just wanted to say it’s extremely respectable of you to reply to these all questions one by one. as someone who is new to the hobby watching videos like these are really helping me broaden my understanding of audio. thank you.
Thanks for the link to Dacman. I contacted Stav and purchased the Ares II from him. Great customer service! Stav is terrific to deal with - plus he kept his discount promise when I mentioned ‘Passion for Sound’ - now some 8 months down the track. I love your CZcams channel, all the best, Antoine
I'm planning to buy this DAC within the week - I really appreciate your thorough review, and I think you are doing an absolutely fantastic job with your CZcams videos, as I have watched several from your channel and they very well edited and filmed. I'm going to be pairing this DAC with the Burson Soloist 3X Performance Amplifier, and your review on this one was also super helpful. Keep up the great work!
@@marshallhughes4514 I did buy it and I'm happy I did. I've also got the Topping D90SE, and I enjoy the features and characteristics of both (Bluetooth on the Topping is a fantastic feature). I like that I have both Delta Sigma and R2R DACS in my collection, and the Ares II is reasonably priced. The sound on the Ares II is definitely more spacious and less fatiguing, and everything this video talks about is spot on.
It would be interesting if you could review the Ares 12th with all the firmware updates just to see how it stacks up against the Biifrost 2/64 now and Gustard R26, Yggy, etc. This is also your second most watched video so might make sense for you to review the 12th just for that reason alone. : )
I'd be happy to if it was easier to get demo units. The local market is fairly small so the distributor didn't carry spare demo stock at last check so timing a loan for review can be tricky
A very good and thorough review, indeed! Appreciate especially the comparisons to the higher and lower price ranges. A big thank you from a new subscriber from Denmark, Scandinavia
An update video may be worth while. Denafrips released their 3rd firmware update on July 5th, and it's the best take yet. More articulate bass, smoother mids and increased timbre and soundstage with no fatigue. Outstanding sonic performace.
For anyone with very analytical speakers like Focal or B&W (I have an a pair of older Matrix 804s) this DAC provides a welcome smoothness in the highs that my tweeters desperately needed. Or at least, I needed.
Great! I have the Ares ii and absolutely love it. It’s only $670 or so here in the US but quite a wait. I am planning to move it into my office with my secondary system and buying the Pontus for my main system.
Nice! I'm really looking forward to trying the higher level Denafrips offerings. I like the Ares II, but just wish it had a little more resolution. I expect the Pontus will be a really great DAC.
@@PassionforSound Plenty of people love the Pontus and the Terminator, but for my money if I was going to upgrade my Ares II I'd probably look at a Holo, most likely a Holo Spring V2 Level 2.
such a great review channel really, you are able to explain things very well, deeply and easy to understand. not an easy ting to do, specially when having to talk audio. Best dac advise around.
Thanks emilsal, it's already underway! 🙂 Jason from Schiit recommended the Bifrost 2 during my interviews with him (in the next part that will post in a bit over 1 week from now). I've got it here now and I'm very impressed. Stay tuned!
@@JetEarlewood are you talking about me? I have definitely found this to be a trend with most integrated gear, not just Topping. The Bifrost 2 uses an integrated output stage, but it has some interesting qualities... Agree, it would be great if auditioning were easier. That's why it's great there are multiple reviewers with different tastes and preferences. Hopefully they/we can paint a good picture for you to help the decision.
I recently bought some new speakers. They are JBL Stage A180's. They are warmer than my old PMC FB1's. I ran the FB1's with the slow filter and that was good. That filter did not suite the JBL's at all. The fast filter is much more enjoyable, changing made a positive difference. Moral: just do the experiment with your speakers and just do not just elect and stick with the slow, warm setting as some have suggested. Thanks again for a very thoughtful review.
Thanks for sharing that Dr Robin and great advice! It's ALWAYS worth trying each different option no matter what anyone else has said. I had a similar experience "breaking the rules" and using the high output impedance setting on my Mainline amp with the relatively low impedance Focal Clears. The results are very enjoyable!
I was hesitant to purchase the Ares II, as every DAC I have owned are all clinical sounding to my ear. Listening fatigue set in within a hour, even casual listening, it was unbearable, mid tier DACs, roughly in the $1000 +/- range, Schiit Gungnir was one of them... Well, after so many glowing reviews I bit, and damn glad I did! Huge sound difference to my ears, no more fatigue, music is now enjoyable to listen to and I can play my system all day long now without having to turn it off. I see a Pontus II in my future. I mainly listen to R&B, Jazz and some classic rock. I use my old OPPO BDP-83 and a GeerFab D.BOB to get native DSD to my Ares II, love my SACDs... In fact, my experience with Denafrips was so incredibly good, that I went and bought their Iris DDC, their Hades preamp and their Thallo amplifier. I have the KLH Model 5 speakers and I have to say the sound out of this system still knocks my socks off. And the few folks that have heard it are impressed to say the least, their smiling faces, head bobbing, a hell ya every now and then, along with some serious toe tapping give away their true thoughts.
This was my first look at Passion For Sound. I thought you did a very good review. It was laid out well with intelligent comments. It was also well paced. Your photography was excellent. Your "B" roll was as good as the "King of B Roll" himself - J. Darko :) As an owner of an Ares II your comments has influenced me to revisit the up-sampling options on this DAC. Maybe I dismissed them prematurely. However, one correction with the price in US dollars. The US price right now is $755. I think you mistakenly referenced the price in Singapore dollars in the video.
Thanks Tom! Glad you liked it! For this review I quoted the local AUD price and just a conversion from AUD to USD because I didn't know how it was priced elsewhere. Thanks for clarifying the cost in the US!
Nice accurate review. TQ! I had the Pontus with me for a while. It’s got that ‘analogue’ sound. Basically, no electronic sheen. But pairing can be tricky. All depends on your favorite sound flavour. But in terms of build, it’s superb. No complain at all.
Thank you for the great review ! I have the same experience !! using delta sigma (topping dx7s) and R2R (Audio-gd r2r 11), the topping is more forward sounding, 2D presentation and i find it fatiguing with some speakers; it's harder to enjoy the music, the R2R 11 has a 3D presentation, better tonality, smoother sound, really not fatiguing. (When using upsampling to DSD on the topping, the sound has more depth and softness)
You're welcome. Nice to hear I'm not the only one hearing these differences! That's interesting that the sound of the DX7 improves with an upsampled signal, but I have experienced similar on other DS DACs I've tried.
An interesting thing I find about R2R DACs (may not apply to the Ares II, but I own a Musician Pegasus), is that when you turn it on and start listening to it - you might feel that its not actually that striking or impressive sounding. The stage is definitely wide and open, but you're not hit with that clarity and dynamics you get from D/S. Looking at it critically, the background can sound a bit 'grey', the edges of transients feel rolled off - its not 'HiFi' like we imagine it to be. But the sound is presented in a way where once you get past that analytical side of your brain trying to parse what is good and bad about the characteristics of the sound, you can just listen and comfortably enjoy music for hours one song after another. Interestingly enough, I find that I often don't listen to music from start to finish, or I might skip sections more on a D/S DAC, while on my R2R DAC I will just click through and absorb the songs, and might even just let it go play whatever it finds and enjoy it. I feel like R2R DAC's just have this ability to draw attention away from themselves and let you just enjoy the music for what it is, while D/S DACs are going to highlight everything there is to hear and draw more attention to themselves in a 'HiFi experience' way.
I definitely agree about the comparison between R2R and regular DS DACs. I have briefly listened to the Pegasus and while I can't compare it directly to the Ares II, I feel like it's less rounded off than the Ares II. I personally like Chord and Schiit Multibit DACs slightly more than the R2R options I've tried so far, but I think I'm with you in preferring R2R over regular DS DACs as a general rule. I'm looking forward to spending more time with the Pegasus for a review.
You’ve clearly not heard an Audio Music DAC/1. R2r and detailed and sweet. It has it all. One of the best DACs ever created. It’s the one to buy imo but £13k RRP. Beats £40k DACs I’ve been told.
As an owner of the D90+A90 combo, I must admit I was always scpetical when watching your comparisons with the Bifrost 2 or the Ares II, thinking that you're exagerrating the differences. Whilst I haven't heard the former, I have recently bought the latter, and oh boy... It is different for sure. It has made me fall in love with my Utopia once again. Admittedly, it doesn't sound that great with my planar headphones (HE1000se), so you're right about it being a bit soft, it's all about the synergy here. But never before have I really been able to just turn the volume up on the Utopias and get sucked in. Admittedly - a little less punch and incisiveness, but the stage is deeper, more holographic, and instruments sound more real, more corporeal, the sound sounds full as opposed to hollow. I'll paste in below some comments I've made elsewhere in hope they help others watching this video thinking about purchasing this DAC: 1. OS mode with the Slow filter is the way to go. I could see myself sporadically using the NOS mode but only if I wanted to chill out, relax, or listen to music in the background without being moved by it. Otherwise it's just not enough in terms of impact, separation and detail. 2. First thing that struck me was the soundstage holography and depth - the opposite of the D90 which puts everything right in front of me. Ares II pushes music slightfly further away from me, presenting it on a bigger and deeper stage which makes everything sound more like a live performance as opposed to listening to a record. 3. Everything sounds smoother whilst still being clean and quite detailed. I am finding myself being able to listen at higher volumes without being attacked by any harshness (bear in mind that amp volume needs to be higher anyway as the Ares II is quieter than the D90). 4. For anything with real instruments, especially more relaxed tracks - Ares II makes it sound more interesting and more believable than the D90. 5. For everything requiring direct in-your-face impact, I think the D90 still hits a bit harder and can be addictive in its detail, accuracy and speed. Having said that... 6. The more time I spend with the Ares II, the more difficult it is to return to the D90 because, as someone has mentioned elsewhere, it feels a bit like going from listening to a performance to listening to a recording. 7. Ares II turns my Utopia into an easier-to-listen-to headphone, it seems to have a similar effect on the HD800 (the soundstage gets even bigger!). However, the HE1000se does not seem to have a particularly good synergy with it, I think it's because of the nature of the planar driver and its already softer/more laid-back presentation. The Ares II feels like a bit of overkill whilst the D90 gives this particular headphone the punch it needs. It's the other way round with the Utopia. Very, very interesting... :)
Thanks for sharing your impressions and for testing it out for yourself! So glad you've had the chance to experience the differences first hand! Synergy is definitely a big part of it, but your comment about the realism of instruments from the Ares II is spot on compared to the D90 IME
@@PassionforSound Were you able to test the Ares II with different amps? Apparently, its output impedance is very high, my only amp is the Topping A90 whose input impedance is in turn exceptionally low. On paper, this is not a good pairing and perhaps explains why this DAC sounds "softer" than the D90 (despite having a way bigger sounstage and truly fascinating holography). The Ares's RCA output apparently has a lower impedance, so I'm going to get a pair of RCA cables to see if that makes any difference (been using XLR so far). I'm wondering if this issue is real and if a different amp altogether should be used with this DAC (I hope not...).
I don't recall now which amps I used it with. I did have the A90 back then, but I don't recall what else I had. The impedance issues could cause the softness too so it's possible that was a factor, but I can't confirm because I don't remember 100%
Hi DR, good to know - thanks! I've got one or two other products to review first and then it'll be Schiit Week here on the channel with the Modius and Bifrost 2. Looking forward to the reviewing process for both of these!
@@PassionforSound Also, I agree with you about optical input. I have a glass medical grade optical cable and it has a purity that my Blue Jeans Coax cable cannot match.
@@PassionforSound As a reviewer you need to resolve this stuff but it aint that cheap. But as a guess better value than many so called high end cables...lifatec.com/toslink2.html
@@doctorrobin3040 thanks for the link. I've looked at their cables before - should probably grab one and compare it to the stock cables I have and the slightly better aftermarket one.
I'm coming from a DS Dac and got the ares because schiit and chord is really expensive here. My first impression is the lack of slam and crunch, though after listening for a few days, I appreciated the 'rounded' off edges. I am able to listen to the music without fatigue and still get a decent resolution.
I'm glad you're enjoying it, Christopher! There's always an element of system synergy here too so the Ares could well be a good fit for the rest of your source chain. I also agree that it's great to not have the edge and attack of most DS DACs
Great review, totally agree on each and every word you said. Especially the wrap up, as opposed to too many “jaw-dropping” comments I heard and read in the last year or so. ...and I own the Ares II myself.
@@PassionforSound you are welcome. Just to clarify my point of view given it may sound like I don’t like Ares 2 “that much”: while it may lose against others on the retrieval of the most subtle details that have an immediate impact and “wow-effect” when you listen to “gears”, it definitely allows me to listen to my music for hours without any fatigue, which in the last 16 years (and 4 different DACs) was only a prerogative of my turntable. That’s why I kept it and I’m a happy owner.
Thank you for doing the video. I just noticed that discount not withstanding it is cheaper to buy from the Singapore dealer and have it shipped to both AUS and US.
Hi Oddi, I'm not sure how the pricing models work so I won't comment on that, but I imagine some of the costs may come from import duties and maybe the cost of local warranty support. I'm just speculating though so best to chat to the local supplier about the differences and see if they can assist
Evil Dub is one of my favourite tracks to test gear with. Another one you might want to try is The Sea by Ary... Very dynamic with lots of detail and swirling sounds.
I did a test of 6 coax cables below £40. Sound signature And quality varied alot on my system. Mogami cable was the best for price and sound in my opinion.amazon brand was better than some costing alot more. Be interesting to know what cable you used for the test. Nice review.
I can't recall what cables I was using at this time, but all high quality cables that I've selected through listening tests (i.e. not assuming expensive = better).
Great detailed review, thank you. Would love a review of the soekris 1421 dac and a comparison to this ares ii dac since they are at similar price points (and are both r2r ladder Dacs).
Another great review Lachlan. My comparison to Qutest (for what its worth), Ares sounds better, less clinical, quite significantly better slam and more holographic. This to me, is is the best sounding DAC under $2000.
@@PassionforSound Ares + Taurus MKII The 2 best sounding DACs under $2k, Qutest & Ares Area has slightly better slam and holographic, less detailed against Qutest, but these differences are quite negligible.
Thanks for sharing, Anu. I found noticeable differences between the Ares and D90 / Bifrost 2 in terms of resolution, but the Ares II definitely creates the most depth in the soundstage out of those 3.
@@PassionforSound there are comparison reviews from user, Bitfrost 2 vs. Modius. Their difference is very subtle. Saying if he was blind folded, he wont be able to tell which is which. forum.hifiguides.com/t/schiit-bifrost-2/8334/268
That will be a result of equipment limiting the differences heard (i.e. THX AAA 789). I've done some blind A/B testing yesterday and while I was also slightly limited by the particular setup I was using, I could clearly tell the differences. Interestingly, due to the gear limitations I couldn't say which I preferred, just that they were different.
I don't actually know of one - sorry. Why are you focussed on R2R DACs specifically? You might have more luck finding a nice delta sigma option in that price range because the cost to produce R2R is always higher than an equivalent delta sigma due to the parts required in the R2R
Something like the Soncoz SGD-1 or Burson Composer would do very well. The Composer is a little higher in price, but because you can swap the op-amps easily, you can make the sound richer and warmer if you want to.
Hi, Super review! Im currently evaluating Bifrost Multibit/Bifrost 2 and Denafrips Ares II for my main 'music' listening setup (Marantz 6007 amp + PSB X2T Towers, currently using a topping with ESS9038q2 as dac in the chain) I mostly listen to easy vocals (Ella Fitzgerald), 60/70s rock (Floyd, Led Zepp) jazz, some classical and new age/electronic. Source is through PC based hi-res streaming (Tidal) and some cds. I have a high affinity/preference for smooth and open/airy midrange with precise deep bass and holographic imaging with wide soundstage. Looking for that 'in room presence', black background, rolled off/less sibilant top end with an overall smooth sound signature. In the Bifrost 2 review, you mentioned that the sense of space is higher with Ares II but bifrost has better resolution better. Most reviews of Denafrips mention that musicality, soundstage and holographic imaging qualities. They are around the same price point and offer all features (i need). Only plus i see for Denafrips is the higher bitrate conversion ability (beyond 24 bit 192) compared to Bifrost. The only flip side (rather tradeoff) is that Denafrips may not justice to most electronic music which requires slight more resolution that smoothness. You liked Bifrost more on most tracks than Denafrips (which might be a future possibility for me if i go for the Denafrips) I value your reviews/views enough to be confused between the 2 now :) This is quite a leap for me (as i was earlier considering choosing between the Chord Mojo or Modi Multibit) but realized might as well splurge and close the endless upgrade loop. Any chance you can get me out of this choice pickle!! Thanks mate :D
Hi Apurv, that's a tough decision based on your tastes. A couple of things to think about: 1) is high res really important to you? If you don't play anything outside of Tidal or standard FLAC then it's not an issue to worry about. If it IS very important to you then your decision is made for you 🙂 2) I would personally always choose the more resolving and natural sounding DAC because it is easy to adjust the sound with amps and headphones/speakers, but you can never get that resolution back is it's not there after the DAC. The Bifrost 2 isn't overly sharp or edgy in any way. It's resolving and detailed, but I don't think you'll have troubles with it needing rolling off or smoothing. The Ares II probably fits your description of what you want for some of the jazz and similar music, but I do think you might feel a lack of energy when it comes to electronic music so unless you have other gear in your chain that really needs taming, I think the B2 is probably the better all around choice.
NOS mode doesn't always mean that you have to feed the dac with non-processed 44.1/48kHz data directly. NOS mode allows you to use your own high quality filters on your computer like SoX resampler.
Oh well now you've done it - and I was just about to pull the trigger on a Topping D70! Great review by the way, I'm subscribed and it was your take on the little Topping E30 that led me to buy the E30/L30 stack for headphone listening last week - wow, all I could keep saying was - how much did this cost again!! 😊 So for a laugh I took out my RME ADI-2 from the main system and popped the little Topping in... oh dear now I have to rethink price/features all over again! I had to tune down the brightness a bit with Roon DSP with the RME, but the little Topping turned what had been unlistenable glare into some kind of super tweeter detail? DSP off and I'm still listening - hence the thoughts about a D70 to see what that sounds like in my system? Have you heard one yet? All the best Tim
Hi Tim, thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm glad my reviews have been helpful. That's really interesting that you're preferring the E30 in your system over the ADI-2. While the ADI-2 does do some things better than the E30, I can understand what you're saying about needing to tone it down. I haven't tried a D70 yet and I'm trying to take a break from Topping for a little while, but I'll probably check it out in the future.
Very nice reviews. I like the style and the detail. They are lengthy but not boring. I think that you could go for a review a step or two up in the Denafrips DAC catalog and get that extra resolution you are missing. I am interested in your point of view regarding the SMSL M400. Judging by the sound samples in another channel looks like it has resolution without the D90 harshness, closer to Ares II maybe (I own the Denafrips and I also notice a little lack of resolution).
Thanks Juan, I'll be getting some higher end Denafrips DACs to review in the future so stay tuned! I'll take a look into the M400 too - thanks for the suggestion!
I own the Ares 2 , the Schiit Modi R2R DAC and the Auralic Mini DAC. for me moving to the Ares 2 was an upgrade. I really like the Schiit modi r2r DAC but the soundstage and details on the Ares 2 are way better( to my ears). thestreamingmusic The Soundstage fro DSD is much reduced compared to PCM. The good news is that when I convert DSD via Roon to PCM and then stream it to the ARES2 the music opens up again so that's what I'm doing as setup
Hi Hans, thanks for sharing. That's interesting about the Ares vs the Modi MB. I've just recorded my Bifrost 2 review (it's MB too) and I really like it compared to the Ares II, but it's also a couple of steps up in price and features.
I really like the Schiit products. Most components in my chain are from Schiit besides now the DAC. What i found interesting in my comparison is that the Schiit sounded at best with optical in while the Ares was at best with USB in. Both DACS were fed from the same endpoint that ( Aries Mini)
The input differences can be profound sometimes. I found something similar with my old Gumby DAC. The new Unison USB from Schiit seems to overcome that problem.
Very curious to give this a try. I had a chance to home trial a Chord qutest for a few days and was quite underwhelmed. It wasn't bad but I just not impressive enugh for what you pay. I ended up going with a Lumin T2 which I love, very holographic and three dimensional with great detail (especially after adding the S-Booster power supply. Thanks for the review, first video I've seen of yours... Subscribed!
Hi James, glad you liked the video and thanks for subscribing! It'll be interesting to see how you enjoy the Ares II. The T2 looks to be a serious piece of equipment so the Ares II might not best it either.
Another R2R ladder DAC is the Musician Pegasus. It is slightly more expensive than the Ares II - and actually may be made in the same factory. Maybe you can review it at some point? The Ares II is actually doing linear interpolation in what it calls NOS. I don't know if the Pegasus has a "true" NOS mode, but it apparently is the preferred mode for some folks.
I've actually got one here now, Neil (a Pegasus). It's got a slight issue (not the fault of the DAC) so I'm not sure when the review will happen, but it's in the works...
great review & content. surprised how well the modius did against the ares2. Hope you can review the Bifrost 2 soon which is supposed to compete to the ares II (price-wise).
Curious if you've seen GoldenSound's video on the Ares II where his testing would seem to indicate that even in non-oversampling mode that the Ares II is still oversampling. He doesn't really factor it into the review of the Ares' quality or whether or not you should buy it; it was done more so to test the claim by the manufacturer. If true I would wager the Ares is not the only R2R DAC that is misrepresenting what its non-oversampling option actually means.
@@PassionforSound I found it surprising given how well the Ares II is received. For a niche product it has a lot of word of mouth endorsement so I hope they formally address the question.
I agree. I'm still shocked at how many people love that DAC given my experiences with it where I was underwhelmed. I had a recent comment asking about issues pairing the Ares II with some amps due to the high output impedance of the Ares II and the relatively low input impedance of some amps (e.g. Topping A90). I'm wondering if I need to revisit it...
Greetings from México! Congratulations, your reviews are always among the most complete and detailed. It would be very interesting to know your opinion about the Venus II. it´s not as expensive as the Terminator, but many describe it as very close regarding sound quality. It is also in the price range between the Chord Quetest and the Hugo tt2.
Hi Mauricio, I hope to review all of the Denafrips DACs in the future. It just depends on when DACMan Audio have units available for me to review. Stay tuned, I'll get there eventually :)
I wish Amazon sold the Denafrips, but it seems to only be available in Singapore. To much of a hassle for me in the US. Looks like the Topping stack is still my first pick.
Hi Brian, there will be a local supplier I expect, but I'm not sure. Before deciding on which DAC to buy, wait for this week's reviews... it's Schiit Week!
@@PassionforSound I look forward to your Schiit video. Right now you have me convinced on the Topping stack still. Schiit stack is cheaper, but can it compete with Topping? I’ll definitely stay tuned in.
@@PassionforSound This is why I’m watching as many videos as I can. I’m buying my Amp and Dac this month. But so far, your Topping stack video is in the lead for my money. Looking for the best pair with my 800s. Thanks again for all your replies, as I said you seem to be the only one that is helpful.
With HD800s, I'd probably lean towards the Topping stack myself. Otherwise, the Bifrost 2 and Asgard 3 from Schiit are excellent, but the Asgard 3 is probably a little less revealing than the A90 - I haven't checked yet to confirm.
Amazing review. I am very curious how you think this stacks up against the RME ADI 2 DAC FS for the DAC part obviously. I own the RME but I pair it with an external amp. Would I gain a lot of naturalness in sound if switch to the ARES II?
Hi Rhino, that's an interesting question. Based on my recollection of the ADI-2 (and not direct comparison to the Ares II), I think you'd be trading off resolution for smoothness/naturalness. The ADI-2 is very resolving, but it's also slightly clinical/edgy. The Ares II has zero edge and it creates a very rich and engaging sound, but it comes at the cost of lost detail. I found that the Ares II is best with classical music because it does space so well which suits large orchestral pieces. It's not as well suited to rock, blues, pop, etc. because they rely on the rhythm and texture more to create engagement. Not sure if that helps - hopefully it does. If you're not in a huge hurry, maybe wait for my review of the Schiit Bifrost 2 before purchasing. It's early days, but I'm liking what I'm hearing!
A guy from head fi that I know, sold his RME adi2 and stayed with the Ares2, named dakchi, contact him for more information. www.head-fi.org/threads/denafrips-ares-r2r-discrete-ladder-dac-close-up-view.833690/page-97
@@PassionforSound Wow that's super insightful. I'm a musician writing mostly orchestral music trying to make this very choice between these 2 DACS. I'm building a new home Studio/HiFi system consisting of the GR Research NX Studio Monitors and Orchard Audio edit: (Starkrimson; formerly Bosc) Monoblock amps. I just discovered the RME adi-2 line (both pro/DAC) and was amazed at the reviews and it's specs. But the Ares II looks so enticing. I'm torn. I like the RME for the dsp functionality and speed for non-latent performance, but I might prefer the Ares for its naturalness and engaging sonic qualities. (And I might need that quality of the Ares since both my amp and monitors will be VERY truthful, clinical, and revealing). I'll probably have to buy both DACS and AB them. Specs just aren't that helpful to me since my knowledge doesn't go very far into audiophile territory. But reviews like this are VERY helpful to give me an idea. Maybe a direct comparison video??? 👍☺️
@@Jonathan-ff4wo I'd love to do a direct comparison, but alas, I don't own either DAC as they've both been on loan. It's a tough call, too, because they are so different, but if you're looking to offset your more clinical sounding devices, the Ares would definitely be preferable. If you're not in a hurry, it might also be worth holding off a couple of weeks for another review I have coming - the Schiit Bifrost 2. I can't say yet exactly where it sits in the analytical-warm continuum, but it might be a nice balance point based on my early listening...
@@PassionforSound yeah it's gonna be a tough call. My amp and monitors are primarily neutral and clean to a fault lol. So choosing a DAC that is just as much fun as it is accurate/neutral will be an interesting challenge. I have a feeling that a LOT of the character of my system is gonna come from the DAC. Can't wait to see your schitt bifrost 2 review. Great channel by the way! If you wouldn't mind doing me a favor, maybe speak on the bifrosts latency? That would be a helpful thing to know. ☺️✌️
I decided to upgrade from the onboard DAC in the DMP-A6 to the Ares II (well technically it's now the Enyo 15th). I was really impressed with the improvement in sound quality, but after 3 days the unit has died. It will no longer power up at all. Tripled checked everything and the unit is most certainly dead. I purchased direct from Denefrips, so we'll see how they respond. It's not a good sign of their quality that the unit lasted all of 3 days before going belly up.
@@PassionforSound It sure sounds like a blown fuse. Sadly with the newer cases on these units, the fuse is no longer easily accessible from the back on the outside of the unit. It's still easy enough to check the fuse as it's just 2 screws on the back of the unit to pop open the top lid, but I wouldn't want to void my warranty. Keep up the great reviews Lachlan! I really appreciate your content.
REALLY great review. Comprehensive, and intuitive to the nature of why we would be concerned with the differences. Curious as to how the Modius and the Ares II compare to the Airist audio R2R dac. I ended up with the Airist after your review of it, and now love it. But would now be interested in the Ares due to its power supply and outputs (and everything else it offers).
Hi John, I wish I still had the Airist to confirm this. I don't think it had the soundstage chops of the Ares II, but is probably comparable to the Modius in overall sound quality (all from memory). The Ares II would likely be a nice upgrade if you like the smooth and spacious sound of R2R designs
The Airist dac was really mediocre even comparing it to delta-sigma dacs around the same price. The only thing the Airist dac had going for it was a deep soundstage and forward midrange. I think the Ares II would be a big step up from it.
Hi Brandon, I'm not so sure because what you've described of the Airist (which I tend to agree with) is quite similar to what I heard from the Ares although the Ares is probably thicker and smoother sounding
@@PassionforSound There is no way the Ares II is as lacking in detail as the Airist... The Airist was one of the least detailed DACs I've heard. The measurements between the Ares and Airist alone would suggest that the former should have way more detail and better sound reproduction. I'm not so inclined to believe that measurements are everything, but they do play a role in the accuracy and detail level, at least in my experience.
@@luckyupyours Hi Brandon, I’ve had the Airist for some time now. Although I’m inclined to eventually move up to the Ares -not just as a sound upgrade but also for added inputs and balanced outs - I’ve been absolutely enjoying the Airist. Can’t say I wouldn’t get some great detail/stage/enjoyment from a high quality delta sigma, but I can tell you that everything about the Airist is head and shoulders above a Schiit Modi II it’s replaced in every single way. So much so, that I don’t find myself starving for detail, whatsoever. Going to a nearby HiFi shop with T+A front end, I still don’t hear that much more than what I get from my humble system with the same tracks (at least as far as detail is concerned). That Airist is really well designed and constructed for the $. The main thing that trades in where R2r is concerned is a second order harmonic (effect) that byproducts in a way that you don’t get from delta sigma. They don’t measure well for good reason. But I’m just illustrating a point here, you’re absolutely correct about the measurement comparison and validity therein. I’d say the Airist is at the “barely acceptable” range of measurements there. But man, it does sound great (to me) nonetheless. Don’t know...your system is most likely on another plane than my baby system 😊🤷🏻♂️
Hi tere and thanks a lot for the clip and for sharing what you think about the Ares2. I wonder how the Denafrips Venus would compare to the Chord Hugo TT2 regarding soundquality, analogueness etc. I wonder because I tested the Ares 2 and the Qutest... and I was impressed how well the Ares2 did sound for less money. It sounded more analogue and more full bodied to my ears than the qutest. The Qutest won in terms of detail reproduction, transients and holographic imaging, but sometimes sounded a bit artificial. So the Ares 2 is a big surprise for the money.
Love your reviews man. In case it helps on certain headphones we can hear your mic touching your chest which adds some muffle I think. Great review regardless
I recently compared the Ares 2 to the Chord Qutest with the Chord running a linear power supply. The Ares 2 isn’t to the level of my Chord Qutest. The Qutest is more resolving and delicate with a lot more air & open, effortless stage while also reproducing vocals and instruments that seem far more realistic. Ares 2 is a more laid back, pleasing sound that would suit my system if it wasn’t for the other many downfalls in comparison imo. Maybe the Pontus or Venus could be ok but the Ares 2 is turning me off trying their higher levels.
A well defined review. Do also try Aune products they r amazing, again coming from China.Been using their S8 magic dac ,were you can roll the op amps.That was really cool.I tried it with jrc they give along as well as Burson .
I have a question regarding all this discussion on dac’s lately (especially delta sigma vs R2R). Do reviewers not put too much emphasis on comparing the Dacs standalone? After seeing a video of Thomas and Stereo I was reminded again on the impact of matching and pairing and the importance of the preamp in the signal path. So would the combination of a good delta sigma Dac with a smooth and airy sounding (tube like) preamp not give you best of both worlds? In particular a preamp that allows you to change opamps? I think this actually is how most integrated amp manufacturers in the HiFi world work, they never use R2R (to my knowledge). And I also think this is how Burson has developed there top of the line integrated Dac/preamp/headphone amp (Conductor series), which uses the ESS9038. On their website Burson claims the following: “Some DAC/Amps claim to give you the front row experience in exchange for less soundstage. Others promise a 3D soundstage in trade for fewer details. The Conductor 3 Performance simply gives you everything in the recording, without sugar-coating, the good and sometimes the ugly.” My current thoughts are that the RME ADI-2 / Burson Soloist combo might actually give me best of both worlds. Because you get all the EQ features from the RME, including the neutral headphone outs for analytical listening and than you connect the Soloist as perfect (pre)amp to balance out the soundstage and smooth things out for enjoyment listening on both headphones and speakers. I would be very much interested to see if that combo would be similar in performance to the Conductor series and also if the Conductor can live up to its expectation set by the manufacturer. From what I have read so far, that might be the case. Also from an economical point of view the RME/soloist combo would be the ideal solution, because in a few years time you could replace the RME when technology and dac chips advances and add new op amps to the Solist when they improve. I will be receiving the RME for tryout later today :)! I currently still use the Aune Magic X8 dac which also has this swappable opamp functionality.
There's definitely a lot to be said for synergy, but with SO many variables, I don't think reviewers can possibly make clear cut recommendations. For example, I might recommend a combo based on listening with my Meze Empyreans, but what if you have HD800s? Or the original Beyer T1? You may need a vastly different setup based on every element in your sound chain. I think it's best that reviewers stick to standalone reviews, ideally with comparisons for context. After that each person needs to work out what their tastes are and therefore which piece of the puzzle is right for them next.
@@PassionforSound I hear you and I agree, to a certain extent but I also at least theoretically agree with the statement on Bursons website. Up to yesterday I was under the impression that I had to chose between either a delta sigma or R2R dac and that I had to live with the downsides of either (or go for a much more expensive DAC). But actually my conclusion is that apparently there is a lot you can do in the preamp stage (so not talking about power amp or speakers/headphones here) to overcome most of the shortcomings in terms of holographic soundstage, imaging and smoothness of the presentation (without losing detail), which seems to be a much more (cost) effective solution and therefore very relevant to this whole DAC discussion. It actually made me understand the relevance of the opamp switching function on my Aune X8 dac. Based on this reasoning I actually think that the renewed interest in R2R dacs is more a hype created on CZcams channels because people are focussing to much standalone sound of the dacs and somewhere along the line lost the knowledge and benefit of a good preamp for this exact purpose, especially in the head-fi space. Maybe I am completely wrong, but seeing that realisation moment yesterday confirmed on the website of Burson today, just confirmed my believe. I off course need to try it out for myself, but provided you also will get the Soloist this is something that you also could consider to add for future video’s, hence my question and contribution. This is not in any way meant as criticism, because you do excellent reviews and I know your knowledge is growing quickly with each review.
All fair points, Gerard, and no offense taken. I really like Burson as a brand and Alex, who I deal with, is a great guy, but do beware that each company has their own explanations to justify their own philosophies and they often contradict one another. For example, Rob Watts will say that his WTA filters and FPGA are the only way to correctly do D/A converting. Burson will tell you that it's fine to be limited by integrated chip-based designs because you can pick up the slack with the amp, and Schiit sit somewhere in between with a mixture of chip-based, Multibit, integrated outputs and discrete outputs all depending on the price point. What all this means to me is that we as consumers have to each decide what resonates with us and to find the best possible solution for our tastes and with our available budget. It's all great conversation and I appreciate you sharing your journey (and take no offense). The biggest thing I've learned over the 18+ years I've been involved in the hobby and industry is that we need to trust our ears and our tastes first and foremost while still having an open mind to explore the claims of manufacturers and opinions of others.
Evil Dub sorts the men from the boys. Try these: Hot Chip - Motion Sickness Monolake - Geometry Engine Dario Cellamaro - Drums for Giampiero Plug (i.e. Luke Vibert) - Flight 78 Zombi - Earthscraper Have you ever listened to a Musical Paradise MP-D2?
IMHO if you are after the most realistic, natural sound out of the Ares II -then go NOS all the way :D Pianos and horns just sound more like they are in the room with me.
Do you consider this a fuller sounding DAC? I’m planning to upgrade from SMSL DA-9 to the Topping PA5 amp which some reviewer recommended to pair it with a fuller sounding DAC. I have the Loxjie D30 DAC which I think not a fuller sounding DAC which I’m also looking to upgrade. On all the DAC that came across your desk which one is a good choice to pair with the Topping PA5. Hope to hear your recommendations. Since I don’t have a streamer yet, I’ll be listening to CDs for the most part. Thanks for the reviews and keep it coming.
Thanks for another great and highly detail video! In this comparison was your D50s fitted with the stock Opamp? You made a great case here for the Schiit Modius, have you compared it to the R2R Modi Multibit since it might be closer to the Ares? Finally, I'm debating between getting the E30 or one of the Schiit DACs (Modius / Multibit) given the price of Denafrips - would appreciate your 2 cents. Thanks!
Hi Stefan, yes, I've kept the D50S stock op-amp in place so comparisons are with the retail sound characteristics. I haven't heard the Modi Multibit so I can't directly compare. I have a review of the Bifrost 2 coming soon, but it's still a few weeks off...
I currently own a Chord Qutest and although I love the sound that comes out of the unit, I am really curious about R2R DACs and was wondering if it would make sense to purchase this one to see what all the fuss is about.
Personally, I wouldn't bother. If you like the Qutest sound then this is giving you less resolution, less sense of attack/articulation and the only benefit is maybe a slightly larger soundstage. I think you'd have to go to the Pontus II if you want a sound that's a sideways step from the Qutest (or maybe slightly backwards) and not a clear downgrade as I feel the Ares II is. Of course, this is all with headphones. Many people love the Ares II with speakers so that might be a different story
Hi Lachlan, love all your videos. Just a quick question. I'm thinking of getting the Ares II / ENYO 15th. I currently run a Mojo 2 as a DAC only through a Burson Composer 3XP as a desk headphone (Focal Celeste) setup. Is the Denafrips ENYO 15th a step-up compared to the Mojo 2 DAC only if I'm chasing a more spacious, holographic sound stage, or is it a sideways move? I'm waiting for the Qutest 2 to come out (it's been 5-6 years so I'm sure there's new version in the pipeline) and would love to have that. All the best and thanks in advance.
I'm glad you're liking the reviews! I haven't tried the ENYO so can't comment on that specifically, but I do know that I wasn't a fan of the Ares 2 and would choose the Mojo 2 over it. Sorry I can't give you more clarity.
@Harvy75a I'm unlikely to review that one because the local distributor is a small business so loaning out demo units for extended time can be tricky for him.
Owned the Aries II for a month. Built well and didn't have features I wouldn't use. Got rid of it and went back to the DAC in my Vincent 500 integrated. The sound to me was not engaging, kind of dull. Initially when I got into digital, didn't care for the harshness, The Aries seemed to go too far in the other direction.
At my age I'd be very surprised if I can hear anything over 8kHz, so 20kHz is long gone. Nevertheless I can still enjoy my music and get as much out of it as I ever did. I have quite serious tinnitus but this has never fazed me or forced me to abandon listening. I've only just gone down the dac rabbit hole and my preference I think is going to be r2r. I own a Marantz CD6004 which uses the apparently reasonable CS4398 D/S chip. I used to own an ancient Adcom CD player with TDA1541 X 2 chips, which I now understand to be a superb chip, much sought after today even if it went out with the dinosaurs. Wish I still had the bugger.... My only dip in the water so far has been a super cheap TDA1543 dac which sounded really nice to me, until it failed after a day. It sounded definitely different to the CS4398, more aggressive possibly, a quite raw sound but with odd details evident I hadn't heard before. These extra details reinforced my growing belief that there just might be something to using an outboard dac, especially r2r. I don't think my budget at the moment will stretch to a fairly expensive dac like the Ares, but if I progress on this journey with r2r I could stretch things. I've got a MUSE Mini dac on order with 1 x TDA1543 as opposed to the 4 x TDA1543 Muse that is currently out of stock. My fear is that of spending big $$$ for something I'd be unable to appreciate with my tinnitus, so 60 Aussie mung beans delivered for this Muse dac is more appealing in case it's all for nought.... No real questions for you dude. I've enjoyed the few videos I've watched thus far and subscribed....
Thanks for subscribing and good luck in the DAC hunt! Don't be put off by the fact that your high frequency hearing has declined. Most of what matters in music happens well below 8kHz 😉
Do you have any plans to review the Denafrips Pontus or Venus. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts given your comments on similarities to Chord. I currently have a Qutest and don't know if I'd consider upgrading to the Chord Hugo TT2 (too expensive at $8.8K). I don't think there is a chance of auditioning either the Pontus of Venus in NZ. The price proposition is very favourable vs Chord. Even the Terminator is $1,500 less that the TT2. Keep up the great work, all the best - Peter.
Hi Peter, yes I plan to review all of the Denafrips DACs eventually and the local supplier (Dacmanaudio) is great at getting the gear to me when he can. I can't say exactly when, but it will happen.
Hello, you are making great reviews, very informative and helpful. I have a question and I need you advice if you don’t mind. I have the ADI2 DAC with RNHP amp driving the Aeon flow open/ Sennheiser HD650. I value timbre and tonality most and sometimes the ADI 2 can be a little flat if that makes sense despite that the amp that I have gave a definitely a more organic overall sound boost. If you would have to choose between new headphones or the Aries2 as an upgrade/experiment what would be your choice (best investment)? I wonder how much I will benefit from an organic sounding dac or move to something like ZMF headphones at 1K euro price point... Thank you in advance! Can’t wait for more videos to come.
Hi Alex, I'm glad you're liking the reviews! As for your question, if the HD650 is not providing enough character/depth then I think you definitely need to consider a different DAC. The Ares 2 is certainly going to provide a lot more space, but you're also going to lose a fair bit of resolution from what you're used to. That's not to say it's a bad choice - I just want to make sure you know the trade off. Other options that would help are the Bifrost 2 from Schiit and the Chord Qutest. Good luck! 🙂
Hi, 'm a subscriber to your channel and considering buying a Pontus. However, I have read that improvements from the Ares, which I now have, are accompanied by a loss of warmth. I have Klipsch IV speakers. If there is a loss of warmth upgrading to the Pontus, depending on the amount, it might impact my system's SQ adversely. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this. Your channel is a must-read for me. Many thanks.
Hi Armando, thanks for your support! I haven't yet heard the Pontus so I can't say for sure if what you've heard is true. What I can say is that the Ares is definitely one of the smoothest and warmest DACs I've ever heard. Two options spring to mind: 1) keep the DAC if you're happy with it or (2) buy the Pontus with the knowledge that you might need to change your amp (I assume the Klipschs are passive speakers?) to something a bit warmer. The benefit of upgrading the DAC is that you can increase resolution and then adjust the tonality/colouration with a different amp, but that's an investment of course so depends on your appetite for the expense. Can I ask what you're wanting to achieve with the upgrade to the Pontus?
Stay with Ares 2.It is a end game DAC! No point to upgrade and upgrade thinking it is better.DAC's sound different and better is highly subjectable ...
To be fair, the Qutest is almost twice the price of the Ares. You generally get what you pay for when comparing really good equipment. Qutest should be tested again the Pontus to be more fair IMHO.
Hi Ryan, that's true on some levels, but the reason this video came about was a result of so many people asking me to compare the Qutest and Ares II. It seems they are seen as direct competitors by a lot of people regardless of price.
@@PassionforSound thanks for the perspective. Say a lot about the Denefrips products. Thanks for the great and detailed reviews. Keep up the great work
Hi Nurhan, I tested both DACs the Ares2 and the Qutest. For me the Qutest was more detailed and holographic but thinner in sound compared to the Ares 2. The Ares 2 is also more analogue sounding than the Qutest on my system. So, for the price the Ares 2 is far better value for the money. I wonder how the Pontus would compare to the Qutest...
Maybe I am too used to NOS sound signature, but I have yet to hear an OS DAC that sounds _more natural_ to me... Sure the sound get more linear and you pick up some excitement in the high end, but at what cost? If it is a choice of sounding more "live" like or not, then I will always choose the what sounds more like live performance. sorry...
No problems! I would still expect benefits with a DAC of the Ares II quality compared to the D50S which is ok, but will be a bottleneck for the overall performance of your system compared to the Ares II. You may or may not get a bigger soundstage, but the note weight should improve and overall realism too. Of course, do keep in mind that if your system is already particularly warm or smooth, it might be too much of a good thing.
Hi Junglist. Good point. I always test with headphones. I do use active speakers too, but don't tend to use them for testing purposes. I ran the Ares II into a number of devices like the Burson Soloist 3XP, Topping A90 and Bottlehead Mainline. Headphones included Meze Empyreans, HifiMan Sundaras, Beyerdynamic T1 3G and T5 3G. The Focal Clears and Beyerdynamic DT880 250 ohm LE might have made it into the mix too.
Thanks very much for your review. I currently own a Chord Mojo and HD 800s and was looking at upgrading my desktop DAC/ AMP combo. I'm considering a hybrid tube amp, either a Schiit Lyr 3 + Bifrost 2 (6.3mm Single ended connection), or a xDuoo TA-20 + Denafrips Ares II (fully-balanced XLR connection). When pairing with the HD 800s and mostly Classical and Jazz music, in your opinion, which combination do you think would be best?
I haven't yet tried the TA-20 or the Lyr 3 so that's a difficult one for me to answer, but I would definitely choose the Bifrost 2 over the Ares II unless you specifically want to smooth off the leading edges of the sound. The Ares II is quite soft in that aspect.
I read a comment that the Aries II might not pair so well with a tube amp, too much syrup. I have a hybrid class D with tubes in preamp (Rogue Sphinx V3). Do you have any thoughts on this line of thinking?
Tube amps get a false reputation for being all thick and warm, but it's not the case. I don't know the Rogue Sphinx so I can't say either way. I do think the Ares II needs a neutral amp and not an overly warm amp so base your decision on the character of your amp, not whether or not it has tubes.
Shame you didn’t still have the Qutest to compare, I’ve got a Modius since they were released and am thinking of an upgrade. I’ve been looking at these Denafrips units, but it’s very interesting to hear you think it might be lacking in resolution to the Qutest, I really like my Modius but the main criticism I have of it is it’s a bit too rolled off, so perhaps the Qutest is the one for me?! In truth I struggle to hear many/any differences in Delta Sigma DACs, so that makes me very reluctant to spend good money on another DAC with that design, I hope these alternatives are more obviously better. I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts on the Modius video too. (I’m a speaker user not headphone so maybe that’s why I struggle to hear the difference, still, I very much enjoy your content and respect your opinions and consistency on your DAC journey) Cheers
Hi Richard, I totally get your point about the DS DACs all sounding the same and I do think that speaker setups are less revealing of the subtleties than headphones. I would personally go straight to the Qutest if it were me. The Ares II is a nice DAC at the price, but it never "wowed" me like the Qutest. The other option I've got coming up for review is the Schiit Bifrost 2 which is a Multibit (R2R) DAC and is very promising, particularly at the price.
Passion for Sound yeah for the money then I’m certainly hoping for a bit of that wow factor, and I suppose being in the UK also makes the Qutest far easier for me to buy and deal with any warranty issues if the worst happens. Ah the Bifeost 2... another one that was on my radar! I ended up going Modius because at the time I got suckered by the measurements game on the ASR website, the Modius is a very good sounding DAC sure, but, I have some bad measuring DACs that basically sound the same too! I’ll def wait and see what your thoughts are with the BF2!
I'm wondering how this DAC would sound paired with the Singxer SA-1. I am planning to pair it with a pretty aggressive headphone so I hope the Ares II and SA-1 pairing would smooth the sound without sacrificing the details of the music.
Wonder how it sounds against the Metrum Acoustics Octave Mk ONE which uses UNnamed NOS Industrial NOS DACS which I have and sounds excellent.....great bass, nice midrange and smooth but detailed treble. I use it for CD's only with a CDtransport. Cheers. UK
Hi R00s, that's hard to say. I used to own the Gumby with Gen 5 USB and A1 board, but I can't say how it compares with the A2 version. From memory, the original Gumby had better detail retrieval, but not quite the expansive soundstage of the Ares II. Personally, I think I'd choose the Gumby because the lack of resolution was a noticeable drawback for me at times.
I think the d50s with the muses02 opamp and p50 power supply gives it that 3 dimensional experience that r2r dacs generally give. The soundstage on the d50s with muses02 is very accurate on placement of Instruments also. I’m only comparing it to a schiit modi multibit though. Are you using the muses02 in the d50s or the original opamp?
I also upgraded the power cable of the p50 and it made a positive improvement. I didn’t think I would be able to tell the difference and just bought the cable because I liked the way it looked. Very surprised to hear a difference.
Oh interesting, so you feel that DSD maybe has the edge in delta sigma dacs; whereas, with this one, PCM was better (not overly smoothed, comparable)? Do you feel, in general, that DSD is a 'better' format/codec, prior to this finding or not? Just was curious. Good video and review 👍🏼
Hi Joshua, I've found that a few DS DACs are better with DSD, but it's the minority. Most of the time, they're comparable with PCM and DSD. It's just something I like to test and it seemed to show differences on the R2R circuit. I don't know that DSD is inherently better. I think I've heard DSD sound better than PCM, but never heard PCM sound better than DSD, but it's a very minor and difference and depends on the DAC. The biggest issues with DSD for me are file size and availability
@@PassionforSound Oh, I would totally agree. That I've heard DSD technically be better than PCM, at times. But yeah, I do think it's an interesting format, that might be cool in same ways to see it get a second wind? I don't know for sure though; but yeah, file sizes are huge and not ideal for any of us, and it still hasn't caught on so to speak and maybe won't it looks like. That said, I can't deny that I generally mostly have liked what I've heard, if I'm being honest. By yeah, if it's not available for most of my music, then it's not something I use all that often, being it's not broad enough. But it is interesting 😄 thanks for the thoughts..👍🏼😁
Lately I've been enjoying Chesky Recoreds Great Audiophile Voices 1 and 2. Also Women in Song. Down loadable from their website or cds available on Amazon. Pristine recordings made in a church and not trifled with. Also, have you ever heard the Proprius recording Catante Domino. Again choral music recorded in church. Beautiful voices and ambience. Lachlan, It would be interesting to get your take on the Schiit Gungnir Multibit. My current Digital/Analog mangler.
Nice tips on the music. I've got a few Chesky recordings now and they're always great recordings. I used to own a Gumby, but it was an early version analog output. I did upgrade the USB to Gen 5 (before Unison existed), but haven't yet heard a recent model. There's lots of new stuff coming from Schiit so I'm not sure that I'll be able to get the existing gear on the channel at the moment, but we'll see...
Wow great review. Good comparisons with differences. A lot of reviews miss this important information. So does this dac improve the soundstage on your tube headphone amp? I’m after a dac with great detail and sound stage. I wonder if dacs make that much of a difference to tube amps.
Hi krmatiu, a tube amp should still be conveying what comes from the DAC (if it's doing its job right) so the Ares II will increase the perception of soundstage from a tube amp if the current DAC has a smaller presentation (which most do). As with all audio gear, the system will be limited by the weakest part of the chain so adding the Ares II to an amp with poor staging capabilities may be underwhelming, but if the amp is up to the task you should get great results
Yeah, I'm with you on that one. It seems to be much more preferred by speaker users rather than headphone users. Not sure if that's relevant to your use?
I'm ready to order the latest 12-1 version but am now confused. I thought you liked the sound. Also if there is a 2/3 second delay as @andersonsampaio5133 said, then there is no way I can use the optical input for my TV. That bit of info, if true, just saved me a lot of grief.@@PassionforSound
just wanted to say it’s extremely respectable of you to reply to these all questions one by one. as someone who is new to the hobby watching videos like these are really helping me broaden my understanding of audio. thank you.
So glad I can provide some assistance. Thanks for watching and commenting
The level of detail of your product reviews is remarkable. Fantastic work
Thanks David! I try to be as thorough as possible 🙂
Thanks for the link to Dacman. I contacted Stav and purchased the Ares II from him. Great customer service! Stav is terrific to deal with - plus he kept his discount promise when I mentioned ‘Passion for Sound’ - now some 8 months down the track. I love your CZcams channel, all the best, Antoine
That's great news! Thanks for letting me know, Antoine!
I'm planning to buy this DAC within the week - I really appreciate your thorough review, and I think you are doing an absolutely fantastic job with your CZcams videos, as I have watched several from your channel and they very well edited and filmed. I'm going to be pairing this DAC with the Burson Soloist 3X Performance Amplifier, and your review on this one was also super helpful. Keep up the great work!
So glad I could help! Enjoy your new DAC 🙂
Well did you buy it? And if so how do you feel about it?
@@marshallhughes4514 I did buy it and I'm happy I did. I've also got the Topping D90SE, and I enjoy the features and characteristics of both (Bluetooth on the Topping is a fantastic feature). I like that I have both Delta Sigma and R2R DACS in my collection, and the Ares II is reasonably priced. The sound on the Ares II is definitely more spacious and less fatiguing, and everything this video talks about is spot on.
It would be interesting if you could review the Ares 12th with all the firmware updates just to see how it stacks up against the Biifrost 2/64 now and Gustard R26, Yggy, etc. This is also your second most watched video so might make sense for you to review the 12th just for that reason alone. : )
I'd be happy to if it was easier to get demo units. The local market is fairly small so the distributor didn't carry spare demo stock at last check so timing a loan for review can be tricky
A very good and thorough review, indeed! Appreciate especially the comparisons to the higher and lower price ranges.
A big thank you from a new subscriber from Denmark, Scandinavia
Thanks, Mr Hansen, and welcome to the channel! Glad you enjoyed the review!
I thought Denmark is the capital of Copenhagen :-)
An update video may be worth while. Denafrips released their 3rd firmware update on July 5th, and it's the best take yet. More articulate bass, smoother mids and increased timbre and soundstage with no fatigue. Outstanding sonic performace.
I don't own the Ares II so can't do that one I'm afraid. Sorry!
I just acquired an Ares ii. How do I update the firmware?
You might be best asking on forums like Head-Fi, Super Best Audio Friends, StereoNet, etc.
For anyone with very analytical speakers like Focal or B&W (I have an a pair of older Matrix 804s) this DAC provides a welcome smoothness in the highs that my tweeters desperately needed. Or at least, I needed.
Hi Craig, that makes sense that the Ares II would be a nice solution for brighter setups.
Great! I have the Ares ii and absolutely love it. It’s only $670 or so here in the US but quite a wait. I am planning to move it into my office with my secondary system and buying the Pontus for my main system.
Nice! I'm really looking forward to trying the higher level Denafrips offerings. I like the Ares II, but just wish it had a little more resolution. I expect the Pontus will be a really great DAC.
@@PassionforSound Plenty of people love the Pontus and the Terminator, but for my money if I was going to upgrade my Ares II I'd probably look at a Holo, most likely a Holo Spring V2 Level 2.
Yeah, they're on my list of products to try and source next year, VM
My first R2R Dac is arriving tomorrow! Excited to hear it... Holo Audio Spring KTE dac
Nice! I've heard good things, but yet to try one myself. Enjoy your new DAC!
I was considering one of them but I got a good deal on an Audio Music DAC/1. It’s astonishing.
May was one I wanted not the spring.
such a great review channel really, you are able to explain things very well, deeply and easy to understand. not an easy ting to do, specially when having to talk audio. Best dac advise around.
Thanks so much, Exodus. Glad you're finding it helpful!
I would like you to review the bifrost 2 and compare it with the ares 2 and d90. Great review and I enjoy your content!
Thanks emilsal, it's already underway! 🙂 Jason from Schiit recommended the Bifrost 2 during my interviews with him (in the next part that will post in a bit over 1 week from now). I've got it here now and I'm very impressed. Stay tuned!
Who was it that said the Topping gear lacks Depth in the soundstage? Anyways, wouldn’t it be great if we could audition these DACs before committing.
@@JetEarlewood are you talking about me? I have definitely found this to be a trend with most integrated gear, not just Topping. The Bifrost 2 uses an integrated output stage, but it has some interesting qualities...
Agree, it would be great if auditioning were easier. That's why it's great there are multiple reviewers with different tastes and preferences. Hopefully they/we can paint a good picture for you to help the decision.
I recently bought some new speakers. They are JBL Stage A180's. They are warmer than my old PMC FB1's. I ran the FB1's with the slow filter and that was good. That filter did not suite the JBL's at all. The fast filter is much more enjoyable, changing made a positive difference. Moral: just do the experiment with your speakers and just do not just elect and stick with the slow, warm setting as some have suggested. Thanks again for a very thoughtful review.
Thanks for sharing that Dr Robin and great advice! It's ALWAYS worth trying each different option no matter what anyone else has said. I had a similar experience "breaking the rules" and using the high output impedance setting on my Mainline amp with the relatively low impedance Focal Clears. The results are very enjoyable!
I was hesitant to purchase the Ares II, as every DAC I have owned are all clinical sounding to my ear. Listening fatigue set in within a hour, even casual listening, it was unbearable, mid tier DACs, roughly in the $1000 +/- range, Schiit Gungnir was one of them... Well, after so many glowing reviews I bit, and damn glad I did! Huge sound difference to my ears, no more fatigue, music is now enjoyable to listen to and I can play my system all day long now without having to turn it off. I see a Pontus II in my future. I mainly listen to R&B, Jazz and some classic rock. I use my old OPPO BDP-83 and a GeerFab D.BOB to get native DSD to my Ares II, love my SACDs...
In fact, my experience with Denafrips was so incredibly good, that I went and bought their Iris DDC, their Hades preamp and their Thallo amplifier. I have the KLH Model 5 speakers and I have to say the sound out of this system still knocks my socks off. And the few folks that have heard it are impressed to say the least, their smiling faces, head bobbing, a hell ya every now and then, along with some serious toe tapping give away their true thoughts.
It seems the Ares II is a great match for speaker setups. So glad you're enjoying it!
@@PassionforSound DACs do matter. And thank you for the very professional reviews, they are greatly appreciated. ;-)
I really enjoy your channel you communicate your thoughts well and get to the point. Peace
Thanks Cruzing! Glad you like the videos. Thanks for watching and commenting
very surprised to hear that Modius sound close to Ares II. can't wait for the Modius review!
Coming soon! 🙂
This was my first look at Passion For Sound. I thought you did a very good review. It was laid out well with intelligent comments. It was also well paced. Your photography was excellent. Your "B" roll was as good as the "King of B Roll" himself - J. Darko :) As an owner of an Ares II your comments has influenced me to revisit the up-sampling options on this DAC. Maybe I dismissed them prematurely. However, one correction with the price in US dollars. The US price right now is $755. I think you mistakenly referenced the price in Singapore dollars in the video.
Thanks Tom! Glad you liked it!
For this review I quoted the local AUD price and just a conversion from AUD to USD because I didn't know how it was priced elsewhere. Thanks for clarifying the cost in the US!
Top-notch review! Full of relevant information that I enjoy learning and thinking about. Thank you.
So glad it was helpful!
Particularly interesting and incisive remarks on the timing aspects.
Thanks Graham!
Outstanding vlog. Really appreciate your in-depth review.
So glad you liked it!
Nice accurate review. TQ!
I had the Pontus with me for a while. It’s got that ‘analogue’ sound. Basically, no electronic sheen. But pairing can be tricky. All depends on your favorite sound flavour.
But in terms of build, it’s superb. No complain at all.
Thanks MHN! That's interesting to hear about the Pontus. I hope to try one soon
Passion for Sound ... and you shall! Denafrips distributor, Alvin, is a swell guy.
Thank you for the great review !
I have the same experience !! using delta sigma (topping dx7s) and R2R (Audio-gd r2r 11), the topping is more forward sounding, 2D presentation and i find it fatiguing with some speakers; it's harder to enjoy the music, the R2R 11 has a 3D presentation, better tonality, smoother sound, really not fatiguing.
(When using upsampling to DSD on the topping, the sound has more depth and softness)
You're welcome. Nice to hear I'm not the only one hearing these differences! That's interesting that the sound of the DX7 improves with an upsampled signal, but I have experienced similar on other DS DACs I've tried.
Great work man! Amazing review!
Thanks Vergel! Glad you liked it!! 🙂
An interesting thing I find about R2R DACs (may not apply to the Ares II, but I own a Musician Pegasus), is that when you turn it on and start listening to it - you might feel that its not actually that striking or impressive sounding. The stage is definitely wide and open, but you're not hit with that clarity and dynamics you get from D/S. Looking at it critically, the background can sound a bit 'grey', the edges of transients feel rolled off - its not 'HiFi' like we imagine it to be. But the sound is presented in a way where once you get past that analytical side of your brain trying to parse what is good and bad about the characteristics of the sound, you can just listen and comfortably enjoy music for hours one song after another. Interestingly enough, I find that I often don't listen to music from start to finish, or I might skip sections more on a D/S DAC, while on my R2R DAC I will just click through and absorb the songs, and might even just let it go play whatever it finds and enjoy it. I feel like R2R DAC's just have this ability to draw attention away from themselves and let you just enjoy the music for what it is, while D/S DACs are going to highlight everything there is to hear and draw more attention to themselves in a 'HiFi experience' way.
I definitely agree about the comparison between R2R and regular DS DACs. I have briefly listened to the Pegasus and while I can't compare it directly to the Ares II, I feel like it's less rounded off than the Ares II.
I personally like Chord and Schiit Multibit DACs slightly more than the R2R options I've tried so far, but I think I'm with you in preferring R2R over regular DS DACs as a general rule. I'm looking forward to spending more time with the Pegasus for a review.
@@PassionforSound Based on my experience, it does feel like the multibit is a nice compromise between DS and R2R so
That's how I see them too
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You’ve clearly not heard an Audio Music DAC/1. R2r and detailed and sweet. It has it all. One of the best DACs ever created. It’s the one to buy imo but £13k RRP. Beats £40k DACs I’ve been told.
As an owner of the D90+A90 combo, I must admit I was always scpetical when watching your comparisons with the Bifrost 2 or the Ares II, thinking that you're exagerrating the differences. Whilst I haven't heard the former, I have recently bought the latter, and oh boy... It is different for sure. It has made me fall in love with my Utopia once again. Admittedly, it doesn't sound that great with my planar headphones (HE1000se), so you're right about it being a bit soft, it's all about the synergy here. But never before have I really been able to just turn the volume up on the Utopias and get sucked in. Admittedly - a little less punch and incisiveness, but the stage is deeper, more holographic, and instruments sound more real, more corporeal, the sound sounds full as opposed to hollow. I'll paste in below some comments I've made elsewhere in hope they help others watching this video thinking about purchasing this DAC:
1. OS mode with the Slow filter is the way to go. I could see myself sporadically using the NOS mode but only if I wanted to chill out, relax, or listen to music in the background without being moved by it. Otherwise it's just not enough in terms of impact, separation and detail.
2. First thing that struck me was the soundstage holography and depth - the opposite of the D90 which puts everything right in front of me. Ares II pushes music slightfly further away from me, presenting it on a bigger and deeper stage which makes everything sound more like a live performance as opposed to listening to a record.
3. Everything sounds smoother whilst still being clean and quite detailed. I am finding myself being able to listen at higher volumes without being attacked by any harshness (bear in mind that amp volume needs to be higher anyway as the Ares II is quieter than the D90).
4. For anything with real instruments, especially more relaxed tracks - Ares II makes it sound more interesting and more believable than the D90.
5. For everything requiring direct in-your-face impact, I think the D90 still hits a bit harder and can be addictive in its detail, accuracy and speed. Having said that...
6. The more time I spend with the Ares II, the more difficult it is to return to the D90 because, as someone has mentioned elsewhere, it feels a bit like going from listening to a performance to listening to a recording.
7. Ares II turns my Utopia into an easier-to-listen-to headphone, it seems to have a similar effect on the HD800 (the soundstage gets even bigger!). However, the HE1000se does not seem to have a particularly good synergy with it, I think it's because of the nature of the planar driver and its already softer/more laid-back presentation. The Ares II feels like a bit of overkill whilst the D90 gives this particular headphone the punch it needs. It's the other way round with the Utopia.
Very, very interesting... :)
Thanks for sharing your impressions and for testing it out for yourself! So glad you've had the chance to experience the differences first hand! Synergy is definitely a big part of it, but your comment about the realism of instruments from the Ares II is spot on compared to the D90 IME
@@PassionforSound Were you able to test the Ares II with different amps? Apparently, its output impedance is very high, my only amp is the Topping A90 whose input impedance is in turn exceptionally low. On paper, this is not a good pairing and perhaps explains why this DAC sounds "softer" than the D90 (despite having a way bigger sounstage and truly fascinating holography). The Ares's RCA output apparently has a lower impedance, so I'm going to get a pair of RCA cables to see if that makes any difference (been using XLR so far). I'm wondering if this issue is real and if a different amp altogether should be used with this DAC (I hope not...).
I don't recall now which amps I used it with. I did have the A90 back then, but I don't recall what else I had. The impedance issues could cause the softness too so it's possible that was a factor, but I can't confirm because I don't remember 100%
I just bought this, and I LOVE IT!! I preciously owned the Chord Hugo, and I enjoyed this better! Does EVERYTHING right! Great Review!
Thanks J Tay, glad you're enjoying your Ares II. Interesting to hear you're preferring it to the Hugo (which I haven't heard)
Looking forward to the Modius review. I have two and love them. beware they take forever to burn in.
Hi DR, good to know - thanks! I've got one or two other products to review first and then it'll be Schiit Week here on the channel with the Modius and Bifrost 2. Looking forward to the reviewing process for both of these!
@@PassionforSound Also, I agree with you about optical input. I have a glass medical grade optical cable and it has a purity that my Blue Jeans Coax cable cannot match.
@@doctorrobin3040 interesting! I really need to get myself a high quality optical cable
@@PassionforSound As a reviewer you need to resolve this stuff but it aint that cheap. But as a guess better value than many so called high end cables...lifatec.com/toslink2.html
@@doctorrobin3040 thanks for the link. I've looked at their cables before - should probably grab one and compare it to the stock cables I have and the slightly better aftermarket one.
I'm coming from a DS Dac and got the ares because schiit and chord is really expensive here.
My first impression is the lack of slam and crunch, though after listening for a few days, I appreciated the 'rounded' off edges. I am able to listen to the music without fatigue and still get a decent resolution.
I'm glad you're enjoying it, Christopher! There's always an element of system synergy here too so the Ares could well be a good fit for the rest of your source chain. I also agree that it's great to not have the edge and attack of most DS DACs
Great review, totally agree on each and every word you said. Especially the wrap up, as opposed to too many “jaw-dropping” comments I heard and read in the last year or so.
...and I own the Ares II myself.
Hi Saverio and thanks so much for sharing your thoughts as an Ares II owner. As much as I trusty ears, I always appreciate some confirmation! 🙂
@@PassionforSound you are welcome. Just to clarify my point of view given it may sound like I don’t like Ares 2 “that much”: while it may lose against others on the retrieval of the most subtle details that have an immediate impact and “wow-effect” when you listen to “gears”, it definitely allows me to listen to my music for hours without any fatigue, which in the last 16 years (and 4 different DACs) was only a prerogative of my turntable.
That’s why I kept it and I’m a happy owner.
That makes total sense!
Thank you for doing the video. I just noticed that discount not withstanding it is cheaper to buy from the Singapore dealer and have it shipped to both AUS and US.
Hi Oddi, I'm not sure how the pricing models work so I won't comment on that, but I imagine some of the costs may come from import duties and maybe the cost of local warranty support. I'm just speculating though so best to chat to the local supplier about the differences and see if they can assist
Evil Dub is one of my favourite tracks to test gear with. Another one you might want to try is The Sea by Ary... Very dynamic with lots of detail and swirling sounds.
Thanks for the suggestion! I've added it to my suggested tracks playlist for a future review 🙂
Very nice in depth review I have one and I totally agree with you I just love it best DAC I ever had
Awesome. Glad to hear I'm describing it right! And glad you're enjoying it!
I did a test of 6 coax cables below £40. Sound signature And quality varied alot on my system. Mogami cable was the best for price and sound in my opinion.amazon brand was better than some costing alot more. Be interesting to know what cable you used for the test. Nice review.
I can't recall what cables I was using at this time, but all high quality cables that I've selected through listening tests (i.e. not assuming expensive = better).
Great detailed review, thank you. Would love a review of the soekris 1421 dac and a comparison to this ares ii dac since they are at similar price points (and are both r2r ladder Dacs).
Thanks for the tip on the Soekris - that's a company I haven't yet reached out to
Another great review Lachlan.
My comparison to Qutest (for what its worth), Ares sounds better, less clinical, quite significantly better slam and more holographic. This to me, is is the best sounding DAC under $2000.
Hi Anu, thanks for sharing your thoughts. What were you feeding (amp and headphones) from the Ares?
@@PassionforSound Ares + Taurus MKII
The 2 best sounding DACs under $2k, Qutest & Ares
Area has slightly better slam and holographic, less detailed against Qutest, but these differences are quite negligible.
@@PassionforSound Headphones - Final D8000 , Focal Utopia , HD800s
Thanks for sharing, Anu. I found noticeable differences between the Ares and D90 / Bifrost 2 in terms of resolution, but the Ares II definitely creates the most depth in the soundstage out of those 3.
Waiting for your review Schiit Modius. Thanks
It's coming in a few weeks. It'll be Schiit Week on Passion for Sound - Modius and Bifrost 2!
@@PassionforSound there are comparison reviews from user, Bitfrost 2 vs. Modius. Their difference is very subtle. Saying if he was blind folded, he wont be able to tell which is which.
forum.hifiguides.com/t/schiit-bifrost-2/8334/268
That will be a result of equipment limiting the differences heard (i.e. THX AAA 789). I've done some blind A/B testing yesterday and while I was also slightly limited by the particular setup I was using, I could clearly tell the differences. Interestingly, due to the gear limitations I couldn't say which I preferred, just that they were different.
Great video and very helpful for your notes. Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure. Glad it was helpful 🙂
Best review of my actual DAC!!!👍
Glad you liked it, Andrea!
Nice shot out to Hans B!
Love Hans' channel!
Buyers be aware because almost all CZcamsrs don’t mention it, this DAC can’t be use for gaming and media consumption, because of a 2/3 seconds delay.
Good point. I tend to test most DACs for music listening only so this didn't come up for me
@@PassionforSound what R2R DAC in a price range of 1.000 do you recommend, and I can use for gaming
I don't actually know of one - sorry. Why are you focussed on R2R DACs specifically? You might have more luck finding a nice delta sigma option in that price range because the cost to produce R2R is always higher than an equivalent delta sigma due to the parts required in the R2R
@@PassionforSound which one delta contou recommend for 1.000?
Something like the Soncoz SGD-1 or Burson Composer would do very well. The Composer is a little higher in price, but because you can swap the op-amps easily, you can make the sound richer and warmer if you want to.
Hi,
Super review!
Im currently evaluating Bifrost Multibit/Bifrost 2 and Denafrips Ares II for my main 'music' listening setup (Marantz 6007 amp + PSB X2T Towers, currently using a topping with ESS9038q2 as dac in the chain)
I mostly listen to easy vocals (Ella Fitzgerald), 60/70s rock (Floyd, Led Zepp) jazz, some classical and new age/electronic. Source is through PC based hi-res streaming (Tidal) and some cds. I have a high affinity/preference for smooth and open/airy midrange with precise deep bass and holographic imaging with wide soundstage. Looking for that 'in room presence', black background, rolled off/less sibilant top end with an overall smooth sound signature.
In the Bifrost 2 review, you mentioned that the sense of space is higher with Ares II but bifrost has better resolution better. Most reviews of Denafrips mention that musicality, soundstage and holographic imaging qualities. They are around the same price point and offer all features (i need). Only plus i see for Denafrips is the higher bitrate conversion ability (beyond 24 bit 192) compared to Bifrost. The only flip side (rather tradeoff) is that Denafrips may not justice to most electronic music which requires slight more resolution that smoothness. You liked Bifrost more on most tracks than Denafrips (which might be a future possibility for me if i go for the Denafrips)
I value your reviews/views enough to be confused between the 2 now :) This is quite a leap for me (as i was earlier considering choosing between the Chord Mojo or Modi Multibit) but realized might as well splurge and close the endless upgrade loop.
Any chance you can get me out of this choice pickle!!
Thanks mate :D
Hi Apurv, that's a tough decision based on your tastes. A couple of things to think about:
1) is high res really important to you? If you don't play anything outside of Tidal or standard FLAC then it's not an issue to worry about. If it IS very important to you then your decision is made for you 🙂
2) I would personally always choose the more resolving and natural sounding DAC because it is easy to adjust the sound with amps and headphones/speakers, but you can never get that resolution back is it's not there after the DAC.
The Bifrost 2 isn't overly sharp or edgy in any way. It's resolving and detailed, but I don't think you'll have troubles with it needing rolling off or smoothing. The Ares II probably fits your description of what you want for some of the jazz and similar music, but I do think you might feel a lack of energy when it comes to electronic music so unless you have other gear in your chain that really needs taming, I think the B2 is probably the better all around choice.
@@PassionforSound thanks for a well thought out revert. just the answer i was looking for!!
Cheers mate
You're welcome. Glad I could help
Oregon "Leather Cats" is a great track with some amazing double bass.
Cool. I'll check it out - thank you!
NOS mode doesn't always mean that you have to feed the dac with non-processed 44.1/48kHz data directly. NOS mode allows you to use your own high quality filters on your computer like SoX resampler.
Hi Terra, that's true. It's a layer of complexity more than I'd try to address in a review because it's a video of it's own, but great point!
Oh well now you've done it - and I was just about to pull the trigger on a Topping D70! Great review by the way, I'm subscribed and it was your take on the little Topping E30 that led me to buy the E30/L30 stack for headphone listening last week - wow, all I could keep saying was - how much did this cost again!! 😊 So for a laugh I took out my RME ADI-2 from the main system and popped the little Topping in... oh dear now I have to rethink price/features all over again! I had to tune down the brightness a bit with Roon DSP with the RME, but the little Topping turned what had been unlistenable glare into some kind of super tweeter detail? DSP off and I'm still listening - hence the thoughts about a D70 to see what that sounds like in my system? Have you heard one yet?
All the best
Tim
Hi Tim, thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm glad my reviews have been helpful. That's really interesting that you're preferring the E30 in your system over the ADI-2. While the ADI-2 does do some things better than the E30, I can understand what you're saying about needing to tone it down.
I haven't tried a D70 yet and I'm trying to take a break from Topping for a little while, but I'll probably check it out in the future.
Very nice reviews. I like the style and the detail. They are lengthy but not boring. I think that you could go for a review a step or two up in the Denafrips DAC catalog and get that extra resolution you are missing. I am interested in your point of view regarding the SMSL M400. Judging by the sound samples in another channel looks like it has resolution without the D90 harshness, closer to Ares II maybe (I own the Denafrips and I also notice a little lack of resolution).
Thanks Juan, I'll be getting some higher end Denafrips DACs to review in the future so stay tuned! I'll take a look into the M400 too - thanks for the suggestion!
Great review! Most detailed to date where it matters and I still understood the lingo
Great news! So glad it was helpful, Brian
I own the Ares 2 , the Schiit Modi R2R DAC and the Auralic Mini DAC. for me moving to the Ares 2 was an upgrade. I really like the Schiit modi r2r DAC but the soundstage and details on the Ares 2 are way better( to my ears). thestreamingmusic
The Soundstage fro DSD is much reduced compared to PCM. The good news is that when I convert DSD via Roon to PCM and then stream it to the ARES2 the music opens up again so that's what I'm doing as setup
Hi Hans, thanks for sharing. That's interesting about the Ares vs the Modi MB. I've just recorded my Bifrost 2 review (it's MB too) and I really like it compared to the Ares II, but it's also a couple of steps up in price and features.
I really like the Schiit products. Most components in my chain are from Schiit besides now the DAC. What i found interesting in my comparison is that the Schiit sounded at best with optical in while the Ares was at best with USB in. Both DACS were fed from the same endpoint that ( Aries Mini)
The input differences can be profound sometimes. I found something similar with my old Gumby DAC. The new Unison USB from Schiit seems to overcome that problem.
Very curious to give this a try. I had a chance to home trial a Chord qutest for a few days and was quite underwhelmed. It wasn't bad but I just not impressive enugh for what you pay. I ended up going with a Lumin T2 which I love, very holographic and three dimensional with great detail (especially after adding the S-Booster power supply. Thanks for the review, first video I've seen of yours... Subscribed!
Hi James, glad you liked the video and thanks for subscribing! It'll be interesting to see how you enjoy the Ares II. The T2 looks to be a serious piece of equipment so the Ares II might not best it either.
Another R2R ladder DAC is the Musician Pegasus. It is slightly more expensive than the Ares II - and actually may be made in the same factory. Maybe you can review it at some point? The Ares II is actually doing linear interpolation in what it calls NOS. I don't know if the Pegasus has a "true" NOS mode, but it apparently is the preferred mode for some folks.
I've actually got one here now, Neil (a Pegasus). It's got a slight issue (not the fault of the DAC) so I'm not sure when the review will happen, but it's in the works...
@@PassionforSound I am looking forward to your review, if things get straightened out.
great review & content. surprised how well the modius did against the ares2. Hope you can review the Bifrost 2 soon which is supposed to compete to the ares II (price-wise).
Hi mykeldg, the Bifrost 2 is here ready for review and it compares extremely well to the Ares II. Review coming soon...
@@PassionforSound awesome!
In my opinion R2R DAC’s for me are just to Lay back for me . I love clear bass a bit of grit. Rock like Deep Purple and the best of Queen
I generally feel the same, Joe. The Holo Audio May KTE was the first to really impress, but the others not so much
Curious if you've seen GoldenSound's video on the Ares II where his testing would seem to indicate that even in non-oversampling mode that the Ares II is still oversampling. He doesn't really factor it into the review of the Ares' quality or whether or not you should buy it; it was done more so to test the claim by the manufacturer. If true I would wager the Ares is not the only R2R DAC that is misrepresenting what its non-oversampling option actually means.
I haven't seen that one, but that's interesting to hear. It's always difficult for consumers to know what's really going on behind the buttons
I read this too. Denafrips have lied to Vinshine.
That's a bit sad if it's true and not a miscommunication (i.e. something like NOS even if not exactly NOS)
@@PassionforSound I found it surprising given how well the Ares II is received. For a niche product it has a lot of word of mouth endorsement so I hope they formally address the question.
I agree. I'm still shocked at how many people love that DAC given my experiences with it where I was underwhelmed. I had a recent comment asking about issues pairing the Ares II with some amps due to the high output impedance of the Ares II and the relatively low input impedance of some amps (e.g. Topping A90). I'm wondering if I need to revisit it...
Greetings from México! Congratulations, your reviews are always among the most complete and detailed. It would be very interesting to know your opinion about the Venus II. it´s not as expensive as the Terminator, but many describe it as very close regarding sound quality. It is also in the price range between the Chord Quetest and the Hugo tt2.
Hi Mauricio, I hope to review all of the Denafrips DACs in the future. It just depends on when DACMan Audio have units available for me to review. Stay tuned, I'll get there eventually :)
@@PassionforSound excellent! I’ll be looking forward for the coming reviews. 👍
I wish Amazon sold the Denafrips, but it seems to only be available in Singapore. To much of a hassle for me in the US. Looks like the Topping stack is still my first pick.
Hi Brian, there will be a local supplier I expect, but I'm not sure. Before deciding on which DAC to buy, wait for this week's reviews... it's Schiit Week!
@@PassionforSound I look forward to your Schiit video. Right now you have me convinced on the Topping stack still. Schiit stack is cheaper, but can it compete with Topping? I’ll definitely stay tuned in.
Not sure yet which amp I'd buy, but the DAC choice would be easy for me... 😉
@@PassionforSound This is why I’m watching as many videos as I can. I’m buying my Amp and Dac this month. But so far, your Topping stack video is in the lead for my money. Looking for the best pair with my 800s. Thanks again for all your replies, as I said you seem to be the only one that is helpful.
With HD800s, I'd probably lean towards the Topping stack myself. Otherwise, the Bifrost 2 and Asgard 3 from Schiit are excellent, but the Asgard 3 is probably a little less revealing than the A90 - I haven't checked yet to confirm.
Amazing review. I am very curious how you think this stacks up against the RME ADI 2 DAC FS for the DAC part obviously. I own the RME but I pair it with an external amp. Would I gain a lot of naturalness in sound if switch to the ARES II?
Hi Rhino, that's an interesting question. Based on my recollection of the ADI-2 (and not direct comparison to the Ares II), I think you'd be trading off resolution for smoothness/naturalness. The ADI-2 is very resolving, but it's also slightly clinical/edgy. The Ares II has zero edge and it creates a very rich and engaging sound, but it comes at the cost of lost detail. I found that the Ares II is best with classical music because it does space so well which suits large orchestral pieces. It's not as well suited to rock, blues, pop, etc. because they rely on the rhythm and texture more to create engagement. Not sure if that helps - hopefully it does.
If you're not in a huge hurry, maybe wait for my review of the Schiit Bifrost 2 before purchasing. It's early days, but I'm liking what I'm hearing!
A guy from head fi that I know, sold his RME adi2 and stayed with the Ares2, named dakchi, contact him for more information.
www.head-fi.org/threads/denafrips-ares-r2r-discrete-ladder-dac-close-up-view.833690/page-97
@@PassionforSound Wow that's super insightful. I'm a musician writing mostly orchestral music trying to make this very choice between these 2 DACS. I'm building a new home Studio/HiFi system consisting of the GR Research NX Studio Monitors and Orchard Audio edit: (Starkrimson; formerly Bosc) Monoblock amps. I just discovered the RME adi-2 line (both pro/DAC) and was amazed at the reviews and it's specs. But the Ares II looks so enticing. I'm torn. I like the RME for the dsp functionality and speed for non-latent performance, but I might prefer the Ares for its naturalness and engaging sonic qualities. (And I might need that quality of the Ares since both my amp and monitors will be VERY truthful, clinical, and revealing). I'll probably have to buy both DACS and AB them. Specs just aren't that helpful to me since my knowledge doesn't go very far into audiophile territory. But reviews like this are VERY helpful to give me an idea. Maybe a direct comparison video??? 👍☺️
@@Jonathan-ff4wo I'd love to do a direct comparison, but alas, I don't own either DAC as they've both been on loan. It's a tough call, too, because they are so different, but if you're looking to offset your more clinical sounding devices, the Ares would definitely be preferable. If you're not in a hurry, it might also be worth holding off a couple of weeks for another review I have coming - the Schiit Bifrost 2. I can't say yet exactly where it sits in the analytical-warm continuum, but it might be a nice balance point based on my early listening...
@@PassionforSound yeah it's gonna be a tough call. My amp and monitors are primarily neutral and clean to a fault lol. So choosing a DAC that is just as much fun as it is accurate/neutral will be an interesting challenge. I have a feeling that a LOT of the character of my system is gonna come from the DAC. Can't wait to see your schitt bifrost 2 review. Great channel by the way! If you wouldn't mind doing me a favor, maybe speak on the bifrosts latency? That would be a helpful thing to know. ☺️✌️
I decided to upgrade from the onboard DAC in the DMP-A6 to the Ares II (well technically it's now the Enyo 15th). I was really impressed with the improvement in sound quality, but after 3 days the unit has died. It will no longer power up at all. Tripled checked everything and the unit is most certainly dead.
I purchased direct from Denefrips, so we'll see how they respond. It's not a good sign of their quality that the unit lasted all of 3 days before going belly up.
Wow. Sorry to hear that! I hope they take care of you.
@@PassionforSound It sure sounds like a blown fuse. Sadly with the newer cases on these units, the fuse is no longer easily accessible from the back on the outside of the unit. It's still easy enough to check the fuse as it's just 2 screws on the back of the unit to pop open the top lid, but I wouldn't want to void my warranty.
Keep up the great reviews Lachlan! I really appreciate your content.
REALLY great review. Comprehensive, and intuitive to the nature of why we would be concerned with the differences. Curious as to how the Modius and the Ares II compare to the Airist audio R2R dac. I ended up with the Airist after your review of it, and now love it. But would now be interested in the Ares due to its power supply and outputs (and everything else it offers).
Hi John, I wish I still had the Airist to confirm this. I don't think it had the soundstage chops of the Ares II, but is probably comparable to the Modius in overall sound quality (all from memory).
The Ares II would likely be a nice upgrade if you like the smooth and spacious sound of R2R designs
The Airist dac was really mediocre even comparing it to delta-sigma dacs around the same price. The only thing the Airist dac had going for it was a deep soundstage and forward midrange. I think the Ares II would be a big step up from it.
Hi Brandon, I'm not so sure because what you've described of the Airist (which I tend to agree with) is quite similar to what I heard from the Ares although the Ares is probably thicker and smoother sounding
@@PassionforSound There is no way the Ares II is as lacking in detail as the Airist... The Airist was one of the least detailed DACs I've heard. The measurements between the Ares and Airist alone would suggest that the former should have way more detail and better sound reproduction. I'm not so inclined to believe that measurements are everything, but they do play a role in the accuracy and detail level, at least in my experience.
@@luckyupyours Hi Brandon, I’ve had the Airist for some time now. Although I’m inclined to eventually move up to the Ares -not just as a sound upgrade but also for added inputs and balanced outs - I’ve been absolutely enjoying the Airist. Can’t say I wouldn’t get some great detail/stage/enjoyment from a high quality delta sigma, but I can tell you that everything about the Airist is head and shoulders above a Schiit Modi II it’s replaced in every single way. So much so, that I don’t find myself starving for detail, whatsoever. Going to a nearby HiFi shop with T+A front end, I still don’t hear that much more than what I get from my humble system with the same tracks (at least as far as detail is concerned). That Airist is really well designed and constructed for the $. The main thing that trades in where R2r is concerned is a second order harmonic (effect) that byproducts in a way that you don’t get from delta sigma. They don’t measure well for good reason. But I’m just illustrating a point here, you’re absolutely correct about the measurement comparison and validity therein. I’d say the Airist is at the “barely acceptable” range of measurements there. But man, it does sound great (to me) nonetheless. Don’t know...your system is most likely on another plane than my baby system 😊🤷🏻♂️
Hi tere and thanks a lot for the clip and for sharing what you think about the Ares2. I wonder how the Denafrips Venus would compare to the Chord Hugo TT2 regarding soundquality, analogueness etc. I wonder because I tested the Ares 2 and the Qutest... and I was impressed how well the Ares2 did sound for less money. It sounded more analogue and more full bodied to my ears than the qutest. The Qutest won in terms of detail reproduction, transients and holographic imaging, but sometimes sounded a bit artificial. So the Ares 2 is a big surprise for the money.
The local Denafrips supplier here in Australia is great so I hope to review all the Denafrips DACs over time. Stay tuned 🙂
@@PassionforSound That would be cool. Thanks!
Love your reviews man. In case it helps on certain headphones we can hear your mic touching your chest which adds some muffle I think. Great review regardless
Yeah, I heard that too - sorry! I've got a new mic setup now so all the new reviews sorted sound better than ever. Glad you're liking the content!
@@PassionforSound awesome! Subbing you for life! Have a great one.
Thanks OLC!
Very nicely done - Bravo
Thanks, Mark!
@@PassionforSound they are a modern day of my Audio Alchemy way back in 1990 - Cheers
I recently compared the Ares 2 to the Chord Qutest with the Chord running a linear power supply.
The Ares 2 isn’t to the level of my Chord Qutest.
The Qutest is more resolving and delicate with a lot more air & open, effortless stage while also reproducing vocals and instruments that seem far more realistic.
Ares 2 is a more laid back, pleasing sound that would suit my system if it wasn’t for the other many downfalls in comparison imo.
Maybe the Pontus or Venus could be ok but the Ares 2 is turning me off trying their higher levels.
I definitely think the Pontus II is a significantly better DAC, but you might also want to check out the Bifrost 2/64.
I've got the schiit bifrost multibit, love it!
It's a great DAC!
@@PassionforSound I feel the same, and I could get it at a clearance sale
Nice!
A well defined review. Do also try Aune products they r amazing, again coming from China.Been using their S8 magic dac ,were you can roll the op amps.That was really cool.I tried it with jrc they give along as well as Burson .
Hi Rajnish, I've used some Aune in the past and liked them, but not been blown away. Sounds like it's time for me to revisit their gear
I have a question regarding all this discussion on dac’s lately (especially delta sigma vs R2R). Do reviewers not put too much emphasis on comparing the Dacs standalone?
After seeing a video of Thomas and Stereo I was reminded again on the impact of matching and pairing and the importance of the preamp in the signal path. So would the combination of a good delta sigma Dac with a smooth and airy sounding (tube like) preamp not give you best of both worlds? In particular a preamp that allows you to change opamps?
I think this actually is how most integrated amp manufacturers in the HiFi world work, they never use R2R (to my knowledge). And I also think this is how Burson has developed there top of the line integrated Dac/preamp/headphone amp (Conductor series), which uses the ESS9038. On their website Burson claims the following: “Some DAC/Amps claim to give you the front row experience in exchange for less soundstage. Others promise a 3D soundstage in trade for fewer details. The Conductor 3 Performance simply gives you everything in the recording, without sugar-coating, the good and sometimes the ugly.”
My current thoughts are that the RME ADI-2 / Burson Soloist combo might actually give me best of both worlds. Because you get all the EQ features from the RME, including the neutral headphone outs for analytical listening and than you connect the Soloist as perfect (pre)amp to balance out the soundstage and smooth things out for enjoyment listening on both headphones and speakers.
I would be very much interested to see if that combo would be similar in performance to the Conductor series and also if the Conductor can live up to its expectation set by the manufacturer. From what I have read so far, that might be the case.
Also from an economical point of view the RME/soloist combo would be the ideal solution, because in a few years time you could replace the RME when technology and dac chips advances and add new op amps to the Solist when they improve.
I will be receiving the RME for tryout later today :)! I currently still use the Aune Magic X8 dac which also has this swappable opamp functionality.
There's definitely a lot to be said for synergy, but with SO many variables, I don't think reviewers can possibly make clear cut recommendations. For example, I might recommend a combo based on listening with my Meze Empyreans, but what if you have HD800s? Or the original Beyer T1? You may need a vastly different setup based on every element in your sound chain. I think it's best that reviewers stick to standalone reviews, ideally with comparisons for context. After that each person needs to work out what their tastes are and therefore which piece of the puzzle is right for them next.
@@PassionforSound I hear you and I agree, to a certain extent but I also at least theoretically agree with the statement on Bursons website. Up to yesterday I was under the impression that I had to chose between either a delta sigma or R2R dac and that I had to live with the downsides of either (or go for a much more expensive DAC).
But actually my conclusion is that apparently there is a lot you can do in the preamp stage (so not talking about power amp or speakers/headphones here) to overcome most of the shortcomings in terms of holographic soundstage, imaging and smoothness of the presentation (without losing detail), which seems to be a much more (cost) effective solution and therefore very relevant to this whole DAC discussion. It actually made me understand the relevance of the opamp switching function on my Aune X8 dac.
Based on this reasoning I actually think that the renewed interest in R2R dacs is more a hype created on CZcams channels because people are focussing to much standalone sound of the dacs and somewhere along the line lost the knowledge and benefit of a good preamp for this exact purpose, especially in the head-fi space.
Maybe I am completely wrong, but seeing that realisation moment yesterday confirmed on the website of Burson today, just confirmed my believe. I off course need to try it out for myself, but provided you also will get the Soloist this is something that you also could consider to add for future video’s, hence my question and contribution.
This is not in any way meant as criticism, because you do excellent reviews and I know your knowledge is growing quickly with each review.
All fair points, Gerard, and no offense taken. I really like Burson as a brand and Alex, who I deal with, is a great guy, but do beware that each company has their own explanations to justify their own philosophies and they often contradict one another. For example, Rob Watts will say that his WTA filters and FPGA are the only way to correctly do D/A converting. Burson will tell you that it's fine to be limited by integrated chip-based designs because you can pick up the slack with the amp, and Schiit sit somewhere in between with a mixture of chip-based, Multibit, integrated outputs and discrete outputs all depending on the price point. What all this means to me is that we as consumers have to each decide what resonates with us and to find the best possible solution for our tastes and with our available budget.
It's all great conversation and I appreciate you sharing your journey (and take no offense). The biggest thing I've learned over the 18+ years I've been involved in the hobby and industry is that we need to trust our ears and our tastes first and foremost while still having an open mind to explore the claims of manufacturers and opinions of others.
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Have you ever listened to a Musical Paradise MP-D2?
Thanks for the tracks, Rude! I haven't tried a Musical Paradise yet. That and Holo Spring are on my to-do list.
IMHO if you are after the most realistic, natural sound out of the Ares II -then go NOS all the way :D Pianos and horns just sound more like they are in the room with me.
Interesting. I found the NOS too smoothed off and lacking in resolution
Strange question but- where do you get your instrumental music for portions of your videos ?
Hi Daniel, it all comes from Epidemic Sound and there's a link in the video description of you want to go and check out the platform. 🙂
Do you consider this a fuller sounding DAC? I’m planning to upgrade from SMSL DA-9 to the Topping PA5 amp which some reviewer recommended to pair it with a fuller sounding DAC. I have the Loxjie D30 DAC which I think not a fuller sounding DAC which I’m also looking to upgrade. On all the DAC that came across your desk which one is a good choice to pair with the Topping PA5. Hope to hear your recommendations. Since I don’t have a streamer yet, I’ll be listening to CDs for the most part. Thanks for the reviews and keep it coming.
I don't know the PA5, but the Ares II is definitely a fuller sounding DAC - one of the richest I've tried
Thanks for another great and highly detail video! In this comparison was your D50s fitted with the stock Opamp? You made a great case here for the Schiit Modius, have you compared it to the R2R Modi Multibit since it might be closer to the Ares? Finally, I'm debating between getting the E30 or one of the Schiit DACs (Modius / Multibit) given the price of Denafrips - would appreciate your 2 cents. Thanks!
Hi Stefan, yes, I've kept the D50S stock op-amp in place so comparisons are with the retail sound characteristics.
I haven't heard the Modi Multibit so I can't directly compare. I have a review of the Bifrost 2 coming soon, but it's still a few weeks off...
You can hear a difference between opamps ?
100%
Great review and suggestion of music. well done, subscribed.
Thanks Hugo! Glad you liked it!
I currently own a Chord Qutest and although I love the sound that comes out of the unit, I am really curious about R2R DACs and was wondering if it would make sense to purchase this one to see what all the fuss is about.
Personally, I wouldn't bother. If you like the Qutest sound then this is giving you less resolution, less sense of attack/articulation and the only benefit is maybe a slightly larger soundstage. I think you'd have to go to the Pontus II if you want a sound that's a sideways step from the Qutest (or maybe slightly backwards) and not a clear downgrade as I feel the Ares II is.
Of course, this is all with headphones. Many people love the Ares II with speakers so that might be a different story
Hi Lachlan, love all your videos. Just a quick question. I'm thinking of getting the Ares II / ENYO 15th. I currently run a Mojo 2 as a DAC only through a Burson Composer 3XP as a desk headphone (Focal Celeste) setup. Is the Denafrips ENYO 15th a step-up compared to the Mojo 2 DAC only if I'm chasing a more spacious, holographic sound stage, or is it a sideways move? I'm waiting for the Qutest 2 to come out (it's been 5-6 years so I'm sure there's new version in the pipeline) and would love to have that. All the best and thanks in advance.
I'm glad you're liking the reviews!
I haven't tried the ENYO so can't comment on that specifically, but I do know that I wasn't a fan of the Ares 2 and would choose the Mojo 2 over it. Sorry I can't give you more clarity.
I am waiting for the review of the new Denafrips Ares 15th
@Harvy75a I'm unlikely to review that one because the local distributor is a small business so loaning out demo units for extended time can be tricky for him.
@@PassionforSound thx for replying.
Owned the Aries II for a month. Built well and didn't have features I wouldn't use. Got rid of it and went back to the DAC in my Vincent 500 integrated. The sound to me was not engaging, kind of dull. Initially when I got into digital, didn't care for the harshness, The Aries seemed to go too far in the other direction.
I felt much the same about the Ares II - just a bit too soft and smooth for me too
At my age I'd be very surprised if I can hear anything over 8kHz, so 20kHz is long gone. Nevertheless I can still enjoy my music and get as much out of it as I ever did. I have quite serious tinnitus but this has never fazed me or forced me to abandon listening.
I've only just gone down the dac rabbit hole and my preference I think is going to be r2r. I own a Marantz CD6004 which uses the apparently reasonable CS4398 D/S chip. I used to own an ancient Adcom CD player with TDA1541 X 2 chips, which I now understand to be a superb chip, much sought after today even if it went out with the dinosaurs. Wish I still had the bugger....
My only dip in the water so far has been a super cheap TDA1543 dac which sounded really nice to me, until it failed after a day. It sounded definitely different to the CS4398, more aggressive possibly, a quite raw sound but with odd details evident I hadn't heard before. These extra details reinforced my growing belief that there just might be something to using an outboard dac, especially r2r.
I don't think my budget at the moment will stretch to a fairly expensive dac like the Ares, but if I progress on this journey with r2r I could stretch things. I've got a MUSE Mini dac on order with 1 x TDA1543 as opposed to the 4 x TDA1543 Muse that is currently out of stock.
My fear is that of spending big $$$ for something I'd be unable to appreciate with my tinnitus, so 60 Aussie mung beans delivered for this Muse dac is more appealing in case it's all for nought....
No real questions for you dude. I've enjoyed the few videos I've watched thus far and subscribed....
Thanks for subscribing and good luck in the DAC hunt! Don't be put off by the fact that your high frequency hearing has declined. Most of what matters in music happens well below 8kHz 😉
Do you have any plans to review the Denafrips Pontus or Venus. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts given your comments on similarities to Chord. I currently have a Qutest and don't know if I'd consider upgrading to the Chord Hugo TT2 (too expensive at $8.8K). I don't think there is a chance of auditioning either the Pontus of Venus in NZ. The price proposition is very favourable vs Chord. Even the Terminator is $1,500 less that the TT2.
Keep up the great work, all the best - Peter.
Hi Peter, yes I plan to review all of the Denafrips DACs eventually and the local supplier (Dacmanaudio) is great at getting the gear to me when he can. I can't say exactly when, but it will happen.
Hello, you are making great reviews, very informative and helpful. I have a question and I need you advice if you don’t mind. I have the ADI2 DAC with RNHP amp driving the Aeon flow open/ Sennheiser HD650. I value timbre and tonality most and sometimes the ADI 2 can be a little flat if that makes sense despite that the amp that I have gave a definitely a more organic overall sound boost. If you would have to choose between new headphones or the Aries2 as an upgrade/experiment what would be your choice (best investment)? I wonder how much I will benefit from an organic sounding dac or move to something like ZMF headphones at 1K euro price point... Thank you in advance! Can’t wait for more videos to come.
Hi Alex, I'm glad you're liking the reviews! As for your question, if the HD650 is not providing enough character/depth then I think you definitely need to consider a different DAC. The Ares 2 is certainly going to provide a lot more space, but you're also going to lose a fair bit of resolution from what you're used to. That's not to say it's a bad choice - I just want to make sure you know the trade off. Other options that would help are the Bifrost 2 from Schiit and the Chord Qutest. Good luck! 🙂
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much for your reply Lachlan! Have a good one :)
No problems, Alex! 🙂
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Thanks for the suggestions! I'll add them to my list
Great review mate. Have you tried the Pontus, Venus or Terminator? Curious. :)
I've got a video comparing the Pontus II with the Yggy, Musician Pegasus and Bifrost 2: czcams.com/video/weTHhG0X0pY/video.html
Hi, 'm a subscriber to your channel and considering buying a Pontus. However, I have read that improvements from the Ares, which I now have, are accompanied by a loss of warmth. I have Klipsch IV speakers. If there is a loss of warmth upgrading to the Pontus, depending on the amount, it might impact my system's SQ adversely. I would very much appreciate your thoughts on this. Your channel is a must-read for me. Many thanks.
Hi Armando, thanks for your support! I haven't yet heard the Pontus so I can't say for sure if what you've heard is true. What I can say is that the Ares is definitely one of the smoothest and warmest DACs I've ever heard. Two options spring to mind: 1) keep the DAC if you're happy with it or (2) buy the Pontus with the knowledge that you might need to change your amp (I assume the Klipschs are passive speakers?) to something a bit warmer. The benefit of upgrading the DAC is that you can increase resolution and then adjust the tonality/colouration with a different amp, but that's an investment of course so depends on your appetite for the expense.
Can I ask what you're wanting to achieve with the upgrade to the Pontus?
Stay with Ares 2.It is a end game DAC! No point to upgrade and upgrade thinking it is better.DAC's sound different and better is highly subjectable ...
I disagree that the Ares II is necessarily endgame, but that's up to personal preferences, budget, etc.
@@PassionforSound Well for me even my PC sound card sound fabulous! 😅 Costs 50 bucks!
Absolutely. Not saying the Ares II can't sound great, just tempering the suggestion that someone shouldn't consider higher level DACs.
A very comprehensive review. Thank you.From what I understand you prefer Chord qutest over Ares II.Right?
Thanks Nurhan, yes. Definitely would choose the Qutest over the Ares II.
To be fair, the Qutest is almost twice the price of the Ares. You generally get what you pay for when comparing really good equipment. Qutest should be tested again the Pontus to be more fair IMHO.
Hi Ryan, that's true on some levels, but the reason this video came about was a result of so many people asking me to compare the Qutest and Ares II. It seems they are seen as direct competitors by a lot of people regardless of price.
@@PassionforSound thanks for the perspective. Say a lot about the Denefrips products. Thanks for the great and detailed reviews. Keep up the great work
Hi Nurhan, I tested both DACs the Ares2 and the Qutest. For me the Qutest was more detailed and holographic but thinner in sound compared to the Ares 2. The Ares 2 is also more analogue sounding than the Qutest on my system. So, for the price the Ares 2 is far better value for the money. I wonder how the Pontus would compare to the Qutest...
Great video. Do you think this Davis better than the Chord Qutest?
Thanks cinqo! Do you mean the Dave?
Maybe I am too used to NOS sound signature, but I have yet to hear an OS DAC that sounds _more natural_ to me... Sure the sound get more linear and you pick up some excitement in the high end, but at what cost? If it is a choice of sounding more "live" like or not, then I will always choose the what sounds more like live performance. sorry...
No need to apologise. That's why it's good to have choices. We all like different sounds
Appreciate the comparison with D50S. Driving a tube integrated amplifier, would you expect any additional benefits with Ares ii vs D50s? Thanks
No problems! I would still expect benefits with a DAC of the Ares II quality compared to the D50S which is ok, but will be a bottleneck for the overall performance of your system compared to the Ares II. You may or may not get a bigger soundstage, but the note weight should improve and overall realism too. Of course, do keep in mind that if your system is already particularly warm or smooth, it might be too much of a good thing.
Great review, but you didn't mention what you were testing it with. Headphones? Speakers? Which models?
Hi Junglist. Good point. I always test with headphones. I do use active speakers too, but don't tend to use them for testing purposes. I ran the Ares II into a number of devices like the Burson Soloist 3XP, Topping A90 and Bottlehead Mainline. Headphones included Meze Empyreans, HifiMan Sundaras, Beyerdynamic T1 3G and T5 3G. The Focal Clears and Beyerdynamic DT880 250 ohm LE might have made it into the mix too.
Thanks very much for your review. I currently own a Chord Mojo and HD 800s and was looking at upgrading my desktop DAC/ AMP combo.
I'm considering a hybrid tube amp, either a Schiit Lyr 3 + Bifrost 2 (6.3mm Single ended connection), or a xDuoo TA-20 + Denafrips Ares II (fully-balanced XLR connection).
When pairing with the HD 800s and mostly Classical and Jazz music, in your opinion, which combination do you think would be best?
I haven't yet tried the TA-20 or the Lyr 3 so that's a difficult one for me to answer, but I would definitely choose the Bifrost 2 over the Ares II unless you specifically want to smooth off the leading edges of the sound. The Ares II is quite soft in that aspect.
I read a comment that the Aries II might not pair so well with a tube amp, too much syrup. I have a hybrid class D with tubes in preamp (Rogue Sphinx V3). Do you have any thoughts on this line of thinking?
Tube amps get a false reputation for being all thick and warm, but it's not the case. I don't know the Rogue Sphinx so I can't say either way. I do think the Ares II needs a neutral amp and not an overly warm amp so base your decision on the character of your amp, not whether or not it has tubes.
Shame you didn’t still have the Qutest to compare, I’ve got a Modius since they were released and am thinking of an upgrade. I’ve been looking at these Denafrips units, but it’s very interesting to hear you think it might be lacking in resolution to the Qutest, I really like my Modius but the main criticism I have of it is it’s a bit too rolled off, so perhaps the Qutest is the one for me?! In truth I struggle to hear many/any differences in Delta Sigma DACs, so that makes me very reluctant to spend good money on another DAC with that design, I hope these alternatives are more obviously better. I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts on the Modius video too. (I’m a speaker user not headphone so maybe that’s why I struggle to hear the difference, still, I very much enjoy your content and respect your opinions and consistency on your DAC journey) Cheers
The denafrips is great. You'll definitely hear a difference over ds dacs due to its big, warm holographic sound
Hi Richard, I totally get your point about the DS DACs all sounding the same and I do think that speaker setups are less revealing of the subtleties than headphones. I would personally go straight to the Qutest if it were me. The Ares II is a nice DAC at the price, but it never "wowed" me like the Qutest. The other option I've got coming up for review is the Schiit Bifrost 2 which is a Multibit (R2R) DAC and is very promising, particularly at the price.
That's a good way to describe it, Nate - big, warm and holographic.
Passion for Sound yeah for the money then I’m certainly hoping for a bit of that wow factor, and I suppose being in the UK also makes the Qutest far easier for me to buy and deal with any warranty issues if the worst happens.
Ah the Bifeost 2... another one that was on my radar! I ended up going Modius because at the time I got suckered by the measurements game on the ASR website, the Modius is a very good sounding DAC sure, but, I have some bad measuring DACs that basically sound the same too! I’ll def wait and see what your thoughts are with the BF2!
I can definitely say that the Modius is not as good objectively as the Bifrost 2, but it IS a great little DAC
I'm wondering how this DAC would sound paired with the Singxer SA-1. I am planning to pair it with a pretty aggressive headphone so I hope the Ares II and SA-1 pairing would smooth the sound without sacrificing the details of the music.
The SA-1 is really nice (I've reviewed it here on the channel) so it should be a good setup if you need a smooth sound that's still detailed
@@PassionforSound yeah I already watched that review too! Amazing review as always. Thanks!
Cool. Glad I could help 🙂
I enjoy your reviews very much and always look forward for your next one. I was wondering if you are going to review the Beyer t1 gen3?
Thanks Michael, glad you like them and yes I am! The T1 and T5 are queued up and ready to go. Next week is beyerdynamic week! 😁
Are all these DACs related to Soekris products? Just wondering since they sound similar to each other.
I haven't been able to try the Soekris DACs yet so can't say. Sorry
Wonder how it sounds against the Metrum Acoustics Octave Mk ONE which uses UNnamed NOS Industrial NOS DACS which I have and sounds excellent.....great bass, nice midrange and smooth but detailed treble. I use it for CD's only with a CDtransport. Cheers. UK
Hi Chris, I haven't heard the Octave, but might see if I can get my hands on one in the future
I am wondering how this would sound in comparison to the Schiit Gungnir MultiBit A2. Any help would be appreciated.
Hi R00s, that's hard to say. I used to own the Gumby with Gen 5 USB and A1 board, but I can't say how it compares with the A2 version. From memory, the original Gumby had better detail retrieval, but not quite the expansive soundstage of the Ares II. Personally, I think I'd choose the Gumby because the lack of resolution was a noticeable drawback for me at times.
I think the d50s with the muses02 opamp and p50 power supply gives it that 3 dimensional experience that r2r dacs generally give. The soundstage on the d50s with muses02 is very accurate on placement of Instruments also. I’m only comparing it to a schiit modi multibit though. Are you using the muses02 in the d50s or the original opamp?
I'm sticking to the original because it makes comparisons clear for people, but I agree with your impressions 100%
I also upgraded the power cable of the p50 and it made a positive improvement. I didn’t think I would be able to tell the difference and just bought the cable because I liked the way it looked. Very surprised to hear a difference.
Nice! I dabbled with power cables a while back, but haven't done much since.
Oh interesting, so you feel that DSD maybe has the edge in delta sigma dacs; whereas, with this one, PCM was better (not overly smoothed, comparable)? Do you feel, in general, that DSD is a 'better' format/codec, prior to this finding or not? Just was curious. Good video and review 👍🏼
Hi Joshua, I've found that a few DS DACs are better with DSD, but it's the minority. Most of the time, they're comparable with PCM and DSD. It's just something I like to test and it seemed to show differences on the R2R circuit.
I don't know that DSD is inherently better. I think I've heard DSD sound better than PCM, but never heard PCM sound better than DSD, but it's a very minor and difference and depends on the DAC. The biggest issues with DSD for me are file size and availability
@@PassionforSound Oh, I would totally agree. That I've heard DSD technically be better than PCM, at times. But yeah, I do think it's an interesting format, that might be cool in same ways to see it get a second wind? I don't know for sure though; but yeah, file sizes are huge and not ideal for any of us, and it still hasn't caught on so to speak and maybe won't it looks like. That said, I can't deny that I generally mostly have liked what I've heard, if I'm being honest. By yeah, if it's not available for most of my music, then it's not something I use all that often, being it's not broad enough. But it is interesting 😄 thanks for the thoughts..👍🏼😁
Lately I've been enjoying Chesky Recoreds Great Audiophile Voices 1 and 2. Also Women in Song. Down loadable from their website or cds available on Amazon. Pristine recordings made in a church and not trifled with.
Also, have you ever heard the Proprius recording Catante Domino. Again choral music recorded in church. Beautiful voices and ambience.
Lachlan, It would be interesting to get your take on the Schiit Gungnir Multibit. My current Digital/Analog mangler.
Nice tips on the music. I've got a few Chesky recordings now and they're always great recordings.
I used to own a Gumby, but it was an early version analog output. I did upgrade the USB to Gen 5 (before Unison existed), but haven't yet heard a recent model. There's lots of new stuff coming from Schiit so I'm not sure that I'll be able to get the existing gear on the channel at the moment, but we'll see...
Thanks for a great review. Would this DAC pair nicely with the Senn HDV820 Amp??
Hi Stephen, yes it should pair well based on my recollection of the HDV820.
Wow great review. Good comparisons with differences. A lot of reviews miss this important information. So does this dac improve the soundstage on your tube headphone amp? I’m after a dac with great detail and sound stage. I wonder if dacs make that much of a difference to tube amps.
Hi krmatiu, a tube amp should still be conveying what comes from the DAC (if it's doing its job right) so the Ares II will increase the perception of soundstage from a tube amp if the current DAC has a smaller presentation (which most do). As with all audio gear, the system will be limited by the weakest part of the chain so adding the Ares II to an amp with poor staging capabilities may be underwhelming, but if the amp is up to the task you should get great results
Thanks for the reply. I have Woo Audio WA22. I think it will reproduce as you stated. Thanks a lot. Really appreciate your help and your videos 👍
Glad I could help
Will you review the Pegasus R2R dac? I am curious to how they compare.
Hi Johen, that's one I don't think I've heard of before. I'll look into it...
I owned this dac for a month. Sold it. I really cant understand the hype and positive reviews?
Yeah, I'm with you on that one. It seems to be much more preferred by speaker users rather than headphone users. Not sure if that's relevant to your use?
I'm ready to order the latest 12-1 version but am now confused. I thought you liked the sound. Also if there is a 2/3 second delay as @andersonsampaio5133 said, then there is no way I can use the optical input for my TV. That bit of info, if true, just saved me a lot of grief.@@PassionforSound