Did Cristiano Ronaldo deserve to win the Ballon d’or? | Danny Murphy & Leon Osman | The Debate
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Danny Murphy and Leon Osman discuss whether Cristiano Ronaldo was a deserved winner of the Ballon d'or and how long it may be until a British player wins the award.
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5 goals against Bayern in quarter final, 3 against a Madrid in semi and 2 in the final. All against 3 of the best defence in Europe. How is that not dragging your team into a trophy.
Bollocks. CR7 won his first ballon dor when playing in the premier league.
yup....it's interesting how they conveniently for got to mention that..
Tariq Amazin After that he got to score more and more because of silly La Liga.
That was before Messi came along tho really
Lets not forget ronaldo played as a wide midfielder and scored alot in the toughest league around his time at Manchester United
before Messi came along? Messi got 2nd, you halfwit.
The rest of the other Spanish teams are like Championship teams? In the 21st century 7 Spanish teams have reached European Cup finals, whilst only 5 English teams have done so, yet they somehow think that anyone beyond the big three in Spain are rubbish. Less money in Spain, but better teams and coaching styles across the league.
Appeal to Europe. Just because Atleti/Barca/RM/Sevilla have had quality over the years doesn't imply that latter teams of Leganes etc replicate similar quality. Quite the opposite.
Truth is their management in the bottom 12 is a shambles, most players are B team farmers with little experience of top football.
Suraj's Opinion is Better leganes play better fotball then any bottom pl teams haha
Matt Cuignet let's be honest bottom half of la liga is trash
Because midtable clubs swapping between Pardew/Allardyce/Pulis, playing physical or defensive football is great management
Exactly, some people forgetting where top table premier league managers such as Pochettino learnt his trade in a poor Spanish team.In spain you rarely see Spanish teams sit back and hoof the ball as it's not in their DNA, that's why you see higher scoring games. On the other hand, this style of playing has brought their international and club success. Wonder who I'd want to be in this case
La Liga is always seen as inferior but Sevilla Atletico Madrid Barca Villarreal and R Madrid all have European pedigree in last decade compared to Chelsea United maybe Liverpool. Put some respek on the league ffs
Obv would add Arsenal but they keep bumping into Barca or Bayern so...
Suraj's Opinion is Better you're literally just sucking off the English teams.
BatmanTheThird I think he's just stating his opinion and he has good points, oh no, by your logic does this mean I'm sucking him off? Grow up ffs
dude United have been in 3 CL finals the last 9 years. Liverpool is true. this years is the first time in almost 10 years that liverpool has advanced from group stages.
In the last 10 years Utd won the CL and EL and so did Chelsea
"Messi was born a genius and Ronaldo became one"..good one Danny. That's why I do respect Ronaldo more, because there are other players with much better technical football abilities, yet they can only dream of achieving what he has.
Ronaldo is the perfect role model for youngsters coming through. His career is the perfect example of how hard work, dedication and professionalism can take a talent to be a world beater. Ronaldo is the most complete football player of the last 10-12 years. Guess who was the last Premier League player to win the balon dor? :)
La liga sides are like playing championship hahahahaha, the things these "pundits" come out with are a joke. La liga sides are tactically and technically much more better that 90% of epl sides other than city.
Suraj's Opinion is Better the first year epl sides do well in la liga you say it's better 😂😂😂, la liga sides have dominated ucl and European competitions for over 5 years now, but first time an EPL side do well you bring that up as an argument? How deluded can someone get
Leandro Femi,
Nope, I've always argued PL is better regardless of European stature. Now that PL is better in European regards, La Liga tards are exposing their own agendas by dismissing PL European superiority. We're better across 20 teams, we have better management, better attraction as well.
Matt Van Emden Girona are better than west ham, Everton, Brighton and Swansea
Suraj's Opinion is Better lol yes la liga does show better tactics, look at pep. He comes to city, and hes already won the league before christmas. Pl is a joke
Leandro Femi that's because we can't rest players for the European FA cup,the PL is by far the best trophy in the world and therefor English teams are reluctant to rest players in league games for European games.Ffs palace would get into your top ten.
the most BTEC team of pundits to ever exist
Danny Murphy is one of the best pundits on TV
"BTEC" hahahaha, brilliant
Duckulor not that funny you wet fart
BTEC?
What the fuck is Leon Osman talking about in regard to flicks and nice stuff???? "If you work as hard as ur supposed to for the team then u lose flair going forward"? So if u work hard as a british player in a premier league team then that means a lack of flair in your game so ur unable to win the Ballon dor... Wat the fuck... Spanish teams work hard too Leon. That's why they've won the last 4 champions leagues.
Yes. And those Spanish clubs actually have a lot of Spanish players on the team and starters, as compared to British clubs that buy talent from outside. I don't think there is a single club I can name in the EPL out of the top 5 that has at least 3 British players as regular starters.
These clowns still have the nerve to look down on la Liga.
i could win the ballondor and loads of trophies if i played in a easy league like la liga
Considering Tottenham finished above Real Madrid in their champions league group I think everyone should be looking down at La Liga right now
La liga is easy
Drivermontana Shut up bruv. If you’re doubting everything Messi and Ronaldo have done, you’re an idiot.
lol rolls eyes*
Leon when did Cristiano last score an unassisted goal? Do these guys watch anything aside from the Premier Leage?
Jay Murthy well yeah cause it’s the best league in the world no one gives two shits about the bundesliga cause Bayern always win it PSG always win the French league and it always either Barca or the Madrid team that win the Spanish league in the prem there are at least 6side that could win it
Last game o enlightened one
UEFA Champions League All time - Most Assists
32 Cristiano Ronaldo
30 Ryan Giggs
25 Lionel Messi
Well first of all to be the greatest league is subjective. What makes a league the greatest? Does the Premier League have the better parity amongst teams than the other 4? Yes. Is the quality of the premier league teams the best? I wouldnt say so. MLS has even more parity than the Premier League and so does England's Championship as well but I wouldnt call them the greatest. But the debate isnt about which league is the best. If they dont watch La Liga and watch Messi or Cristiano week in and week out they shouldnt give an opinion on who is the deserved best player....
yesterday against dortmund outside the area u mong
Jay Murthy two days ago, idiot. Hahaha
If Balon D'or goes to the best player in the world...then no.
Secondly, British players arent winning it because they arent good enough. Messi is the absolute team player and the best individually and Cristiano stopped doing all those flare moves so it has nothing to do with that. If this guy didnt watch Messi in the last 12 months i dont think he should give his opinion on who should win the Balon D'or....
Jay Murthy,
The Ballon D'Or wouldn't be a real award if it just means going to the best player. You're so dumb.
Hazard deserves it on this basis, anyway.
Suraj's Opinion is Better good joke
it is based on ur goals and the goals which won the team trophies and even assists
(how important a player was for success)
Jay Murthy Penaldo is so arrogant let's go back to 2011.
In 2011, when he won the Golden Shoe as Europe's top scorer, while Messi won the Ballon d'Or, Ronaldo took importance away from the prize supposedly given to the best footballer in the calendar year.
"The Ballon d'Or is votes, but the Golden Shoe is goals, it doesn't depend on anyone's votes," Ronaldo said as he received the award alongside Florention Perez and Alfredo Di Stefano.
We all know what he said this year after winning the same D'or which he criticized coz Messi was winning back to back in that time lol.
This guy don't know a scorer can't be a best player maybe he don't watch Gerd Muller otherwise he would've known he is nothing infront of Gerd lol.
He is not even best in Real Madrid.
Btw i thought D'or is an individual award but lately turns out a team award lol what a disgrace.
Absolute god mate Messi all the way 👊
Ronaldo probably deserved it. Just. But I can't agree that he is an par with Messi. Between 2009 and 2013 Messi was just unbelievable. He did things we'll never see again. So many times he had people with their hands on their heads, in shock with what they had just seen. Ronaldo was my favourite player during his time at United. But Messi is the greatest player in history.
Kieran *2009-2012
Finally, someone with an actual brain👏👌👍
Before 2009 ronaldo did things no one else could in the premier league.
You play shit but win trophy, you're the best. Play world class but don't win anything, you aren't the best. That's what these awards are all about
Messi was world class vs PSG/Juventus, no doubt.
You're self deluded. Goals still merit a good performance from STs.
Totally agree, the best player should win the best player award, not based on trophies, the Trophies ARE the team awards for best team.
Wagwan Pifting Wots Ur BBM pin? Ronaldo won those trophies
He scored twice in the champions.league and scored the goal to win la liga
Apologies, didn't catch on the sarcasm. Thought you were being literal
MashiatCOD99 good one but he won it so deal with it
The problem with the ballon d’or is that it will give future generations a false idea that Ronaldo was as good or even better than Messi. And English players don’t win it because they’re just not good enough right now. Michael Owen won it in the past but I don’t think anyone will get close to the trophy if Messi Ronaldo and neymar are playing
Jack Amir agreed
shadowfax Ronaldo is not as good as messi, your deluded if you think otherwise
Messi is a big game bottler.
Jack Amir
You barca fans have already started worrying about the opinions of future generations on Ronaldo being the better player than Messi. That just goes to show that Cristiano is better. Your insecurity is cancer.
Renaldo is better than Messi in every term.
"Ronaldo definitely deserved it.....haven't watched Messi much in the last 12 months" lol then what are you doing on the show dude?? And it's not about English players. If Tottenham won the league and Champions League, we might have an English ballon dor winner. That's how it works. Really weird IMO since it's supposed to be an award for best individual not best team. Teams already get awards for winning.
Most of
The voters prolly don’t follow their respective games , and vote based on where their team are on the news
Stephen Putnick unless there are Messi and Ronaldo there is no one who has a chance to it
If you are a big part of a win,The yes,you can have it
you are wrong mate... Ribery won the league and champions league in 2013 but they still gave it to Ronaldo because he won no single trophy that year. baseless logic
I hate to say this but this competition is down to favouritism from captains and coaches who choose between Ronaldo and Messi only. for example... Gareth Southgate has not even chose Messi in his 3 selection which is a joke... I feel sorry for England who have him as a national coach. he truly knows nothing about football.. the same with other coaches and captains who have their own choices even if they wrong.
Stephen Putnick yeah thats so crazy😡
Poor excuse from osman. There currently are no British players good enough. Simple as
Are there any Spanish players who are good enough?
Kanfachan Asensio in the near future
Mbappé and Neymar are the future. Not the same level as Messi and CR7 though (and no, not Spanish).
let's face it, a British player can't possibly win the ballon d'or because he isn't good enough . his childhood ,although dedicated to football , didn't include the endless warm, sunny evenings in a poor neighbourhood where he had nothing better to do than develop the muscle memory needed to become a FIFA player of the year ...it's that simple .
Messi in 2017:
Most goals
Most assists
Most dribbles
Most chances created
Most through balls
Most MAGIC
I don´t care about 4 goals against ossasuna or whatever you sore in la liga because what brings as all together in Europe is champions league.
the yeldo23,
Evidence for each claim mate.
it depends on when each player did it. cr7 simply showed up more in the big games, thats what makes the difference.
most magic can only win copa del rey
fake facts neymar has more dribbles than messi
ronaldo has played less games than messi
"Ronaldo can make a goal out of nothing"... the hell, almost every goal he scores starts with a great pass from Modric, Kroos, Isco or Marcelo, then Ronaldo stands there in the box. So don't tell me that Ronaldo scores alone and singelhandely!
So true! These guys are deluded af! 😂
Jay Kumar yes :)
I think he meant Messi can make a goal out of nothing
Super Copa El Clasico, Recent Real Madrid match. Cut in, shot from outside the box. Watch the games or atleast the highlights...
fym logic dude Messi did that a lot of times last season
Lazaros Maroulis the ballon dor is a individual award Ronaldo won it because he won the champions league and was taken off in the euros early on and started crying. Then was seen acting like the manger on the side lines. Ronaldo has won the award because of the media. The ballon dor is voted by the manager of every football team in the world do you really think that they get home and look at all the stats thoroughly before voting no they stick on sky sports and look at the head lines.( “Ronaldo taken off early seen crying he’s so passionate”). Since last November Messi is the only player that has scored for Argentina but yet again that goes unrecognized. From October to mid December Ronaldo went on a 5 game streak of having a 7.5 rating or less, Messi haven’t had less than a 8.3 since last June.Ronaldo has the fake tan the cool hair the six pack he is a media darling. Watch Lionel Messi for 90mins then watch Cristiano Ronaldo it doesn’t take genius to figure out who is more consistent and who is one over the greatest players of all time to of grased the beautiful game, football .
Everyone knows this. Really. CR7 fans are trolls.
(1) Cr7 is only good at finishing, and he doesn't even score the most goals, with the best club in the world. Messi, the playmaker, who plays as CAM, outscores entire Europe, even with players like Gomes, Denis, Deulofeu, who don't deserve Madrid's bench. Compare them with Asensio, who is benched at RM lol. Ask Ronaldo to win UCL with Denis, Gomes, Deulofeu instead of Kroos, Modric, Isco, Marcelo.
(2) Cr7 is great only at NUTMEGGING HIMSELF, heading, penalties, diving to get penalties/free kicks, modeling, social media craze, and waiting in the box for tapping-in. That's all.
messi played 160 games(3 seasons) less than roanldo ... messi - most assists in last 20 years.. best goal ratio in last 20 year ... messi is still young and far better
Amritpal Kaur Grewal Ronaldo is still better then him
Hence the part where they said Messi was born a genius and Ronaldo became one. Just my thoughts on that.
@@noahlance5485 messi as much as messi genius level though
I think these awards are based more on team success as a pose to individual performances. In my opinion I think it's deserved (kind of) as he won the CL and La Liga whereas Messi did not win anything last season. However, for me Messi is the better player, especially this season as Ronaldo looks to have dropped off massively. Either way, they're both phenomenal player deserving of the award.
The award is not based on their current form, it's based on last season's performance which which ended last May. And I think he is a worthy winner. You have your own opinion.
Ken Adelaja no its one calander year January to December.
EVEN WHEN CR7 WAS COMPLETE IS NOT AS GOOD AS MESSI
I want to add during the season wer Barca won the treble Ronaldo scored more goals than Messi in both la liga and champions league but he didn’t win the balon dor
Leon says the difference between Ronaldo and Kane is that Ronaldo makes his own goals but Kane needs the team around him. Very stupid, clueless pundit I have nothing else to say. GGMU⚽️
He's not wrong.
He is though.. LOL!....
When did Penaldo last make his own goal :)? 2008 :)? hehe
How bout Supercopa 2017? But you´ll say it was all Marcelo because he passed him the ball at the halfway line....
Kane cant lace Ronaldos boots
@@pmaigotthat7211 he can
The most talented British players always lack drive- Best, Gascoigne, LeTissier, Ravel Morrison, Michael Johnson. Those had better natural talent than some Balon D'Or winners at young ages, but they never had the personality and will to fulfill their potential.
Best never fulfilled his potential okay?
+Matt Van Emden. Whilst he is a deluded United fanboy you are an equally deluded Liverpool fanboy.
lanite85 gerrard ain't better than lampard maybe if the 3 lions badge was a Liverpool one he might of done alright with England best English player what ever man
+sahr bockarie. I totally agree with you. I was calling the other guy deluded for claiming Gerrard is the best English player of all time. Also, you can't really use what an English player has done for their country when comparing who is the best English player ever, no English player has done anything for their country in a looooooooooong time.
TheAidyc no prem league, can't be best English player if all time with our winning your domestic title. The best ever English player is Bobby Charlton. He won everything and the ballon d'or. After that it's Paul Scholes if the last generation.
Hazard = poor mans Ronaldo hazard is not in the same league has Ronaldo
ryan goodwin lol
leave him alone bro everyone knows that right now if you watch both of them hazard is currently the better player
Lee Maina I don't understand, they are all better( from Neymar to Hazard and messing in between) players, how is possible that a guy who comes from so poor lazy south european country, goes the last years(decade) with the prices? perhaps maybe in the end he is simply the G.O.A.T.
Hazard got the talent but not the drive he even says if he's not the best he'll b alright shame just needs an extra 5% to stress neymar
sahr bockarie He’s not in the same class as Neymar. Neymar does it for club and internationally. He’s the 3rd best player in the world. Hazard isn’t even the best player in the PL.
One thing I don't get is how Kane is below Mbappe and Lewandoski when he scored the second most goals in 2017
You cant look at the players what they achieve with their teams for fucks sake ..if ronaldo played at crystal palace last year he would be goten my balls instead of golden ball..we gota look at players individual capabilities and that is where ronaldo is lightyears behind messi
Messi couldn't do a lot of what Ronaldo does, and vice versa.
But I do agree, Messi is better as a player overall.
on the other hand, i disagree strongly that Ronaldo is lightyears behind Messi.
No offence, but your opinion is slightly biased.
Even though people Regard Messi as the best, why is it always " Ronaldo this, Ronaldo that"
in the news feeds.
They guys is right behind Messi.
Messi's level of talent and individual skill is just so high that he can make anyone look sub-par.
But somehow, Ronaldo is Allways Right there. Other factors make Ronaldo better in many aspects of the game.
But the one Thing Messi does, no one comes close.
Totally agree. One guy just admitted that he didn't watch Messi much over the last 12 months. Well hello, how the hell can you comment on him then because over the first 4 months Ronaldo was fine but the last 6 very human and average while Messi was best in the world! I mean PSGs front 3 have been better than Ronaldo over the last 6 months and he wins it? Totally garbage and using far too much of what his teammates and manager contributed in winning titles vs his individual contribution. How many goals, how many assists, how many goals with more than one touch, how many goals after beating more than a player, etc. etc.
What if you decided between them based off performances in their head to head match ups in 2017. Goals, assists, mistakes, meltdowns? I think this tells the real story. El Classico is massive, the pressure is massive and Messi came up huge when Ronaldo disappears, twice.
Nice cherry pick. Messi showed up at el classico but disappeared v Juve, TWICE. Both PSG games TWICE but got credit even tho Neymar saved them. Supercopa both games, Messi did nothing, while Ronaldo came on as a sub scored one of the best goals of his career and won the game. In addition, Ronaldo destroyed, Juve, Atletico and Bayern to win the UCL. Ronaldo had bad El Classicos but Messi´s champions league finish was lackluster thats why Ronaldo got the nod.
Leon fkin Osman hahaha. Only thing that’s championship standard is you’re footballing ability and knowledge fella.
What an absolute load of dribble, absolutely clueless pundits, they're even more deluded than my mate vandy and he actually rates Welbeck 😂
The moment this went wrong was when one of them said he doesn't really watch messi anymore but watches ronaldo.... So how can you touch on such a huge duo without somewhat fair analysis. FFS
To add messi has been an outstanding team player currently gifting the goals to his pals.
Let’s remember that Ballon d’Or is a voting based prize. So at some point, goals, assists and dribbles will not favor any other contender. What will favor someone to win it’s if they won the major trophy. UCL>League>Cup
Teams in the premier league are the most open defensively teams in Europe's top 5 leagues...
Suraj's Opinion is Better If you are talking about this season, Barcelona have an average of 2.5 goals per game. Whereas City has an average of 3 goals per game.
Suraj's Opinion is Better Barcelona is also on incredible form. But they will fall, and I guarantee you they will not win the league
Ashkan,
And City are significantly better.
You didn't answer the question either.
Suraj's Opinion is Better Your question has multiple answers but I get what you are trying to prove. You are trying to say it's easy to score in LA liga,just look at Barca with their worst squad in the past decade. At the same time, look at real Madrid. The team that scored in every single game last season. Look how much they are struggling to score. The defences are putting 11 players behind the ball.
the ballon d'or has become a joke nowadays. it has become a popularity contest. whoever is the most famous player of the team that won the champions league gets the award. in this case, ronaldo. everybody's talking about the important goals that ronaldo scored in the CL knockouts but everyone seems to forget how controversial some of them were. Also if you want to go by stats, messi has the most goals, assists and chances created in europe in 2017. and for anyone who argues about messi playing more games, you have to understand that he has played more games because he is the most important player of Barcelona and they are struggling without him. Moreover, if you want to go by international statistics, yes, ronaldo has scored more goals, but he's been playing against mediocre teams like faroe islands and latvia while messi was playing in the most difficult world cup qualifiers. plus, look at how many points argentina lost when messi was playing and when messi wasn't playing. again, you can see how important messi was for Argentina. I really hope they (whoever votes for the ballon d'or) stop being ignorant and getting brainwashed by the media and next time actually give the award to the player that deserves it
You must be out of your mind Ronaldo deserverd to win, messi may have scored more goals but ronaldo showed up in the important games and made the difference in both la liga and CL, the only reason messi has been winning all these years is because barcelona had the better team now that RM are better it's only natural that cristiano is gonna win. I actually love messi as a player but his fans can be very ignorant and stupid sometimes. You don't award losing you award winning.
A player that only had two goals scored, and then in the deciding moments, only marks the 3 best goal keepers in the World, Oblak (Atletico Madrid) Neuer (Bayern) and Buffon (Juventus) what else can we say ???
Great line from danny murphy." hes become a genius. Messi was born one. Ronaldo became one." imo i think it could of gone either way this year. Ronaldo for delivering in the big games. And Messi for being more consistent and his all round game.
Messi "used to" work harder than him? Messi plays as a midfielder when the game is not flowing, he plays as a winger to create width, he gets in behind if he finds space. On the other hand, Ronaldo keeps asking for crosses so he can head or tap it in. How many times have we seen Ronaldo get behind the team and take control of the whole game? I am not talking about moments of class. So NO Messi WORKS harder than that product.
Messi also walks on the field when he throws the towel. Did you even watch his games? Looks like you only watched Messi's highlights on youtube.
"walks on the field when he throws the towel?" What does that even mean? Messi's highlights on youtube do not show the whole match where he does bits. Looks like you need to watch some highlights on youtube.
I've watched messi's matches ever since he began to play for Barcelona, kid I am 36 years old, keep watching porno films and do not bother to keep replying nonsense.
you are a 36 year old immature man then. get off youtube and get a life.
Walks on the field? hmm well when you work as hard as him.. and has to sprint from 0-100. on a instant.. you might wanna take small breaks, and be ready for the next one... dumbfk.
"Messi was born a genius, Ronaldo became one" the only good quote I heard from this talk
It has nothing to do with "british" players working hard. Ballon d'or is more than just "individual brilliance" it's an award that goes to the best player who wins the most important tournaments. As there have been seasons where there have been a much better individual but award still went to Ronaldo and Messi as they won big competitions.
The one and only reason people believes the bpl is the most competitive league and la liga isn’t is because of Barcelona and Madrid (both). Premier league at the end of the day is a league full of average teams right now. I mean look at city right now. They got the Spanish tactics and are 18 points clear and could win the league 6 games early. If you’d put Barcelona and Real Madrid in premier league you’d say “la liga is much more competitive than premier league”
Ronaldo won it because he plays for Madrid and winning the Cl but as a player messi is better even neymar is better than ronaldo he can't even dribble or pass at this moment he just go to the box and wait for the ball to score but messi is more than just a player he is Barcelona he is argentina
Yassine Ntifi VJPro,
Well, as a "player", Hazard betters Messi in most aspects towards his game. So by this logic you should agree Hazard should have won it?
Suraj's Opinion is Better which aspects does hazard have an edge over messi other than completed dribbles and key passes? And there is a reason for that. Messi plays in the middle of the pitch while hazards more on the left. Hazards moved into the middle this seasons and check who has had more dribbles this season. And about key passes, Barcelona don't shoot as much as other top teams. There are all backed by stats. Hazard has never scored more than 25 goals a season or even assisted as much. Sure,he is very pleasing to watch but messi combined aesthetic pleasure with actual numbers and performances in ucl knockouts in the last decade. Hazard is the best premier league player but he has never reached the messi/cr7 level.
noo he is a world class player but not at the messi/ronaldo level even his stats show that he is in the top 10 players not the 19th but in other hand he is similar to how messi plays but he is not someone who will lead chelsea just like messi did for barca this season or how argentina qualifie to WC because of him
Yassine Ntifi VJPro
Ronaldo won it because Ronaldo gave them ucl...Ronaldo single handled won ucl no ronaldo no ucl for madrid
Happiness only real when shared Ronaldo scored 10 goals in the CL knockout stages to the final in 2017. And he only scored twice last season in the group stage and helped them win La Liga as well but players like Isco and Morata scored winners when Ronaldo was rested
The best of Messi is much better then the best of Ronaldo, SAYING THAT where the f are the new guys how has football gone so downhill how can two guys get player of the year, year in year out ?
Mbappe, Donnaruma, Kane, Dybala, KDB, Martial, Rashford, Gabriel Jesus, Sane are all quality up and comers. It's just Messi and Ronaldo are just 2 of the GOATs
The thing is Ronaldo won balandor while he play in UK. This makes him top of all time. !!!
Why do people even bother asking this kind of question? It's not even a year since everyone was drooling over his incredible displays in every single game last season. We would have to wait for this current season to end for us to worry about whether he deserves it again.
I don't understand how you could think Ronaldo did better. Messi is a goal scorer, he scored more than Ronaldo and everyone else in Europe. He is an assister, assisting much more than Ronaldo. He played well in the all games, winning more Man of the Matches than anyone else in Europe. He won his team more points from his goals than any other person in Europe. He won Barca the el clasico in which Ronaldo did nothing but miss chance after chance. This year Ronaldo has the worst conversion rate of the people in Real Madrid. Ronaldo also has the most big chances wasted in all of Europe this season. Of last season's big game goals in the Champions League, Ronaldo had a third offside but still counted. Fact. In the Champions League Messi was moved into midfield against PSG and he thrived in unfamiliar territory helping Barca to make the biggest comeback in Champion's league history. Ronaldo has a higher percentage of assisted goals (other players assisted him) than any other player in Europe who scored
Tim Memmo ronaldo showed up in the bigger games that is the difference, sure messi rescued argentina but that was one big game, and sure he helped barca beat real, but it didnt win him the title, ronaldo destroyed bayern, athletico and juve in the ucl and real won, and he also helped them win la liga. Sure messi has more goals than him, but ronaldos goals to game ratio is slightly better. He deserves this balon d or. PS against psg it was neymar who was the star man not messi
Tim Memmo He hasn't scored more than CR7 what you smoking
tony Lorns I meant in Europe in all competitons against everyother other player in Europe. Not European Chapions League. Sorry not clear. Ma bad
+Sachin Bajrangi he didn't destroy Bayern. He was invisible for half the game then scored 2 offside goals when neuer was crippled.
How could you actually think Messi did better, he got 2 more goals and 2 more assists in 4 more matches. Messi barely scored vs good teams and statpadded vs teams like espanyol. He scored in 3 finals and helped his team win 5 trophies. Messi's goals were not as influential and all they won was cops del Rey
Stop hating Ronaldo is a beast
Dan Asiz,
Truth is the Ballon D'Or is a shambles. Kante got top 10 and Hazard 19th. Crazy.
Dan Asiz who is hating Ronaldo both ex players said he was brilliant player..
Suraj's Opinion is Better I disagreed with the place some players where put as well hazard at 19 was a joke along with few other players ..
Comment Troll Messi naturally better, Ronaldo is all graft. The guy just looks a specimen of a man. Side note pogpa has the same looking physique as Ronaldo.
I still like Messi better, far more reserved character aside, he is just a great player. Though with Ronaldos physique hell likley play longer at a higher level. If he doesn't burn out. Which I don't see it happening.
Comment Troll I see you live up to your name. Must be a sad life.
"I have watched Ronaldo a lot and I remember him playing against Tottenham in Wembley"
like wtf? that game was in his last season and last few months in United...
Go watch his games from 16 August 2003 and I am sure you will never in your dreams say that "Cristiano doesn't work hard or there are other players who work harder than Cristiano Ronaldo"
We all know that he was an absolute beast in United from 2006-2009 but if you really wanna know him watch his 2003-2005 seasons... Those were his underrated seasons where he was an individual working his ass off to become best.
you can argue give facts all day long and still will not come to an agreement. Between Messi and Ronaldo its a matter of opinion, what team do you like in la liga is it Barcelona or Real Madrid and who do you like is it Messi or Ronaldo.
About Ballon d'or are we looking for skills, dribbles or attitude of the player, or are we looking for achievements, goals, assists and contributions of the player to the team??????
Messi is & always will be the greatest player to have ever lived !!!
a r n o l d o t i e n o Lol
a r n o l d o t i e n o ...not even close. After choking in big games and sending his penalty to stands..
a r n o l d o t i e n o Don't be a silly boy
a r n o l d o t i e n o Maradona is
No maradona is waaaaaay better than messi
He won coz he totally deserved, just coz u are fan of Messi doesn’t mean u should be stupidly supporting him for everything , Ronaldo had a better season than Messi PERIOD , just coz Messi scores 3 goals against for example Sevilla in meaningless match wouldn’t mean He should win Ballon d’or when at the same time Ronaldo scores even if one goal against say Bayern in Champions league final , THE CONTEXT and IMPORTANCE OF THE MATCH MATTERS ,,, Ronaldo won DESERVINGLY ,
Honestly i don t like ballon d or because is only based on how many cups the player won rather than the performance of the player.This year MBAPPÈ deserved it to win as he brought Monaco to the semifinals by scoring goals to important teams like Man City and Borussia Dortmund.The last time a diffrent player than CR7 and Messi won the ballon d or was ages ago and i don t really like to see the same player win every time because it is predictabe and by seeing always the same names it doesn t seem that they consider other players.Neymar didn t deserve to come third he only came third because he is the most expensive player.
They often say the Ballon D'or is not about performance anymore but rather who won the Campions league yet in 2013 Bayern Munich won the Chapmions league against Borussia Dortmund Madrid wasn't even in the final yet? Cristiano Ronaldo was given the Ballon D'or instead of Ribery who deserved it at the time 100% and all that for what? just to get closer to Messi's 4 Ballon Do'r...that so bullshit for real!!
He didn't deserve it because he been poor since August and it been corrupt really in mean Wesley should of won the in 2010,Ribery should won in 2013
Anderton Chigoneka 2010 was debatable
alex kanyima it was not. Messi won but sneijder deserved
CS Desire but on general he could have won
That is why CR7 will always have a edge over messi he won the double in the premier league hardest league in the world and golden ball so thats why it makes him the GOAT
Zlatan is what you call a "passenger" aswell, he doesn't like to defend, or run for that matter, if u watch him during a game 90% of the time he is bloody walking haha, He still makes it work cause whenever he gets the ball something amazing WILL come from it, be it an assist, and throughball that creates a chance, a longshot or whatever, he can do it all ( but running :> )
To all those who say "but Ronaldo scored the important goals"; so next year we'll just have Cristiano come in after the quarter finals then as all else doesn't matter (his team will just to care of the rest, no biggie). Besides that, scoring the "important" goals is 80% luck anyway. 80% luck because you were in the right place in the right time and 20% skill because you were in the right place in the right time and you did the right thing. I am aware that there are 22 players on the field and 1 out of 22 is not 20% obviously. I say 20% because skill does affect the game disproportionately and Cristiano has lots of it. Just try not to act like a few important goals is the most incredible thing you can do in football, especially when you are one of the best strikers ever, that is your job, I expect nothing less. Having the best team last year is what won them the cl in the end and everyone knows it (alright and the ref). And I urge everyone to watch that game against Bayern again and really look at Ronaldo's play, it's awful, it really is, important goals or not it was unfitting for "the best" player in the world.
The year that Messi and Ronaldo stop winning it and become to old neymar is going to dominate the award year after year
Hassan N/N Neymar overrated
Hassan N/N dybala?
Ahmed Ayoub I think it'll be neymar .1 m'bappe.2 dybala.3 ( 3years from now)
I think you'd be surprised
Messi doesn't get enough credit. He works just as hard, if not more, off the field than ronaldo
Messi got all the credit when Neymar was the most influencial player agains PSG at Camp Nou. You Messi's fans are really deluded. Snap out of it, dude! it's about time.
Lol, Remember 6-5 Against psg?
Neymar does the work,
Messi ( Penalty goal) Get the Credit.
Everyone are like "This is the only Thing Ronaldo can't do,and Messi can"
M DØM wow, what cancer... neymar is amazing tho.
THE DRAGONBALL SUPER CRITIC Neymar is playing da best for me dis year so far. 19 appearances, 17 goals and 13 assists including 6 goals in 6 appearances in the UCL. He's gonna win it eventually. He's world class as well in my eyes
as long as he wins the champions league.
The only two players who have a chance to win it next year (apart from Messi and Ronaldo) as far as I can see are Kevin De Bruyne (and that's coming from an Arsenal fan) and Neymar Jr - and even then it's a long shot. PSG and Manchester City are good enough teams who on their day could win the Champions League (over other sides like Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea, etc.) but then on top of that their national teams (Belgium and Brazil) would also need to win the World Cup. That's the only way one of Messi or Ronaldo won't win it next year.
If a British player led his team to a title winning season, plus Champions League, he has a really good chance of winning the Balon dor. Hell, the World Cup is this coming summer, if an Englishman plays the best out of everyone there and leads his team to a Champions League, perhaps he could win. Then again, the voting is a popularity contest, seen when Mbappe finished higher than Lewandowski in the voting.
Maybe ONE of the best goal-scorers in history and even in that aspect, his efficiency is terrible. The amount of shots CR7 takes to produce his goals is ridiculous. CR7 is a finisher, point blank period. He can barely dribble without falling & he doesn’t CREATE chances, he just scores. Again, a great goal scorer, maybe in the top 10 players of all time, definitely not THE best.
Playboi CashApp he does create good chances especially in his recent games just not as much as messi or other star players as his role in the team is quite different, do agree with everything else tho
oh but he works so hard in the gym, as they never fail to mention. Agree with comment here that he has improved with assisting over the years, but his game hasn't changed, a successful straightforward classic striker.
Doesn't create LOL? He might not be as creative as Messi but please go check his assists in Europe and in the league. You're delusional
Ghos Tin just did. CR7 has 4 goals and 2 assists in the league & 9 goals in the champions league w/ 1 assist. Messi on the other hand has 14 goals, 5 assists in the league & 3 goals, 1 assist in the Champions league.
Discussion over.
(1) Cr7 is only good at finishing, and he doesn't even score the most goals, with the best club in the world. Messi, the playmaker, who plays as CAM, outscores entire Europe, even with players like Gomes, Denis, Deulofeu, who don't deserve Madrid's bench. Compare them with Asensio, who is benched at RM lol. Ask Ronaldo to win UCL with Denis, Gomes, Deulofeu instead of Kroos, Modric, Isco, Marcelo.
(2) Cr7 is great only at NUTMEGGING HIMSELF, heading, penalties, diving to get penalties/free kicks, modeling, social media craze, and waiting in the box for tapping-in. That's all.
The Ballon d'Or is a joke. dont even care about it anymore
Sly Carey then what are you doing here?
@Nathan Drake The footballing world sees Messi as the greatest, Real Madrid, United and stunning marketing make Ronaldo the "best"
Sly Carey it has become a popularity contest. If lord fellani wins bpl and champions league he should win it next. That’s how it works now. All a marketing game.
TurtleBurger facts
ever since Messi didn't win it anymore?
since infantino is the head of fifa everything literally going madrid's way in ways that they dont deserve it (last la liga ,last cl rm win against bayern ,ronaldo winning trophies over messie).and its funny when infantino draw champions league in knockout stages easiest draw was for RM and toughest one was for barcelona ,it happened for straight 5 years in a row ,its hard to say it was all luck and chance
The criteria for the shortlist is bollocks nowadays. Stats and trophies rule the roost. They should be basing their decisions on performance alone by all players. Regardless of their position or prior exploits. How have they played this season? That would be my criteria to choosing the rightful winner. If goal scoring is a factor, look no further than Cavani . Again, Harry Kane has been brilliant. I'm in no way advocating for those players but I feel there have been players who bring more to the team than Ronaldo does for Real.
Ronaldo has 2 goals this year in 10 league games and is widely regarded as madrid's worst player. It just shows it's trophy based.
Will Waterman and leading in champions league messi hasnt been scoring either so F u
Ahmed Issah hes top goalscorer in la liga . . .
ffs its award for last season
Will Waterman Ronaldo has 11 in 6 in the UCL....
N1-Demon 007 and whats his record in la liga? . . . .
Spanish football is by far better than bpl
maybe bpl teams are doing great in champions league
Lol for how long? Cinderella story
im just saying bpl have some easy draws they are guaranteed 3 teams through at least i would hope to think so where as spanish big 3 madrid hard draw barca hard draw athletico out its going to be interesting i wouldn't say they are by far better this year considering spurs topped the group with madrid in
allthatihave14
This chap is talking about work ethic as if they choose not to work hard, it's the manager who decide if he wants Messi to work hard or not
He absolutely deserved the ballon d'or.
People need to start respecting what CR7 has done, and not just say he scores tap ins
But he does 😂
They do. We do. But one player is better than the other. It's that simple.
He is not even the best ronaldo let alone be the best player in the history 🤨! P.S- I am a Manchester United fan (Cr7 Was the reason i started supporting Man Utd) but no where is he the best player in the history 🙈
u aint a fan fucktard
ZEBRA AVIATION Its my personal opinion so STFU idiot.
you're a moron
So you are saying you can't get away with not defending in the prem is a big reason why prem players struggle to win it but do you forget the player you are on about(ronaldo) did win it in the prem. The real reason is nobody in the prem comes close to messi and ronaldo and when they retire I'm sure there will be another prem player to win it
Continent is not how they vote if harry Kane, Hazard, or Sanchez won league champions league and fa cup and also score 50 goals and 20assists then let’s see who wins it
Messi fanboys are freakin out! 👎👎😂😂😂
Freakin' out over what :)?
You are simply just angry that no one believes in FIFA anymore :) lol... its a world wide Fact.. all Politicts... the King of spain pays FIFA 30 Million Euro a year... i wonder where those money go... :)
This isn't rocket science. You want to win awards win trophies. You can't be the best if you'r ending the season with an empty trophy cabinet..
you cant see the same in the year 2013 when Ronlado won the Ballon d’or without winning a single trophy; You need to know its just politics
lol stupid, You do know that Ballon Do'r is an Individual Award.. Right?... so what does it have to do with Trophies? because Real Madrid won all their trophies without Penaldo :)
Panashe Hillary They should give a ballon to every person in the team, if someone doesnt go and get the ball for ronaldo and bring it to the penalty area he doesnt score
then why did ribery and snider get fucked over even though they won the treble in 2010 and 2013 respectively
So that means a player from a relatively smaller club can never be recognized as a brilliant individual player
You're a brilliant player only if your team wins trophies... well then why's CL trophy and ballon d'or two separate awards
Ballon do'r is an individual award so champions league and la liga and team trophies don't count. Messi has most goals in 2017 most assists and chances created in 2017 and most successful dribbles in 2017
Is it a debatable issue from the very beginning?
Ronaldo dominated the premier league then dominated la Liga. Once messi goes to another league and dominates just as ronaldo did. Then he can be considered better than Ronaldo.
Cee Tee I agree 100%. A lot of non sense being said about cr7.
he didnt dominate prem league he played extremely well in a team with other legends like giggs scholes keane nistelrooy stam ferdinand sar
memory deceives you or you weren't following football back then
the way he played back then doesnt compare to the way messi played at the same age. Ronaldo needs his insane team to create 80 % of his goals, messi creates most % of barcas goals (and chances)
Next ballon d'or undoubtedly goes to messi 🔥
Did 2018 start yet,oh wow
a r n o l d o t i e n o For scoring goals in La Liga?😂 You do know that you have to do more than that, Diego costa, Forlan, Torres etc have also achieved this.
To soon to know but its possible.
If by chance Chelsea knock Barca out of the UCL, which is likely, his chance of winning it would be slim. Plus Messi has a history of underperforming in the Knockout phases
Plus the world cup, Messi and Argentina are far off from Ronaldo and Portugal
Leave all the differences in the league and qualities of players.... i'm a fan of cr7 but i can't ignore the fact that both teamswould do everything for their star player to score 50 goals a season... how can both teams generate millions in revenue and compete against premier league teams with a player that scores 20 or 30 goals a season in the premier league era..... everyone disses neymar for leaving barcelona but honestly... i don't think any player with neymar's class would be happy to create space and goals for someone else... david villa, zlatan, thiery henry, sanchez left for this reason....While Ronaldo who i started admiring for his dribbling and skill way back in manchester.... has turned into a goal poacher..... just taping it in....
They both are still exceptional players.... no doubt.... World class... but iv'e made a truthfull observation.... and did anyone notice cavani in 11th spot above isco, suarez dybala de bruyne... omg* shows how trash these individual awards are in a team based sport
I recently heard two La Liga experts in Norway talk about this subject. They sounded equally blind to Ronaldo/Messi debate like these two englishmen. They are not alone to put it mildly. I have read tonns of "arguments" from people who fancy the narcissist over Messi, but i never never get to understand their reality. I watched football from the early 2000s and I've always fancy the likes of playmakers like Zidane and Ronaldinho over goalgetters like Schevchenko and Etoo. I never like to take this debate because i think its stupid. I just watch the game and obviously see the vast difference in level between them. This debate should never have existed and is a shame to the buitiful game.
Few words : There are atleast 5 players who deserve the Balon d'or better than Ronaldo.
L
L tell me who? you , your sister, your brother in law and the 2 neighbours for sure
you are no " expertise " lol. Who the hell are you anyway ? If you are a football player , tell me and I will respect you .
I wouldn’t say 5 but 4 players: Messi, De Bruyne, Neymar, and Modric
AJ Joshi messi not deserv it.sorry
Suraj's opinion is the worst : Literally every Real Madrid player is better than him if you talk about the way he plays the game! If you really think scoring headers and tap ins from 2-3m is a moment of magic, then you clearly have no knowledge of how football works.... He doesn't even deserve 1/4th of his praises for the BDO.... I have nothing more to say, i just feel bad for Modric Kroos and others for not getting any credit whatsoever
If based in last season Ronaldo. He produced one of the most effective champions league canpaigns ever, also won la liga, scored big goals. Its between him and Messi, i think ronaldo gets the nod, its not by much, Messi may be the better player but again Ronaldo bossed it last season
Ballon Dor is voted by captains and coaches and they choose their own favourite player rather than looking at individual performances. Time to stop voting by them and let computer choose the winner after analysing the performance of the player
Y'all mooches are doubting the analysis of two ex-professional players. Which doesn't make them automatically right, but they are. They made a really good point about how in England there's little room for flair, which is why it's really tough for players to stand out.
A big NOOO!
Are you mad
Ronaldo deserved it because of his CL knockout performances
TheUnknownkid99 3 games is how you win the ballon d’or apparently
Brady Ford No?
TheUnknownkid99 I’m just saying that because people think he deserves it because of his cl performances
Brady Ford CL isn't 3 games?
TheUnknownkid99 2 of the goals where offside and they didn’t deserve to go to the semi final. How can you award the trophy based on scandal?
The fact that he said “playing in La Liga is like playing championship games” that stupid mentality is why the British don’t achieve anything they act and feel superior and boast about it in their media when they’re not. Premier league is exiting and filled with goals because of the lack of tactics and defensive mistakes in La Liga and Italy that’s not the case there’s less errors and more well organized play. Look at Aguero, Sanchez, Silva, Cazorla, Michu(first season), De Gea, Mata and more they came in put up amazing stats coming form La Liga and it’s because they played under tactics not just physical play scrappy football that you see in England. Most bigger names in the premier league came from outside and A LOT from La Liga.
Did he say Messi used to work harder than Ronaldo? In what world... Numbers alone suggest that it isn't true. Messi averages 7.4 km travelled per 90 minutes. No other player in Europe falls below at least 9 km.
Put Messi in any team and he'll do a lot better than Cristiano Ronaldo would. Messi is still a (the) driving force in every team he plays for.
Suuuuuure that's why Argentina won Copa America 2007, Copa America 2015, Copa America 2016 and World Cup 2014. You are right. :)
Masked Saiyan lol😂😂
+Masked Saiyan Even with a world cup organized in such a way to soften things up for Argentina to win it (Argentina was a great team, they were number 1 in the FIFA ranking for several months in 2014), he was such a flop, oh boy!! FIFA even invented a Copa America named "centenario" so Messi could win sth for his nation, but he failed again in 2016. What else FIFA needs to do to help this dude?
+Masked Saiyan Did you ever watch a whole game of Argentina in the qualifiers? hahaha Messi was so nervous, he is such a bottler, he is absolutely a choker when it comes to hard games, you should have seen the match agains Sub20 of Ecuador in the highland of Quito, that game was a joke, the defenders let Messi pass to score, Ecuador got nothing to lose, you don't know the first thing about football if you think Messi carried the team to the worldcup, it was FIFA that did it, not Messi. Messi should have been banned for at least 5 games and FIFA took away the punishment for Messi (after he insulted the ref by saying: "la concha de tu madre" three times) to play for Argentina. Even so, Argentina was strugling till the final match. That game was a disgrace for football. Messi is the best choker ever. I've watched his games ever since he started playing for Barcelona in 2005. Do not get surprised that FIFA is gonna help him in this world cup. In spite of the help he'll choke big time again. :)
+Masked Saiyan Just by looking at your stupid avatar pic I can have an idea who you are. You are just a deluded Messicock's rider who resists admitting Messi is not as great as the media is making him believe. In 2007 in copa america final match Argentina had the best squad: Veron, Riquelme, Cambiazzo, Tevez, etc and Messi was part of that team. Brazil on the other hand had its subs and some of the C team. Final score: 0-3 Brazil beat the crap out of Argentina, Messi, who had scored a hat trick already before Real Madrid, choked against Brazil B in a final match. Unfortunately for you, Higuain wasn't part of that team, you can't just put the blame on Higuaín there :(. Dude, snap out of it, Messi is a rip off, do not buy it, marketing can even sell you average players as if they were stars, how much more if you are excellent players?
Short answer is yes.
Either CR, or Hazard.
Messi was terrible vs PSG/Juve, I think it's okay for an ageing player to have inconsistencies in parts of the season, granted he delivered when needed most.
Not sure what these clowns are mentioning British players for. They're levels behind Pogba, Mbappe, Dembele, Hazard, etc. Closer to Serbian farmers.
Messi in his prime (2011-12) was hard to match, but prime CR at United was unplayable in most respects.
The only player to overtake Prem CR will be Hazard. No player better than him in the world right now, will be massive if Hazard extends contract.
Suraj messi wasn't terrible vs Juventus or psg
It just so happens cr7 has a much better team than messi now just like messi had a better team before.
C Con my mistake. Sorry
Hazard will never win, unless he moves to Real. The competition itself these days is much more based on what a team achieves and then the standout player. If you look at individual stats there is no question who deserves to win. Messi. (He got most goals and most assists). However Messi won the Copa Del Rey with Barca, the equivalent to the FA cup in England. Whereas Ronaldo won the Champions league and La Liga and therefore won the Ballon D'or, if it stays the way it is then I can't see an EPL players ever winning it until one wins the champions league.
+Harry Swann. It isn't just that Real won the CL. It's that they ONLY won it because of Ronaldo. Hat tricks in both the quarter final and semi final with two in the final, this is why he deserves to win it.
Suraj's Opinion is Better Dude your comments are silly, "Messi was terrible". Dude he helped his team make the biggest comeback in history, ronaldo has scored 2 la liga goals, messi scored 4 in one match, this is your opinion so I do respect that.
Why would they bring preimeir league nerds to judge ronaldo or messi? The other guy even said the last time he watched messi play was 12 months ago so how will he know how Messi performed? Those guys don't know anything about la liga.
I disagree with the other guy saying Ronaldo can make his own goals out of nothing. That shows he doesn't watch real Madrid games
Of course He Deserved this!
People's Champ no.....
AlexF815 yes
Nope
Toro losso yes
Messi’s the best ever....no debate
tedb2012tb that is why Ronaldo beat him to the balon d or
Sachin Bajrangi That is why Messi got 5 Ballon d'Ors before him
Anakin Vader doesnt matter who was first fact is messi was caught while he is still in his prime, while ronaldo is supposedly declining
Anakin Vader also by ur logic ronaldo won the balon d or before messi so that makes him better, which he is
Among those legends without an international trophy for country. Messi is the best no doubt.
Ronaldo played in PL for 6 years!!! and he dominated the PL, he was dribbling more in Man U than RM. So when these pundits say Ronaldo wont be able to get away with it in PL, it's rubbish. Messi is more of a ball hog than Ronaldo (Ronaldo does more 1 touch 2 touch passes now, whereas Messi chooses to carry the ball...) if Messi held onto the the ball for that long in PL i think he would get clattered
"Messi was born a genius, ronaldo became one" thats the key msg. Major reason why i can NEVER put messi over him. NEVER. TY guys
Messi deserved it, like if u agree
he had nothing to show for it at the end of the season but ronaldo did
Its not a popularity contest.
Akhil Krishnan Are you serious?
Akhil Krishnan you're stupid
Akhil Krishnan no he didnt
There is only one ronaldo and hes from brazil
The other Ronaldo are playing golf
Cause you dnt know the best one
The present...
This award is no longer given to the best player of the year but the most successful and popular player of the year
How can the English continue to believe all the teams in la liga other than Barca and Real are crap? Just look at the Spanish success in European competition, Champions league and Europa League.