What's WRONG with the Sig Sauer P320 Upgrade??
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- čas přidán 27. 11. 2017
- This is my second video about my recalled Sig P320. I'm having some problems with the disconnector staying up during my takedown/assembly.
If you have any suggestions as to what might be going on or if you see something I'm doing wrong, please let me know down in the comments. THANKS!
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try this video. maybe this will help?? czcams.com/video/S2FqSa7ZGBM/video.html
on a sidenote, notice the milling on the underside of your slide vs. the milling on the underside of others' slides. i've noticed a real inconsistency in the milling of the various slides that are being returned. some people seem to have just a little milling, while still others have extensive milling done. also, the shapes of the milling seem to be different as well.
Thanks for the video suggestion! It's nice to know I'm not going crazy. I'll definitely have to try the pushing it down first before I reassemble the slide.
I have noticed the milling differences. Mine is amazingly smooth, but I can't tell it was milled much at all really. I'm an engineer and have done some millwork and I was very impressed with what they did. Or was it how they did it?
Tx,
Or maybe Sig didn't mill it enough?!!! That would suck!
I get the distinct impression that the disconnector is NOT allowing you to push it straight downward in the vertical axis, like I've seen on other videos... Are you pushing straight down on the disconnector?
I think you're right. It may be that it's a milling issue. I have tried pushing along every conceivable axis and I can't get it to drop like they have in other videos. I do mention in the video at about the 3:04 mark that the trigger released. I've had that happen several times and it's the only way the disconnector will drop at all... Looks like I'll be contacting Sig about.
As the p320 developed the slides changed slightly through generations, probably to make it easier to produce. Some had more lightening cuts on the underside, while others had slots milled to reduce weight. This is why some of the cuts seem inconsistent.
I have a pre upgrade P 320 that had it's upgrade preformed . I duplicated your user induced flaw. 4 times by pulling the trigger while disassembled. the fix is simple push the disconnect with your thumb straight down . their is nothing wrong with the pistol. but user error. Don't pull the trigger with the slide off. but if you do refer back to the simple fix previously mentioned.
Love my 320 coyote. Try holding the trigger down until the slide is fully on or off depending on which you are trying to do.
Thanks for the tip. Interestingly enough, it's gotten better as I've run rounds through it. I just shot it this weekend and when I cleaned it afterward, it was basically "easy on/easy off".
I'm not sending mine back. I just may keep it out my edc rotation may not. But I have 17 hand guns so its not a big deal. I love it the way it is and I already have so many rounds through with no issues so it it's no point messing with it.
Mel Matrix I agree. If you’re comfortable with the way it’s working now, I think you’ve got the right idea. Thanks for watching.
Had same problem with mine yesterday. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the comment. I posted a follow-up video after I sent it back to the factory a second time if you're interested. They got it right a second time around.
I got my 320 back a long time ago.They did some work that ground off some of the slides metal finish and never retreated that part of the inside of the slide.The trigger is so slim and flimsy looking. It sits in a safe, I don't carry it.
The take down lever puts a saftey on the trigger, so the disconnect doesn't reset once it's up until you turn the take down lever. I could see that getting in the way of the slide when assembling.
Ive had my P320 for a couple of weeks so far and Ive had not problems with it. One of the best pistols ive ever owned . I bought it new and it already had the upgrade straight from the factory and that may be why i don't have a;problem
Mine is amazing too, and it always has been. I just wanted the update to go smoother. I've got a final update on my channel from my second trip to Sig if you're interested n the final product.
Thanks for watching & taking the time to comment. Enjoy the 320, it's a great sidearm.
When you have your top slide off do not squeeze your trigger that is your own fault laptop sun is off leave it in the position that it is and put it back on it's going to be stiff do not mess with it cleaning up all of that put it back together do not squeeze the trigger on that top slide is off hell no wonder you're having problems the gun is fine
I love my Sig P320 !! I am glad that I didn't send it in for the new down grade oops sorry I meant upgrade lol I thought something like this would happen I've seen way to many people who sent it in and was very sorry they did !! So I'm leaving mine the way it is it's an awesome gun but probably not so much after their cheesey upgrade I'll take my chances with the way it is thank you
i had the same problem brought it to a buddys shop who used to work for sig but now owns his own shop here in NH he took a look at it and explained that its all new machined parts you need to fire it get it worked in after putting about 50 rounds through it it stopped doing this
Thanks for the information. I ended up sending it back for a second round. I posted a follow-up video on the second return if you're interested. The tolerances were a little looser the second open and the second attempt. I ran about 200 rounds through it and it's working great. Thanks for watching.
Looks like the disconnect is sticking in its housing which is possibly too tight for it to move freely. When I first got mine back from the upgrade and dry fired a couple times after the 2nd one, nothing when I pulled the trigger. Turns out that disconnect was sticking and leaving the safety engaged. It did its job from that perspective, but it's currently back in New Hampshire again to correct it
That's what my problem ended up being. I ended up sending it back to Sig a second time and now the disconnector drops into it's seat. I made a 2nd video after getting it back the second time, you may want to check out to see what you've got in store when you get it back next time. Glad to know I'm not the only one. Thanks for the comment
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Well, it also went back for something else, but I won't elaborate publicly. I'm one of the admins for the Sig Sauer P320 Owners Association so I'm fairly familiar with the 320 inside and out as well as any issues pre and post upgrade
I guess I got lucky got mine back and it works better than before I sent it back
I have to pick up on the back of my slide slightly when putting the slide back on. It's not an issue to me and just took a slight bit of getting used to.
Thanks for the comment. I tried the lift up, but nothing worked. The disconnector simply was stuck. I ended up sending it back to Sig. They "fixed" it even though they couldn't find anything wrong. I posted another follow-up video if you're interested in the final product. The disconnector drops finally and the slide goes on without any problem at all.
Sig was selling off the Sig 250s really cheap.The exalted 320 is very similar to the discontinued 250
I’m having the same problems with my P320 compact. It shoots just fine. However, in addition to the above mentioned issue, I also have trouble getting my pistol back into battery since the “upgrade”.
I sent mine back because I couldn't get it back. The second trip to the factory worked. They reworked it and now everything is running fine. If you're interested, here's the link to the latest update on the 2nd trip back to the factory. Thanks for watching.
czcams.com/video/W5vZWZwsYH8/video.html
I sent my P320 back, and just got it back, today. I"ve had no problems field stripping it, and reassembling it, several times. It dry fires fine. haven't had a chance to go to the range, yet, but I will let you know, if I have any problems. The only thing, I am upset about, is I didn't get the P320 patch, that others were getting.
I did end up sending it back. I've got a final follow-up on the final product if you're interested in what the option may be if you need a second trip. It works well after the final time to the factory.
I am about to send mine in for the upgrade. I need to know it I should go through with it or leave it alone.
mine does the same exact thing since i got it back. they only took a week to "upgrade", but now it is a pain in the ass to field strip, and the slide is a little loose fitting. i wish i had just installed the apex trigger and not sent it in. very disapointed with sig. now i got to send it back again.
I'd send it back if I were you. I did. You should check out my other followup video. I just got it posted this past Monday from the second trip to Sig. They finally got it right and it's amazing.
Just a quick update. I contacted Sig and they said it might be something that, because it's so different, may just take some time to get used to. However, they did say that if I can't get the disconnector to release down and I'm having trouble getting the slide over that it may be causing damage to the striker and they're sending me a way to send it back to them. I should be shipping it back to them today sometime. I'll keep y'all updated on what happens next time.
Humor me!
Try this, step by step, without deviation:
1) Make sure gun is unloaded and has no empty mag in it.
2) Rack slide three times, then pull trigger on empty chamber.
3) From here on out, don't touch trigger at all.
4) Rotate TDLever and remove slide assy.
5) Push straight down on disconnector- does it move downward like in other users' P320 videos?
6) Reinstall slide.
If the disconnector won't go straight down enough to make slide reinstall easier, try repeating the above, except in step 2, do NOT pull the trigger...
7) Post results.
Humor complete. I did this very thing and many more variants like it this morning before I went to work. I can't push the disconnector down at all. It's like after I remove the slide, something odd happens and the trigger is essentially in 1/2 pull and the disconnector is stuck. I can eventually work it enough to get the trigger back in the full reset position. I can then finagle the slide over the disconnector, but it's not an easy move like the other videos. I would absolutely post a video for you, but the gun's already on it's way back to Sig. Whenever I get it back from them, you can expect a follow-up video.
BTW, thanks for all the tips.
Well it was worth a shot, and I figured you tried everything- but I was just making sure!
Please let me know as soon as you get it back- it's a very weird problem.
Another thing I just remembered- I read that the P320 slide must be racked fully after you close the TDLever and after the slide is allowed to go forward...
It's not in this video, but did you rack the slide after pistol reassembly and with the slide all the way forward?
You're right. It's not in the video, but I did try that off camera. It didn't help either. I hope I don't just get a returned pistol from them in a few days, but rather some kind of an explanation as to why it a having that issue. Don't get me wrong, I'll take a working pistol, but the note would be nice...
I have the same problem with my Subcompact 320 after the upgrade. I have to jiggle the slide a little and it will slide back. It's getting better with usage.
RAY A thanks, I’m glad to know I’m not alone. I ended up sending mine back to them because it never got any better.
If you want to see how mine turns out, please be sure and subscribe. I got a call from the gunsmith that worked on it yesterday, and I’ll be getting it back from them any day now. I will get a follow up video posted as soon as I can. Thanks for watching.
I've been having this issue with my m17. Haven't checked yet to see if it came with the upgraded parts from the factory but, this can be a real pain.
It can indeed. Mine has gotten much better as I've run rounds through it and cleaned it regularly.
your disconnect isn't down in this video. You have to push hard on it to get it down all the way. You cannot pull the trigger and then try to put the slide back on (which you did in this video). That being said, I find it very finicky to get back on. Certainly not as smooth and easy as any of my other guns.
Thanks for the comment. You're absolutely right. I tried pushing it down, I've tried messing with the trigger, and the disconnect never actually goes down. I sent it off back to Sig after talking with them and they're working on it now. You can subscribe and check back later. I'll be posting another video when I get it back from them a second time.
I will check back for sure. When I push my disconnector down, it leaves a mark on my finger from pushing so hard. I have learned to not pull the trigger when it is disassembled :) On a side note, the other thing that is annoying is how rough the slide action is when you are mimicking a reset (that is keeping the trigger pressed to the rear and racking the slide). It is very sticky and gritty coming out of battery and then back into battery for the first 3/4 of an inch or so. I think it is a part of the upgrade but I cannot confirm this since I bought a gun with the upgrade already done. I was hoping that it would go away with some shooting but I am about 500 rounds into it with no relief.Thanks for the video.
Sorry to hear that. Mine was butter smooth prior to the upgrade. I really like the new trigger, but the slide/disconnector issue has essentially nullified an amazing upgrade to the trigger. Hopefully when they get it back to me I'll have something good to report.
I would try to disassemble the FCU and see if anything is caught in the guts stopping the disconnecter from going down.
Raging Realist I think you’re probably on to something. You should check out my follow-up video to this. I ended up sending it back again. The gunsmith at Sig took it apart completely down to parts and reassembled. Whatever the problem was, that solved it.
It sounds to me like you may have/had an issue with your P320. On mine if the disconnector is up all I need to do is to push it down with a finger or thumb.
I sure thought so. That's why I sent it back a few days after posting this video when the disconnector never would release back down. You can check out the update on my return here: czcams.com/video/W5vZWZwsYH8/video.html
Thanks for watching & taking the time to comment. Please let me know if yours is similar to what I got back on he other video.
is it just the 9mm that is having the problem? I have a .40 cal and the interior of the slide is beefier and does not have firing block cut outs, further more, the slide just does that, it slides back on really smooth, like its on bearings, have taken to the range and at 7 to 50 yrds its right on
I honestly don't know. I haven't seen it be an issue for the .40.
You have to push the disconnect air back down before you put the slide on if you pull the trigger and release it you got a push everything back down all the slide will not go back on
Thanks for the tip & for watching. I tried that on numerous occasions. When I took the slide off, every time, the disconnect wouldn't go back down. It was just a happenstance that it would move down even a little bit. Even then, it was often barely enough to get the slide over. They've got it again...
Be sure and subscribe. I'll be getting another video out when they get it back to me this time to see how they did the second try.
My upgraded P320 does the same thing. I have to lift up on the slide to get it over the disconnector then I have to push it down to get it on the rail. Its like a little puzzle and irritates me
Mine only went down about 20% of the time, and even then, it was just by happenstance that it did. There was nothing I could do to get it down. I sent it back and will be posting another video when I get it back from them the second time. Be sure to subscribe & I'll let y'all know how it turns out.
All the 320 is a half baked remake of sig 250.
Get rid of it. I sold off all my p320's... three of them because of this. I think it's a flawed design and I think sig Sauer is doing its customers DIRTY for not saying that it sold a firearm with some real problems... let us fix it.... they are calling it a voluntary upgrade... for an unsafe gun. It's bullshit and they are doing sig owners all kinds of wrong. It's embarrassing
traded my in for a Beretta APX 9mm...No regrets and the quality is superior to the Sig in my opinion.
I know lots of folks have gone with the APX, but I just can't seem to get behind it. I know it's a good gun, but it just doesn't fit me for some reason. I've got to say I've always been impressed with the Sig quality, but this one let me down. I sent it back and they got it fixed for me and it's running well now, but the process was a bit tedious. I've got a follow-up video if you're interested in seeing the final product. czcams.com/video/W5vZWZwsYH8/video.html
Thanks or watching & Taking the time to comment.
You have your takedown pin over rotated. On my 320 the pin needs to be straight down
Rob Hamilton It’s not over rotated. The specs say it should be from 90 past a couple of degrees and all are within tolerance. Before I send an off and now that I have it back the second time I do it that way every single time and it works every single time. The problem facing a gun lever, it was the disconnector. I have a new video and the lever is exactly where it is here with no problem.
I still not change my mind about Sig Sauer still a awesome gun no matter what and is funny how people who own glocks talk bad about sig you guys pay 500$ and more for a gun who have plastic sights and more garbage in the gun and if I remember Glock had a issue also once and not only about misfire and is a reason why Glock did not get the us army contract
I couldn't agree more. There have been issues throughout the year for every manufacturer. The've all produced weapons with something that's been need of recall. I honestly wouldn't trade my 320 for any Glock. Ran hundreds of rounds through the update & not one misfire. Amazing weapon
TXSuburbanHomestead same here I have 2 P320 one is updated and one not and both off then run perfect so I. It even send the second one in great video by the way
I took mine out to the range the same day I got it back . It shot just fine , however I'm not sure about this disconnect. It seams cheap and not durable. Any suggestions or comments about this ?
I've got a follow-up video on this. czcams.com/video/W5vZWZwsYH8/video.html
It is finally a working version. I've run several hundred rounds through it now and it's working really well. I've done a complete takedown of mine and the disconnect seems to be fitting just fine now and it seems pretty well built. If you've got any concerns, I'd recommend talking to Sig. They may pay to have it sent back to the factory, like they did mine, and check to make sure it meets specs.
Send that back to Sig!
I did. About 2 days after this video posted. If you're interested, this is my follow-up version after the second trip to the factory: czcams.com/video/W5vZWZwsYH8/video.html&lc=z23mizajrrbhuf11sacdp430dgq4t1ldkkbaex1vfrdw03c010c
TX,
Is it too soon? Curious to know if you got it back from Sig... I wonder if it's due to tolerance stacking?
Nothing yet. I've checked on the package tracking and they've had it just shy of a week now. No word from them at all. Thanks for checking. I'll keep you posted though.
That’s exactly what mine does. The slide wouldn’t go back on. I had to play with it
I was wondering if it’s because I pulled the trigger when I took the assembly out.
Ronald Anderson I honestly don’t know. I try to pulling the trigger, and not pulling the trigger. My disconnect seemed to reset when I took the slide off and I could never get it back down. I ended up sending mine back to the manufacturer.
If you want to see how mine turns out, please be sure and subscribe. I got a call from Sig yesterday and I should be getting mine back in a couple of days. I’ll get the follow up video posted as soon as I get it back from them. Thanks for watching & the comments. Good luck with yours.
I still have not sent my 320 in for the upgrade, because I had a feeling that something like this would happen, I would be furious if I got mine back like this, that is a issue that they are gonna have to fix, and keep your gun for another 6 weeks or so, thank you for sharing, from what I'm seeing you are not the only one having this problem, best of luck sir,
Thanks. I was none too happy, that's for sure, especially with how amazing it was before I sent it off. They've got it now and I'm expecting it to take much longer than the 6 days they had it before... If you want to see how it turns out, be sure and subscribe to the channel; I'll be posting another video when I get it back from them... the second time.
The reason I never sent mine back. Works great shoots great why would I let them “fix” it.
I should have just kept mine. The new trigger is nice, but not earth-shatteringly different than the previous one. I've got a follow-up video if you're interested. I finally got it back from the shop a second time and the disconnector is fixed and I actually get to run some rounds through the new setup.
I have noticed the resistance when taking slide on and off, but nothing like what your video shows. I would call them. Maybe email them the link to your video. Sigs customer service is usually top notch. I’m sure they will help you.
Craig Cooper you’re absolutely right. I called them two days after posting this video and they were amazing. I sent it back to them that day and the actual gun Smith who worked on my pistol called me directly today.
Thanks for watching & the comment. If you want to see how the next iteration turns out, please be sure and subscribe. I’ll be posting another video when I get it back from them in a couple days.
Does anyone know if a person buys a new SIG P320 at this time, is it already fixed?
I can't say for 100% certainty, but my best understanding is, yes. The last time I checked, they were all supposed to be switched over to the new setup by February.
Bismarck Perez I just purchased a brand new p320 yesterday and it Does Not have the new trigger or disconnect mods. I registered online for upgrade.
Just looking for a quick text answer- is it fine now that you got it back? THnx
bikeracerdude I literally got the FedEx box this morning. So far everything is working amazing. I just put 200 rounds through it at the range. I’m planning on getting a video posted tomorrow or Monday
SUPERB! Looking forward to the vid, and subscribed.
I will not send mine back in 2019. Its my primary edc.
Sig did not refinish some grinding that they did inside the slide.Sloppy.
got mine back and havent experenced this problem...maybe send it back?
Keven Rand I did end up sending it back after all. I sent it back a couple of days after I posted this video. I just got a call from them today. I spoke with the gunsmith worked on it and he said they should be shipping it back tomorrow. If you want to see how it turns out, please subscribe as I’ll be posting another follow up video once I get it back from them.
Thanks for watching & thanks for the comment.
Id send it back, my disconnector presses and locks down easily with a light press from the top, and resets back up with a trigger pull easily after my voluntary upgrade
I did end up sending it back. I've got a follow-up video on this one after the second trip to the factory. The issue ended up being resolved and it's running really well now.
I just got mine back form the "upgrade", or whatever they're calling it. It's too cold to go shooting today, so I'm chewing my fingernails in anticipation.
Combat Medic I sent it back again after this. I got it back last weekend & am lucky enough to have an indoor range here locally. I posted another video afterwards. It turned great. If you want to check out the final product, the video is posted on my channel.
Good luck & good shooting.
I have no disassembly or reassembly problems at all. I don't get the secondary trigger click. Should the trigger still click without a round in the chamber. I'm new to pistols. My ar's hammers always do. Do I have a problem, Houston? LOL
Combat Medic if you rack the slide, the mechanism engages and you should be able to pull the trigger and have a tactile and audible click without a round in the chamber. After that, you have to cycle the mechanism again by racking the slide. I always do this without a magazine in.
TY, but I figured it out. After removing and reinstalling the slide, the trigger wouldn't "cock". I then lock the slide back and then use the slide release, it works fine. Weird, huh? P.S. I love the upgraded trigger.
Combat Medic I agree. The new trigger is awesome
You have to push it all the way down.
Irving Lugo two weeks ago I would’ve said you’re right. However, mine wouldn’t go down at all so I sent it back to them. You should check out my new video after I got it back from them last weekend. Once everything is working as it should, the disconnector drops on its own. There’s no need to actually push it down anymore now that they have fixed it. Thanks for watching and the comment.
if it works like it did before you sent it then quit picking some people expect perfection out of a 500 dollar gun its not going to be and thats why you dont need a weapon if all your going to pick everything
That's the entire point of the video. It didn't work anywhere like it did before. I've got a couple of videos detailing my process of sending it back to the factory. When the slide won't go on, I'd jump out on a ledge and say that's not working as per manufacturer specs. And I don't see what me wanting something to work has anything to do with me needing a weapon.
Screw this P320. I am buying a Walther Creed. I want reliability and dependability and ease of takedown/assembly. I don't want a gun that comes with an automatic recall. I do not regard this as an upgrade. I've seen many videos where this P320 discharges when dropped. Someone will get killed by this problem....just a matter of time.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you should never buy a used firearm.
newdefsys I totally agree with you. If you’re interested how it turned out after I sent it back to them a second time, you should check out my latest follow up video. I only have about 200 rounds through it so far, but it’s running really well. The gunsmith at the factory took it down to parts and reassembled and whatever was catching, that must’ve sold. Thanks for watching and good shooting.
they are like that new idiot
Out of all these videos complaining about the P320, I wonder how many people making these videos actually go to the range and shoot the pistol.
L. Townsend You’re absolutely right. I will readily admit I never took it to the range. I put thousands of rounds through it before the recall. However, with such a clear defect in the internal mechanism of the pistol, particularly in the trigger and safety mechanism, I pose the question... would you have taken it to the range?
I appreciate you watching & thanks for the comment.
TXSuburbanHomestead No no I wouldn't have. SIG screwd the pooch on this one. Man I wanted the 320 to be awesome. But I think I'm done with new SIGs.
SasquatchyCowboy I will say, before I send it back to them, it was an amazing pistol. I do have another follow-up video to this one once I sent it back to them a second time. You should check that one out. It is again an amazing pistol know that it’s working.
TXSuburbanHomestead I'll check it out but honestly I've lost interest in Sig. And I'm maybe being a little too hostile towards Sig, but Smith & Wesson recalled their Shields because the trigger safety might not spring back. Sig seems like they tried to deny there was a problem with a 320, even though there was a mass of evidence that there was. And what is baffled me is the apologist. Ask yourself how how would you feel about it right now, with experiences you've had with the Sig 320, if it had been the Taurus 320. And honestly that's where my issue with this thing lies.
I completely get it. The "upgrade" vs. recall issue definitely rubbed me the wrong way. Moving forward, I'll definitely have pause when considering new Sigs like the new P365. Company issues aside, the actual pistol worked well for me before and, once actually fixed, is working well for me again.
Yep those are the glocks killers lol
If it don't fit ,don't force it dude.
My wife's bersa acted like that , and it was my fault. You got to not mess with things when the gun is apart. U pulled the trigger and put a mechanical item in interference.
No, it was a problem with the disconnector. I sent it back to Sig for repair & have a couple of follow-up videos. It actually doesn't matter with the 320 if you dry fire with the slide off, particularly before the "upgrade". It works fine now & I can again dry fire with the slide off & still get the slide back on no problem because the disconnector drops down to allow for the slide to go back on. This is the case for both a trigger pull & no trigger pull.
Thanks watching & taking the tome to comment.
Send it back asap. After contacting sig.
I definitely did. I just got it back from them this past weekend. You can check out my new video down below to see how it went. Thanks for watching & taking the time to comment.
czcams.com/video/W5vZWZwsYH8/video.html
TXSuburbanHomestead
Hey brother i just got my email to ship my 320 back. Can't wait to get to fedex in the am.
I don't know if you've seen the followup video yet, but I've got to say, it's worth it. The new trigger is a significant improvement over the original. Good luck & good shooting!
Good luck with it. Mine eventually turned amazing, but it took some effort.
I received back my upgraded P320. I am pissed. The damn thing now ejects the empty shell cases into my face and forehead 14 out of 15 rounds. I never had this problem with this pistol before the upgrade. I have another P320RX that I have not returned and it never ejects the shell cases into my face or head using the same ammo. I don't know if they damaged the ejector or did not reassemble the parts correctly after the upgrade. I am super pissed off! Has anyone else encountered this problem with their P320?
Thanks for the comment. I never even got to send a round downrange with my upgrade. I talked to Sig and sent it back the day after making this video. They were noncommittal on something being wrong. I'll get another video up when it gets back to me for a second time.
Well, I know that something is wrong with mine! Hot shells in the face isn't unacceptable.
Had same problem with gen 4 glock. Agreed , not acceptable. It's seems like theirs a crap load of striker poly guns but very few that are even worth a look for a carry gun.
Cool beans, did you get it fixed?
Judah Lion the glock was for my wife. We are now separated so I'm not sure if she ever sent it back or not. I'm the one with the original sig 320, debating weather to send mine in. I think I'm not even gonna wast the time and just get a m&p 2.0.... I'm always nervous when I buy firearms, have terrible luck.
Look for that made in Germany roll mark before you buy a sig and this pains me to say. I"ve worked in American manufacturing mostly machining for over 30 years profits are all they care about.
I honestly didn't know there were options for made in Germany. I thought they were all in NH.
A gun with only 34 parts is looking much more reliable. The P320 is way overengineered too many pieces for a service weapon wait til Big Army gets these the a war zone.
Hate to say it because I like the looks of the gun but maybe you should sell it and buy a walther ppq or any gen Glock because if they do one thing it's that they work.
I ended up sending it back to Sig. I was sad about this turnout from them. All of the rest of my dealings have been stellar. Prior to the upgrade the gun worked flawlessly. I'd put thousands of rounds downrange without even the smallest semblance of a mishap. It was batting 1.000. I hope to get it back from them any day now. If you're curious how it turns out, be sure and subscribe. I'll be posting another followup video once I get it back.
Thanks for watching & taking the time to comment.
Go glocks or smith&Wesson. Screw Sig our military should have stuck with the beretta.
Don't like the grip angle for the Glock. Just not comfortable for me. It's not like they're without issue though. They've had major recalls on triggers, trigger assembly, slide lock on full magazines, barrel lug issues, firing pins, & recoil spring. There's a major recall right now of the new 17's because the slides are falling off due to an issue with the slide lock/recoil spring.
I like Sig because for me, over the years, they've been reliable. This is one issue that was fixed at the factory (see my second video czcams.com/video/W5vZWZwsYH8/video.html). I do like the S&W Shield. I'm planning on getting the new 2.0 as my new carry gun soon. I've always liked the M&P, but haven't always liked their triggers. The new 2.0 has a much improved trigger than the originals.
It's junk
jesus christ push the fucking disconnector down. its not hard. to all questioning the upgrade all the p320 handguns from now on will have this. the mhs models have this disconnector too. all the new components together makes a better trigger than before. my new upgraded trigger has a shorter takeup and a smoother pull. the trigger no longer pulls if dropped also. its free and the turn around for mine was only 10 days. its worth it.
Wow, you're right. Why should I want it to not stick? I feel like such a fool that I didn't just get a bigger hammer. I've got a laceration on my thumb where it slipped off the disconnector trying to push it down and I cut myself on the rail. But you're right, it wasn't stuck, I'm just not enough of a man to push it down. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Tx,
That was pretty funny- LMFAO!
"If it's jammed, force it, and if it breaks- it needed fixing anyway"! LOL
If there's one thing I've learned from CZcams, it's to expect the unexpected in the comments. I don't know how the big channels do it!
Buy a M&P :) Problem solved.
Believe it or not, I checked out the new 2.0 this weekend! Much improved trigger over the gen 1.
That's exactly what I was gonna do. Cz p10c quality control sucks, walther ppq has shitty sights. M&p is what I'm going with I think
I see a glock in your future !!
I probably see a 1911 in my future!
Sig sucks bought Beretta APX
Maybe I should have... Before the upgrade, I loved the Sig. I still do, and the trigger is now the best I've used on a striker-fired, but that slide issue is just killing me. Thanks for watching.
Beretta APX sucks- I bought the P320.
bikeracerdude sig better if you want light primer strikes when you need pistol and not drop safe and don’t forget the only reason sig got military contract was $220 per unit price for each p320 light primer strikes czcams.com/video/iB-aZYy2v2k/video.html and fires when drop czcams.com/video/W8Oz6krEH_I/video.html
Sure black, sure.
I know there's a lot of subjectivity when it comes to handguns, but on the objective measures, mine had worked perfectly for the couple of years prior. I had no misfeeds, no misfires, and no light primer strikes. It's odd that in several thousand rounds that I didn't even have a faulty round, but I didn't. The Sig worked perfectly for me.
I have never liked the Beretta or it's predecessor on purely subjective measures, (fit in my hand, trigger, control locations/feel, etc.). I'm curious, what made you buy the APX over any number of quality, capable pistols from Sig, H&K, FN, Glock, S&W, etc.?
Sig is a POS. It took 21 days to get mine back. I will not recommend their firearm to ant of my classes. Hope our military does not have to use this firearm. Will not use mine to carry. Going back to my Glock.
I'd had a great experience with it prior to the "upgrade". I ran thousands of rounds through it with nary a problem. No misfires, no light primer strikes, no jams... nothing. It was batting a thousand. It was an amazing firearm right up to the point where I sent it back to them. It took a decidedly negative turn after their 6 day turnaround on mine...
Oh come on Glock had mine for almost 34 days back in 91 when I had to send my gin to back
Sig's turnaround was plenty fast. Maybe too fast. At first, I thought it was just because of their staggered recall. Based on my experience and all of the others I've seen, maybe it would have been better to take just a bit longer and get it right the first time.
Glock's pre-1992 pistols weren't drop safe and had to have six fire control parts replaced in Gaston Glock's "Voluntary Upgrade". Then there were the frame rail length issues that took Glock 4-5 attempts to fix. Then the Gen 4 debacle. Then the Gen M debacle that Indy PD had... (See link below for all the Glock Imperfection history)
Dumping my Glocks for the P320 platform was a great move for me and many others!
web.archive.org/web/20080604164428/www.thegunzone.com:80/glock/upgrade-faq.html
it is amazing how little people know the history.
I received back my upgraded P320. I am pissed. The damn thing now ejects the empty shell cases into my face and forehead 14 out of 15 rounds. I never had this problem with this pistol before the upgrade. I have another P320RX that I have not returned and it never ejects the shell cases into my face or head using the same ammo. I don't know if they damaged the ejector or did not reassemble the parts correctly after the upgrade. I am super pissed off! Has anyone else encountered this problem with their P320?
Judah,
I put up with that from my Glocks of all Generations for years, but I sold them after having great luck with the P320 platform- and now I don't have to spend a bunch of money on grip work, and metal sights.
Perhaps they saw some wear on your ejector and replaced it... If it doesn't clear up after 200-300 rounds, I'd give them a call.
Bikeracerdude, I appreciate the advice, but if they replaced the ejector, they should have let me know and test fired the gun to confirm proper function. I don't know that I can take 300 rounds of hot shell cases to my face and shaved head. It doesn't feel good.
I'm bald, and a lefty, so in my life I've dealt with lots of brass to the upper body... Wear eyepro and a hat until you've run enough ammo to determine if it just needed to be broken in.
It sucks that it's happening- but complaining on the internet isn't going to change anything.
It isn't going to work itself out. It doesn't need to be broken in. If you have brass hitting you, you have a serious issue with you gun or a piece of crap gun. I am attempting to warn others in case they experience a similar issue. As a matter of fact, another guy on CZcams, but a video out that he had a similar issue with his extractor being installed incorrectly by Sig when they did the upgrade.
judah,
Did Sig reinstall your extractor incorrectly?
Glocks of all Generations are infamous for BTF, and we lived with it and shot them anyway!