Find Out What Gives Marantz's AV10 Processor and AMP10 Amplifier a Unique Signature Sound!
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- čas přidán 21. 02. 2023
- Marantz recently launched its all-new flagship AV10 and AMP10 separates, a formidable home theater combo capable of driving a 16-channel home theater experience. We stopped by the HQ of Masimo Consumer to learn more about these two pieces of gear, and spent time with industry veteran Gary Dayton, Senior Product Marketing Manager at Marantz, who discussed how Marantz achieves its signature sound.
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Just replaced my Marantz 5012 with the new Marantz Cinema 50. Since my media room has an HVAC intrusion that does not permit height speakers I knew I would be reliant on the “speaker virtualization” feature and hoped it would work. I am pleased to say it does in my particular use case. Speaker virtualization doesn’t get much attention in reviews but it definitely does open up the sound stage - significantly! A real treat for the ears, I must say. (Congrats to the engineers! How often does that happen?) All the other features that suit my use case also work. So impressed with how the engineers made everything adjustable once Audyessey calibration is finished although I have not needed to adjust much of anything afterwards, so far. Here is a high-five to Marantz! 🍾👍👏👏👏👏👏👋👋
The engineers and team at Marantz are definitely proud of this new gaggle of products... as they should be!
@@av_nirvana Now if sony and its new x-series of projectors would step-up to the plate and hit home-runs like Massimo / Marantz - out of the box, I would be a most happy camper. Meanwhile, I continue to wait to see what Sony does this year. I see you bought JVC - NZ-8! Congrats but I’m holding out for Sony to get it totally right. Hope I don’t have to wait too much longer.😂🥳
What is your speaker layout 5.1?
@@truwarrior22 It is 7.1 but Marantz has an audio enhancement for rooms that do not work for overhead atmos. It works to significantly improve the sound overall.
FYI: It is the new Marantz Cinema 50 that has this sound enhancement. Not overhead atmos for sure, but the movement is more refined and “sometimes” seems like atmos. Overall though, the sound is much fuller to my ear and the word “WOW” is something I heard myself say when I heard it for the first time. The engineers really did a good job on this new line of receivers, to my mind at least.
Loved seeing all the components with the explanations as I've been really curious about the design of these higher end models.
Thanks so much for watching and taking a moment to comment!!
Looks tempting. Perhaps allot of Storm functions, too a lower price. But what is most important with expensive processors, is future proofing. HDMI, Dirac, new functions etc....Do Marantz have a roadmap?
How sad. I'm sitting here in awe and drooling over gear I cannot never own.
BTW, Excellent video presentation of the "guts" in these Marantz products.
Save and be patient… one day, might be possible! Thanks for watching, welder!!!👍
@@av_nirvana Mr. Anderson, I'm happy for you to be so optimistic about life. But, In my 57 years of life I've learned that no matter how hard anyone works and attempts to "get ahead" it is not possible for the vast majority of people. It is obvious to me that only a select few people are allowed to be so-called successful. But, thanks for the encouragement. Please have a great day and I wish you all best of everything.
i was surprised that marantz works with ice power as a partner. i mean that is nice to see because i own anither 2 channel icepower amp and think it is a masterpiece. those are high end modules with high class sound.
Great video very interested in this pre pro which DAC is used in the AV10 is is a sabre dac?
Informative, thank you. Looking to change out my Denon 4700H with a Marantz pre/pro ... holding off a bit as I wonder if Marantz will be refreshing that line as well given the release of the Cinema series? AV10 and AMP10 would be a dream system, just a little too much for me, so looking a the 7706 and wondering if Marantz is refreshing that line soon. Thanks again, great video.
You don't have to buy matching power amplifiers if there are other brands better no problems using them
Tough to say if Marantz has those plans… nothing public yet, but we’ll see what happens. If is going to happen this year, an announcement will happen mid/august through September time frame
@3:56 rolled off highs. That’s exactly what the Marantz DAC is doing as shown by Audio Science Review between Marantz DAC setting 1 for the Marantz sound and Marantz DAC setting 2 for benchtesting.
Can you give me the name of a song or media track that will clearly differentiate the difference between DAC 1 and DAC 2 filters on the Marantz AV10?
What’s the difference in sound quality with the new Av10 processor and the older 8802 pre/ pro. I understand that it has more channels and rated at higher watts per channel but as to its warmth is there a difference.
Marantz keeps on stating 200w per channel they really need to clarify that’s 200w for 5 channels and rest of the channels is 70% power guarantee by marantz why do that that’s still 140w on remaining channels that’s still really good for a single amp
Maybe something technoish?
all channels driven or 2 channels driven??
Hi Gary, greetings from engulfaudio
Todd you said we could ask questions about Marantz so here goes. I currently use a Marantz AV8805A and recently changed speakers to Goldenear Triton One.R. They have built in subs and I guess they are confusing Audyssey which cannot correctly run room correction with them. I am running the XLR LFE sub outs to my front Triton's and also running the Unbalanced LFE sub outs to two subs in rear of room. The other difference I get with the Triton Ones is I can now get Auro 3D as a surround option which I could not get with my old speakers in play. The Marantz AV10 has four independant sub outputs so would that help Audyssey play nice with my Triton One's and my two rear sub's while still allowing me to get Auro 3D as a surround option? Thank you
Hey Musicman… this sounds like something best discussed on our forum. Could you start a thread, here: www.avnirvana.com/forums/av-receivers-processors-amps.22/
That way we can discuss more in-depth. Easy to login with Facebook (just as easy to register). Thanks!
@@av_nirvana Thank you for the invite. Posted as requested. FYI due to a CZcams video by Ripewave Audio I found out why I started to get Auro 3D as a surround option. Marantz released an update March 23rd 2023 that allowed Auro 3D to work with ceiling height speakers which previously required wall mounted height speakers in order to access Auro 3D. I had ceiling height speakers so Auro 3D was not available for me until this new Marantz update. I had automatic updates selected in my Marantz Processor so the update happened automatically while in standby mode and I never knew the update happened. After viewing the Ripewave video I have turned off automatic updates so I will now get a notification when Marantz firmware updates are available. It was just a coincidence that I changed my speakers at the time of this new update and not being aware of the update I assumed it was related to my change in floor speakers. Now my only concern is related to the Audyssey issue.
What was that noise at 08:45? Is that a lawnmower? I can hear it at 09:41 too.
Ah... I knew someone was going to pick up on this. :-/. It was a motorcycle, I believe, that someone started revving outside of the building. That conference room we were in resides right next to the main parking lot for Masimo Consumer's HQ. We were so deep into our talk, that I decided to ignore it - the Rhode mic being used was set to filter out noise. It actually did a decent job. Because that motor cycle was 10X louder in person! Thanks for watching, @MellowMoodsII!
I've never owned, or listened to any piece of Marantz equipment. Oddly enough I am considering the AV10 for my home theater/listening room. Would someone out there be willing to try and describe just how warm the Marantz sound is?
You can't describe a 7k or 14k piece(s) of kit. Go to your local dealer and listen. Maybe you'll like it, maybe you'll like another one better.
As far as the av10, it has a very interesting price point compared to more expensive (McIntosh) and cheaper (Arcam) options.
I've heard it recently and though I liked what it did and what it looked like, I wasnt impressed by the clarity of the speakers used (kriks/krks built-in).
If you haven't bought them yet I suggest the same as Saco did, make the effort to see/hear them in person and with a few different speakers. I sure you will be greatly impressed with the Marantz products. The very few Marantz products I've had the pleasure of listening to was a beautiful - pleasurable experience. Natural, smooth and dynamic.
@@welderfixer I've had the pleasure of listening to a 9.4.4 Bowers 700s3's and 4 DB3Ds setup on the AV10 & AMP10. This was a Dirac live test with Beta software on the AV10. It's one of my favourite things I listened to this year. It already sounded great without Dirac or Audessey. Then it was somewhat boring with Dirac but so much more controlled. Pretty good stuff, though I do really enjoy Marantz products so I'm not neutral in that sense.
@@SarcoZQ I'm glad the you had the chance to listen to such a fine set-up. I have had very few experiences of listening to truly great gear. The latest was a McIntosh system fed pair of Klipsch Jubilees. Wow - just wow!
Wish you all the very best, Kevin
Its expensive for me but I waiting the new cinema 20, 2025 MARANTZ used high quality parts
Shane Lee's review seems to suggest at the "Marantz sound" isn't necessary a good thing.
You need to experience and choose for yourself, especially when it comes to audio/video products.
@@av_nirvana I've never been a fan of Marantz, in my opinion they more or less just take a Denon and mess with it's sound signature to make it sound more "warm" then charge a huge premium. It's too bad that they won't let Denon make separates.
@@Edward135i That's actually not how it works. They are two separate business entities with different teams behind them. They do share some common parts, like HDMI boards and the HEOS board, and internal processes, like the basic bones of the menu system. But that's smart business because it allows for economy of scale. Also, they can use the size of the parent organization to attract access to new technologies (or so they claim). There are specific differences, tho, and the two organization have channels of communication to make sure they aren't replicating each other.
Yes, they appear to be one in the same... and there's much speculation that one is simply rebadged. But, the reality is that's not the case.
AV10 is a bit pricey ... a cheaper version AV20 for 3-4k would be great!
Digital technology implemented in top-of-the-line, in flagships AV processors (of different mass producers like the ones of the top 3 in the world - Denon, Marantz, Yamaha) has to be like flagships top-of-the-line smartphone producers (Huawei, Xiaomi, Samsung, Apple, Honor). Because in digital tech, what is flagship component today, will become obsolete in just a year or two... This is why in 2023, I don't want to buy old, obsolete technology at an unjustified cost! Only the newest and best-performing components has to be used and I don't see this in AV10 or in the Denon AVR A1H... In regarding only to the audio side of the Marantz AV10... My level of expectations at 7000 USD (or even more) is that I need one AV unit to sound like a flagship stereo, on ALL channels... BTW... Be honest... who is using 15 channels configuration in a living room? Or kilometers of wires for zone 2 or zone 3 connections in which the end result is to play same music, instead of separate very good quality audio components in those rooms? We are not talking about hearing the same music in corridors or on an elevator of a hotel, because who really wants this? Sabre DAC ES 9018 used inside AV10? Why not at least ESS 9039Pro or AKM4191EQ? Or a dedicated very low noise stereo DAC in dual differential mode per each channel? As a top-of-the-line product in 2023, it should have! And where is HDCD decoding? Audiophile CD format is not dead, SACD is not dead, Dolby Digital is not dead... Even vinyl is not dead, and in 2023 we still not having a decent phono preamplifier for both MM and MC cartridges in a top-of-the-line AV processor... In the audiophile community, we are still spinning HDCD CDs, SACD discs, DVD Audio discs - and for HDCD, we need that decoder. Also...we are in 2023, right? ...where is streaming and decoding native DSD1024 audio files? I want to see ultra-low noise separate power supplies inside of a top of the line AV processor... This is the level of quality that I expect from a Marantz or Denon AV processor flagship, in 2023. RCA connectors are made from gold-plated brass? This is NOT desirable, because of brass low conductivity. It should be made at least from silver or gold-plated OFC copper (again... I'm modest...I'm not mentioning pure silver-made connectors...). I want to see OCC pure copper or OCC pure silver wires used in inside cabling! Talking further...what OP-AMP are used inside? No info here... Also, no info regarding SINAD with EQ in flat mode at max output volume. I want an upscaler even from DVD definition, to 4k and 8k resolution! Also, who is really using HEOS?? Especially in this high-end area... McIntosh is having same marketing policy... No detailed info in regarding inside components used, and no tech info regarding very important audio performance in their top-of-the-line AV processor... Only high prices! With all due respect for these companies, this is not acceptable.
What pre amp would you recommend over the amp 10 in the same price range? Are there any you would say are worth the money?
@@Pheasant227 This is not my point... And I'm not talking about Amp 10...
I meant AV 10 as I referred to the pre amp, I understand you wanting better DACs. I was wondering what “top of the line” pre amps are worth the money.
I prefer Dac filter 2. Really don't like filter 1. I believe filter 1 is Marantz sound and filter 2 is without. Not sure, but I really don't like the warmth on filter 1. Sounds good with music but male dialogue is much better with filter 2
Hdam increases distortion
@Billy Bobby yea. Well I am happy they've added a clean filter for "benchmarking" or for those who don't care for the marantz sound.
@@Cblan1224 hdam is hardware
@@billybobby7607 I'm aware
No matter what what you say about this amplifier and it's processor is it still out of my pocket way too dear for what it is UNAFORDABLE
Lots of gobbledegook. And yes some marantz have rolled off highs
I think it sounds more natural, I also like lively and unnatural though lol