Charmed and Marketable Feminism
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- I love Charmed but on recent rewatches, even I had to admit the nostalgia couldn't prevent the growing discomfort in my stomach at its presentation of feminism and its lead characters.
Spoilers for all of Charmed 1998 - 2006.
No spoilers for other media shown or discussed, including Charmed 2018.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
02:27 Charmed: A Recap
03:58 Feminism in Charmed
06:19 Postfeminism
09:06 The Power of Three (Sisters)
12:08 A Bit of Background
15:00 S5 & Beyond: Attracting Audiences
21:39 Romance, Romance, Romance
29:56 The Feminist Episodes
38:16 The Finale
42:09 So… Conclusion?
Please note: It is through looking back on these popular mediums that we can then look to the future and learn more. The world is very different to 20 years ago.
Sources [Fortunately Not 'Of All Evil']:
Tweets sourced from Twitter.com
Krista Vernoff interview and subsequent reactions: www.glamour.com/story/alyssa-...
Season 5 ratings: archive.ph/2013.08.08-185453/...
Holly Marie Combs quote from 90s Con: www.marieclaire.com/celebrity... - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Another thing I never understood about Charmed is WHY a female centered show about a family of FEMALE powerful witches....had a Mother of the Chosen one/Chosen Baby Boy story. I don't mind Piper having sons, but why did Wyatt have to be the Arthurian chosen-one style prophesied child? What was that about?
I really hated that brad kerns decided to have piper have sons even though it was quite a twist when wyatt was born
i mean by their own logic paige should be just as powerful basically but isn't, don't ask them to make sense (but you can always count on them for iconic sexism)
@@angelaholmes8888 Rather stupid thing to complain about having sons. She had to healthy babies that's all that should matter.
@@the5thdoctor I'm right to complain about it because I hated chris I found him irritating
He was the first born witch they are supposed to be the strongest plus he was half white lighter I never understood how this was not common knowledge for the Charmed audience. Also Page shouldn’t be the all powerful one she is the youngest ( and again their power strength comes by seniority). I seen the Charmed reviews and I feel like they asked the same question. For some reason when they asked it pissed me off mostly because of the lame side jokes and the fact that I felt they only watched to critique and make fun of.
My favorite character was Prue. I was so sad when she died.
The show did her so wrong with that cheesy, cheesy ending. It was like they got the bad guy costumes at a cheap Halloween store.
Love prue shannon was great in the role
Same !
Shannen challenged them to make the show better and drop the formulaic narrative of Enter romantic demon, one witch alone tries to banish and fails, Power of 3 to the rescue.
I watched Charmed for the magic, not for the girls CONSTANTLY looking for love. After a while, it got to be all they talked about.
I think Phoebe should've ended up as a single mother with her daughter. Not sure about Paige...
Yes totally agree about phoebe
Phoebe ending up alone would have been great. I did like Paige and Henry though. She deserved a happy ending and Henry was the best love interest of hers IMO. They kind of reminded me of Prue and Andy a bit.
One thing I didn't like about the show was in moments which I think Brad knew things were wrong, but did them anyway. Like certain lines with Phoebe protesting the idea of wearing the Genie look, at first I thought it was amusing, because it's realistic and gives Phoebe a voice, but at the same time, when you eventually find out behind the scene that for years how much they HATED wearing those outfits and how horrible it made them feel it just makes the line harder to watch in retrospect. When they did renew again (which they originally thought they wouldn't get that last season) they demanded NO costumes, so that's why Billie (more in the beginning of the season) was highly sexualized and wore different costumes instead. I love the show, but some moments are harder to watch than others now, knowing certain BTS moments.
That's why I don't understand why the actresses came out to say they wanted and agreed to those costumes when that writer expressed her disappointment with said costumes, doesn't make sense
Let's look at this logically, ppl. Eilish was costume designer not Brad Kern.
And Alyssa and Holly already confirmed, esp as producers, that they had some control over their outfits. You hardly saw Rose or Holly in some of the revealing outfits Alyssa wore esp the ones she wore to work which would have been considered too risqué in most professional settings.
So no, I think the Genie outfit was actually tame by comparison.
There are so many evidence of the actresses refusing lines (eg when they revolted to Paige and Cole kissing in S5 premier or Piper complaining about her body/weight gain in early S7).
There's nothing feminist about taking agency away from these women and solely blaming _The Man_ for everything
@@TCt83067695 There's a reason why Constance left and Rose actually was in a lot of those revealing outfits, as much as Phoebe was in my opinion. Alyssa just happened to be "eye candy" from day one, as Rose only joined season four mind you. Alyssa's certain comments on how she felt about her wardrobe now doesn't sound like to me she was happy go lucky all the time dressing in a certain way, whether it's her now, or back then.
Yes, they had some power, hence why Holly was dressed the way she was, but also it was explained the reasoning it was okay was due to the fact she was the "mother" out of the sisters. It made sense she wasn't in revealing clothing that much. She had an excuse. They may have had some power (just like any actor), but didn't have all the power. It wasn't all rainbows and sunshine on set either and the cast as made that clear in interviews. If things were all peachy keen and they had absolute and complete control why did they seem to speak up about issues during and now more so, after the shooting of the show?
Also, sorry, but I think it's kind of, oh wait, a massive red flag when the creator of the literal show, Constance, one of the few women involved, felt so out of power and frustrated with the direction of the show that she gave up and left. I don't know about you, but I consider that a big red flag. And I wasn't really blaming "the man" for everything, but I guess if you want to, okay.
And if it wasn't Brad, it was the network who said, "How are we going to get the ladies naked this week?" And I'm going to take a wild guess it was "the man" who said that, or a bunch of dudes, because I seriously doubt there was a female executive that was obsessed with getting the girl's naked every week, so yeah... Thank you and have a nice day! :D
@@Rachel-xu4br so now we want to say Constance leaving because of the direction of the show is the exact same as Alyssa as executive producer agreeing to wear risqué work outfits?
I can't even any more 🤦🏾♂️😅
@@TCt83067695 My original comment wasn't just about Alyssa, that's why I mentioned Constance. I mentioned behind the scenes stuff in general. Yes, she agreed, and more than likely agreed, because it was part of her job. In retrospect, she doesn't seem to talk fondly of it. So she doesn't seem that happy to consent was my point. It's one thing to be proud of your sexuality and have no issues expressing it, it's another to feel exploited.
I'm sure if she bluntly said "I don't want to be eye candy for this show" they would have given the job to someone else. Oh wait, didn't they do that in last season with Billie? Which I'm sure if the actress didn't want to be in those costumes, you know what happens? They find someone else. Did you know that?
By the way, I don't think it was *executive producer Alyssa Milano* who said "how are we going to get the ladies naked this week?" during meetings. Thank you.
"I can't even hehehehe" 😂
Also worth noting that by the end of the show, most of the times they couldn't care less about the well being of innocents. I loved Charmed growing up but nowadays I can't go past season 5 in rewatches. :(
Season 4 is the last great season. Season 5 had a few good moments. 6, 7, and 8 are unwatchable.
I agree with Krista Vernoff and the show was hard to watch at times in later seasons because of the obvious "strip the women for the male gaze and financial profit". And as much as I like Holly Marie Combs and Alyssa Milano, the fact that they agreed to appear in those costumes doesn't change the fact that it was done for male gaze and *not* female impowerment, they both simply had no problem with that.
It’s possible that it could be for the male gaze and be female empowerment. Maybe Alyssa Milano felt sexual power in displaying her huge boobs.
@@gilgamesh310 using women bodies to attract male audiences is anything but empowering to women, regardless if the actress agreed to wear them, the purpose was making the men happy
@@susanmim9222you don't think making men happy on a woman's own terms (rather than that of a male authority figure) is empowering for said woman?
Charmed deffo had highlights when it came to feminism but this video really brings out so many problems with pairing off these women with husband and kids as if it should be the end goal for everyone!
What could be more rewarding than creating a life and raising that life to do good. Marriage and having children is the best thing that could ever happen to men and women. The show never said that all woman should get married at the end.
@@the5thdoctor you say that the series doesn't instruct all women to have kids, yet you say there is nothing more rewarding than marriage and raising someone to do good. So must everyone do good and raise kids who can do good? Thats very challenging for most people and the way they want to do good doesn't gel with raising children e.g. working as a full time nurse can be very challenging while raising young children.
@@the5thdoctor But nothing could be more devastating than creating life that does the opposite. It’s high reward but high risk too. Many (most?) people are not cut out for it and going ahead and ignoring that fact is inviting incredible misery into the lives of themselves, their children and people their child interacts with.
@@the5thdoctor It's not that anything is wrong with some women getting married and having children, but the truth is not all women want to take that path, some women want to have a child but not get married, some wants to get married and not have a child, sme wants to focus on a different life goal and just keep their relationships on the side of that. For a show that is supposed to be feminist and about three women who are far from ordinary women it just seems a bit..... odd. I don't find it realistic even that all of them would take the exact same path.
Excellent essay! I think there's a general consensus within the viewers that there was indeed a tonal shift after season 4, as you allude to here. Whenever Charmed is brought up, I often end up wondering what the show could've been if Constance M. Burge had stayed with the show and if they had had more women behind the scenes and actually had focused more on the sisterhood of the three leads. And if they had better, or at least more consistent writers to begin with. I appreciate you acknowledging that despite the show being remembered fondly by a lot of people and being indeed quite iconic, the writing could be... hit and miss. I still love the premise but ultimately feel like the show fell short in too many ways (especially later) to have a desire to ever rewatch it.
Also, I'm reeeally with you on how disappointing it is to see "marriage and children" be the end goal for every woman ever, no matter if it fits the characters or not. I think season 7 (that was written as a series finale) works much better as an ending since it's more open ended but still focuses on them teaching the next generation to get ready to pick up where they left off, which feels quite fitting. Phoebe and Paige were left single and there wasn't a weird rush to get them married off, since the show wasn't really about that. Or at least, it wasn't supposed to be.
There was also the issue that when the later seasons focused more on romance (and how to get the sisters into sexy outfits), it kind of caused the main characters to look really selfish and unlikable when all they cared about was their romantic pursuits and the whole premise of the show (saving innocents from demons and other bad guys) was treated as a chore. I remember watching this show when I was quite young and Paige was a favorite of mine, probably because in the later seasons she seemed to be the only one allowed to still care about saving people. Sure, she had a lot of casual sex and had - as you said - a couple of long term boyfriends (I really liked her storyline with Richard, where she was allowed to show her compassion and help him move on, ultimately breaking them up) but romance didn't seem like a focus for her. Then again, it wasn't for Phoebe either earlier, until after Cole it consumed the whole character to not an awesome effect, but that's another topic.
Anyway, I'm subscribing and looking forward for more analytical stuff like this!
Maybe season 5 & 6 spiked because they used more known magical storylines like: leprechauns, fairytales, the greek mythology and was packed with action and more appealing episodes (in my opinion). It reminded me a lot of season 2 (which is till now one of my favorites).
Maybe the clothes and the “sexy” aspect played a role, but for me charmed was just about magic and sisterhood ❤
Holly and Alyssa dismissing Krista Vernoff’s sentiment even though Alyssa herself said this in 2021: "We had to be scantily clad in order for that show to be a hit." 🙃
Let's not forget what Rose told us about Alyssa. She a LIE.
She can't be trusted. She flip flops depending on what way the winds of popular opinion blow.
Pay her no mind.
Holly said multiple times in the House of Halliwell podcast that Charmed was not the network’s biggest show at all. They were like the underdog, never the favorite of the WB. It may seem hard to believe because now it’s such a beloved show but they were not the most successful at the time
@@anhphi100which is weird cause they have good ratings until season 4-5
very well done video, i am a huge fan of charmed so this popped up in recommended and i love the way you’ve analysed the back and forth of feminism within the show, keep up the solid work - if you do end up making anything further charmed related i’m keen to watch!
charmed went from wanting to inspire little girls, to wanting to turn on little boys
- Charmed was once a show that championed feminism, but unfortunately, it lost its essence when Constance Burge was removed from the equation. Brad Kern ousted Constance Burge from her own creation, disregarded her vision, and steered the show in a different direction. Constance wanted the show to be about sisterhood and female empowerment, but Brad Kern shifted the focus towards Piper's sons, random love interests, and weird costumes/transformations. As a result, the later seasons of Charmed no longer captured the essence of what made it special.
Picking people for the roles based on how they perform as opposed to their skin color is better. Imagine that. Picture any of the main 4 women not being in the show solely because they're white.
I can't imagine Prue not being played by Shannen, Piper not being played by Holly, or Paige not being played by Rose. Or even Alyssa not playing Phoebe even though she was my least favorite. Back then you had to earn the role based on how well you did in auditions, not your skin color.
It also helps when you cast actors and actresses who actually look alike for characters that are related. I could buy all 4 of them having the same parents. Especially Holly and Rose. And I can buy Finola Hughes as their mom and Jennifer Rhodes as their grandmother. People who are blood related tend to look alike. This isn't a new concept.
And, I don't see how ending up alone is supposed to be more fulfilling. When I was a kid the concept of a woman having kids, a spouse and a successful career was seen as something unattainable. All 3 sisters got that in the end of the show and that's somehow a bad thing? Why is dying alone seen as a good thing to most feminists? And only for women, not men.
And as for Paige, her wanting a normal, happy family is completely reasonable. She was given up for adoption, had her parents die, then when she finds her natural family her parents and one of her sisters is dead too. It's not uncommon to go from fun loving, dating a different guy every week in your 20s to wanting a serious relationship in your 30s or older.
I never saw a problem with the ending. I still don't. there are many people who change their mind on marriage once they meet the person they'd change it for. I was 6yo when I first saw these three sisters - me havinf two sisters as well - on the screen. I grew up watching them and they grew up living their lives. just bc somebody doesn't "need" something, doesn't mean they don't want it. besides, you are also seeing this with rhe eyes of someone in 2023 while this was wrapped up sooo long ago. society has changed. there is no need for your grief just bc someone got married. the show was feminist and getting married doesn't change that.
I noticed in the beginning of the video, how are you spoke on 90 shows being feminist and leading women. When you spoke on how to have a lack of representation. Which is funny because when you reference friends, you didn’t reference to show the show it stole from which was an actual feminist show by people of color. It was called Living Single
Lets talk about it, also why is friends on this list anyway
Is it because friends was such a big thing at the time? Which socks because it had its own problems with diversity song other things.
@@Ashbrash1998 Friends was big but it still took from Queen Latifa show with was also big and I remember one of the creators admitting it. Hell I didn’t even watch one episode of friends for like the first 4 or 5 years. But the plot/basis is really the same. 6 people 2 family members 2 lovable out there or unusual characters a bff to one of the family members and someone who is likable yet can have a bit of a mean streak. both shows were hilarious. But different networks and marketing
@@GameOn71213 Makes me ANGRY, loving single is so good and the dialogue is something friends couldn't even do as good.
Early charmed was way more feminist than late charmed. When phoebe was all about finding a man to give purpose to her existence it became almost unbearable. I love charmed deeply but to me seasons 1-4 are charmed at its best (and thats when it was still being made by a woman, but when Brad became the official showrunner things went downhill fast).
To me the best example of a feminist show was Buffy. That was all about power from start to finish
I loooooove this show. i was happy to see this analysis. Make more. I want a Buffy one too
I watched Charmed as a kid from ages 11-13 because I thought It was cool that they had magic powers and fought demons. Dr.Doom Niptuck is also a son of Australian prime minister aswell lol
Honestly, I liked only the 1st season of the show, then the quality started aggravating, and the creators' desire to prolong the show for the sake of earning money alone became more and more obvious. It is the problem with most tv shows: the 1st season is the best, and then it gets messy, the showrunners never know how to keep things succint and meaningful, and when to stop.
When Shannen left the show it was never the same again. The third season was so good! I'm sorry, but most of that was do to Shannen fighting to making the show better behind the scenes. The fourth season was mixed for me because Prue was dead but it was still a strong Season . After that the show was hit and miss .
Cole was a great character I hated how kerns ruined him in season 5 glad julian left the show to do nip/tuck
Cole was done dirty. I recently tried rewatching and the girls aren't exactly good people. The show just assassinated Cole's character and he had such a good story too. He was the part demon who wasn't evil. It was a shade of gray in morality, someone trying to do good while struggling to not "take the easy path".
loved this video. very insightful!!
I can't say I watched a great deal of this show but i did appreciate their principled stance against bras
THANK YOU! This is the video i always knew i needed but didn't know it existed. I was always always attracted about the bond between the sister and which i did not mind they focus romance so much i did mind they pushed the sisterly bond to the last of the list.
I loved this show when I was younger. Maybe I'll rewatch it
An aspect missed in this analysist, even if it went into production territory is the simple fact it was an TV show from "the business". They work on formula's - it is almost an allegory for magic like on the sow with potions and spells. They had magic in a bottle, but it fizzled out for entertainment magic. Where the women are the assistants to cut in half and to make disappear.
A reason most shows don't have a lot of re-occurring roles, is if this happens too much they become a cast member.
There is the (main) cast, with guest roles and stars, extra's, and a few re-occurring roles. And they get different pay, and have rights to x-amount of screen time, etc. Why a revolving door of lovers is also very attractive in storylines. Take Leo... he became a cast member.
Leo is also very interesting, how was he the himbo?
And on the other hand, I get it... Sleepwalkers he was the lead male actor in.
And he looks a little like Christopher Atkins as the show was still in it's early years.
That must have been his sex-appeal.
Stereotypically its a dark haired man, guess he was also blond because the women were dark haired.
In old Hollywood coding there was this division; red heads = comedians, blonds = bombshells, brunette's = villains/bitches.
Prue was the least liked because that, so she was the most "bitchy"... too strong, and had very leading storylines. This is also in context next to the other sisters.
I liked Prue, and her leaving the show was a great drop in quality of the show and its dynamics.
Phoebe was more "liked" also by female viewers, but also by the male viewers... like her showing more skin also showed.
I guess if Prue was similar they would also have watched her, but Phoebe was the more "likable" one, in the beginning of the show.... before it became the Phoebe show. But she had pretty privilege... Also all the women were pretty/beautiful, but if ranked, it was Phoebe, Prue, Piper... Paige had to take the spot of Phoebe in a way... as Big Bang chick did in the final season.
Also here, the hair color change and so does the characters role - comical relief storyline/acting = Paige is red head. etc.
Phoebe was always lighter brown than Prue...
Prue's beauty was one of the 7 beauty marks; Dark hair (healthy + long) & light/bright eyes,
and at least a C cup - in breast obsessed heteronormative patriarchy zeitgeist. Why do so many women desire a boob-job?
Sex sells, the show has to sell and get the numbers down. That is all the business side cares for... the creative/artist side is about the aspects we love/like (fingers crossed) the storyline/messaging's, the concept, the esthetics, etc.
If not mistaken Shannon Doherty left *0210 over dispute over the shows love triangle, with her role. Also the perceptions of the viewers/fan base...
Fan base/demographic marketing.
I never watched the show but I still enjoyed the video. Keep it up!
The show went off the raiils whe the actors themselves became Executive Producers, and gained control over its course. Not mentioning this is disingenuous.
Correction: It was mentioned briefly, but discarded too easily as the cause.
What you had was three women, who in real life were strong in their own right, pulling the show in different directions and all wanting to be the main character. The fact that the three of them are very, very antagonistic, even hateful towards each other to this very day, should be enlightening.
And I agree with holly and Alyssa, I don’t think any “revealing clothes” were a bad thing at all. It was more of the sexual scenes with love interests were a bit much/out of place.
One of the sisters should have been happy being single. There were some times I thought Prue might be that one but then the show goes "nope she needs a guy." I just wanted someone like me and, while Piper and Prue come close for various reasons, there wasn't anyone in the show like me. Piper, Phoebe, and Paige all end up married and with kids, a real babies ever after. As if their stories had to end with men and children.
Charmed is still my favourite show but even when watching the finale when it originally aired (I was already an adult) I was flabbergasted that their big prize for saving the world every week was husbands and three kids. It was weirdest with Paige because she seriously didn't come across as the marrying type and I even thought the idea of her having kids really didn't fit with the character.
As much as I love the show I am fully aware it has problems and the feminism stuff is only one of them.
I don't get why people say Paige shouldn't have had kids. When Wyatt and Chris were born she was the one that took the most interest in them. Hell Phoebe never even holds Chris during the 2 years (as a baby) that's he's on the show. Just because Paige wasn't obsessed with getting pregnant (like Phoebe in season 7 or 8) doesn't mean she didn't want or shouldn't have kids. And she and Henry were good together. I wish he had come in during season 6 or 7 because both Richard and Kyle just sucked.
For me the show lost something when Prue was killed, that sisterhood bond and the dynamic between the three of them just changed. Of course the show changed in other ways as well, I think it just had a darker and different mood in the earlier seasons and later becaume a bit too fluffy for my taste. The earlier seasons had a perfect balance I think.
The focus on romance is because otherwise, it wouldn't have lasted more than 3 seasons, there's so much you can explore with the focus only on their powers, this was similar to the kid with powers trope except that instead of school they dealt with "adult issues" and back then those were the topics treated as "adult issues", I honestly didn't even remember about the mermaid outfit, I didn't like that episode since it was kind of meh for me but I get where some can feel aggravated, I felt far more uncomfortable about the extra feminist episodes because for me the first seasons were amazing, especially for the focus on the power coming more for the sisters and their bond rather than "girl power". And I'm sorry Prue was my favorite character, she was awesome and I felt a lot for her being also the older child
I agreed with the things you said, even if I liked the mermaid look.... it was my zeitgeist growing up... born 1980, so I was the age demographic at that time. Never the less I agree with the overall take. Also with the public nursing, but if not mistaken this topic was also part of the zeitgeist around the time of the episode. Less internet and social media meant cultural topics were longer in the foreground.
I never thought of Charmed as a feminist show at all. It had (liked every other show at the time) it's cheeky salutes to 90s pop feminism. But that's no maker of any real feminist messaging or intent. I don't think the show was ever specifically feminist at all. It's no Ms America or Handmaid's tale ( it was never going to be and that's ok) . It's 90s pop wicca the vampire diaries and i am cool with that.
This Show Is Pure Gem
yea I didn't really like the ending aswell
I liked the Finale. I thought it was a good ending for the show.
It once was luv, at least for the first 3 seasons.
But when EP Brad the "beast" Kern took over it turned to crap and SATC lite!!!!!!
The network also didn't support Alyssa and Holly despite making them producers.
But Constance Berg the original creator did a decent job. Shannon's fire also added that oomf that kept the show afloat and was the glue that held the original trio together.
The chemistry was undeniable at least on screen.
Behind the scenes was an interesting mess so google it.
I hope they make a behind the scenes movie 🎬 one day, it was JUICY.
But to your point a "post feminist" show. I think not.
Phoebe went on to date a stable of male models even dating some of them in real life.
Piper became a cliche baby making machine.
Phoebe became a listless twit.
Hardly role models.
Lastly, you touched upon "diversity." HORRIBLE.
Darryl was the punching bag and is a biracial actor portraying a black cop.
In the remake the three sisters are "multiracial."
I.E. they are not one race and ambiguous due to market research to appeal to everyone. Hence nullifying the concept of diversity which is to recognise and accurately represent society at large. Both shows failed at it.
Black, Asians, East Indians, Middle Eastern reoccurring characters were in large absent.
S2's oversexualization of the girls is ALWAYS overlooked. Remember when Phoebe and Piper stripped down naked, in its first episode?
Or, Prue in Hellfire's clothes? Don't even get me started on Milano's borderline r*pe scene, in Pardon My Past. But sure, let's pretend S5 started it all (sigh)
Eh disagree on the first one
In actual witch craft practice some do practice skyclad there is nothing sexual about it
@@NeloBladeOfRanni IK there's nothing sexual about the practice itself, but let's not pretend they specifically wrote that in, as a reason to strip down Milano and Combs. You give Kern too much credit for actually being "authentic" to Wiccan practices in S2E1 "Witch Trial". As Kern is responsible for writing this particular episode. I highly doubt, he was doing it "cause of "authenticity".
Somthing I didn’t understand is why Chris and Wyatt where more powerful then Paige despite them both being half witch half white lighter and she is a charmed one
Wyatt was the most powerful because he was the firstborn, and there was that whole sabbath thing he was born on. It's explained in season 5 when he's born. Piper, being the oldest is going to have the most powerful kids, and Wyatt being the oldest of those kids is going to be the most powerful.
I really wished that paige had remained single at the end of the series to me
I would have liked that too. For her to be the aunty type who doesn't have kids but loves her nieces and nephews. I'm demiro ace and I'm not interested in getting married (I was interested once but it didn't go well) and I'd like a happily single woman to not be treated as "an old maid" or broken or heartless. Just someone who doesn't want that and is happy. Paige had the perfect set up to be that but nooooo she had to get married and have children. :/
When you describe Charmed as marketable feminism, I assume that you mean "white feminism".
or "pop feminism"
The early seasons are indeed the best I rewatched the series at times the show was feminist but after season 4 the show took a big nosedive without constance m burge I did like season 7 but yeah the later seasons really aren't good Brad kerns was horrible showrunner for the show
Spike in *male gay viewerships ;)
I liked the original charmed, but I did like the “reboot” better. It had less cheesy plot lines, it knew when to end/didn’t drag on for too many seasons and more realistic. Well, as realistic a show about supernatural things can be. I think a lot of the charmed fans don’t like the reboot because it strays too far from the original. I loved the changes it made. I think if it more of a charmed in an alternate universe instead of a reboot.
I loved this show but it could have had more colour in it. 😊
Brad Kern ruined Charmed. He stole the show from Constance Burge.
Recently started watching the series again been over five years since. The first four seasons are definitely the strongest but I think the highs out way the lows even in the later seasons. When it came to the outfits I think the writers were aware and toned it down in season 7. When it comes to the breast feeding in public the restaurant owner has every right to tell them to leave. Because it was making other people turned off from eating. Yea it is natural but sexual also. So it should be done in private. Sex is natural but that is not allowed in public. I am against Alyssa showing her exposed body breast feeding on social media like that especially when minors will come across something really graphic which it is. A real shame they rebooted it but no one should be surprised as everything gets rebooted nowadays. The charmed reboot is so woke you could tell even in the first episode when the sisters go to a party and start lecturing men about the r world. That is so sexist you are judging these men based of that they are men instead of getting to know them. Much rather have seen a sequel series 25th anniversary. But at least we have the series on blu ray now. Cole is my favourite character he was so cool and the actor was amazing so it is a shame what the writers did. But I think the writers didn't plan out the story with Cole and phoebe or maybe they did. Phoebe in the later seasons comes across as an unlikeable bi*ch. For blaming Cole for everything he did as the source. When it was out of his control and he only became the source to save them. Im not sure if it was the writers intention to make Phoebe into a unlikeable bi*ch. Who isn't taking any of the blame or responsibility. Which is why I was glad in season six when she got put on trial. The way they just treat him like he is nothing is really horrible to watch. When he is just trying to be good and make up for the mistakes he made. But maybe Phoebe was right about him after all. She was wrong to blame him but she just wanted to move on from him. But he continued to haras them and try to kill them. And went on to kill even more people like the reporter that was going to exposes them. When all he was doing was going for the elevator and cole killed him in cold blood. There relationship was just so toxic. At least we got to see him return in season 7 for some kind of closure.
It doesn't kill minors to see an udder. It's just disgusting.
->breast feeding is not a sexual act. It is essential for the baby`s survival. It is not a mothers problem what is going on in your head when u see a breast. Can't believe I have to say that in 2023
@@contextsensitive6 But really graphic and should be done in private not shown on social media or in public.
@@the5thdoctor that is your opinion, not everyone's. Are u aware that saunas & nudist places exist? Noone there even bets an eye about a breast. The human body should not be shamed, it is just normal. And so is breastfeeding. Noone should be shamed because of it.
@@contextsensitive6 Yes saunas exist for adults who both consent. And nudist people exist. I wouldn't want my kids exposed to them. Closed off saunas nudist places are completely different to showing of graphic images on social media. That are not age blocked. And showing half your tit in public with a baby sucking on it.
I guess the three women should have been dressed like nuns
charmed wasn't feminist, it was just sexist in a very odd way, where it was sexist to both men and women, but men on another level lmao
actually i take that back, their sexism ranking was the following:
1- alyssa milano
2- men
3- women
I never watched it but it looks pretty decent for a 90s/2000s show.
I don't get why you get so weird over diversity and all the woke nonsense people reject nowadays. Back then people weren't so fixated on race / skin colour and gender stereotypes.
Nowadays a boy who lines pink gets told he is a girl. Looking at Jazz Jennings...
Why are you even on this video mam? Nobody wants your negative presence here.
Lackbof diversity...
It's about the stories, the adventures, the values, the characters.
Not about peoples skin.
Does that change the fact that there were little to no people of color? And if they even were used it was a special mythology based episode. Even “The Craft” had Rochelle. There were no Witches of color in this series at all. Still love the show though and it’s one of my favorites.
Hm...a show abt witches, maybe bringing in dif cultures would've been fun to see but ok
@@BozeDoesGodsWork I don't see why that automatically makes shows offensive apparently, just because the main and supporting characters are white. Same with shows like Friends and Buffy The Vampire Slayer being criticized for the same reason. The problem isn't that these shows centre around white characters. But that there weren't enough shows for other groups of people.
@@BozeDoesGodsWorkand the show also completely misrepresents the wiccan religion but funny how you never see you people complaining about that