XD
Io is literally what yummi should have been. Its a symbiote sup done right
100%
And then there was the Meta where IO was a hard carry mid hero who mind controlled a jungle creep.
Oh yeah, there's also a 0.1 second window on the return part of his ult where if you time a TP to finish at the same time you can dodge the return. (or was it 0.01?) Either way, hard to land as it's effectively a bug in the game, I tried practicing it but at my best I could only get it 1 out of 3 times.
It got removed a long time so it might be a bug if u can pull it off now.
Except for that time that Io got to win an international mid with Aghs and helm of the dominator.
Sometimes people forget Life stealer can also be a symbiote
If you didn't know Riot reworked Yuumi's ult. It doesn't snare anymore but allies are healed with overheal granting a shield and enemies are damaged and slowed. They managed to make her even more busted according to proplayers.
But one thing you're wrong about is that supports have no other stuff to do in league. High elo players roam to midlane a lot to help with ganks or skirmnishes. Though low elo players generally don't have the required map awareness for such plays.
Do yuumi players roam from level 3 onward? What level do they usually start to roam at?
@@TZAR_POTATO around the 8 minute mark you compare Dota2's support role in a general sense to LoL's supports and say they don't have much to do in the laning phase other than the occasional placing of wards. You're more or less right about that. Especially in strong competetive games roaming supports can get punished effectively, but in high elo soloqueue they are seen more frequently.
3vs1's in midlane happen fairly often, but surely not with Yuumi's as long as her ADC isn't fed / outclassing the enemy botlane.
@@Faude18 What I meant in the statement is that quite often the supports in dota might leave lane by level 2 or 3 if the lane is going ok, for ganks, for jungle manipulation, to help secure runes, and more. Sometimes they come back, and sometimes they rarely leave before level 5. But I'd argue it's a lot calmer in League.
@@TZAR_POTATO i didn't try to argue against that. I wanted to give LoL's supports a little more credit :), but i think you are absolutely right about Dota2's supports having more jobs to do. Especially the competetive LoL meta is heavily focused around ADC's and enchanter supports at the moment, which results in supporters that are almost glued to their ADC's. There's the occasional help at securing scuttle crab and the regular help at securing dragon, but the ADC is helping with the latter as well in most cases.
Great content by the way and thank you for replying. I enjoy learning more about the differences of both games. Especially the tutorial video is incredible and it's disappointing that Riot doesn't try to copy some of Dota2's tutorial implementations.
@@Faude18 Of course! I didn't mean anything by it. Yes, all roles in both games are impactful. League's enchanter meta is really stale though :(
the only ball with the most contested hero in pro scene all of time, IO
Great video! Why the peruvian pipe music tho?
I'm a fan. One day I want to use Bulgarian music but it's way too hype and I can't fit it in with voice
8:18 It depends of the support. If you're an Alistar, Bard or Blitzcrank then you don't really wnana stick to your carry because you suck in lane, Bard especially as he needs to stack his passive.
Other supports like Pyke, while strong in lane, would really rather go fuck the jungler or midlaner than to babysit their useless 1 item Jinx.
Yuumi VS Lifestealer ( radiance build) ahhaha
oh, god. radiance ls + pudge, when infest gave ms bonus and immunity, remember?
well this remind me how ANA ( dota 2 pro core ) destroy the international 2019 with support io playing as poss 1 carry
Symbiote actually helps the host. Parasite may sometimes help but ultimately focuses on personal gain...
1:13 wait, are those Aurelion's balls?!
1:42 IT IS! THEY ARE! WHY DID YOU TAKE HIS BALLS, DOTA 2?!
Dota had the balls for 20 years...
Wanted to remake a comment from someone else on this video. So, not my original idea :
Yuumi : so, where are we going.
IO : "The only things they fear is you" start playing while the alchimist use ult, blood seeker boost the alchimist and they spawn in the ennemy base while destroying the *PROTECTED* ennemy tower by outdamaging the defense.
3:05 i mean, everything and everyone in dota can dash at least 2 screens, so this is just standart really
aaaah Scepter!
as solid snake fan I approve
huh? I mean... thanks!
i want the video on the walls
Meanwhile abathur in hots, the true symbiote 😂
So I've heard.
Being able to cast spells while inside a hero is really cool tbh, I hope icefrog updates Lifestealer ult aghs upgrade like that.
@@jayzenstyleHe is already powerful as he is now... XD you want him to be more broken???
lol that shit cat its op, a channeling spell wich still let you move,ahahahh wtf its that
besides the concept its pretty stupid and wont works in dota since you have a lot of counterhealing/counter spell dmg/lot of cc+silences(just aa and silencer would make this hero useless)
also this hero its stupid to play cuz you just become a pet while io(wisp) still have to position itself well to not be melted dow,have to use its ulti properly or it will be useless and can be countered also by many heroes ingame and ive noticed that LOL its more focused on single fight while dota's teamfights or ganks or smokeganks are the key to win,besides towers/ancient to fall
Dota 2 players will say their game is broken while league have a version of Io that can stay inside a champion untargeteable and invincible for as long as she wants.
If you took Yumi's abilities and cross-referenced them into dota, even buffing her numbers to be in line with dota's numbers, she would be the worst hero in the cast by an extremely large margin.
They just need to rework Yuumi again into something similar to Io just a link
Riot will never rework Yuumi to be like Io, since they hate Dota. Haha😅
@@seafatt Aphro from smite then
For man vs for boi
For those that want to micro even your allies, to those that don't even want to micro themselves.
lifestealer on pos 4 more like a yuumi
I love how alot of things ur talking about have started to change except for the fact that yummi still sucks
I think if LoL create 1 champion with similar kit as doom in dota, yuumi is considered obselete. Doom will ult it everytime he got the chance.
saying that supports has nothing to do in lol is misunderstandment of support.
Supports needs to:
Ward the map
Invade mid/jg
help their carry as much as possible to get golds / help other teamates
If you think about it, supports might have the most work from all other roles
Toplane is: split push / herald controll / hardcore 1v1 / walking teleport
Jungle is: ganks, objective controll, basic map controll
MId is: small split pusher / invader / 1v1 /
adc is: carry lol
"""Ward the map
Invade mid/jg
help their carry as much as possible to get golds / help other teammates"""
Is this... the entire list? Only 3 tasks?
Supports in dota need to:
Ward the map
Invade mid/jg
help their carry as much as possible to get golds / help other teammates
stack camps
pull lane
contest wisdom rune
secure bounty runes
secure healing lotus
capture watchers
coordinate smoke ganks
initiate tormentors
contest power rune
farm dangerous lanes
break enemy smoke ganks up
block jungle spawns
...I was thinking of more but actually that's about it.
It might be that dota's supports have too MUCH to do, but it's the hardest role in the game by a huge margin. The only reason that supports don't get to farm that much in dota, is because they have too many other responsibilities to do.
Io is more similar to Taric than Yuumi
A good IO show skills in the game. While a good yumi is just by design of the game. 😅
in LOL, support take care of vision, ROAMing, initiate a fight, and so on.... half of the work of Dota Supports xdd
I love yuumi ;-; not everything needs to be about flashy kills and crazy damage. It's fine to not like a champ but jesus christ I wish people would get a life and leave me alone when I choose to play her.
I think they don't leave you alone because you never leave THEM alone. But no, instead you spend all your time attached to them like a parasite. Go play yuumi to your heart's content but don't harass your lane partner.
MF! You are a Dota player playing LoL, I must subscribe now...
Thanks for the video. Please have no background music next time and it will be perfect
Eh, i like background music. If there were more comments on it, I would for sure change my mind on it, but hey, you're the first meaning there might be more to follow!
Having no bgm would mean lots of dead moments which would be very awkward for a video
I don't like music but thanks for the content
@@tomtoma3752 You are welcome! Please excuse me, and hope you enjoy the videos despite not liking music.
Do video about invoker in a topic about complexity
But he's not even complex. It would be someone like Oracle, Earth Spirit, or Earth Shaker. Invoker is more about memory or APM, than about complexity.
@@TZAR_POTATO invo is like aphelios
Too much info and mechanics for the first time playing champ, but you'll do your combos automatically later the more games you play
@@nordvirus6671 except invoker has 10 spells at a time, while aphelios only has 2
@@nordvirus6671 Totally agree. Aphelios USED to be imagined as a spellcaster btw, but was too complicated so they made him into a mostly auto attacker with buffs. He IS inspired by invoker... if invoker was nerfed into an ADC
@@TZAR_POTATO literally exort invoker
adc with sass
btw CZcams just notified me about your response lmao
2 months late
i think you might be kinda bad at league, if you think that supports don't roam constantly in higher elo, and also don't understand split pushing lol.
I am bad at league, but this is based on watching pro games. It's extremely common to see the support hovering the ADC nearly the entire match.
@@TZAR_POTATO hovering the adc is very common, up until the first reset. after that (unless the adc is very weak early, like vayne or jinx) i'd say it's a 50/50 split between obtaining vision control and ganking. maybe you could talk to a high elo league player for some of your videos to get a more nuanced contrast? these are interesting videos, but it does feel like analysis of the league part is slightly lacking.
But, I do talk to high elo players, even challenger streamers at times. If you watch pro games, you must agree that there's a LOT of hovering going on. The support MIGHT go to the jungle if the jungler heeds it, or mid for a single gank all game, but then will retreat and go hover again. Especially with supports like lulu, nami, yuumi, and renata glask @@kmb1800
@@kmb1800No matter what you say in roaming/ganking part of supports in LOL, the point is, it's nowhere close to what Dota support has to accomplish. It is very overwhelming in how many things you need to do besides laning.
For yuumi sure I agree with the nothing to do part but you’re just wrong when it comes to every other champ isn’t he support role. There is a lot to do. You either don’t play enough or at a high enough level to see the impact supports have on the entire map throughout a match. Just a dog support if you’re afk in lane the whole lane phase ngl
I based my info in the video on professional plays from recently played tournaments at the time of the video's release. You're just saying that the pros don't know how to play? Really...
Even now, during worlds, not much has changed. All I will see supports do is roam mid, then roam bot...then mid Maaaaybe a second time, and finally stick with another hero (most often the adc) as they go from lane to lane or to neutral creeps together). Rarely is the support invading the jungle, or even farming the jungle. Rarely if ever is the support farming a lane solo. There's just no objectives for the support to do! No runes, no stacking, no pulling, no healing lotuses, bounties, smokes of deceit... the closest they have to an extra objective is placing wards and killing enemy wards.
Supports in League have, comparatively speaking, nothing to do for 90% of the game, that isn't hovering someone else while trading blows.
@@TZAR_POTATO i guess that just comes down to the structure of the game. Plenty to do just not solo content which Is what you’re looking for ig.
@@colonelchan8459 support in dota have remember all time stamp for pulling lane, stacking big camp at xx:54 (or 52), power rune either top or down river at 6:00 10:00 15:00 20:00 so on, cut the tree, first exp rune at 7:00, refill bottle's mid, watch enemies hero movement (and his/her item), smoke gank, smoke break, warding/dewarding, tormentor 20:00, roshan, dust, solo laning if carry goes juggle. So many to do in laning phase (end at 12:00 - 15:00).
Cat > glowing orb.
Simple as. 😊
cat < literal god.
Faker can't use cancer cat as carry to win Worlds, your argument has been countered.