Google Created a New Device Tracking Network
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- In this video I discuss how Google is creating a Find My Device network similar to apples that relies on peoples nearby devices pinging your phone or Bluetooth tag to track it across the globe.
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Always loved the "We _only_ have the location data, but it isn't tied to a person!". As if the phone doesn't sit idle for 8 hours every night at the same location.
Just like VPN providers promise "NO logs, trust me BRO!" cracks me every time. lol
The best feature both Apple's Find My and Google's FindMyDevice should have, is to be able to remotely unlock a phone. I work at a phone shop and lately many customers are getting locked out of their phones due to some malware setting or changing their screen lock password, it's crazy. Samsung Account used to have this feature but removed it in December 2023 for some reason.
Exactly lol. Wanna guess how many people spend eight hours at your house and then eight hours at your job? Wonder who that could be.
Mullvad tells the truth @@BillAnt
@@Maxawa0851 - I don't trust any of them, when the "glow boys" come knocking, logs appear miraculously out of the thin air. ;D
Best to use a no-infos burner phone's hotspot while on the road along with TOR. Anything else can be tied back to your location one way or another.
The cyberpunk dystopia is not rapidly approaching, it's already here. We just don't have any of the cool shit.
big sad because the dystopia happened before the cyberpunk ☹️
I WANT MY CYBER COCK
To be fair, most of the Cyberpunk shit is just hardware we already have that's cobbled together by techie people who are self taught and know how to adapt tools to their use case. Sure we don't have access to nanomachines and cheap neural implants, but that's about it outside of crazy shit like active cloaking, teleporting etc
yeah where is my cyberengineered fully titanum Peckmaster 6K50 with a vibration function? the corpo's of this world are lame as hell, you would expect that the first thing you would see is male enhancement tools but alas we see no such thing, well I guess I need to tackle life with my magnum dong
@breakfast7595 "that's about it" *names tech that would rapidly change everything*
I feel like these companies are just figuring out more different ways to track us each day
Using Samsung's galaxy tag is fine, registration isn't required. But Google... never
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
There is open source software to find your device without all the spookiness
It's been like this for the past 10 years now. All started when Cook took over apple. Also government surveill@nce is now a huge factor.
Really? What evidence do you have to support such an outlandish claim? /s
Communication devices that work when a device is "off" is incredibly sketchy.
I don't know why people don't talk about that stuff more like Intel ME & AMD PSP and phones where it is pretty much impossible to actually turn it off without destroying it or wrapping it in foil.
Nah It ain't okay at all for a device to communicate with anything when it's off.
Intel ME on a phone would be even worse because there's no way to detect incoming connections though the carrier network. Network connections ment for the out-of-bound management interface are diverted at the network controller and never forwarded to the OS. On a computer you can atleast monitor upstream in the local network, on a phone with cell service you're flying blind to any connections.
If you lose or get your phone stolen, tracking would keep working even if it's powered off or the battery dies (tracking still works with very little power left), unless the battery gets physically disconnected. The idea is good, but creates a privacy issue, the proverbial two edged sword. Unfortunately tin foil won't block UWB signals, you need a Faraday cage.
Google releases new technology ➡️ they assures us that its private ➡️ turns out it’s no private 🔁 repeat
Whats weird is that "Find My Device" isn't new, at all.
I've been using it for at least 5 years lmfao? I'm actually surprised how many people, MO included, are acting like this is new when you can clearly tell its not.
@@RiddimWook10the difference is that what we had was an "if my GPS is turned on" thing. Now it works whenever it can without GPS using other devices around.
@@RiddimWook10find my device isn't new. The find my device **network** is. It now works without mobile- and gps data and on Pixel 8 devices even when the phone is off.
"I sure hope Apple or Google open-sources their..."
HAHAHA
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Eh. Google has a decent amount of open source projects. I respect that at least. Apple on the other hand...
@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX they have but the aosp has been slowy but surely being crippled by google. And new features stay on the closed source side
@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX Name one. And it must be made and maintained by Google, not stolen or killed by Google.
@@milesfarber Dude, that will take you seconds to look up. I'm not going to debate someone that lazy.
Love when they continue to give my data away!
thank you for sharing your opinion and contributing to the database.
Capitis deminutio. Seriously, look at anything that legally refers to your legal corpus/person. It's not YOUR data because they literally own you.
Boris Johnson Google speech.
To Whom It May Concern:
I am requesting you, as the data controller of the Software, to confirm whether it is processing any personal data about me.
If so, please provide me with all the required information stipulated in Article 15 of the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), including:
• a copy of my personal data;
• the purposes of the processing;
• the categories of personal data concerned;
• the recipients you disclose my personal data to and the safeguards you provide;
• the retention period for storing my personal data or the criteria used for determining this period;
• information about the source of my personal data; and
• the existence of automated decision-making (including profiling), and if so:
- the logic involved in the decision-making process;
- the significance and the envisaged consequences for me;
- the steps you have taken to prevent errors, bias and discrimination; and
- explain how I can express my point of view and challenge a decision.
This request relates to any processing of my personal data by you, including any processors processing personal data on behalf of you.
Please provide your response through secure means by email. I look forward to receiving a response within one month of the receipt of my request.
Sincerely,
@@qlippoth13is this one of those schizo takes
"Buy your mom a faraday cage"
I carry one for my iPhone. I only use it for app development and when I don't need it for my work, it goes off and into the faraday cage. It's just a shame that you cannot opt-out of this shtt.
Fit your home walls with steel mesh
doesn't always work. they even have proved it. the only guarantee is 2 ft of concrete
@@prakharmishra3000 I did recently thought about this. Would also solve the shtty 2.4Ghz over-crowdness.
Google has had this feature for a decade at this point . . .
Thats what I was thinking? I use it at least 5 times a week because I'm bad about forgetting where I put my phone.
Right? I think the new thing is just the tag
The new thing is that it works with bluetooth and even if the device is turned off.
@@doanity for clarifying
@doani if location was turned on in a Samsung Android OS when it shut down it would ping location for the past few years though I don't get how this is new? I might need to read release on it I guess idk.
The new thing u
Closed source tech also allows them to lie about what it does. Neither of these tracking techs limits itself the way google described, rather they have two buckets to contribute to: the public service and the data harvesting one.
The tracking tags are undeniably useful. Like the last time I went on holiday, the cruise line delivered my luggage to the wrong room. Having a Galaxy SmartTag on it would have made it easier to track down. But that's where big tech gets you. In a perfect world, the tech wouldn't get abused. But we don't live in a perfect world. Maybe someone can create a true open source variant. But then you're limited to people having the app installed and running in order to find anything beyond the short range of your own device's Bluetooth LE. Unfortunately you'll never get governments to sign off on protecting this data, as they too are heavily addicted to collecting it.
Hey, it's not a feature, it's a threat.
(And it's not just Bluetooth, it's BLE - Bluetooth Low Energy. It has a range of several hundred meters instead of the 10 m of BT devices. It's a real danger for our personal security and privacy.)
BLE doesn't have more range than normal Bluetooth, they both use the same RF spectrum. An OEM can choose whatever broadcasting power it wants for the radio. The only limiting factor is FCC/CE regulation
BLE devices are still 10m but can act as beacon while using fraction of battery. You can create beacon each 5 minutes which will now be read by default by other devices ... which will send without consent information about peripheral and then calculations may then take place on server ... That's the issue.
salsamancer hes talking about the mesh network. not just A Device. they chain together. hence why airtags can be detected the world over. and also pinpointed with in 6 feet.
@@1ricov817calculation doesn't happen on the server though. Basically the location is encrypted and sent to the server. If you now make a request to the server it looks up the public key and gives you the encrypted location. You then decrypt the location on your own device.
Of course it's possible to backdoor this.
I’d love a crowd-sourced database of “seen” MAC addresses. Sure, it could be abused, but maybe then I could someday recover the New Nintendo 3DS that was stolen from my luggage in Thailand back in 2017. Yeah, I’m still angry about that one.
How would something like that work? Would anybody want to host a huge DB like that?
MAC addresses are not guaranteed to be unique, so could go looking for your Nintendo DS but turns out it's some dudes smart bidet or whatever.
Also, how many people do you think are gonna know and remember their device Mac addresses?
@@salsamancer You don’t think the Google Maps cars aren’t saving the MAC addresses of every router they see?
@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX You’d typically reg them ahead of time. Sometimes they are printed on the packaging too. Also, you might have a record from your router or MAC filtering list.
@@emmettturner9452 On Android Mac addresses are randomized when connecting to a network
proprietary shit on top of open standards is the same thing that caused TETRA radio to be unsecure for literally its entire life up until a few years ago.
P25 Phase II, even trunked and encrypted continues to be insecure. Your tax dollars at work.
@@qlippoth13 "we have an open standard"
is it secure? "yes" So why don't you release the crypto algo? "we don't know"
need i remind you, the people that discovered tetraburst were ACTIVELY pushed away by the TETRA people until they were completely fucked over.
These were people who proved it could be done on a laptop from the 90s in about 12 hours, and using a base station from a similar time period.
@@qlippoth13 nothing like sending GPS data in the clear
**laughs in rooted devices**
@@VallisMansonOfficial laughs in hardware/software that respects the user.
This shit bugs me deeply for some reason.
hehe. bug.
You need to update your voice AI, 70% of the time your statements end on an upswing intonation or a slowed downswing with evenly spaced staccato on the syllables.
It goes without saying that the lack of entropy allows anyone to fingerprint you and deterministically calculate the dimensions of your trachea thus allowing an attacker to compute the length of your balls.
Real. I just decoded his entire biophysical signature from this security leak and I can certify his dick is huge and his balls heavy. They are also of a very nicely graspable shape and size
Hasn't "find my phone" always worked on Android? I recall being able to Google "where's my phone" and get its location, trigger an alarm, lock it, and even wipe it.
that's what i was thinking, but turns out that's a different service
That requires the phone to report itself and have internet. This will work on dumber devices.
it requires gps enabled
I'm starting to feel like a damn shadowrunner with my pinephone.
Don't worry the cell towers still triangulate your position
@@nakedsquirtle and NSA listens to you phone calls
Don't worry. Your Pine Phone also has Bluetooth and WiFi. That's enough to get your exact location even when you disable GPS
they are in your walls
Best to go with smoke signals.
Any form of "find my" is your personal snitch.
this wont be used to track you whatsoever
Yeah they're just creating it out of the kindness of their heart 😂
u fear google for what? if its the government they already have celltowers your phone pings they dont really even need google along with the whole GPS network this is overall a useful feature not much privacy is lost that u havent already lost
My Apples are in the refrigerator.
-walled- -garden- chilled box
You don't even need the feds to attach a tracking device to your coat anymore, you will do it yourself and happily
8:11 That we won't have other vendors than Google. Google restricts these things to be closed source to prevent competition.
😂 you ever seen Apple? Google at least HAS open source projects. Name 1 let alone 458+ that apple has open sourced
@@iuse9646Swift, WebKit, foundationsDB, researchDV, ResearchKit, Carekit, Password manager resources, service talk, core ML tools, SwiftNIO.
Their contributions involve:
- Kubernetes
-Apache Cassandra
- LLVM/Clang
- Apache Spark
- Netty
- Apache Traffic server
- Universal Scene Description
- containerd
@@iuse9646Swift, WebKit, foundationsDB, researchDV, ResearchKit, Carekit, Password manager resources, service talk, core ML tools, SwiftNIO.
Their contributions involve:
- Kubernetes
-Apache Cassandra
- LLVM/Clang
- Apache Spark
- Netty
- Apache Traffic server
- Universal Scene Description
- containerd
@@iuse9646 Apple has FOSS projects too. Both use FOSS when it suits them.
@@iuse9646Darwin(macos kernel/core)(opensource due to stolen freebsd code that has a license that won't let them closesource it)(Under aosp license, basically barely opensourcr, many restrictions)
Back in the day when my parents took my phone I would just use my Gmail to ping the phone and turn on the alarm so I can find it.
It seems like privacy is still possible but it is just extremely inconvenient to maintain
I would absolutely hate to hear the tragic news that Google's CEO was involved in a horrific acid attack
He accidentally fell out of a skydiving mission with blood in the airplane into a volcano 3 days ago. Haven't you got the news?
they will just hire another puppet. the people of true power don't show us their faces
Faraday bags are a must if you're truly concerned with your cellular emissions. It's the only way one can control exactly when and where they want to transmit. Also - there are ways to use the Apple Find My network without having ever purchased an Apple product. Thank you Tim Apple!
Mr. CIA is on the case
They just won't leave us be and stop inventing ways to track us which are often obligated to agree with in order to use the device .
It works while the battery is DEAD. . . " _So you are saying the battery isn't actually dead. You just report it dead so the user can charge it, BUT you also can retrieve location data and run a service if needed_ "
Google has probably had this for a long time but just releasing it to the public.
Again, you have proven the key point again. I continue on with this point by minimizing my reliance on non-FOSS software and always prioritizing the FOSS standard if there is one available. This is another reason why I feel forced to switch to the PinePhone (an enthusiast Linux phone) as an already (semil not yet total) Linux enthusiast myself.
How is the PinePhone?
@@Atomhaz The device is an enthusiast-grade phone that specifically operates only with Linux.
Personally I'm hoping that they implement their trackers in a very similar way to air tags. It's very easy to create a home baked air tags with just an Arduino with Bluetooth. The only hard part is fetching the location data without having an apple device on 24/7. It's possible to do it without an apple device, but it's difficult.
If it were to be easy to create an android tracker and fetch location data, it'll be a big win in my opinion. Maybe one could even create firmware for a dev board that broadcasts signals for both find my networks too.
And with air tags their tracking rate limit is easily bypassed if you're already set up with a home baked airtag. You can simply have it rotate between presenting as different air tags every minute or so.
they've already been able to track phones that were powered off and not connected
Can you explain?
i like that transparent red mark in thumbnail
Google & Samsung has always had this
"Yes, trust us bro, its e2e encrypted" ~ The proprietary software
Always loved
The Feds call this technology "find my perp"
Hey Buddy.. Could You Make a Video of the Pro's & Con's of Both IOS & Android Phones
Because its A Topic that Comes up in work SO Often, And I *Love* How You Break things down & Always Put Privacy at the Forefront
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I have been occasionally using googles ‘find my device’ for years now. I didn’t realize it was newish.
Apple uses UWB as well for their tracking especially with air rage and 2nd gen air pod pro
Doja cat was right when she said "moo im a cow". Evil corpos treat humans like cattle.
Embrace, extend, line goes up
This is a real double edged sword for anyone who's knows what losing a phone is like.
Treat every phone like a burner
@@qlippoth13 Have fun being stuck in a 2FA dystopia.
anyone can hold power and volume minus on any android phone and wipe it clean in 20 seconds. if you dont know how to block the imei, which only limits calls, you're screwed either way. people make a fortune here in brazil reselling phones because of that
@@StarmenRock You're right, but that is under the assumption that the society is corrupt enough that lose phone = lose forever
On some places, this might not holds true..
@@ramadhanafif gonna be real honest with you, android is absolutely dominant in countries where violence is rampant. They need to let you CHOOSE instead of being forced to have no options. Especially if you're from Brazil, Mexico and India
Dudes little dance @ 2:01 😂💀
Yeah that's the important takeaway
@@MudHut67 🤡
@@MudHut67 🤡
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Thank god they can track us more!
This video felt like it had alot of bright white in the graphics. Dark mode ❤
Yes tracking device, but still hid an AirTag on my bike tho, and god damn... it was nice being able to steal it back from the bike thieves!
I have never in my life had my phone damaged by exposure to water, but I am persistently limited by being unable to swap out the battery and now need to buy and maintain multiple more expensive headphones and dongles to make up for the absent headphone jack and have to suffer through regular connectivity/pairing issues with BT.
I have never in my life lost my phone, but I do need to deal with the invasion of my privacy persistently.
Smartphones stopped improving a decade ago.
A thought just occurred to me: Google and Microsoft have the biggest botnets in history
wrong, Apple does.
Android alone runs on 3 billion devices, all apple devices count up to 2 billion, but apple is still bigger than Windows, which reportedly has about 1.6 billion which kinda surprised me, but now that i think about it, it really doesn't
@@sokiuwu you forgot that for every device that apple sells they get 2 bots, the hardware and the "user" Aka the appletards 🤣
@@LucasCunhaRocha not that many people can afford apple.
ive used googles find my device for yearrrrs. mainly when i want it to play a ring tone as a cant find it indoors but it has a map too
You can use a esp32 for an airtag by reverse engineering an airtag and people have already done this. Esp32 cost $5 at the most. I am thinking of what use cases I can use this for
Glowies totally won't have a backdoor to track you
synthesis of trinitrotoluene
Terry A Davis coined a phrase about your commentary
Opensource is infinately more scary than corporate greed
Can we talk about the Vultr TOS betrayal and who will replace them?
tell me more. what?
It seems like this is something Google made in collaboration with Apple.
Comment on GrapheneOS on Pixel8 and the part you said about not wanting it on your device?
So the phone isn't really off when the battery is dead... totally normal.
Of course we can opt out of it right? Not that i remember opting in in the first place but oh well i guess
At home detection doesn't seem to work at least for Google smart home shit. I saw a video of someone showing it fail to register with him clearly right next to the home. So location services is fundamentally an oopsie maybe
I think that's it. I'm carrying a dumb phone now unless there's something that can keep this level.
Pine phone was it?
am I missing something with the icloud web based find my apple that works from any browser including from an android phone?
Samsung has something like that called offline finding, is not enabled by default tho
The last part is exactly why GPL3 should be mandatory.
Use open source, give back to open source.
Tbh why is this a news?
Google always have had the "Find my Device" service. It didn't even need an App, you just login into a Account thats also on your Phone and if you allowed it you can track it or delete all data from it.
they already had that think they just rebranded
4:18 or if its on silent depending on your settings
It's on when you turn on location and tracking on Google maps and runs a constant history that you can look up (and anyone else with a court order (and some without) accessed through your registered gmail. Oh what fun for divorce court.....
Yeah no thanks gargle. One thing I found from switching to linux is that once you remove the tracking and spyware, you don't need much power or bandwidth. Personally all I need is navigation and occasionally a browser and a phone connection. All of this is easily achieved with open source software and plug and play raspberry pi modules. My next phone I will literally make myself and have maybe a backup in a Faraday case.
i kind of don't mind it being closed source to make vulnerabilities more difficult to discover if it is as they say and completely anonymous/encrypted, though the always active thing isn't cool. should be opt-in and toggleable. also if they license it out reasonably. it can be closed but widely usable/adoptable.
Brother, you WANT vulnerabilities to be discovered so they can be patched.
If software has unknown vulnerabilities then it just means they have a bunch of zero days.
Plus, closed source means guaranteed NSA backdoor 😂
@@XxZeldaxXXxLinkxX yeah but being locked will let google handle them before they become an actual issue (theoretically)
encrypted... uses bluetooth lmao
See this is the conversation whether the phone pings not the SIM card.
If your phone can ping without a SIM card then the phone company knows where you’re at at all times.
I can still make purchases without my sim in my phone that still charges my sim therefore proving it pings 24/7 which means no privacy.
This may be a topic about user end but it’s simply showing that the companies don’t want you to have that function.
*GOVT ENTERS THE CHAT*👀
Traceable clothing coming
Looks like the death of the smartphone is coming at an exponentially faster rate
I'm hoping that they actually go through with putting together an airtag-esque product of their own, because if I have a laptop bag with other pricey things in it, I'd like to be able to track it in case I forget it somewhere or someone tries to steal it.
Back when I had an iPhone, I had an Airtag and it worked fine, but now that I switched back to Android, I can't use it. It just keeps ringing like it's wanting to pair with a phone whenever I move the bag around. You can pick up on airtags and even make them ring when one's nearby on an Android device (because they use Bluetooth and then pick up on other device's Bluetooth connections to ping it's location), but you can't actually use it, so I feel like the "needing 20 different trackers" thing is a bit inaccurate.
It's sad that this stuff is even viewed as a necessity here in the states, because as per the anarcho-tyranny in the United States (or rather the fall of american civilization), people will steal your stuff and sell it for drug money if they could get away with it. Compare that to somewhere else like Japan, where you can leave your bag or laptop somewhere unattended for a bit and not have someone steal it. The powered off phone tracking thing is a bit creepy though, even if it's already been a thing for years according to Edward Snowden.
Everything would be nice if it was not mandatory.
You just have one small problem... either google or apple's solution requires their servers, I don't think there's a way to get those thingies without a server behind.
Perhaps if the tags had some server address (so that you could use your own server for your tag), but that could open the "botnet" to attacks
7:37 that's literary how free market works
Ofc i get a google fiber ad on my phone trying to watch this lmao.
>year 2024 of our Lord Jesus Christ
>Still allowing CZcams to show you ads
what was wrong with the old one
Now google can track us, even though the phone is powered off 🤡
The fact that you can't protect android phones from being factory wiped at anytime by anyone in less than a minute is still disgusing, can't believe google or even samsung still let this happen
You can wtf. Uneducated ass. Go to "device admin apps" and uncheck the "find my device" app. Problem solved, try googling it next time jackass
But you can, with custom recovery and custom ROM
@@justsomenamelesssoul8097 bruh are you serious? Do you think the regular user is gonna do that? They should give us at least the choice of locking the phone forever. Even apple's ahead of them with this
@@StarmenRock am serious, i think regular users need tobunderstand the world around them better, and pay someone to do it, if they cant on their owni
@@justsomenamelesssoul8097 then you're just as bad as those companies. instead of serving them better you create a necessity and sell the solution
4:13 or if you've had your phone on do not disturb for years, like me
Put your phone in a Faraday cage.
Google always had a find my device feature tho
Is it gimped if you install GrapheneOS or does it still run with some low level firmware code?
How does this impact trackability of pixels using grapheneOS in the future?
I was hoping they were going to make an open source lost device system. Anyone can use it if a database has the right one-way "key" to match our own one-way "key." A sentinnel device notices a tracking device (tag) signal, it takes a semi-private key from the tag and with it encrypts the GPS location, and publishes on a public record (kinda like a blockchain) under some semi-public id (it could be a rolling id somehow too) generates by the tag. Now the device's location is encrypted on a public record. Now let that public record be accessible to the tag's owner. He takes his private key (or another associated private key) for that specific tag, and generates a known public id for his tag (or some rolling public id). He looks up the encrypted data in the table via that public id (or the rolling public id) and uses his private key to decrypt the tag's gps details. Since the encryption key is one-way, it cannot be used to decrypt it by the same tag. Bam, very high trust open source tag tracking.
There are many concerns, one is to avoid bad actors from publishing any device's private-key (when the cross paths with a tag). So instead this private-key is randomly generated from another high-secret private key certificate by the tag. This should avoid strangers from decrypting series of location histories. This can also be fixed with one-way keys (asymmetric keys). Another issue is the public id, but if the location history is encrypted it shouldn't be a big deal. Nonetheless, the public ids may be able to be generated with a rolling code by the high-secret keys.
Assuming the key has a high number of bits, we may be able to achieve low collision rates, so we can simply overwrite old entries if need be, or we can just append to the table. A server timestamp could be associated to delete/prune old entries.
Agree with all you said, but expect to see more illegal tracking and malicious uses for this technology due to androids open environment
The Samsung one has been flawless for me 😂
Hooray! New corporate spyware!!!
why is this a surprise? google was one of the first to use browsers and apps by clicking the X or OFF button, really doesn't shut it off
we really need a fully permissive licence open hardware full phone. we have to remember that phones even when they say they are free the hardware is actually thousands of dollars, it's like if facebook said free laptop, we would all go that's not really free, and look for how they are making way more.
Great, now we can't even turn off device... Creepy.
e2e in Google and Meta is like the AI in LG vacuum cleaner.
I got my stolen bike back because of an AirTag.
Apple’s precision finding is incredibly useful and supposed to get a huge range increase with the U2 chips.
I’m usually a privacy nut but AirTags are useful. It would be great if Apple and Google were forced by government to collaborate.
No, it wouldn't.
And they already do, on your government's behalf.
You're kinda late... But your content is still excellent!
There needs to be a law to allow all devices to be COMPLETELY shut off. They can still lock the feature behind a pass code so thieves can't quickly disable them.