Vinyl Beginner: Does the Platter Matter for the BEST Sound Quality?
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- In this video I am continuing my new to vinyl playback journey by looking at the effects of the turntable platter for sound quality.
I have started my vinyl journey with the AVID HiFi Ingenium Plug and Play turntable which is essentially a record player setup ready to use from the factory. There is an upgrade path for it and one of the upgrades is the platter. You can replace the HDF Platter for a solid aluminium platter that weighs more than double. I was keen to hear what difference this might make and was shocked by just how much difference.
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Thanks for watching, One Mistake I have made in the video is describing the Platter that is included with the Ingenium as MDF when actually its HDF. Please do take that into account.
Other than that thanks for any cartridge recommendations you can give to me.
Terry, I had I look on avid Web site. The next upgrade is the power supply, you have two choices.
The speed accuracy is most important, with your heavier platter you now need to upgrade the power supply.
Then the arm followed by cartridge. Do these upgrades first, cartridge is the lest important.
Do not jump the gun. Do the upgrades in the right order. Start right you will ripe the best rewards.
Go out of sequence and you will miss out. Do it right it will save you money.
Do not make mistakes. Isolate the chassis. Power supply and platter upgrade for accurate speed. Arm upgrade. Followed by cartridge mm or mc. Good luck.
Although I have a Pro-Ject turntable, I can vouch for the difference that a better power supply makes.
All those things do affect sound, but the cartridge (the "microphone " for the actual sound vibration) is first and foremost! I like the "ortiphon blue", not too expensive, but sounds so!
Certainly changing the cartridge changes the sound, but not necessarily for the better. Also, you can over do it. If you put an expensive cartridge on a poor arm it won't help you. I wouldnt spend much more on a cartridge than on the arm as a rule of thumb.
Yes changing the cartridge can make a difference but the turntable and then the arm are much more important. Any noise coming from the turntable or arm resonances can affect the cartridge.
I would never put a dampener on someone's vinyl journey an you are clearly enjoying all that you have so far, I would jus say don't try an look for a clear digital sound on vinyl in my humble opinion there is a difference in cd sound an vinyl sound an there should be, I love cds an all the things about digital sound it's really great but vinyl has an should have its own sound which is not crystal clear I know u mentioned about the crackles an pops an as you say that can be bad pressing or that it's a old well played record but I think vinyl should have a slightly unclean sound, I have an all technics set up with an old 70s turntable an spendor bc1 speakers from the early 70s, the only upgrade I've made is the stylus as you can't buy the original stylus for that turntable anymore so I've got an ortofon 2m red which is great an does a fantastic job I'd jus say try not to find the sound that you are used too on vinly let the vinly be a different sound from digital an I think you may enjoy your vinly more good videos though I've enjoyed them all..
When I used a 2M Red, I was amazed at the difference adding an Origin Live Cartridge Enabler made to it's sound, by hifi standards it was a cheap upgrade @ now £27 . 😉
Happy listening to all 🎶🎶
Jim 🏴🙂
A good vinyl set up eclipses CD in terms of performance, but it doesn't come cheap.
I have been a keen Ortofon MC cartridge user for many years - highly recommended:-)
9:39 The higher the system resolution is, the more a non-issue clicks and pops become. I'm not sure whether this is because of the time smearing of these disturbances that a lower resolution system causes which along with its obligatory higher noise floor etc. result in less music and more music masking or because of the usual lower dynamic range of a lower resolution system (clipping) which could lead to various sound artefacts. Maybe its both but it largely depends what isolated qualities we imply with the term "higher resolution". A turntable/tonearm/cartridge engineer is needed to answer this but there are so many solutions to the problem of accurate record replay as there are tonearms and cartridges so I guess one can expect equally as many answers.
Cheers Terry, that tonearm isn't an Avid product. It's a Rega RB330 which while not an expensive tonearm is a very well regarded TA that will take just about any cartridge you throw at it. Without knowing if your phono stage is MM only or capable of low voltage MC cartridges it's tough to make direct suggestions. Certainly, Audio Technica and Ortofon carts would be a great upgrade. Assuming you're not MC capable right now The the Ortofon OM2 Black would be a terrific upgrade in the $900 range.It's one of the most popular MM carts though there are dozens of other choices certainly. I would think the Rega RB330 tonearm will take you many years to out grow - and new cartridges will make one of the biggest changes in your sound quality - more than a new tonearm, for certain.
I'm sure it's challenging starting now with vinyl - I got my first 'table in 1965 and have never been without one since that time. Currently, using a Rega P8 with an Ortofon Cadenza black MC cartridge - close to $6000 into that combo but it sounds great. Best to you.
Thanks for sharing your steps along the upgrade
Great video! With my experience everythingakes a difference with vinyl playback even if you change to feet of the table you can hear it! Also depending of the type of oil I use on the spindle will make a difference as well!
🤗TERRY ONE OF MY SONS…was given a turntable and is enjoying the journey and I hope he continues to enjoy it,…but myself I honestly have been down this road and I never want to do it again …TO MUCH WORK AND I AM OLD AND LAZY, TBH😁💚💚💚
I once shortlisted the ingenium and asked about upgradability. I was told there wasn't one by the dealer. The ingenium arm/cartridge combo was the only one that worked well on this turntable. This was apparently advice given by AVID themselves via the dealer. Once I heard that I went a different route. So i'd be interested to hear if this advice has changed in the last two years.
Thanks for another interesting review Terry 👍
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Really enjoyed the video mate. Good luck on your vinyl journey! I've heard difference even in record mat material. It's amazing how everything matters to different degrees.
well said Sir 👍
I grew up with vinyl as a youngster and had very few other options at the time, crackling was to be expected in fact when placing a new album on my very cheap stand-alone turntable hearing the crackling of a new album made me smile. However the crackling faded into insignificance when Bat out of Hell fill the room at ear-deafening volume. Alas time passes and I'm now looking to drag my extensive vinyl collection out of storage after a long period out of the HIFI realm and invest in a new system. I only came across your reviews a few weeks ago and the fact you are on the same inexperienced journey (Vinyl Only) to find the same is perfect for me. I'm all ears as your reviews are intuitive, simplistic, and clear to me as a very all-over inexperienced HIFI Newby
All very well, folks recommending the power /speed control unit and tonearm upgrades first, the psu starts at 1100gbp and rises to 1500 gbp, a good tonearm upgrade is probably going to be upwards of 750 to 1200 gbp.....(Origin live /audio mods etc), a decent cartridge upgrade is the best bang for buck in the meantime.
agreed 👍
Very interesting video. I'm following your vinyl journey with great interest, as the Avid turntable was also in my selection, even though I ultimately opted for a Rega. I have made the experience that with every small or big change you make noticeable steps forward. Sometimes it's the little things that you don't expect much from that make you sit in front of the turntable in amazement. I made this experience with a Slipmat (Dereneville Magic Mat). What a difference a mat can make. This mat has had as big an effect as upgrading the cartridge from the Ortofon 2M Red to the 2M Bronze. In my opinion, with every change that works, you pull a little more away from the curtain and have a better view of the music.
Terry, As far as any potential cartridge upgrade it needs to be selected as a proper match with the supporting tonearm. So I'd suggest you reach out to Conrad at AVID for their recommendation, since if you go to far up in a new cartridge it could require a new tonearm to be a solid combo. A new tonearm on the other hand could support a wider variety of cartridges, so like most things in high end audio there are often tradeoffs to be considered. Again AVID could advise you as to what upgrade path will give you the largest performance upgrade for your money and the most logical path to pursue. Good luck on your analog journey and hope this helps! Cheers, - Bill
Yeah Bill, this is the confusing part for sure and I can get some advice that way, but as I said at the start the user advice is also really helpful as its different perspective then I can add everything up and make my own decision, knowing full well I will likely get it more wrong than right but that is part of it.
I highly recommend a Nagaoka cartridge such as the MP150.
Very useful, helpful and interesting indeed. Linn also recommends upgrading the cartridge at last. Talking about cartridges, Audio Technica and Ortofon, are probably great matches to a turntable in this price range. The Ortofon 2M Bronze MM is recommended by many to be in the sweet spot between sound quality and cost. being a Thorens fanboy the Thorens TAS 1600 or TAS 1500 are really great MC cartridges. They are made by Audio Technica to Thorens specs. They heave an exceptional good compliance for MC cartridges, which combines the best of MC and MM cartridges.
Great video, Terry and well done on upgrading your turntable before the rest of the rig. You have proved for yourself just how much benefit you get by improving the platform.
As regards next steps, logic would say carry on to the arm next, but there comes a time when that cartridge really has to go! Choices I would consider range from small improvements with the likes of the Goldring E3 or Nagaoka MP110.
If you want a serious jump, then I used a Goldring G1042 for a while, which for moving magnet was really excellent. It has a much better stylus profile too, so the background crackles will be quieter still.
Finally, to really dig out the detail and hear what your turntable can do, then I suggest going down the moving coil route. It’s a bit marginal with your arm, but I suspect you’ll get away with it. I’m using one on my Linn LP12 with the Akito arm. It’s amazing.
On collecting, don’t be afraid to go the second hand route, providing you’ve invested in a record cleaning machine like my Project VCE. I picked up a lovely first pressing of Fairground Attraction, First of a Million Kisses, on Saturday for £7. Bargain! Ebay is a great source too.
Good luck with your continuing journey.
Edit: sorry, forgot to say which moving coil cartridge! It’s the Audio Technica AT-OC9SXL. 😄
I got the same turntable as well as the platter so following your video related the topic quite enthusiastically. I upgraded the cartridge to TAD Green Excalibur from Germany - which is version of the Hana EH specifically designed to match the Rega arm. Maybe it worth to check for you too!
You can review the table with Ortofon 2M RED or 2M Black. Many people are familiar with these, and as such this choice will establish a baseline for their understanding of the performance benefits of future upgrades to your TT.
Excellent Video Terry. As usual, you are aways on point, one of the best Reviewers on CZcams. Wow, surprised you have not been into Turntables. Its never too late 😀. Avid is definitely one of the best on the Planet. They make some SOTA (state of the art) equipment.
Their Factory is in the same area where I was stationed in the USAF/RAF, Huntingdon Cambs. I was one of the first owners of a Volvere TT
here in the USA. You can go really far with Avid but, you will be spending a lot of cash. The Avid Phonostages is a different ball game, really special. Keep up the great work, All the best.
Terry the cartridge you should try is the Rega Exact. If you can borrow one to play with.
Welcome to the vinylmadness Terry🤪
It is madness when your up into the early hours researching tone arm and cartridge compliance is when you know you have well and truly lost your marbles
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It is a progressive illness this audiofile diagnosis. Only gets worse no cure 🙊🙊🙊
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Yes! Working out resonance in the small hours...
It’s definitely a preference thing but since I got a acrylic platter I’ll probably never go back to a mat. Not necessarily because it changes the sound much of at all but I do love how easy it is to clean and how it looks. I just hit it with a carbon fiber brush and it’s ready to go.
Terry, I love your videos and have been watching from the beginning. As far as upgrading your turntable, Just ask Michael Fremer.
WOW! Content quality is superior! Great upgrade.
Cartridge suggestion: Hana EH. A high output MC cartridge compatible with MM phono stages.
When I upgraded to my AccousticSolid MPX from a Project X2, I immidiatly felt the difference in mass (it's a 75lbs table) It's hard to describe, but it does make a difference.
in my experience the weight of the platter makes more difference that the material. the material can make a small difference, but isn't super noticible unless if the record isn't coupling with the platter (ie its slipping) for some reason or another. One top of the platter weight, the drive system implementation can affect the sound characteristics in some ways too.
Sou you produce 300 videos, are one of the best channels on youtube and here you unveil as a analogue rookie, are open for contradictions and are on your own individual journey and share it with us. I love that. Beginning by 0 and I'll join your travel. So the Mdf sound less analytical and more musical, butt less involving and less livelike ?! I can't suggest any cartridge but Grado or Rega, Ortofon or Audio Technica should have one for you.
Nah not more musical more coloured which can mask some other not so good bits and end up with a more pleasing result in ways. The aluminium platter will open the door wider the system potential especially when things are better such as what I have done since this video. More on that soon. and thanks for noticing and appreciating what I am doing. Thanks
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Make sure Avid can give you advice on what carts that arm will take. It looks like a RB 101 to me. I had problems upgrading carts on that particular arm. I would talk to Avid.
I’d trial the ortofon bronze , lovely full rich sound
Hi Terry, I'm using a goldring g1042 on my ingenium with the upgraded platter. They work very well together.
I remembered from the messages, for my purposes of trying things out I didnt really want to jump straight up to that price point, but I will speak to Goldring, another British brand., Have you adjusted anything with the arm or just unscrewed and then screwed the new one in?
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Actually the lads at hi-fi corner put the cart straight on for me when I bought the ingenium but I'm sure you definitely have to adjust the counter balance, a set of digital stylus scales would be advantageous in this regard as the stock rega arm doesn't have any weight guide on it....A steady hand and excellent eyesight would also be nice.lol.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Another thing is that this rega arm will pretty much work with any mm cart you care to throw at it, It starts to become problematic when you start thinking about moving coil cartridges as they tend to need a arm with a higher mass. Maybe looks at some of the more entry level audio technica or ortofon carts and the Nagaoka mp110 gets high praise. I know the ortofon 2m blue gives you more of a digital type sound like cd funnily enough.
Thanks mark, I have already got scales and adjusting the weight is the straight forward bit, its more raising the arm up or not to change the angle that concerns me. Not so much for me, but if I am to talk about this in public its important I dont make too many silly mistakes.
I have a lot of contacts in the industry I am sure I can get some more advice but part of me just wants to get on with it, I dont have any patience sadly.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Terry, I don't think the arm has any adjustments for tracking angles etc, as for height, it would probably be shims between the tonearm head and cartridge, if I'm not mistaken, you have to go a bit up the chain for a tonearm with these types of adjustment, The ingenium tonearm is pretty much a rebadged rega rb220...it's about as basic as it gets.lol.
A great upgrade to the current cartridge is the Hana EL....also the Shelter 201 moving magnet. They are very close to the current cartridge, as far as size, specs, and requirements, and will fit your current tone arm nicely. I have spoken to Conrad via email. He said that the Hana EL would work very well, and that it is a very popular upgrade path.
Yeah I have been researching and the Hana fit for compliance which is great, I had never heard of Shelter thanks for the reco, appreciate it
@@PursuitPerfectSystem yes, the Shelter 201 Is the first mm cartridge made by them. One reason I recommend the two, Hana and Shelter, is the weight and the height. The Rega arm cannot be adjusted for VTA, unless you use spacers. Also the compliance of both Hana and the Shelter are medium, so a good match for the arm as well. I also own the ingenium with the mdf platter. I contemplated on the platter upgrade, but am going to hold off a bit. Your video has made me further interested in that upgrade path. I have not changed the cartridge yet, but the aforementioned cartridges are on standby....
The Hana EL is a wonderful sounding cartridge, and very highly recommended! I've been using one for years. You will love it. I use a step up transformers and a tubed phono preamp. Beautiful sound.
First - great video. Love you approach. That turntable is gorgeous.
Hana sl or ml are great options. Hana also offer a high output version for those that don’t have an mc phono pre amp.
I had exactly the same oem audiotechnica on a sony turntable and swapped it out for the nagaoka mp200 the difference night and day and that turntable isn’t a match to what your using.
I'd suggest addressing the power supply/motor controller first.As for cartridge rec's, consider the Goldring 1022(mm) or Denon DL 103(mc)
Hi there. Perhaps HANA cartidges can work . But what is that 'ironing' thing you did on the record on 9:10? Thank you.
Thats a Furutech DeStat III removing the static before placing the record down is supposed to be the best way. There is a video where a guy does all manner of tests and that seemed like the best approach
Terry one tweak you can make which will make an immediate improvement is to move the turntable away from the speakers. Closer to your seating position.
I cant it wont work in the room and for being on camera purposes, that dictates a lot
Hi mate, is the platter or the platform the best upgrade initially? Lobe this series and hope to see more vinyl contnent soon ❤
Sorry I dont know, I started with the platform and didn't before and after test it, my brain tells me the platter is closer to the stylus which is the critical part of the TT so it seems to make sense to do that first, but dont quote me on it
The cartridge is not the be all and end all, if you put the deck on the floor and walk around its going to sound like ----- so first you need a platform to stop all vibration, then you need a deck that can control the rotation and not put and vibration into the arm/cartridge, then the arm needs the best construction and bearings before you can fit a cartridge that will then give its best, as it won't be chucked around in the grove, all rather logical really. A Ferrari engine in a push bike frame won't work. keep up the good progress you are making with the vinyl, your path is working well. ( yes I just watched the platter upgrade and the power supply one) bit back to front but I am new here and finding your pursuit of vinyl interesting.
Hi Terry, how much output do you need from your cartridges? Can you drive low moving coil cartridges? Do you want to explore step-up transformers? Best recommendation will be made knowing your phono stage output.
I dont know, I have a couple of phono stages available to me with high and low gain settings, step up transformers is too much for a beginner I feel and too much for me at the mo
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Step-up are hugely underrated. It gives a lot of flexibility since it will add a good 10-12 DB to the phono stage. Where it can be nearly impossible to run a very low output cartridge adding a step-up solve the problem. It is also very cheap for what it can do. In any case, it's fun to experiment. Cheers from Canada,
Hi how much better is the avid ingenium compared to technics 1500?
In terms of suitable cartridges, It's hard to say. The one fitted looks similar to Audio Technica and Nagaoka. It might be worth asking around for, or stumping up for an above entry level cartridge like the Audio Technica AT-VM95SH, or the Nagaoka MP110. They may or may not offer a better listening experience, but it would be interesting to know the performance level of the cartridge fitted. Although, it's clear the turntable was designed with that cartridge in mind, so it's hard to suggest. It could be that it out-performs higher cost/level cartridges because of this. I guess you won't know until you give something a go. Which is all part of the fun, isn't it, the experimenting? :)
Thats exactly what I want to try this, pure curiosity
My rega p8 has a glass plater and that is very good
Can recommend Ortofon 2M black very detailed Moving magnet .
i would prefer the Ortofon Cadenza Black S (funny name)
If you hear surface noise, then you have a dirty record. Invest in a wet cleaning machine (vacuum or ultrasonic).
A pretty common cartridge for this level TT is an Ortofon 2M blue (~$300); not sure about compliance and all that. You could also go for a 2M black ($700) in MM land, with the understanding that this cartridge would require a better TT for full exploitation of its sonic qualities. But then you can put the 2M black on the next TT. Not sure you have MC options on your phono stage or integrated. I got a SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC* ($2K) and a very happy with it (on a VPI super prime scout with a 20 lb (~9 kg) platter ~$4K). As a rough rule, spend about half of TT cost on cartridge. The 2M black is my step-down option from the SS MIMC*. Not bad, but there is a bit more sparkle and detail in the SoundSmith.
I had a wet cleaning machine about 2 years before I started doing this project, I have cleaned the records well its not related to that, 99% sure
Everything thing matters in audio.
Cartridges to look at nagaoka mp150. Goldring 1006. Audiotecnica 95ml. Linn adikt.
You could get Origin Live to upgrade your arm, or maybe swap it for an Onyx.
Weight holds vibration. The Rega obsession Is correct.
with this TT its designed to push vibration down into the sub chassis fwiw
Please don't make the mistake of changing the cartridge first, it is not the way things are done.
The rule is feed back vibration first. Isolate the turn table. Second is platter speed which you have addressed, you changed to a metal platter.
Third is the arm. Improve the arm to get more out of your existing cartridge. Cartridge is always the last thing to change.
Consider looking at changing the stylis, an upgrade in stylis profiles can yield good results.
Moving coil is not always the way to go. Moving magnet can out perform Moving coil, when mounted to a very good arm.
Very expensive Moving coil cartridges are only slightly better. As you know it's all subjective. Go with what sounds good to you.
I have recently upgraded my linn lp12. To selekt specification. Had my linn lingo mk1 recapped. Still using my ekos mk2 arm.
Kore and karousel upgrades. I have gone back to a Moving magnet cartridge had a linn adikt fitted.
Something I looked deeply in to and resurched extensively. This was to find a to notch Moving magnet phono stage.
I can recommend the Legonklou slipsik 8. Look no further Legonklou. Look them up Terry. Amazing stuff.
Trade it for a linn LP12. You can not go wrong. Good luck with the Vinyl journey. I look forward to seeing what route you take.
All the very best.
Downside with Rega arms is with most cartridges you will need spacers
Yeah that is work-around-able so long as you know what to do, I suppose how much spacer to add. That is why I was asking the question to learn from and glean information from those who might have done it already.
Not necessarily imho, don't know anyone in real life who has heard a difference 😉
Very necessary if the cartridge body is hitting the record tho.
Just my two cents. 😉
Happy listening 🎶.
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MDF, SANDWICH, ALLOY, GLASS AND ACRYLIC ALL HAVE THEIR ADHERENTS; MY CHOICE IS ACRYLIC.
Hanna EL M/M OR HANNA SL MC very good cartridge
Tonearms rega rb3000 or rb880. If you want to hear better sound go big.
You would have done better to have gone for the avid Diva deck. More scope with that one. Save yourself money and Hart ack. Just go to the top of the range. That's ware it starts to get good. Good luck Terry.
I could have started anywhere, but more complexity would not have helped me initially as would have been fiddling with things I don't really understand. That can come later and if you start the journey at the end there is no journey to talk about, but if you start the very beginning you will learn a lot more on the way. That is how I am looking at it
Ok Terry, this will make for good CZcams content. Fine my me. Also a good plug for avid. It's going to cost you money Terry. Ingenium it limited. You can change the arm. And then the cartridge and that's it, a dead end. If your happy with the sound that's great. But as you know it doesn't stop there. So more Money. Did you check out Legonklou.
I watched one of your videos on computer stored music. It lead me to perchesing a laptop. Audio optimizer. Fidelizer Pro. Process lasso. And minorityclean. Now call majiorityclean 29o something.
Laptop plays through Naim dac V1. Absolutely stunning sound.
So thankyou Terry for that video. I had a lovely journey of digital discovery. Bliss.
I now have the best of both worlds. Digital and analogue.
I've been into hifi since a teenager. I'm now 62yrs. Good on yer Terry. Regards.
The computer audio journey is very similar to the vinyl journey, its about trying things and working out whats what. It took me 10 years to do that with computer audio but that was before I worked in the trade.
Now I am in the trade I can shortcut the time as I can access different kit on review loan very easily so I dont have to worry about making financial mistakes. Whats more important is understanding whats what so I can talk about it and explain it a;l; correctly like I could with computer audio. Its hard to do that without some breadth of experience as I need to know what causes what to sound like it does. You only experience that by changing things
Your situation is what I havent had, access to both and I realised that a couple of years ago but COVID stopped the plans I had but its happening now so that is cool
Terry I support you all the way.
I'm tingling with anticipation, I can't wait for your next video.
The digital journey of discovery, is it about finding the lowest jitter distortion.
The vinyl analogue journey of discovery, is it about finding the lowest mechanical distortion. Food for thought.
Sumiko Songbird is nice
I wasnt looking to go that high initially but it does look like it would work from what I can tell from the spec, thanks
@@PursuitPerfectSystem no worries. You can always work up to higher end carts over time. Another good choice is the Hana at $500
That def is the plan but its important I dont skip steps and experience as much as I can along the way to build a fuller experience point of products at different price points. I think somene else suggested a Hana
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I agree with you.
I would go for a better cartridge
£450 for an aluminium platter to replace the default HDF one - seems like an awful lot of money to me.
If you only look at it in those terms, but if you look at it as £450 to significantly improve the soundstage, clarity, focus and the potential of the turntables sound it's a very different money spent proposition. Its a big change in sound
I saw the marantz last week funny enough and I would chose the Avid over it personally but you might feel differently
I was playing with the it just recently as I found it extremely difficult to find the power on switch which is hidden behind one of the legs, a very strange place to have it thats hard to get to. Its got a nice cart on it but that will be wasted unless the arm and table are exceptional for a thousand pound cart and for the total cost of the Marantz your not getting that. See this video here as its all explained czcams.com/video/q-g9kaybu0U/video.html. The better the cart the more of the noise created by the table and arm it will pick up, makes perfect sense.
Each to their own but I was not impressed with the build quality, the AVID build quality is exceptional that is what I am basing my opinion. on. Its looks nice though which is why it caught my attention
You've fallen into the trap of mass. Sound travels very well through mass. Eg sonar. A very light, stiff platter is all you need. Modern electronics can spin a platter accurately
vinyl playback is a mix of pros and cons, so there are always both to consider
An AC motor is a bad bad idea… the alternating current will increase variation in speed and noise… honestly, a Turntable is not cheap to get right. If you only have a few thousand $, just get a used model. You’re not going to get better sound (vs digital) with a low cost TT - if you just like the process of spinning vinyl, that’s different.
You wont go back to digital after hearing a good vinyl playback system.
Still makes me sick to see that AT-3600 cartridge.
Music taste is subjective, noise on the other hand is not.
Haha. Well let’s hope Santa is an audiophile who likes your channel and will give you the benefit of the doubt…
when records make your cd player sound like garbage you have a mid quality turntable
I think you could just easily say when records make your CD player sound garbage you have a mid tier CD player lets not get carried away here
@@PursuitPerfectSystem well i have a cd player belt driven and considered at the time in the 90´s the best there was ,today is still for sale for 36.000€ from CEC that built a lot of turntables for several brands in the 70´s mainly pioneers that were the first to use CEC turntables and cd players i have the best there were since 1987,open that turntable and open a 76 direct drive technics ,any model and look if it as anything related .The SL-1200 is only a working horse but far from being a good turntable in sound or quality ,i had two mkII bought in 79 ,but only to work with at home i had several better since late 60´s till today like garrard and thorens professional model and they do sound perfect today with a good 70´s cartridge , but the one i use the most are the SL-1000mkII from 79 and a PLC-590 series 20 from pioneer(a older model) ,today it´s almost impossible to get a better sounding one in all senses, and have also other components that are very good today and still from the 70´s the ones i bought in the 80´s and 90´s were good but not comparable to the old 70´s ones ,in 1980 all brands decreased a lot their components quality, it was told that was to make them afordable to more people but where are the good ones?none and to spend 100.000€ in anew system i did it because i can i was looking to my mercedes from 2015 and notice a signature brand i looked for it in internet and there was a fantastic brand ,Burmeister ,only cd player and turntable and other components to make them sound perfect ,you pay a lot but they come to your listening room and install themselves the system if needing some work to be at 100% quality they install several parts to make it sounds as they promisse on their site, look for it, they have sevral prices and all it´s good
Do you think the dac in the cd player from the 90s is the equivalent of one today in terms of sound quality? I didn’t know belt driven cd players was even a thing
@@PursuitPerfectSystem well you should caught up ,there are many now for the same reason they(stupid people don´t like direct drive in turntables or rpm changers ),but handling the belt is okay, like if we had sterelized hands,. in the 80´s there was a thing called DAT and it´s digital recording for home use ,if they don´t have a good DAC how do they sound better than any cd or even recorded from a cd the recording sounds better, this is a new form of stealing from people, as the pre-amps for everything even to headphones, DAC´s are just one more thing ,as if compact disc players haven´t got one even those who cost above 5.000€´s ,as computers have a dac also and before you could choose which dac you wanted installed in your computer or there wasn´t any sound coming from them who are digital devices, digital is very good for several reasons but not the compact disc,i´m not saying that records will always be better but why don´t they release a format that can be better than the vinyl format as new turntables and cartridges are a new form of stealing ,in the 80´s people using average cassette decks would notice the cassettes having better sound than the cd they bought and recorded from , this if having a good component system that not all have enough money to spend on one, mine are 3 at my home even in my garage i have a 90´s component system to meet my alive friends without having them at home at 5 in the morning drunk or high,even in the garage i have a plexy-glass wall so they don´t have access to some of my old cars, all of this makes no sense ,just a way of getting more money from a person without spending many (or money)jsut compare records from mid 70´s and their newwer cd versions for sure you know anybody who as a good hi-fi system from the 70´s ,because in 1980 all brands decreased a lot their hi-fi components ,mainly if you have a high-end 70´s system ecven from 72 ,hook on it a cd player and tell me which sounds the better the cd in a new amplifier or in a old or you think tube amplifiers are a fake , no they do sound better and try to conect a cd player to them and tell me which sounds better the new or the old ,DAC´s were better than this in the 80´s or digital recording wasn´t possible like the worst sounding dire straits LP "brothers in arms" recorded digitally" or later ten sumoners tales" from Sting or what the hell they call to that album ,also digitally recorded but when seeing him playing live only had analog instruments,.if cd players are so good why do you have to buy a dac ,ask yourself that ,my burmeister cd player as a internal dac do i need another ,well i only spent 40.000€ on it which DAc i will have to conect it ,and why the only have turntables or dac´s on a more than 100.000€ system and they assemble it themselves in your home so it can sound the better they advertise, check it on-line as the CEC belt driven cd player and tell me about their DAC´s
@@PursuitPerfectSystem No ,they were better even in the 80´s ,have you ever heard of DAT deck, a home digital recorder?
I'm not really a fan of cork mats rubber and Coke is better
But try copper that will give you a more definition and livelier sounds.. just place it on top of the mat that's fixed on there 5 mm is better but you'll need to adjust VTA when you going to get the Alex Jones speakers in 🫣 you sent him an email yet 🤞
One of the best cartridges and at a remarkable prize is the (goldring ethos..! ) give it a go check the compliance with the arm should be alright. And compatibility to phono stage.