I ordered my 88 GT from the dealer way back in August of 1987. I picked it up in November of 1987. I still have it in my garage today. Looks great and runs like new.
I love my 88 GT which I bought back in late 87. It never gets boring. mine has less than 56k miles and it in great shape. It has been a very reliable car after all the bugs were worked out during the warranty period.
When I drive my Black 1986 Fiero GT, it's a driving experience. It gets a lot of looks, and people 40 and under always ask what it is. I can appreciate becoming engaged with going through the gears of the 4 speed manual transmission while creating the crackle of the exhaust when downshifting. The way the road feels inches below you as you carve the pavement feeling the feedback through the steering wheel. It won't throw you back hard. However, it loves to be thrown around a twisty road. Anyone who owns or owns one knows exactly what I mean. That old saying "don't knock it, till you try it" rings true for the Fiero.
Thanks for the video. I was 23 years old when the 88 Fiero GT was new and a guy in my neighborhood had a red one exactly the same as the one in your video. It was definitely a great looking car back in the day and still until this very day. There is a way to successfully fit a Chevy LS 350 in the 88 Fiero. It will do wheelies with an LS engine and screaming fast.
That's one of the crazy things about a Fiero, and a lot of Pontiac design from the late 80's and early 90's. The body and interior designs have held up well.
Good ones are still out there for sale now and then, in surprising numbers, for a very affordable price...! Keep looking and your will find one, which will make you really happy. Especially if you do a 3800sc swap to transform it into what it was designed to be. Or find one that has already by transformed properly...!
We must thank you for a great review. Beautiful shots of a beautiful location. The Fiero 88 looks amazing, with this concept and design Americans can compete with the best European cars of the time. This part would be among the best even at Petrolicous, where the bar is very high. We are glad that Fiero received a positive review. We just used this car as the main car in a movie action comic United Fight, which we released, because there is one nearby with a colleague in the newsroom (Red 88 GT Fastback, origin buy in the import market of Germany, actually Czech Republic). Sadly, your American Pontiac ended up on ice. Fortunately, immortal models have remained and make us happy in Europe. Good luck to the US and Restomod. Thank you very much.
Fiero clubs are very successful and appreciate Fiero design and restomods with nice engine swaps, like the 3800sc. Hence the Fiero is very popular in Europe...! Especially Germany...!
You are so far above and beyond the qualification and expertise of Doug D., who is so self absorbed and ego driven, that he can't possibly give a good objective opinion on anything. You, on the other hand are an honest, intelligent sounding eloquent gentleman, who tells it like you see it, with no preconceived ideas or prejudice.
My first car was a 1987 Fiero GT 5 speed. These cars are very underrated. I drove it for 10 years as a daily driver. I used to work 17 miles to work and 17 miles back home. I sold it after racking up close to 100K miles. I currently have a 2010 Mustang GT with only 9000 miles that I drive once every 2 or 3 weeks. I'm looking for a 1988 red Fiero GT manual, with very low mileage. Once I find one, I'm selling the Mustang.
Hey I just wanted to say thanks for making a great video. I daily drove a 1988 Fiero GT for years, I feel that nobody cared too much for it back in the 2000s, but it's definitely looked at nowadays as a icon of the '80s and an extremely unique platform. It was a great daily driver, okay it took a little while for the heat to come on, with its complex cooling system, but I got my odometer up to 252,000 miles before I had some issues and I was broke in 2012, but I recently picked up another one, a black 1988 gt, 5 speed. A damn fun car
In 13+ years in my Fiero GT, my heater will dive me out unless I turn it down. Replaced the heater core only one time, because it was leaking. Cooling was an other story, but fixed it for good, by just swapping a bigger, higher cfm radiator fan motor...! It kept my 3.4 engine cool and now it keeps my 3800sc cool also...
This is the second time I've watched your exellent review on your extremely fair and objective critique of the '88 Fiero GT... And again I'd like to say "thank you," from a 13-year owner of my restomod love affair with my '86 GT. After four years driving with my 2.8 V-6, I did my own 3.4 engine swap, which enabled me to keep up with the fast lane, and even pass safely on the hwy., and climb mntn. passes without driving in the truck lane...lol Four more years and I did my own 3800sc swap, which turned my GT into what I call my quasi super car, because she is...! 300hp in a 2700lb sports car makes it want to fly. I wish you would do a follow-up test drive of the same like car, ('88) with a 3800sc engine swap, like mine, and see what you think..? Not only what the transformation is, but what the Fiero could have and should have become. You might mention that the designers designed it to receive an option small block V-8. That is why it's so easy to do all the engine swaps it is famous for. There are plenty of beautifully custom modified 3800sc cars out there to choose from, so whata ya think...? When our American fighter plane designers came up with the P-51 mustang to give us and the English an edge in the sky, but if fails, until that is the English replaced the American Allison engine with the European Rolls Royce engine, and made it the super plane that it was designed to be. That's what happened to the Fiero in my mind. The Fiero was a good looking dog, until those who knew what the Fiero really was, finally swapped the 2.8 with the 3800sc, which transformed the Fiero into a quasi super car, like mine...!
While the demise of the Fiero is often cause for debate, and quite passionately among Fiero owners like myself, the real shame is the 2nd generation never happened. If you google the 1990 Fiero GT prototype, you will see a slick and modern-looking car that will make you think 2-seater GTA Trans Am. 2nd gen engines would have likely included the Quad 4 (H.O. 180 hp versions appeared in the Chevrolet Beretta) and GTs may have gotten a version of the LQ1 3.4 DOHC (275 hp as originally designed down-tuned to a production 215-225 hp), or even a turbo 3.1 that found it's way into the turbo Grand Prix in 89-90 courtesy of ASC/McLaren . This all in a car much lighter and more nimble than the 250 hp, 3200+ lb. Corvette, 500 lb heavier than the Fiero. Also with an MSRP of around $15k for an '88 Fiero GT vs. over $31k for a C4 base model Corvette, you can certainly see why the Corvette boys and Chevrolet were worried.
I find it amusing that it has taken the general public almost 40 years to discover that 90% of the negative articles & reviews that were written about Fiero's were & are BS. The only reason I'm seeing positive articles now is because the Fiero's profile has risen in the last several years due to 80s sentimentality, nostalgia, and the passage of time. Regardless, I've said this in the past and I'm sure I'll say it again. but any shortcomings that the Fiero had can be laid directly at the feet of the GM Board of Directors, and GMs CEO Roger B. Smith. Ultimately it was these individuals who had the power to support the Fiero program, but they failed at it miserably. These individuals controlled how the P-Car program was funded, managed & ultimately killed. Every dollar they denied to the P-Car program affected the engineering, manufacturing, quality, marketing & sales. The only reason that the Fiero lasted as long as it did was because the public continued to buy them right up until 1988 when 23,630 Fiero's were sold. For comparison, there was 22,789 C4 Corvettes sold the same year.
I had an '84 Fiero SE. Nice thing about the heavy plastics on the car is you can kick the panels hard with your foot and it won't dent. I had the 4 cylinder automatic. When I added the split fire spark plugs I got more torque off the start.
Great video. You got a few minor details incorrect but it doesn’t make the video any less informative and really casts the car in a great light. Those of us who own them knew all along how good they are, glad to see the rest of the automotive world is catching up. Also great shots of the car in motion.
The WS6 is a package that was available on all SE and GT Fieros AFAIK. They all had fully independent suspensions, even the base models. The stock 2.8 L V6 was140 HP (135 in 88, measured at a different RPM). What makes the 88 model special also makes it the most problematic - the upgraded suspension (also factory T-tops, with no replacement seals available). As only a little over 20,000 were sold, many replacement suspension parts are almost unobtainium. The earlier years suspension has numerous upgrades available that can take it past the 88's stock handling. Not sure why you feel the vehicle lacks steering feedback as the lack of power boosted steering results in feeling every little road imperfection. The steering is heavy at slow speed, perhaps that is what you are sensing. As to looks, while a matter of personal taste, I think it still looks very contemporary, even better than many new sports cars. BTW, nice job with the live action filming. Very professional. I personally resto-modded an 86 1/2 (Getrag 5-speed replaced the Muncie 4-speed then) GT which I still own. I put in a modified (port matched, polished intake/exhaust, high lift roller rockers, etc.) 3.4 L engine, new hi-po clutch. All polyurethane suspension and engine mounts. Lowered 2" with higher rate springs. Rear stabilizer bar added. 17" wheels with max performance tires. Black interior (new carpeting) with racing bucket seats, new headliner, steering wheel upgrade, speakers. Monochrome red paint. Several body modifications to improve on the already good looks, etc. Paid $800 for the vehicle 10 years ago and my total investment is under $8000. Insured as a collectible for $8,000 zero deductible for $170/yr. Nothing new on the market that comes close can be had for less than $28,000 and I taught my oldest son auto mechanics in the process. If I ever get rid of it, it will be for a C8 Corvette, so I still have a mid-engine car.
WS6 is an RPO code for sport suspension option on a lot of different Pontiacs. It was included with the GT package, like the GT all had sunroofs and spoilers unless you optionally deleted them when ordering. There were 5 choices of spring rates.
Only one of many reasons 88 is the best. Another is the only year with an internally balanced engine which increases engine life and smoothness. Another is the monochrome paint. Another is the yellow paint. Another is the "factory option" T-tops. Another is the improved steering rack. Another is the different size rims and tires front and rear. Another is the gold and black rims. Another is the leather seats. Another is the lumbar seat. Another is the low production numbers. Another is the Formula model (poor man's GT).
@@jmorris023 Yea, who wouldn't? Truth be told GM made lousy manual trannys in the 80's and the T-tops aren't very practical. I have three 88 GTs, one of each: hardtop, sunroof, and t-roof. Also one manual and 2 automatics. Manuals have always been problems...check the forums for the thousands of repair help threads on clutches bleeding, grinding, rattling, cables, etc. Automatics are bulletproof from day 1 with practically 0 maintenance to get to 150-200,000...maybe one $20 fluid/filter change at some point. I've owned 5 fieros in my life: Spent a total of about $50 on transmission maintenance and maybe 4 hours of labor total on the three automatic transmissions in about 250,000 miles of driving and about $4000 on the 2 manuals total and probably 100 hours or labor (3 clutch jobs: 1 broken release fork, rebuilding slaves, masters, blleeding lines, adjusting pedals, et al on a total of about 80,000 miles of driving. The one I currently have still has a slight problem going into gear sometimes even with all the above. And T-tops look cool but are noisy and are a pain to remove. Sunroof can just flip back and give a nice vent of air to keep the cabin cool without the sun beating down and takes literally 1 second to flip open.
GM management killed the Fiero because they were concerned that the planned changes for 1989 and forward, might have put it in competition with the Corvette.
I own an 84 Fiero, she's such a blast to drive! She's still got The Iron Duke, I don't think I will ever swap for a V6 or anything, I want to keep her stock.
Me too brotha...! Although mine is a pristine 'late run '86 with a 3800sc swap, she serves me well, completely resto modded throughout, she's a true beautiful quasi super car and a first place trophy winner too...!
I also have an 86&1/2. After running the numbers I found out mine is one of the first 100 ‘Fastback GT’s’ the VIN Code still has it as an 86 Notchback w/GT Conversion. Mine also was the first ‘Triple Black’ (Black Body, Black Ground Effects, and Black Spider Web Wheels) 86 GT produced. It’s totally loaded with every option, unfortunately, that means 3spd Automatic Transmission. I bought it to do a 3800SC Swap (from a $500 02 GTP), & GETRAG 5spd (which I picked up from an 86 Cavalier Z24, for $50, but due to the aforementioned rarity. I’ve been doing everything in my power to NOT hack it up. I’m the second owner of this 68,000 original mile gem. I’ve recently found a Sunroof and Rear Fastback panel from a local Pick N’ Pull for $50, that I’ll have to install and convert my 2.8/4spd 85 GT Notchback, into a 3800SC/5spd ‘Hellcat Killer’. It will have to wait until I finish the restoration of my 84 ‘Indy Pace Car’, ‘Iron Duke’ 3spd Auto. I’ve also got the RAREST Fiero, (my first one that started my Fiero love affair-BTW), a red 84 ‘Iron Duke’ MY-8 4spd. Which is unbelievably Fuel efficient. If I keep it at 85mph, I can achieve an average of 51mpg. They were and are still great cars, and even though they weren’t 1/4 mile terrors, they handled like a sled on rails, and made driving through winding roads an absolute blast. Also, they are incredibly comfortable for long trips, because of the spacious drivers compartment, due to the mid-engine design, and ‘Wide Track’ Suspension, which offers plenty of leg and hip room. All in all one of the greatest cars to ever come from GM’s Pontiac Division. It’s a shame that the ‘Brains’ at GM, totally mismanaged the Fiero. We can only dream of what might have become of the Fiero in the late 1990’s and 2000’s, when GM finally got their act together, and may have installed the Supercharged L67, or the LS4, it might have even achieved supercar status, surpassing the mighty Corvette. It is nice to know that Fiero enthusiasts have done their own R & D, enabling us Fiero fans the ability to convert our cars to install those power plants, and making a reliable daily driver from the ‘gutless 80’s’, destroy an $80k-$100k GM Vette, Ford Cobra, and MOPAR Hellcat! To those that own one, keep enjoying your Fiero, and to those that want one, find one and understand us Fiero enthusiasts love affair with the first GM Mid-Engined, ahead of it’s time, truly unique, sports car! ✌🏼
I have a 1987 Fiero GT. I absolutely LOVED driving it! It's definitely a FUN car to drive - especially through the canyons and windy mountain roads. It corners well, and sounds great. The only problem I have is finding a DURABLE car cover, that doesn't rip off every winter, due to the extreme high winds in the Hill I live on. Any Suggestions?
When the fiero was introduced the crash test data placed the crash test worthiness tied the fiero with the Volvo 240. GM's Corvette division expressed fear that the Corvette's sales might be encroached, the fiero was initially marketed as a economy commuter which the Iron Duke could produce
The most fun car I ever owned from GM ! For the days this was a fast car that could reach 125 MPH like it was written in the owner manual with the manual transmission !
I have an -88 Formula wich is a GT but in the original body. I have the 3 speed auto wich is pretty fun aswell. Its a responsive gearbox with rapid kickdown. The engine doesnt have a balance shaft. But the -88 engine have internally balanced crank. It is a smooth engine with the right sound. With the right cam it can be made a bit punchier. Im working on a 3.4 swap, aiming for 200+ hp wich I hope will make it more or less perfect. There are quite alot of parts available from Summit Racing, Rock Auto and of course The Fiero store.
The WS6 suspension option was available for all 5 years. Only the '88's had the proprietary fully adjustable suspension, a Pontiac engineering design, inspired, but not designed, by Lotus. The balance shafts went on the Iron Duke 4 cylinder base engine in '87/'88, renamed the Tech IV. It allowed 6 more horsepower and 500rpm extra redline, but Pontiac continued to use the 5K redline, for cost and longevity concerns.
I have an 85' GT and one of my work buddies has an 86' GT, we always park next to eachother. Our customers love looking at them, and we love driving them! I'm 30 yrs old, but I adore all things 80s I even have an 80s playlist on my phone specifically for when I drive her), this car is a dream to own for someone like me!
@@jonathancharest9168 it's definitely one of the best parts, it's like taking a time machine back to when this car was new! The cultural immersion is just the best! An 80s bomb!!!!
I owned an 85 GT WAY back 25 plus years ago... Fun ride. I love the 3.8 supercharged swaps people are doing out of the GTP. Some of the performance videos are amazing on this swap. I could see one in my future !!
@@Retromod I totally agree and you definitely should review an '88 with a 3800sc swap..! You will be amazed...! I did a 3800sc swap on my '86, and it transformed it into the quasi super car that it was designed to be...!
I had an 87 GT back in the day…like most companies, GM screwed it up and Mazda perfected it with the MX-5 Miata and has dominated the small roadster market ever since. I have a 2020 Miata RF with manual transmission and it’s a blast to drive and gets 37-40 mpg.
So curious as to how anti-lock braking, stability and traction control over the years may have helped mitigate any tendancy for the inexperiened/in-over-their-head Fiero driver to snap oversteer, etc. ...So much potential for the Fiero on the world stage if it would have received any of GM's coming traction controls. Controls in the 90s would not have been nearly as elaborate as what was coming from ~imports but it would've been steps toward new opportunities for engineering vs demand and associated decisions for GM.
This guy knows his stuff and didn't say so much that the video contained a ton of errors 👍👍👍 I like the "Notchback" style better but that is one good looking GT...
I own a 1985 GT first year model 3 spd auto. fun to drive the 1988 is better made and has the 5 spd manual option. The 85 is lighter curb weight so the V6 has a little more guts. It is fun to drive but would have been very cool with 200 hp.
The 2.8 was brought to the fiero in 1985 in SE and Gt models. 87 Gt was the first year for the 5 speed. The 88 has a new Suspension and they were going to release power assist but it never got released. I own a 87se
The first year for the 5-speed was '86, after they ran out of the 4-speed toward the end of the '86 year run, which is what mine is, along with many other '87 up-grades...!
The 2.8 never had balance shafts. However it did go from externally balanced to internally balanced which did make the engine smoother. 60 degree v6's normally dont need balance shafts, 90 degree v6's do.
I'm looking at buying two 1988 GT from the same owner both identical, red paint, solid roof, V6, 5 speed, leather interior, premium sound from factory and low milage. Waiting on them too come up with a price for one and both cars. If I can get a good price on both I'll buy both.
Hey, the car you drove must have had the power steering version because the nopower has plenty of steering feedback. Still drive my 87 GT and you feel every crack in the road!
I’ve heard rumors Pontiac engineers were working on getting the Olds Quad 4 into the Fiero around the time it was killed off. If true, that’s a tremendous shame in my eyes because that was really the last missing piece of the Fiero. The 2.8 was fine but it wasn't a sports car engine. The Quad 4 was a smaller, lighter, high revving twin cam design that would have fit the Fiero’s personality perfect. Useful bump in horsepower too. Instead GM saw fit to offer a Quad 4 powered Cutlass Supreme. So, go figure that out…
Not loud, but more of a feel...! My 3800sc really feels and sounds fantastic behind me...! My 2.8 and my 3.4 were both nice too. Love the feel of that engine behind my back side...!
I have (2) 87 se with the iron duke engine with gulwing doors ,whale's tail...if they ever bring it back I'd buy 2- reg model & the simmer quicksilver model ...best trick... small amounts of sand in front keeps front end down at high speed and corners. Doing a 4 seater like the original 4seater would be nice...
@@Hypo327 add that would create extra body work and fabrication ... the sand can be adjusted to the the driver's habits and terrain driven on. . The cost of fab? Alot$$$..and make any mistakes even more to cover up.....A bag of sand ? $5⁰⁰... choose your inconvenience...and once you find your ideal sweet spot. The sand can be harden and left in place . Easily remove... to much body work ruins the look of the car. Could also just place a small tool box inside the spare tire to add the weight 🤔 .
The 84-87 actually handle pretty well. More under steer and heavier steering. A rear sway bar fixes the under steer. Removing the front steering damper lightens the steering. The 88 is good but parts for a one year suspension are becoming an issue. The engine changes are no real deal. Different injectors and balanced crank. But the 60 degree engines are naturally smooth vs v6 90 degree engines.
Yep, and, in addition to the 4WS, there was also an AWD testbed. I'd sure like to see some real-world data on the fuel economy and power output of that adiabatic engine powered Smokey Yunick Fiero. The horsepower output from that 4-cylinder and especially for that era was astounding if it is true not to forget the ridiculous fuel economy numbers that go along with that adiabatic engine claim.
There is always an overlap of new up-grades on the end-of-run cars, after they use up the old parts for that year. I own a late-run '86 GT that looks and runs exactly like an '87, with almost all the '87 up-grades. Bust the fast-back design came out in '86..!
lots of compatible pieces for this car so its somewhat easy and cheap to modify for 10k of tuning u can easy buy and 3800 v8 with a supercharger few modification to change to install and youll make easy 350 hp with a ton of torque. the se model or normal one are great for wheelie cars due to having all that weigth in the back
It's not known for exploding... the only fieros that caught fire were the 84s and early 85s. Even then less than 1/4 or a percent of those caught fire...
Your correct about the 88 being really the only one u want... but. Thy motor ain't the reason.. the 88s have different brakes and waaaaay better suspension
They finally got it right, and they killed it. Imagine it built today with the 2.0 turbo, 5 speed, magnetic suspension, yeah it would be cool. They'd overdo it with the unnecessary technology and ruin it though
@@That_Handle There's one 1990 Fiero GT, it looks more like a 93 Firebird than an old GT Fiero though. There's plenty videos on youtube showing it. I've never heard of any '89 Fieros but I guess it's possible.
Pontiac did NOT kill the Fiero. GM killed the Fiero. The Fiero is right there with the Edsel in American automotive infamy, except the Fiero was a damn good car by the 88 model year. Sales had slumped, so what? It was only 5 model years old when they killed it and the brand was overcoming the Fiero=fire bullshit and the lack of performance complaints were being addressed by Pontiac ASAP. The suspension was there(finally), a 5 speed was there and either the Buick GN engine or 3.8SC was in the pipe. Pontiac had some serious shit planned for Fiero, in typical Roger Smith style GM totally flushed millions in R&D done on the car down the toilet and walked away.
Sales slumped from +136K units in the first model year to just +26K units in its final model year. It was a unique build that could not be built on the same line with other traditional builds. Please Mr. Automotive Business Genius, tell us how to keep a vehicle in production when sales slump by 2/3rds overall. It was killed off because there was no longer a good business model to keep it going.
@@scarbourgeoisie actually it was stated in the video first year sales were planned at 30000 units. I remember as I had gotten my license back in 1976. Sales skyrocketed unexpectedly to 136k units the first year...but 30000 units was certainly respectable for a 2 seater especially back in 1988.
Toyota continued to build its MR2 for another decade after the Fiero met its demise and sales were dismal. The only reason Toyota could build this niche vehicle was that it was built along side other Toyota vehicles, making it more cost effective. The Fiero plant was a stand alone operation, and it was one of the dingiest automotive plants I’ve had the displeasure of visiting. Given the uniqueness of this build (i.e. mill & drill the space frame and the way the body panels were painted separately, away from the vehicle), it could not be built along side other typical vehicle builds. Based on the MR2’s limited popularity after the first generation, and it got better as it evolved, GM’s crystal ball on this niche market was correct - it was all but dead by 1988.
@@scarbourgeoisie GM at the time had the resources to build niche. Corvette, Reatta, Allante, to name a few. But other than the Vette the cars I just named, along with the Fiero were typical 80's Roger Smith GM. The kids at the divisions had some great ideas and concepts, but Smith and his bean counter minions fucked up the execution. GM 80's malaise is as famous as the Edsel in American automotive history and Smith deserves his infamy for years to come.
The best thing to do, is junk that wheezy, anemic 2.8L, and, swap in a Series III L67 supercharged 3.8L. Stock, the L67 makes 260HP, but, with simple, bolt-on mods, it's capable of well over 300. It turns a Fiero into a proper poor man's Ferrari.
@@raydemarco427 ?...A crank is internal...! BTW your Fiero review was pre-established prejudice and false fault finding. Although you did begin to see the light when you got behind the wheel.
Nicely filmed. Great shots and sound quality. But, it sure would be nice if reviewers of Fieros would research the facts and figures first. So many errors in this video. No real harm done, and I am appreciative of kind words directed at our cars.
No big errors at all, and a good honest fair review in my opinion, as a 13-year owner of my home built 3800sc quasi super car and 1st place trophy winner. His was the best honest, true critique I've eve seen or heard...!
People saying that reviews were bs. Not true. 1988 is the top if you want a sorted one. 86-87 Is good Before that they are garbage. The gearing bad the 4 speed bad the suspension soft and disconnected. I know this will hurt feelings but its the truth. If you can't get an 88gt you will spend and spend to get close
You're mostly correct, but we're splitting hairs on some things. 88 is the best set up out of the box, but all of them still have crappy 70-80s design suspensions and way too much tire sidewall. Parts for 88s suck to find. Some of the mods you really should do to make components live through more than stock power can't be done to 88s. I guess if you want a pure stock time capsule then yeah, 88 is the way to go. You're going to spend money regardless because most of these cars have now spent the majority of their lives beat and neglected, and the ones that don't require being disassembled and fixed are going to be $$$ anyway. I've done the Fiero dance several times. The latest one has 3x stock power and I've made it really nice, but I ended up getting a Mk7.5 Golf R and the poor Fiero sits in the shop now except for the occasional show.
I ordered my 88 GT from the dealer way back in August of 1987. I picked it up in November of 1987. I still have it in my garage today. Looks great and runs like new.
As an SW20 MR2 owner, this is the most beautiful design of the Fiero and it sadly was the last.
I love my 88 GT which I bought back in late 87. It never gets boring. mine has less than 56k miles and it in great shape. It has been a very reliable car after all the bugs were worked out during the warranty period.
Can't wait to get mine I'm lookin luisa
Loved my 87 gt
Yeah but the 87 and down suspension is scary
Lots of bump steer.
When I drive my Black 1986 Fiero GT, it's a driving experience. It gets a lot of looks, and people 40 and under always ask what it is.
I can appreciate becoming engaged with going through the gears of the 4 speed manual transmission while creating the crackle of the exhaust when downshifting. The way the road feels inches below you as you carve the pavement feeling the feedback through the steering wheel. It won't throw you back hard. However, it loves to be thrown around a twisty road. Anyone who owns or owns one knows exactly what I mean. That old saying "don't knock it, till you try it" rings true for the Fiero.
Thanks for the video.
I was 23 years old when the 88 Fiero GT was new and a guy in my neighborhood had a red one exactly the same as the one in your video.
It was definitely a great looking car back in the day and still until this very day.
There is a way to successfully fit a Chevy LS 350 in the 88 Fiero.
It will do wheelies with an LS engine and screaming fast.
Nice video! I've always thought the GTs were cool looking cars and they seemed a bit exotic in their day. That exhaust note does sound good.
I had one of these (in the 80s) and would like to get my hands on another one - it's still a good looking car compared to the new vehicles.
Almost timeless design. Lower it a little and put new bigger wheels on it. And people will ask: "Where can I get one"?
Probably will smoke a BRZ.
That's one of the crazy things about a Fiero, and a lot of Pontiac design from the late 80's and early 90's. The body and interior designs have held up well.
Good ones are still out there for sale now and then, in surprising numbers, for a very affordable price...! Keep looking and your will find one, which will make you really happy. Especially if you do a 3800sc swap to transform it into what it was designed to be. Or find one that has already by transformed properly...!
@Hypo327 Excuse my ignorance Hypo, but what is 3800sc referring to?
@xtoc422 it's a 3.8 liter v6 that is supercharged from GM, will bolt right in and had 240hp and 280 foot pounds of torque
We must thank you for a great review. Beautiful shots of a beautiful location. The Fiero 88 looks amazing, with this concept and design Americans can compete with the best European cars of the time.
This part would be among the best even at Petrolicous, where the bar is very high. We are glad that Fiero received a positive review. We just used this car as the main car in a movie action comic United Fight, which we released, because there is one nearby with a colleague in the newsroom (Red 88 GT Fastback, origin buy in the import market of Germany, actually Czech Republic). Sadly, your American Pontiac ended up on ice. Fortunately, immortal models have remained and make us happy in Europe. Good luck to the US and Restomod. Thank you very much.
Thanks for the great feedback!
Fiero clubs are very successful and appreciate Fiero design and restomods with nice engine swaps, like the 3800sc. Hence the Fiero is very popular in Europe...! Especially Germany...!
You are so far above and beyond the qualification and expertise of Doug D., who is so self absorbed and ego driven, that he can't possibly give a good objective opinion on anything. You, on the other hand are an honest, intelligent sounding eloquent gentleman, who tells it like you see it, with no preconceived ideas or prejudice.
My first car was a 1987 Fiero GT 5 speed. These cars are very underrated. I drove it for 10 years as a daily driver. I used to work 17 miles to work and 17 miles back home. I sold it after racking up close to 100K miles. I currently have a 2010 Mustang GT with only 9000 miles that I drive once every 2 or 3 weeks. I'm looking for a 1988 red Fiero GT manual, with very low mileage. Once I find one, I'm selling the Mustang.
Hey I just wanted to say thanks for making a great video. I daily drove a 1988 Fiero GT for years, I feel that nobody cared too much for it back in the 2000s, but it's definitely looked at nowadays as a icon of the '80s and an extremely unique platform. It was a great daily driver, okay it took a little while for the heat to come on, with its complex cooling system, but I got my odometer up to 252,000 miles before I had some issues and I was broke in 2012, but I recently picked up another one, a black 1988 gt, 5 speed. A damn fun car
Thanks for watching. Definitely a cool '80s car.
In 13+ years in my Fiero GT, my heater will dive me out unless I turn it down. Replaced the heater core only one time, because it was leaking. Cooling was an other story, but fixed it for good, by just swapping a bigger, higher cfm radiator fan motor...! It kept my 3.4 engine cool and now it keeps my 3800sc cool also...
This is the second time I've watched your exellent review on your extremely fair and objective critique of the '88 Fiero GT... And again I'd like to say "thank you," from a 13-year owner of my restomod love affair with my '86 GT. After four years driving with my 2.8 V-6, I did my own 3.4 engine swap, which enabled me to keep up with the fast lane, and even pass safely on the hwy., and climb mntn. passes without driving in the truck lane...lol Four more years and I did my own 3800sc swap, which turned my GT into what I call my quasi super car, because she is...! 300hp in a 2700lb sports car makes it want to fly. I wish you would do a follow-up test drive of the same like car, ('88) with a 3800sc engine swap, like mine, and see what you think..? Not only what the transformation is, but what the Fiero could have and should have become. You might mention that the designers designed it to receive an option small block V-8. That is why it's so easy to do all the engine swaps it is famous for. There are plenty of beautifully custom modified 3800sc cars out there to choose from, so whata ya think...?
When our American fighter plane designers came up with the P-51 mustang to give us and the English an edge in the sky, but if fails, until that is the English replaced the American Allison engine with the European Rolls Royce engine, and made it the super plane that it was designed to be. That's what happened to the Fiero in my mind. The Fiero was a good looking dog, until those who knew what the Fiero really was, finally swapped the 2.8 with the 3800sc, which transformed the Fiero into a quasi super car, like mine...!
While the demise of the Fiero is often cause for debate, and quite passionately among Fiero owners like myself, the real shame is the 2nd generation never happened.
If you google the 1990 Fiero GT prototype, you will see a slick and modern-looking car that will make you think 2-seater GTA Trans Am. 2nd gen engines would have likely included the Quad 4 (H.O. 180 hp versions appeared in the Chevrolet Beretta) and GTs may have gotten a version of the LQ1 3.4 DOHC (275 hp as originally designed down-tuned to a production 215-225 hp), or even a turbo 3.1 that found it's way into the turbo Grand Prix in 89-90 courtesy of ASC/McLaren . This all in a car much lighter and more nimble than the 250 hp, 3200+ lb. Corvette, 500 lb heavier than the Fiero. Also with an MSRP of around $15k for an '88 Fiero GT vs. over $31k for a C4 base model Corvette, you can certainly see why the Corvette boys and Chevrolet were worried.
I find it amusing that it has taken the general public almost 40 years to discover that 90% of the negative articles & reviews that were written about Fiero's were & are BS. The only reason I'm seeing positive articles now is because the Fiero's profile has risen in the last several years due to 80s sentimentality, nostalgia, and the passage of time. Regardless, I've said this in the past and I'm sure I'll say it again. but any shortcomings that the Fiero had can be laid directly at the feet of the GM Board of Directors, and GMs CEO Roger B. Smith. Ultimately it was these individuals who had the power to support the Fiero program, but they failed at it miserably. These individuals controlled how the P-Car program was funded, managed & ultimately killed. Every dollar they denied to the P-Car program affected the engineering, manufacturing, quality, marketing & sales. The only reason that the Fiero lasted as long as it did was because the public continued to buy them right up until 1988 when 23,630 Fiero's were sold. For comparison, there was 22,789 C4 Corvettes sold the same year.
Yes. The 2 things that killed Fiero was GM corporate management and the stupid media (fake news)!!!!
GM was also a bunch of babies and didn't want their golden child Corvette to be topped
It could have been a great car but they absolutely didn't want to make it so nice that it could take away from corvette sales.
I had an '84 Fiero SE. Nice thing about the heavy plastics on the car is you can kick the panels hard with your foot and it won't dent. I had the 4 cylinder automatic. When I added the split fire spark plugs I got more torque off the start.
Thank you for making this video, i love to see this car out and about on the roads and it just makes me more motivated to work on mine, much love
Glad you enjoyed it!
I had a 1987 Fiero GT that my father bought new. Loved that car.
Great video. You got a few minor details incorrect but it doesn’t make the video any less informative and really casts the car in a great light. Those of us who own them knew all along how good they are, glad to see the rest of the automotive world is catching up. Also great shots of the car in motion.
Thanks for the feedback!
The WS6 is a package that was available on all SE and GT Fieros AFAIK. They all had fully independent suspensions, even the base models. The stock 2.8 L V6 was140 HP (135 in 88, measured at a different RPM). What makes the 88 model special also makes it the most problematic - the upgraded suspension (also factory T-tops, with no replacement seals available). As only a little over 20,000 were sold, many replacement suspension parts are almost unobtainium. The earlier years suspension has numerous upgrades available that can take it past the 88's stock handling. Not sure why you feel the vehicle lacks steering feedback as the lack of power boosted steering results in feeling every little road imperfection. The steering is heavy at slow speed, perhaps that is what you are sensing. As to looks, while a matter of personal taste, I think it still looks very contemporary, even better than many new sports cars. BTW, nice job with the live action filming. Very professional.
I personally resto-modded an 86 1/2 (Getrag 5-speed replaced the Muncie 4-speed then) GT which I still own. I put in a modified (port matched, polished intake/exhaust, high lift roller rockers, etc.) 3.4 L engine, new hi-po clutch. All polyurethane suspension and engine mounts. Lowered 2" with higher rate springs. Rear stabilizer bar added. 17" wheels with max performance tires. Black interior (new carpeting) with racing bucket seats, new headliner, steering wheel upgrade, speakers. Monochrome red paint. Several body modifications to improve on the already good looks, etc. Paid $800 for the vehicle 10 years ago and my total investment is under $8000. Insured as a collectible for $8,000 zero deductible for $170/yr. Nothing new on the market that comes close can be had for less than $28,000 and I taught my oldest son auto mechanics in the process. If I ever get rid of it, it will be for a C8 Corvette, so I still have a mid-engine car.
I have a 86 and lv it
WS6 was the basic GT suspension in 1986, the 88 car had a completely different set up, that's why they're considered the best.
WS6 is an RPO code for sport suspension option on a lot of different Pontiacs. It was included with the GT package, like the GT all had sunroofs and spoilers unless you optionally deleted them when ordering. There were 5 choices of spring rates.
Only one of many reasons 88 is the best. Another is the only year with an internally balanced engine which increases engine life and smoothness. Another is the monochrome paint. Another is the yellow paint. Another is the "factory option" T-tops. Another is the improved steering rack. Another is the different size rims and tires front and rear. Another is the gold and black rims. Another is the leather seats. Another is the lumbar seat. Another is the low production numbers. Another is the Formula model (poor man's GT).
@@markgunther2502 I always wanted a t-top, 5pd, 88 GT in yellow.
@@jmorris023 Yea, who wouldn't?
Truth be told GM made lousy manual trannys in the 80's and the T-tops aren't very practical. I have three 88 GTs, one of each: hardtop, sunroof, and t-roof. Also one manual and 2 automatics. Manuals have always been problems...check the forums for the thousands of repair help threads on clutches bleeding, grinding, rattling, cables, etc. Automatics are bulletproof from day 1 with practically 0 maintenance to get to 150-200,000...maybe one $20 fluid/filter change at some point.
I've owned 5 fieros in my life: Spent a total of about $50 on transmission maintenance and maybe 4 hours of labor total on the three automatic transmissions in about 250,000 miles of driving and about $4000 on the 2 manuals total and probably 100 hours or labor (3 clutch jobs: 1 broken release fork, rebuilding slaves, masters, blleeding lines, adjusting pedals, et al on a total of about 80,000 miles of driving. The one I currently have still has a slight problem going into gear sometimes even with all the above.
And T-tops look cool but are noisy and are a pain to remove. Sunroof can just flip back and give a nice vent of air to keep the cabin cool without the sun beating down and takes literally 1 second to flip open.
Nice car! Reminds me of my older brother’s car back in 1989. His was all white GT manual with grey interior 😎
Great memories 👍🏽👍🏽
Wonderful video sir! I love the Fiero GT and cannot wait to get one soon. Thank you for making this video.
Nice to see another local Fiero!
What model of Fiero do you own?
@@Retromod I have 5 currently. 88 V8 base, 87 GT ttop, 86 GT turbo, 87 GT, and an 86 GT with 43k miles. I'm out in the East Mountains. :)
Im 6'6" and have a fiero. I still fit somehow. Mid engine is where I belong I guess.
GM management killed the Fiero because they were concerned that the planned changes for 1989 and forward, might have put it in competition with the Corvette.
Can't have any car competing with their precious Corvette.
Those crybabies at corvette killed off a lot of great vehicles instead of just making the vet faster. It makes me sick 😂
That simply isn't true at all. It was "killed off" because of poor sales.
@@joshriver75 Too bad they did it just when it became a great car like the insane WS6 firebird, those 2 look futuristic to this day.
Just came here to comment that 😂
damn fine looking car
I own an 84 Fiero, she's such a blast to drive!
She's still got The Iron Duke, I don't think I will ever swap for a V6 or anything, I want to keep her stock.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video and great insights. Fieros are fun today
im 6'10 i drove an 85 2M4 in college - loved that thing. no, not fast but really was great for what i needed
I have an '88 GT with 5 speed getrag. A turbo and about 300HP. Fun in sun. Not in rain.
Me too brotha...! Although mine is a pristine 'late run '86 with a 3800sc swap, she serves me well, completely resto modded throughout, she's a true beautiful quasi super car and a first place trophy winner too...!
Good on you. 😎👍🏻👍🏻
Love my 85 GT.
I have a 86 that im restoring, love this car.
Me too, mine is an 86&1/2 SE
i got a 85 gt, wanna make this thing a sleeeeper
Me too with my 85' GT, I love this car to death!
I also have an 86&1/2. After running the numbers I found out mine is one of the first 100 ‘Fastback GT’s’ the VIN Code still has it as an 86 Notchback w/GT Conversion. Mine also was the first ‘Triple Black’ (Black Body, Black Ground Effects, and Black Spider Web Wheels) 86 GT produced. It’s totally loaded with every option, unfortunately, that means 3spd Automatic Transmission. I bought it to do a 3800SC Swap (from a $500 02 GTP), & GETRAG 5spd (which I picked up from an 86 Cavalier Z24, for $50, but due to the aforementioned rarity. I’ve been doing everything in my power to NOT hack it up. I’m the second owner of this 68,000 original mile gem. I’ve recently found a Sunroof and Rear Fastback panel from a local Pick N’ Pull for $50, that I’ll have to install and convert my 2.8/4spd 85 GT Notchback, into a 3800SC/5spd ‘Hellcat Killer’. It will have to wait until I finish the restoration of my 84 ‘Indy Pace Car’, ‘Iron Duke’ 3spd Auto. I’ve also got the RAREST Fiero, (my first one that started my Fiero love affair-BTW), a red 84 ‘Iron Duke’ MY-8 4spd. Which is unbelievably Fuel efficient. If I keep it at 85mph, I can achieve an average of 51mpg. They were and are still great cars, and even though they weren’t 1/4 mile terrors, they handled like a sled on rails, and made driving through winding roads an absolute blast. Also, they are incredibly comfortable for long trips, because of the spacious drivers compartment, due to the mid-engine design, and ‘Wide Track’ Suspension, which offers plenty of leg and hip room. All in all one of the greatest cars to ever come from GM’s Pontiac Division. It’s a shame that the ‘Brains’ at GM, totally mismanaged the Fiero. We can only dream of what might have become of the Fiero in the late 1990’s and 2000’s, when GM finally got their act together, and may have installed the Supercharged L67, or the LS4, it might have even achieved supercar status, surpassing the mighty Corvette. It is nice to know that Fiero enthusiasts have done their own R & D, enabling us Fiero fans the ability to convert our cars to install those power plants, and making a reliable daily driver from the ‘gutless 80’s’, destroy an $80k-$100k GM Vette, Ford Cobra, and MOPAR Hellcat! To those that own one, keep enjoying your Fiero, and to those that want one, find one and understand us Fiero enthusiasts love affair with the first GM Mid-Engined, ahead of it’s time, truly unique, sports car! ✌🏼
I love my Fieros!
I have a 1987 Fiero GT.
I absolutely LOVED driving it!
It's definitely a FUN car to drive - especially through the canyons and windy mountain roads.
It corners well, and sounds great.
The only problem I have is finding a DURABLE car cover, that doesn't rip off every winter, due to the extreme high winds in the Hill I live on.
Any Suggestions?
When the fiero was introduced the crash test data placed the crash test worthiness tied the fiero with the Volvo 240.
GM's Corvette division expressed fear that the Corvette's sales might be encroached, the fiero was initially marketed as a economy commuter which the Iron Duke could produce
Can't wait to own one of these, some day I will
These with the 3.8 supercharged engine swap are much much better than Ferrari's of the day in almost everyway.
The most fun car I ever owned from GM ! For the days this was a fast car that could reach 125 MPH like it was written in the owner manual with the manual transmission !
I have an -88 Formula wich is a GT but in the original body. I have the 3 speed auto wich is pretty fun aswell. Its a responsive gearbox with rapid kickdown.
The engine doesnt have a balance shaft. But the -88 engine have internally balanced crank. It is a smooth engine with the right sound.
With the right cam it can be made a bit punchier.
Im working on a 3.4 swap, aiming for 200+ hp wich I hope will make it more or less perfect.
There are quite alot of parts available from Summit Racing, Rock Auto and of course The Fiero store.
I gave the fiero way more than a second look. I was a really cool car that was axed in its prime. I still think they look great today.
Great review !
I had a couple MR2 but the Fiero GT’s had so much potential
That car w a super charger would be perfect
The WS6 suspension option was available for all 5 years. Only the '88's had the proprietary fully adjustable suspension, a Pontiac engineering design, inspired, but not designed, by Lotus. The balance shafts went on the Iron Duke 4 cylinder base engine in '87/'88, renamed the Tech IV. It allowed 6 more horsepower and 500rpm extra redline, but Pontiac continued to use the 5K redline, for cost and longevity concerns.
I have an 85' GT and one of my work buddies has an 86' GT, we always park next to eachother. Our customers love looking at them, and we love driving them!
I'm 30 yrs old, but I adore all things 80s I even have an 80s playlist on my phone specifically for when I drive her), this car is a dream to own for someone like me!
38 years old here and I have to listen 80s music when I drive my 87, it's part of the fun !
@@jonathancharest9168 it's definitely one of the best parts, it's like taking a time machine back to when this car was new! The cultural immersion is just the best! An 80s bomb!!!!
I’ve wanted one since they first came out. Holding out for a red 88 GT with T-tops & manual trans like this one.
Really good Fieros are rare and hard to come by, so don't let the lack of T-top and/or 5-speed stop you! You can always add those later...!
I just bought an 87 2.8 yesterday and already love the car to death
I love them too . I had an 84 SE and an 88 GT. They attracted so much attention . Just great cars !
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
The car was used on the movie Action Jackson as well
I owned an 85 GT WAY back 25 plus years ago... Fun ride. I love the 3.8 supercharged swaps people are doing out of the GTP. Some of the performance videos are amazing on this swap. I could see one in my future !!
I'd like to cover a modified Fiero to see what they're like with upgrades.
@@Retromod from the videos I have seen they look like a blast. 10 second passes with out a ton of money.
@@Retromod I totally agree and you definitely should review an '88 with a 3800sc swap..! You will be amazed...! I did a 3800sc swap on my '86, and it transformed it into the quasi super car that it was designed to be...!
I had an 87 GT back in the day…like most companies, GM screwed it up and Mazda perfected it with the MX-5 Miata and has dominated the small roadster market ever since. I have a 2020 Miata RF with manual transmission and it’s a blast to drive and gets 37-40 mpg.
I own a 86 2m6 SE swapped 2.8 to 3.8sc Fieros are the must have car but can be sketchy at times though
So curious as to how anti-lock braking, stability and traction control over the years may have helped mitigate any tendancy for the inexperiened/in-over-their-head Fiero driver to snap oversteer, etc. ...So much potential for the Fiero on the world stage if it would have received any of GM's coming traction controls. Controls in the 90s would not have been nearly as elaborate as what was coming from ~imports but it would've been steps toward new opportunities for engineering vs demand and associated decisions for GM.
Nothing about them is "sketchy" if they're maintained and known how to drive a mid-engine.
Best looking version
This guy knows his stuff and didn't say so much that the video contained a ton of errors 👍👍👍 I like the "Notchback" style better but that is one good looking GT...
So right an 89 if built should of had the notch and power steering
Had an 84 red now an 86 keeping
After all these years I still want that 88 gt.
well done sir.
I love the Fiero ! I just wish it would have had a more powerful engine !!
Nice review
Thank you! Cheers!
What road are you on? I saw the nm plate. I also have a GT in New mexico
Good review
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey Guys Does The 87 Fiero GT could get burned? Like the firsts ones? Thank You
I own a 1985 GT first year model 3 spd auto. fun to drive the 1988 is better made and has the 5 spd manual option. The 85 is lighter curb weight so the V6 has a little more guts. It is fun to drive but would have been very cool with 200 hp.
The 2.8 was brought to the fiero in 1985 in SE and Gt models. 87 Gt was the first year for the 5 speed. The 88 has a new Suspension and they were going to release power assist but it never got released. I own a 87se
Thanks for watching!
The 5 speed did make it in some of the later built 86 models.
The first year for the 5-speed was '86, after they ran out of the 4-speed toward the end of the '86 year run, which is what mine is, along with many other '87 up-grades...!
The 2.8 never had balance shafts. However it did go from externally balanced to internally balanced which did make the engine smoother. 60 degree v6's normally dont need balance shafts, 90 degree v6's do.
I'm looking at buying two 1988 GT from the same owner both identical, red paint, solid roof, V6, 5 speed, leather interior, premium sound from factory and low milage. Waiting on them too come up with a price for one and both cars. If I can get a good price on both I'll buy both.
I’m getting one in a couple of weeks and I was worried about the head room
Wish they would bring it back under the Buick badge with a 3800sc and modern suspension. Wow
Hey, the car you drove must have had the power steering version because the nopower has plenty of steering feedback. Still drive my 87 GT and you feel every crack in the road!
No power steering ever made it in to Fieros. But man, I wish!
@@carolriley9392 Very few in 88 had an experimental electric power steering, it was culled becuase it was noisy but a few 88 cars do exist with it.
@@nathandube1685 thanks! This is the first I've heard about this.
That is because it is designed to be a sports car, where you are supposed to feel the road...!
I’ve heard rumors Pontiac engineers were working on getting the Olds Quad 4 into the Fiero around the time it was killed off. If true, that’s a tremendous shame in my eyes because that was really the last missing piece of the Fiero. The 2.8 was fine but it wasn't a sports car engine. The Quad 4 was a smaller, lighter, high revving twin cam design that would have fit the Fiero’s personality perfect. Useful bump in horsepower too. Instead GM saw fit to offer a Quad 4 powered Cutlass Supreme. So, go figure that out…
what is the better engine upgrade? A SC 3800 or a Northstar V8?
Depends on what you want and your budget. I have a 3800sc in mine, so that's what I like. The 4.9 has the best sound of any swap though, IMO...!
How well can you hear the engine from behind you? That is what I am curious about.
It's actually pretty quiet, they did a pretty good job with the sound deadening. A little more engine noise would have been nice.
Not loud, but more of a feel...! My 3800sc really feels and sounds fantastic behind me...! My 2.8 and my 3.4 were both nice too. Love the feel of that engine behind my back side...!
WS6 could be ordered on 84 4cyl SE version.
I have (2) 87 se with the iron duke engine with gulwing doors ,whale's tail...if they ever bring it back I'd buy 2- reg model & the simmer quicksilver model ...best trick... small amounts of sand in front keeps front end down at high speed and corners. Doing a 4 seater like the original 4seater would be nice...
Just add a real down force scoop in the front, and still keep your weight down. Save the sand for a sand box...lol!
@@Hypo327 add that would create extra body work and fabrication ... the sand can be adjusted to the the driver's habits and terrain driven on. . The cost of fab? Alot$$$..and make any mistakes even more to cover up.....A bag of sand ? $5⁰⁰... choose your inconvenience...and once you find your ideal sweet spot. The sand can be harden and left in place . Easily remove... to much body work ruins the look of the car. Could also just place a small tool box inside the spare tire to add the weight 🤔 .
The 84-87 actually handle pretty well. More under steer and heavier steering. A rear sway bar fixes the under steer. Removing the front steering damper lightens the steering.
The 88 is good but parts for a one year suspension are becoming an issue.
The engine changes are no real deal. Different injectors and balanced crank. But the 60 degree engines are naturally smooth vs v6 90 degree engines.
of course the new corvette is modeled after it now
Lv1 with boost is perfect for this
That was designed by Guigaro. They also made a 4 wheel steering prototype. Too bad, it was killed by the corporate management.
Yep, and, in addition to the 4WS, there was also an AWD testbed. I'd sure like to see some real-world data on the fuel economy and power output of that adiabatic engine powered Smokey Yunick Fiero. The horsepower output from that 4-cylinder and especially for that era was astounding if it is true not to forget the ridiculous fuel economy numbers that go along with that adiabatic engine claim.
I had an 86.5 Many people think the new body style came out in 86. Not true it came out in as a half year model change.
There is always an overlap of new up-grades on the end-of-run cars, after they use up the old parts for that year. I own a late-run '86 GT that looks and runs exactly like an '87, with almost all the '87 up-grades. Bust the fast-back design came out in '86..!
I have an 86 gt
I think you should drive an example of that 'not great' pre 88 GT. I think you will be surprised again ;)
i own 86 gt fastback auto...my first fiero was 85 se v6 auto
lots of compatible pieces for this car so its somewhat easy and cheap to modify for 10k of tuning u can easy buy and 3800 v8 with a supercharger few modification to change to install and youll make easy 350 hp with a ton of torque. the se model or normal one are great for wheelie cars due to having all that weigth in the back
The 3800 is a V-6 not a V-8...
You got some of the info wrong. WS6 was available for 1984 Fiero SE (Special Edition) and Indy. You should be careful before giving out info.
The only car I've had to roll out of.
I drove my 87 gt all day. I do love my car. I am jim94
All you need is just an engine swap because it’s notorious for exploding and fun fact it is also used in a mail truck in the US at least
It's not known for exploding... the only fieros that caught fire were the 84s and early 85s. Even then less than 1/4 or a percent of those caught fire...
@@randomfrog6376 True, but then again, it was the GM bean counters that caused the fires...!
Your correct about the 88 being really the only one u want... but. Thy motor ain't the reason.. the 88s have different brakes and waaaaay better suspension
And the 88s had a getrag 5 speed.
I know 3800SC swaps are all the rage but has anyone ever swapped a buick regal turbo 2.0 liter engine into one .
"Taking a second look at the Pontiac Fiero"
Because there's a lot of wrecked LS4/4T65HD combos sitting in junkyards.... waiting.....
Someone needs plug-n-play 3.8 gm swaps
8:44 to 8:51
it’s a mid engine crx lol. i want one of these and ls4 swap it
Imagine if they didn't "kill it" when they did and let it progress for another 10 years.
They finally got it right, and they killed it. Imagine it built today with the 2.0 turbo, 5 speed, magnetic suspension, yeah it would be cool. They'd overdo it with the unnecessary technology and ruin it though
3.8 V6
It's a shame this car was killed off. The '89 model that was planned looked promising.
Somebody owns the only 1990 Fiero GT. GM sold it off during bankruptcy.
@@jmorris023 ,
Wasn't there at least 2 '89 or '90 Fiero GT concepts - a red one and a ~charcoal-gray metallic?
@@That_Handle There's one 1990 Fiero GT, it looks more like a 93 Firebird than an old GT Fiero though. There's plenty videos on youtube showing it. I've never heard of any '89 Fieros but I guess it's possible.
@@jmorris023 ,
ah, here's what I was recollecting:
CC Forgotten Future: 1990 Pontiac Fiero Prototype
It was a shame, but the new designers, destroyed the beauty of the sexy '88 GT and it's beautiful flying buttresses and sexy curves...
Pontiac did NOT kill the Fiero. GM killed the Fiero. The Fiero is right there with the Edsel in American automotive infamy, except the Fiero was a damn good car by the 88 model year. Sales had slumped, so what? It was only 5 model years old when they killed it and the brand was overcoming the Fiero=fire bullshit and the lack of performance complaints were being addressed by Pontiac ASAP. The suspension was there(finally), a 5 speed was there and either the Buick GN engine or 3.8SC was in the pipe. Pontiac had some serious shit planned for Fiero, in typical Roger Smith style GM totally flushed millions in R&D done on the car down the toilet and walked away.
Sales slumped from +136K units in the first model year to just +26K units in its final model year. It was a unique build that could not be built on the same line with other traditional builds. Please Mr. Automotive Business Genius, tell us how to keep a vehicle in production when sales slump by 2/3rds overall.
It was killed off because there was no longer a good business model to keep it going.
@@scarbourgeoisie actually it was stated in the video first year sales were planned at 30000 units. I remember as I had gotten my license back in 1976. Sales skyrocketed unexpectedly to 136k units the first year...but 30000 units was certainly respectable for a 2 seater especially back in 1988.
Toyota continued to build its MR2 for another decade after the Fiero met its demise and sales were dismal. The only reason Toyota could build this niche vehicle was that it was built along side other Toyota vehicles, making it more cost effective. The Fiero plant was a stand alone operation, and it was one of the dingiest automotive plants I’ve had the displeasure of visiting. Given the uniqueness of this build (i.e. mill & drill the space frame and the way the body panels were painted separately, away from the vehicle), it could not be built along side other typical vehicle builds. Based on the MR2’s limited popularity after the first generation, and it got better as it evolved, GM’s crystal ball on this niche market was correct - it was all but dead by 1988.
@@scarbourgeoisie GM at the time had the resources to build niche. Corvette, Reatta, Allante, to name a few. But other than the Vette the cars I just named, along with the Fiero were typical 80's Roger Smith GM. The kids at the divisions had some great ideas and concepts, but Smith and his bean counter minions fucked up the execution. GM 80's malaise is as famous as the Edsel in American automotive history and Smith deserves his infamy for years to come.
@@seththomas9105 Do you work for GM?
The best thing to do, is junk that wheezy, anemic 2.8L, and, swap in a Series III L67 supercharged 3.8L. Stock, the L67 makes 260HP, but, with simple, bolt-on mods, it's capable of well over 300. It turns a Fiero into a proper poor man's Ferrari.
all GTs had the same engine no upgrade in 88
same engine, but with small changes in the balancing.
Internally balanced crank instead of externally balanced
@@PCarver01 Any balancing improvements always translates in to higher performance...!
@@raydemarco427 ?...A crank is internal...! BTW your Fiero review was pre-established prejudice and false fault finding. Although you did begin to see the light when you got behind the wheel.
Nicely filmed. Great shots and sound quality. But, it sure would be nice if reviewers of Fieros would research the facts and figures first. So many errors in this video. No real harm done, and I am appreciative of kind words directed at our cars.
No big errors at all, and a good honest fair review in my opinion, as a 13-year owner of my home built 3800sc quasi super car and 1st place trophy winner. His was the best honest, true critique I've eve seen or heard...!
People saying that reviews were bs.
Not true.
1988 is the top if you want a sorted one.
86-87 Is good
Before that they are garbage.
The gearing bad the 4 speed bad the suspension soft and disconnected.
I know this will hurt feelings but its the truth.
If you can't get an 88gt you will spend and spend to get close
You're mostly correct, but we're splitting hairs on some things. 88 is the best set up out of the box, but all of them still have crappy 70-80s design suspensions and way too much tire sidewall.
Parts for 88s suck to find. Some of the mods you really should do to make components live through more than stock power can't be done to 88s. I guess if you want a pure stock time capsule then yeah, 88 is the way to go. You're going to spend money regardless because most of these cars have now spent the majority of their lives beat and neglected, and the ones that don't require being disassembled and fixed are going to be $$$ anyway.
I've done the Fiero dance several times. The latest one has 3x stock power and I've made it really nice, but I ended up getting a Mk7.5 Golf R and the poor Fiero sits in the shop now except for the occasional show.