PORSCHE 992 GT3 Vs 991.2 GT3 Touring - Which Wins OLD or NEW? With
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- PORSCHE 992 GT3 Vs 991.2 GT3 Touring - Which Wins OLD or NEW? With @Roger Bailey | TheCarGuys.tv
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This week’s - at last! - we get our hands on a Porsche 911 992 GT3 - a piece of precision equipment from the GT department at Porsche, and reportedly one of the greatest sports cars ever made.
Thanks to fellow CZcamsr Roger Bailey, it is time to pit the new GT3 against TheCarGuys’ 991.2 previous generation GT3 Touring on some classic Welsh driving roads.
There will be Beans! There will be noise! And there will also be a detailed look at these two cars driven hard, the interior, exterior, the allocation process, the quirky features, and there will also be a verdict.
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If your serious about selling your 993 I’m in the market and knowing how you prep your cars I would probably be a buyer Damien
It's odd that you said the 992 gt3 doesn't move around in undulations on the road like the touring, because on Harry's Garage, he said that the new gt3 was way to twitchy on bad B roads compared to older models.
What are your thoughts on his comments?
@@daveyboy6985 That’s not how I found it, but we were on different roads, as I was in Wales and Harry presumably was in the Cotswolds.
@@TheCarGuysTV thanks for your reply, great listening to your take on the car👍
As a 991 Touring owner I couldn´t agree more!!! It still makes me smile everytime I drive it!!!
A completely brilliant video Damian it captures our day out perfectly, your commentary demonstrates real insight, thanks for the memories and for mentioning my channel, here’s to next time :-) - Roger
Cheers, Roger - glad you enjoyed it. What a truly magnificent day
Great video, you guys should reprise this double act.
Please can you send me the link of the gt allocations to get one of those. 😊.
Excellent video!
The fun factor, the engagement, the feeling of needing to guide a sports car thru challenging curves is what gives the experience richness. That then connects you to the personality of the car, in fact it defines it. I have 22K miles on my manual winged 991.2 GT3 and it is a joy to drive at sane speeds on tight twisty roads (mountains of North Carolina and Tennessee). I was offered a 992 GT3 Touring allocation at $30K over MSRP and I said, “no thank you.”
“Competent” is just a euphemism for being unruffled at higher and higher speeds; that means less personality, less need for strict attention and engagement, and less of a dramatic experience. As cars become more “competent” they become more boring at the speeds you need to maintain safely on roads traversed by other people going about their lives with their children. Streets are not race tracks. The public is ever becoming less tolerant of speed, noise, and hooligan behavior on the public roads-understandably.
We’re seeing an end of a motoring era evolve around us.
I’ll stick with my 991.2, just as I will stick with my Speciale over a Pista of any new 296GTB Versione Speciale.
Thanks Damian.
(BTW Damian...I hope you get a chance to drive and review the new Corvette C8. I just bought one and it is phenomenal. NA 6.2L pushrod V8 that makes that distinctive American roar, no start/stop, incredible chassis-steering-brakes with more than ample power.)
Thanks for your awesome comments 👍🏻
You are 100% correct, I found the 992 GT3 to be benign, almost refined (in terms of the way it drives) and yet quite fidgety/trammy on certain types of road. I also didn't like the interior at all and it didn't offer anything over and above my 991.2 GT3 RS. In the end I decided to keep my 991.2 GT3 RS, dropped my allocation for the 992 GT3 RS and picked up a 296 GTB (non AF) to add a different flavour to my garage. I also agree with your take on the 458 Speciale, I didn't like the 488 at all in any guise - largely because of the engine.
Your really putting on a professional show here Damian. One of my favourite channels just gets better, nice one.
Thank you, Simon. Much appreciated.
great video! one cannot help but appreciate the humour present throughout the video! cheers!
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Great to see these, thanks guys 👍
this is one of the best videos you have made, two of my dream cars and two of the best presenters on youtube in my opinion, it would be good if Damian and Roger and Jason did future reviews together
Thanks, Gary
love this channel...keep up the good work
Love the vid, well done Damien 💪🏼
Great editing, banter to the camera, stop-start 🤣 the lot - as is my tonic, more Porsche content please………but I am enjoying Drive Every Ferrari too 👌
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Well that was awesome Damian and Roger. Thanks for sharing. Both those cars are amazing to me!
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Brilliant content and quality as always, loved format! 991 Touring still for me thanks 👍
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Great content, really enjoyed it! Would you also pls compare your touring vs 997.2 gt3 ?
Thank you Damian and Roger .. great cars and amazing content
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Another great video, thanks for sharing. They are both incredible cars. 😀😀😀
Glad you enjoyed it
Glad to see you do this video with Roger, you both have excellent content for petrol heads.
Thanks , Mark
The video we have all been waiting for!! Touring 991.2 is a legend.
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Great review and the 992 GT3 is a fabulous car! Love it 😊
Once again brilliant content, Thank you for making it 👍👍👍🍻🍻🍻
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks Damen really enjoyed that. You need to try the manual 992 Touring. Happy to help.
Awesome video! thank you for taking the time to share
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You both looked like you were having a blast, great vid.
We did 👍🏻👍🏻
Great comparison Damien. Well done. Nice rapport with Roger too.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video Damian ! Well done ! 991.2 Touring is a real keeper !
Couldn't agree more!
Good on you "I can say whatever I want " Great video Ta.
This I waited a long time for. :-) I will keep it for evening at the big screen.
Epic… great video Damian 👍
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Very enjoyable video guys 👍
Great review! I wonder how much a 992 gt3 touring in manual will differ from your car. That would be a good video if you can get your hands on one
Thank you for the enjoyable review!
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One of your best vids, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Damien, the S/T single mass flywheel and clutch work in the 992 Touring … a few in Rennlist have done it and comments are game changer … the shorter ratio gear box is possible as well changing the ring and pinion with S/T OEM parts … compelling
Very interesting
@@TheCarGuysTVI think the shorter ratio S/T r&p OEM parts work in our 991.2 Touring as same trans … about 9% shorter … S/T single mass flywheel might be same issue as 911R … harmonic vibrations crankshaft damage main bearings
Great vid!. Touring for me too, I would love one in classic guards red, 😄.
Ashgood had one in red recently I believe
The 0 to 60 I'm sure has been recorded in the very low 3 sec in one of these.
Ps...I thoroughly enjoy your reviews Damien, you are such a natural entertaining reviewer, Jason too!🙂
You’re very kind
wow Damien you seem to be loving this (those 'worrrrs' reminded me of Tiff when he first tested the Maca F1 and Harry when he tested the one 77) the sound of the 992 is perfection; a cup car on the road Roger is a lucky fella.
He sure is
Brilliant and honest video Damian, would you consider a second hand one if prices levelled off to near list?
I might.
Great video and I love your channel! I have a 991 Touring with 25,000 miles. I hope to put 200k. I just upgraded my steel discs for the Surface Transforms carbon discs. I highly recommend it. Cherry on top for the car!
what size ST’s match the 991.2 Touring ? any feedback as considering for my Touring thanks
Great vid - one of your best to date, IMO. Love Porsche cars, but their marketing/allocation dept. sucks and can go and do one. Init. :)
Great video! The 991.2 touring with the slick manual is one of the best all around drivers cars. Porsche is sandbagging the numbers on the 992. I have a feeling we are not getting the whole story. Lastly, I have no idea who the hell is gonna properly drive the 992 RS 🤣
Some rich basssst
Great comparasion
Great to hear an objective view Damian. What is it with porsche and condensation?! By the way...love my 992 Targa4S.
this is the best Vîd the Car Guys have ever made
Excellent production well done Damien
Glad you enjoyed it
Just love your darn videos.
Shows that whatever 911 you are driving, as long as its in good condition, enjoy it thoroughly, because you are just lucky enough to be behind the wheel of the most iconic Porsche of all time ! And be it it 991 or 992, I’d opt for the Touring any time, with the manual box.
991= last analog dash it’s a keeper.
The 992 design is fantastic though, a perfect blend of physical switchgear and tech. Retaining a proper analogue centre tach is a masterstroke
I was waiting for someone to make a comparison between these 2 cars.
Alcantara, alcantara, alcantara… :-) and looking warn in the 0900 position of steering wheel…hmmm. Great video!
Good ep
Great review Damian. The only ‘problem’ with the 991.2 Touring, is that there are only something like 48 RHD cars in the U.K. - so future buyers for a used Touring will likely have more of a chance to get the 992 Touring.
I’ve heard that too - can it be true?
@@TheCarGuysTV don’t know - that’s what people say.
I thought 46, now 45 as Chris Harris wrote one off
only 34 991.2 Touring build in Canada … rare
Just magic - more beans and welly please 🤣🤣🤣
Agreed. The previous 991.2grn in my mind is better looking and will become the classic. Reminds me of the M3s where the e46M3 is still considers the modern benchmark in terms of design/proportions over its replacements.
Great cars, great watch!.
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Brilliant video, agree with most of your points , but as a owner of 992 GT3 (manual) , I would not go back to 991.2
Thank you , superior video
Completely agree on swan neck wings
Damian may like Porsche , but his heart lies in Marenello. The Rosso Mugello dials in his gt3 are a dead give away . 👏
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Awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it
great combo
991.2 touring is the thinking man’s GT3. Classy 😎
I agree
Loved this comparison, well done Damien 👏 both beautiful motors but the touring gets my vote 👌...if only I could afford one 🤦♂️
Good choice!
Great video, bit surprised that you felt new 992 was less twitchy on the road compared to the 991.2 as a lot of the other car reviews (eg harry metcalfes) suggesting otherwise. The 991.2 touring is my favourite car, just looks and sounds awesome. Bit biased as I own a 991.2 gts (probably the closest I’ll get to a touring unfortunately)
I don’t watch other vids on cars I’m reviewing, so I have no idea what’s been said. But 992 is super planted.
@@TheCarGuysTV its very road dependant, it can tram and pull which is exacerbated by the quicker rack ratios.
I enjoyed that. I like both cars, but I’m not into big spoilers
Would you guys review the 981 Cayman GTS with the 718 GTS 4.0?
I prefer your car Damian ,mostly for the reasons YOU like it so much.
I dont like the digital gauges,the excess of "intrusionist" tech , the fake manual lever and lack of a manual(in the model you tested).
A thing that you maybe didn't get from your driving BUT Harry Metcalfe showed in his review is how horrible is to drive the 992 GT3 in anything that is not smooth asphalt,the combination of wider track,huge tires and the wishbones in the front makes the car "rails in" into the imperfections on the road,and if you ever had a fast car that does that ,i had it,its detestable after a few months driving everyday, serious NO! NO! business in my book.
Porsche content!!! Ferrari won’t be happy 😂. Great content, really enjoyed that and local roads to me too.
Glad you enjoyed it
Touring I prefer because it’s understated and unless you know what it is just looks like a c4s or 911 and I love that if U know u know !!!
991.2 GT3 touring is my favourite 911 (unless you include the GT1). I'm not a fan of black on black though.
Video on your other channel for the 5271P?? Haha
Great video
May I ask is that a Patek Chronograph ?
It’s the Patek grand complication, ref 5271P
Thank you, Damian, thank you, Roger, thank you, Wales. What a happy half hour!
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Superb video! I watched it to confirm my prejudices, which it did. I got a 991.2 Targa after seeing Roger's vid and would not swap it for the 992. The new one sounds much worse (PPF?) Doesn't the GT3 have one? BTW at 25:30 your watch miraculously changed, good editing but no cigar!
Good spot - I did the Touring interior the following day as we were losing light
I thought I’d be the only person to spot that. Now Damien what were you wearing on both days?
Porsche always seem to knock it out of the park but for me the new 992 GT3 Touring is the car to buy in this category? Great content as always ?
More fun, that’s why I still own a 996 GT3!
Both fantastic cars in there own right. In my opinion the 991 is the last proper 911. The new 992 is to clinical and more and more heading in the Audi way.
Roger you are top too!
Beautiful cars 🚘🚙🚗👍👍👍👍👍👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I agree with you, the 991 GT3 is more playful because it moves under you and with a Manual it engages you like no other car. The 992 GT3 front end is the highlight honestly but that’s about it for me. I don’t like the interior or the size of the 992 and if I want to add a 992 to my garage it would be the 992.2 GT3RS with the 4.2 flat 6 NA making 550HP at 9250 RPM. That is the one i will be buying.
I agree
Huge fan. It’s interesting your comments about the older car having more character than the new one. I’m 60, had 911’s forever (since switched to Ferrari), and just about every new 911 review I can remember nearly always stated the prior one had more character. Going by this logic means we need the very first one! I believe out of Jerry Seinfelds incredible Porsche collection his favourite is a 1973 911 Tangerine RS and his ultimate Porsche is not even a 911 but a 356 convertible which he describes as “sports car perfection” 🤔
Exactly.
The spec of Roger's car is mint👍👍👍 I prefer the look of your 991.2 Touring. Just not keen on the spec.
Damian you are such a brilliant communicator
Steady on
Well done Damian on the comparison, and a BIG thanks to Roger too. For others, please do check out Rogers CZcams channel, he is a brilliant car reviewer and the best at narration...he takes you on a journey with him. As for the cars. Well some things I agree with you and some not, but that is why Porsche have different models to suit all in the market place. Mine is manual with steel brakes (better feel and cheaper, and lets face it, I am not ever going to be able to drive this like a pro, but I have FUN on and off the track!).
My Summary.
The 992 GT3 is the BEST GT3 ever, without doubt! Driven them all, this is an engineering masterpiece!
Is the GT3 the best Porsche ever??? Not sure yet but for driver engagement, I still love my analog 993 turbo the most, but the 992GT3 is a very close second.
AIMO. Thanks guys, well done. Both of your Spyders in Wales next??
Cheers, dude
Lets face it, they are both mega cars that anyone would be more than happy with. Love the Shark Blue on the 992 GT3, but the touring is probably more suited to the type of driving I do. I stil think the 992 Turbo S would be the one I would have given the chance. Subscribed to Rogers channel as requested.
Cheers, Matty - you're a legend
Am I the only one who finds Roger a bit.. creepy in his delivery? Give him a set of Dracula teeth and a black cape and it would complete the ensemble for me 🧛♂️ Only joking! 😄. 991.2 GT3 touring every day of the week! It’s just that bit more analogue. Awesome review guys!!
A head2head between the 488 and GT3 would be very interesting for your target audience ;)
992 is really NOT a thing of beauty though...way TOO big. 992 screen is TOO busy & confusing & Stop / Start has NO PLACE in such a high performance car! Roger has no choice but to be so positive otherwise he will be ex-communicated by Porsche Chester! (i.e. he is not really impartial) so I agree with almost everything you said Damian. No doubting the technical prowess of the new car but maybe a bit too slick, a bit too 'Audi' in places. Great Vid! Thanks also to Roger for loaning his nice motor! Well done guys! 👍🏻
That white/green gt3 RS is🔥🔥🔥🔥
I know
Sheep scare spoiler. The car. The video. Thanks Damian. Nice day in the north
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I love how you have roger disagreeing with you on the video to show a balanced view
Exactly
Damian, Roger & Jason why don't you three work together you will be at least as good as clarkson, hammond & may, might this ever happen ?
It is of course a possibility.
I subscribed when I heard pound-foot..... “N-m or lb-ft” for torque and “kW or hp”. Because SAE says so! 😊
The 991.2 GT3 Touring is my dream car. What is that blue engine light at 26:19 point?
Engine not up to temp
This is becoming a wonderful routine - feet up with a cuppa on a Sunday afternoon, watching your latest vid. Fantastic!
My pleasure
very good analyse, the 992 is a non sens for road ,not so polyvalent ....and a non sens for track ....to heavy ;)))
i agree the 991 will be the best collectible ....but i prefer it with the PDK ...
The 991.2 Touring, 991.2 GT3 RS and 982 GT4 RS are peak Porsche, the 992 series hasn't done it for me. Go and have a look at the second hand market in the UK, already there are 85 992 GT3/Touring cars dumped on the market. Thats a staggering number.
Awesome video! Will the car guys get a 992 GT3 rs?
Nope - no chance of an allocation
UK must be tough/a lot of politics... Close friend of mine who just bought 2 cars at his dealership got an allocation in The Netherlands. Once he has his car I'll invite you guys over for a drive :)
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How about a Drive Every Porsche series ?
5:12, terrible PPF job 🤣
Great video! I have a 992 GT3 allocation, going to make it a “fake touring”, manual with wing delete 😅I’d be curious see if your opinion if the cars had the same gear box. I have a 991 50th in manual and that car is outstanding so I can understand your love of the previous Gen.
Agree 991.1 is better looking .2 is not as cohesive and from the reviews is also a better car to drive often
This is the review we have been waiting for! Should we aspire to the 991.2 or 992? I think you have confirmed that the 991.2 Touring is still pretty special - although lacking the back seats, I cannot consider it as a daily. I would also be interested in how you think things compare to Ferrari’s NA offering (the 458 Speciale or Aperta). I have a Speciale and a Litchfield tune 991.2 C4S. I watch a lot about the 992 GT3, but I guess I am looking for the confirmation to stick with what I have!
for you yes 4S … definitely not GT3