HYBRID: TOYOTA Sienna or the Chrysler Pacifica?!
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2023
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General Opinion:
Both vehicles have their own merits. Some people may prefer the feel and handling of one over the other.
The Sienna may feel a bit more top-heavy and has a noticeable body roll, whereas the Chrysler seems more centered with a lower center of gravity.
Family Usage:
Both vehicles are suitable for family usage.
The practicality of the Sienna as a family vehicle, but they prefer how an SUV, especially the Pacifica, drives when hauling around kids.
Suspension & Drive:
The Sienna feels more top-heavy and has a more pronounced body roll.
The Chrysler has a more centered feel, possibly due to a lower center of gravity. This difference was especially noticeable around corners.
Hybrid System:
Sienna uses a constantly recharging hybrid system. It operates on the battery whenever possible.
Chrysler Pacifica is a plug-in hybrid, requiring it to be plugged in to charge. This can take 8-12 hours on a standard 110 outlet.
Cost & Efficiency:
With the desired features, the Sienna comes out to be about $1400 more expensive.
For the reviewer, the Pacifica's plug-in hybrid system proved to be more cost-efficient in terms of fuel. For a week of use, it cost them less than $4 in fuel.
The Sienna might offer better fuel economy for longer trips, but the Pacifica suits those making short frequent trips.
We review the difference between the 2023 Toyota Sienna vs the 2023 Chrysler Pacifica. Is it better?
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Wanted a Sienna. Couldn’t actually get one because there was a severe shortage. Bought a Pacifica plug-in hybrid instead. Have never once regretted that decision. Owned it for a year so far. It gets driven about 20 miles a day in the city (more on some weekends). Have filled up the tank about 5 times total. Love Toyotas (my other car is a Prius), but the Pacifica is really great and fun to drive.
That’s awesome! It’s great to hear when things didn’t go as expected but it worked out for the better anyhow.
We have a 2023 pacifica Hybrid Pinnacle which is top trim, it is absolutely gorgeous, we drove almost 12 k with most of it on fully electric( almost 10k on electric), so comfy and roomy, lots of features and so quite to drive.
Has it increased your home electricity bill a lot to charge the pacifica?
I live in Ontario, Canada, and I schedule my car to charge between 3 AM and 5 AM when electricity rates are the lowest in my town. My car has a 16 kWh battery, which costs less than $1 to fully charge.
I have a 20 year old grand caravan and have been lusting after the pacifica for about 7 years now. I NEED a minivan because I"m transporting a wheelchair, and plug in makes sense because I don't actually drive very far very often, except a couple times a year when we're going on the road, so I'd be 99% electric except those road trips. My current car's battery dies on the regular because I just don't drive it enough, but when I need the car, I *need* the car. We're hoping to buy a used pacifica hybrid next year some time.
Sounds like it would be the perfect fit for you!
You are missing the critical details on Pacifica hybrid.
1)It has more space at front dashboard and deep drawers.
2)The reason Pacifica plug in hybrid does not offer bench 2nd row coz of bigger battery underneath.
3) because of bigger battery pack it has lower center of gravity. And 500 pounds heavier than the gas version.
4)32 miles pure ev range. I live in hilly area ,with regenerative braking it adds 7 ev miles.
5) plug in your Pacifica is optional. You can drive in hybrid mode all the time. Plugging is an advantage not downside.
6) you are biased towards toyota😊. I am driving both vehicles and can say Pacifica hybrid has upscale interior and better driving experience and its saves money if you are doing short trips , pure ev mode.
Understand that!
The enhanced space at the front dashboard and the inclusion of deep drawers certainly adds to its convenience and ergonomics.
The design choice to exclude a bench 2nd row in favor of accommodating a larger battery does make sense. It's always a balance between seating arrangements and performance factors.
The lower center of gravity due to the bigger battery pack not only adds stability but also contributes to its weight. It's interesting to note it's 500 pounds heavier than the gas version.
A 32-mile pure EV range is commendable, especially in a hilly area. The added benefit of regenerative braking, which provides an additional 7 EV miles, is a great feature for such terrains.
The flexibility to choose between plugging in or driving in hybrid mode offers users the best of both worlds. It's great to hear that plugging in is an added advantage rather than a necessity.
I apologize if I came across as biased towards Toyota. It's valuable to hear from someone who has firsthand experience with both vehicles. Your perspective on the Pacifica hybrid's upscale interior, better driving experience, and cost savings on short trips in pure EV mode provides a more rounded view.
Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge!
If sienna release a prime, that will be a great contender against pacifica. I rented a plug in e-hybrid pacifica and i am loving it. I save gas by just plugging it in ang giving me 35 mi ev range. However, the elephant on the room for pacifica is reliability and depreciation.
The full EV range is what makes the Pacifica the choice for me. It’s using the 3.6 Pentastar V6 which seems to be an okay motor. The depreciation can’t be ignored as they don’t hold their value like Toyotas do. Time will tell though
@@MOHAWKAUTO i agree. However, based on my experience with 3.6 pentastar engine- not quite well. I had endless problems with rocker arms, engine leaks and premature wear of engine bearing
Depreciation is not a concern for me, since when I bought mine in 2020, it was $10k+ off MSRP + tax credit. Can a used Sienna be $20k more than a used Pacifica?
How can you compare a Toyota with a Chrysler?? This doesn’t make any sense at all and just ask a mechanic about it
I saw a real review of this Chrysler minivan, the whole electric, transmission and gasoline engine are so complicated in design and for this whole thing to attempt to make all those computer systems to work in sync, it's just going to be almost Impossible, si it's just a matter of few months before they start dropping like flies because they are going to be nothing but headaches. Also the difference in the price and depreciation is abysmal in any Chrysler product. I owned two Chrysler minivans before and I got tired of replacing transmissions and repairing everything. Sold them and purchased a Honda Odyssey and until today, Never had any issues, my current mileage is 148k and continues to run like a clock. Good luck when purchasing a Chrysler product
The battery to replace on the Chrysler costs over $20k. The Sienna costs $5k. Good luck to you when the Chrysler breaks down.
From what I’ve found, the cost is closer to 12k for the Chrysler and about 7k for the Toyota. Something to keep in mind, all Siennas are hybrids, meaning they’re producing far more batteries than Chrysler… for now. So economies of scale is what is making them cheaper. It will be interesting to see how the prices change over time.
for toyota it’s cheaper will be go repair the battery compared to Chrysler cause all toyota cell are interchangeable ( nickel metal hydrogen) type of battery
The warranty on the battery for the Pacifica depends on the status of your state and if it participates in TZEV.
That being said, it’s either 8 years 100,000 miles or 10 years 150,000 miles. Replacing the battery is of no concern during that time if you’re shopping new.
@@rivcogent yes but it is for resale which makes it worthless anyway you cut it.
Ummm, the Pacifica Battery is over 15 kmh, the Sienna is under 2...so, math
You don’t have to get the 25th anniversary edition (which is a limited edition) to get the black wheels. They’re on the XSE FWD. You get softex on the sienna on XLE and above… also this is an unfair test since the Toyota has yet to release a sienna prime. Do this once the sienna prime comes out.
I believe it was a very fair test. I mentioned the 25th as it contained the most similar features standard compared to the Pacifica. Keep in mind that this was the entry level Pacifica.
An interesting video. No mention about quality and MPG. I owned 4 Chrysler Minivans from 1988 to 2023. My last one, I kept 19 years. The last two were T&C. On a good day, the 6 cyl got 20 MPG. Over time, there were many minor problems, the last of which, the plastic gear that moved the drivers seat to and fro broke. Chrysler manufacture discontinued parts and fortunately I found a guy that made gears. W/O instructions and two days of labor, I was able to fix. This is when Chrysler was owned by Cerberus. The previous one was owned by Mercedes and except for the stow and go, it was clear quality suffered when Cerberus took over. I can only imagine what long term quality will be like with FIAT as the parent.
Full disclosure, I now have a 2023 Platinum Sienna, fully loaded, that gets about 42 MPG. Watch the car care nut channel, he has a MUCH MORE technical comparison of the two vehicles. This video is very soft and subjective. I didn't buy the Honda because of MPG and their V6 uses a rubber timing belt. I would never buy a Korean car, given their poor engine reliability, and obviously I didn't go near the Chrysler. I feel the complexity of the Chrysler PHEV is way over designed given the payback. Again, watch the car care nut and needless to say Scotty Kilmer would never buy a Chrysler, watch his channel. The only thing I miss is the middle seat stow and go's from my Chrysler. I do not miss all the small things that failed, the plastic gear, the fact that the steering wheel in/out was locked in place, the DVD broke just after warranty, and the motor that operated the rear hatch, forget about it. That part was MD'd maybe 5 years after I bought the car. Impossible to buy a replacement motor from Chrysler and there was no 3rd party. I had to buy a used one on eBay. And let's not forget all the step/motors, solenoids that broke on the windows up/down and door locks. Fortunately there were 3rd party parts available.
Of course my 2023 Sienna is not perfect, but I am banking on Toyotas quality and the ability to get parts and when I was young FIAT stood for Fix It Again Tony. Nuff said.
P.S. - I have no problems with the ride quality of the Sienna, and in sports mode, it has enough power to get on the highway.
Oh, and I have Honda SUVs and IMHO, the Sienna is the best sliding door SUV out there :)
I respect Scotty Kilmer, great guy from what I can tell. He is also very strongly opinionated and refuses to even give some manufacturers a second thought. The great thing about opinions, is they can give you another lens to view something so that you can form your own opinion. I never designed or thought of this channel as a complete technical guide to take a deep dive into a vehicle. That’s not my goal. I’m attempting to provide a bit of contrast and comparison without data dumping and information overload leading to analysis paralysis.
@@MOHAWKAUTO I agree Scotty is opinionated but it is based on his repairing cars. Look at the car care nuts comparison of the cars. And I always thought a can with sliding doors was more comfortable and safer than a suv. The Pacifica suv from years ago was a dog and I feel the sienna is more practical say compared to the grand highlander. Demming (look him up) taught Toyota, Chrysler, Ford, and GM ignored him.
I meant Edwards Deming quality guru.
Everybody seems to think electricity is free. You have to add the cost of electricity used to your $4 of gas.
You’re right, electricity isn’t free and I didn’t mean to imply that it wasn’t. However, I also didn’t have to plug it in everyday, nor did I notice a discernible difference in my electric bill. If I had the vehicle longer than a week, or a way to accurately monitor how much electricity it took to charge the vehicle, I would have included that in the cost.
Thanks but should have installed the 8th seat for viewers to get a sense. I am interested in these precisely for mass transport of as many people as possible for family trips. So the 8th seat matters to me. Thanks again.
That’s a great suggestion, thank you.
He comments on the piano black in the sienna is gross on the few sparse areas where it’s used but doesn’t mention how the Pacifica is literally covered in it.
I also comment on my dislike of the overuse of piano black on most of my videos regardless of model or manufacturer.
I was debating on which car to get , I had 2 Chrysler town and country and 2 dodge caravans they all had problems with transmission, esthetically the Pacifica looks better but Mecaniqualy way too complicated after guaranty is over there comes the problems I use my vans for taxi so I opted finally for the sienna let’s hope I made a good choice , it’s mostly for the fuel economy and no hassle of plugging the car
I think you made a good choice and that the Sienna is still a great choice.
Few fact that need to be considered. The Pacifica is eligible for 7,500 credit (that is instant at dealership starting Jan '24) while the Toyota is not eligible. The Pacifica 2nd row seats can be removed while Sienna can not. Reliability in 2023 Pacifica improved so its really a coin toss to which is better. If you you want your minivan to act as flat bed truck when you are not transporting your kids...then Pacifica is big winner and Sienna made monumental mistake in not making their 2nd round seats removable.
Good points!
What points to the 2023 Pacifica having improved reliability?
upon further research I found insufficient data on long term reliability for Pacifica (thus their longer warranty) and we are going with Honda Odyssey instead.@@eWok313
Except for the big battery with battery cooler, the transmission is identical to - and licensed from - Toyota. Mechanically it's a planetary gear with two motors - not much to go wrong except for the inverter. So the main reliability issue is the 3.6 L engine. Vs a 2.4 L 4 cyl.
How much did it cost in electricity to keep the Pacifica charged? What is the cost difference between the electricity you spent and the gas you would've spent if it wasn't a plug in? I assume the electricity would be less but unless you figure this out you really don't know. Electricity is not free.
I don’t recall how much more it was, but it wasn’t a noticeable amount
......IF you can find a Sienna, and IF the dealer hasn't marked it up 10k already.
I've been in the market for one for at least 6 months, and trying to get one even close to MSRP is nay impossible
Wrong!!. LOL I just found one, no markup. MSRP. You just need to find one and am willing to drive a few hours.
@@alphaomega750 Niiiiice, congrats. I guess it probably depends on where you are. I've been looking within 200 miles of the bay area and there's not really been anything.
I will go with sienna in terms of reliability and fuel economy, even in terms of value sienna will hold a value over the years…
The Sienna did end up in the shop for a week in its first 10k miles….
@@MOHAWKAUTO if one sienna died it’s doesn’t mean all sienna cars are bad
@@andreylosetskiy5217 I wasn’t implying that, simply an interesting occurrence.
Go with MOOAR for quality. Any day of week.
Dude speeds through a school zone for the sake of a CZcams video while discussing safety, braking.. classic.
Dude doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about but makes a comment CZcams to assert how right he is… classic. First off, I wasn’t speeding as that’s only a 20 when the lights are flashing during certain times of the day. Second off, if you’re going to use an ellipsis, it’s three dots and not two. Last, but not least, way to have a keen eye as no one ever noticed it or at least they never said anything.
Own a 2021 chrysler hybrid absolutely perfect my last tankful i went 1025 miles on 13 gallons about 79 mpg. Thats hard to beat now i do do alot of local driving so most of my driving was under 32 miles. So if lime me you do alot of local driving would definitely recommend pacifica hybrid
Wow, that's impressive mileage! 79 mpg is definitely hard to beat. It sounds like the 2021 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid is a fantastic choice for local driving. Thanks for sharing your experience. It's great to know that there are efficient hybrid options out there that can truly maximize fuel efficiency for short commutes. Thanks for the comment!
Can you stay all electric mode when going on the freeway or will the engine kick in ??
Yes it stays electric unless you hit the gas really hard but if you get on more or less with average speed will stay electric. But even if the gas turns on will revert back to electric when you start coasting on highway.
I’d rather forfeit the big battery on phev, put in a smaller batt for the regular hybrid and keep the stow-n-go option
The Chrysler has a lower centre of gravity because of the bigger PHEV battery
That could very well be a contributing factor
@@MOHAWKAUTO you are spot on about Seinna having sway. It has been a problem in the seinna since its design. 2014 I tried I bought a new minivan. I tried to get my wife to go with the Seinnafir the 4wd. She couldn’t do it because after she drove the seinna she felt the car felt loose in the road . When I drive it I had to admit it felt like I was driving a 90s ford ranger . Ended up in a brand new 2014 Honda odyessedy. Now researching to upgrade after 10 years
@@roberthansen9687 Honda Odysseys are great and I feel that other manufacturers are making great minivans too.
If you can’t stand up in it, it is a suv or a station wagon.
I can barely stand up in a school bus lol
Not even a comparison lol. Toyota all the way. Fight me.
Mini van owners are very passionate about their vehicles and brand loyalty.
Chrysler pacifica just looks better and feels more solid.. mechanically and electrical.. risky because Chrysler is new to hybrid technology compared to Toyota.
Chrysler does it better, Kilmer is having an ulcer about now.
You have to be out of your mind to chose Chrysler Pacifica over Toyota Sienna
Maybe. The Sienna isn’t bad, I just prefer how the Chrysler handles, and the plug in option would fit my needs better on how I’d use it.
@@MOHAWKAUTO most people who buy these keep them 10+ yrs , not 1 week. I know you're a MOPAR fan boy based on your ownership but I bet you the Sienna will be less in the shop and less issues GUARANTEED!
@@alphaomega750 we all have our preferences on auto maker, but keep in mind. I’m saying both are good, but if I HAD to choose a minivan (I’m not a minivan fan), based on the utility I could get out of either, the Pacifica offers the most value for me and my family’s needs and use. I made no mention of reliability or cost of repairs. I don’t know if you saw the other comments or not, but the Sienna had to go into the shop for a major repair and was out of service for a little over a week. It wasn’t recall related and it was something that made the Sienna completely unsafe to drive, with only about 14k miles on it. That may not be an indication of how the life of the van will be, but that’s not a great thing to have happen so early. From what I know, the Pacifica has only needed oil changes.
Sienna not having a plug-in option is a big factor for a lot of folks. No charge at home convenience for the majority of driving means it just stays a gas car. Pacifica joins the ranks of fan favorites like Volt.
Like there is no comparison. One is a Toyota and the other is the one that will break after 50k miles
IMO I'd go with sienna just because the toyota brand comes with peace of mind when it comes to reliability. I've found dodge and chrsylers to be the least reliable even in domestic brands . Now if the pacifica was all electric then I'd consider its since i wont have to worry about motor or transmission going out.Also , the sienna just looks cooler
I think the Pacifica looks better personally. Interestingly, one of those vans is in the shop because it’s unsafe to drive until it’s repaired. Hint: it’s not the one you can plug in…
@@MOHAWKAUTO interesting , was it a recall or user error ? . Care to expand
Edit : Re looks , I guess beauty is in the eye of beholder. I feel that the Pacifica feels boxy and dated like you'd expect a generic minivan to look like . It feels like the people that were designing it made peace with the fact that mini-vans are not supposed to look sexy & gave up , didn't even try a little bit. hahaha
@@victorsalamaka7311 I feel like the Sienna is too boxy! Lol.
It wasn’t a recall, it was a complete part failure and it has just over 14k miles. I will expand at some point, but I’ve been told this isn’t the first one to have this failure and it seems to be a more common occurrence. I’ll know more soon and will share.
If you are keeping it for a several years, the Toyota van is the most reliable one.
Agree!
Stay away from Chrysler and Tesla cars.
What makes you say that?
@MOHAWKAUTO reliability of course.