It only takes ONCE. ABS & Traction Control Demonstrated and Simplified
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It only takes once for abs and/or traction control to be worth it. Please don't get bullied into the mindset that these aids with millions in R&D behind them somehow make you a bad rider or something to be ashamed of using or actively looking for. They are worth it.
ABS Studies on Safety
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You've just become one of my favorite motorcycle channels, sensible and responsible riding without any obnoxious para social pitch 👍
Second that
For me as well!
Well, kudos on demonstrating TC and ABS in the wild. I would never do this on video, because the demons of fate would come and punt me into the ditch for sure.
Hold on to the tank & get on it
As an older rider myself, seeing social media littered with dangerous riders is very upsetting. Stumbling across this channel has put a massive smile on my face. The time and effort you put into these excellent videos is nothing short of brilliant. Very good explanations and easy to follow instructions for new, returning riders, and even experienced riders to learn from, because we all fall into those little habits. Absolutely brilliant channel, smashed that sub immediately. Keep up the fantastic work, and as always, ride safe people!
i know what you mean, as a one time bike racer (cycling) and now motorcyclist i know the pain when coming off, and get a horrible feeling in my stomach when i just see crashes in the TdF for example or any motorbike race, and many times have to stop watching YT vids, especially when i see fools with no protective gear. i'm a pretty resiliant guy with a strong stomach but I'll never understand why some ghoulish people love watching that kind of stuff. GL
I like to see lots of observation, which is also lacking on this channel too. No shoulder checking here, poor riding, too much preoccupation with nonsense instead.
Everyone should test the limit of their brakes in a safe way after they get comfortable as a rider and comfortable on their bike. You need to know what your bike is capable of and you should practice braking in emergency scenarios because you don't have time to think when it happens. Especially braking while cornering. Even with ABS you need to practice. Rider aids are not solution for rider ability.
I do brake tests all the time. Both on 2 wheels & 4!
I'm inexperienced and I'm afraid I'll turn the bike upside down if I use too much front break. I've seen videos of that.
@@DF-ss5ep don't just slam on it. Do parking lot acceleration and stop test. Slowly increase the amount of brake pressure you apply each time as you get more comfortable. If you're a new rider get comfortable in your bike and learning to ride first. You should be practicing progressive braking anyway. You want it to be reflex. Rather than just death gripping your brakes in an emergency. But once you're comfortable you should progressively and safely learn the limits of your bike and how certain situations like losing traction feel. When emergencies happen you don't have time to think or freak out. Also keep up on maintenance. A lot of crashes are due to poorly maintained equipment, tires suspension, alignments etc.
@@jvillain9946 Your tips have been heard. I guess I can try it with slow speeds first to see how the bike reacts. Will try that tomorrow.
@@DF-ss5ep Without knowing your situation, If you feel intimidated by riding at all, make sure your comfortable and learn all your basics first. Don't try to jump ahead just bc random guys comment said to. Saying that as the random guy. But yeah these are things that should be practiced, just like everything. You're always practicing and always learning.
wow, damn convinced to get a bike that is safer now, thank you brother! THIS CHANNEL NEEDS TO BE BIGGER TO SPREAD THE GOOD INFO
I’m about to get my first bike tomorrow which will be a ninja 300, and I’ve been watching your videos for a few weeks now and can’t wait to practice what I’ve been watching! Keep up the great videos
I started on a Ninja 300 and I've had a wonderful time learning. Have fun!!
Great purchase and super fun bike to get you into the groove enjoy have fun ride safe
Can never go wrong with a ninja, congrats man ride safe and practice at your own pace!
I loved my 300 when I had it, they are still fast as heck.
Something like %44 of fatalities or accidents are from new riders in their first 3 months. Then goes down but still very high for the next 3 years... crazy stuff looking at the numbers but makes sense... my closest call was at my 5 month mark going way to fast into an unlabled turn and was riding the white line in the opposite lane... learned my lesson, never left my lane since.
My bike is not fast enough to need TC, but ABS on the street is essential to have. If you are riding through a busy street and a car on the left is doing some sketchy move and takes your attention, but out of nowhere a little girl runs onto the road from the right. You want to have that extra bit of security to prevent dangerous situations.
ABS is a very nice feature to have, but I wouldn't call it essential. Yes, it does increase safety, but many things can increase safety (never speeding, not riding in rain/dark, wearing the best gear, etc). Just riding motorcycles is very risky by itself, if you want to ride an older motorcycle without any ABS, it's a calulcated risk by the rider, in my opinion.
One of the first things I do once I'm on a new bike/tyre is to see if the front tyre is sticky enough to lift the back end. As long as it can do that, you can be confident to grab a handful of front brake and just modulate it to keep the back wheel hovering just over the ground.
I have experience with bikes without any electronic assistance as well as bikes with ABS and/or traction control. My riding path over the last 7 years has been CBR300, RC390, 05 ZX6R to my current bike a 2020 Suzuki Katana.
Thankfully on 1/3 setting on my Katana I have never set off the traction control, but unfortunately it is not lean angle sensitive. On other bikes I have had the ABS engage on road hazards like sand. Most of my ABS experience is on the RC390. In the performance braking part of Total Control classes I learned even though the bike was equipped with ABS it did not prevent the rear wheel from coming up during efficient, threshold braking. My theory on this is as long as the braking force is great enough to raise the rear wheel without locking the front ABS will not kick in. So not only will ABS save you from road hazards and panic braking but if you are really that good you can still pull off extreme maneuvers. The only reason I could ever see for turning off ABS is because you will be intentionally locking your rear wheel. I am just not at that level of skill yet and if people are honest with themselves very few are.
The other half of this is related to traction control. I wish my current bike had a lean angle sensitive system, but my heart does what it wants. However, trust me, you do not want to highside, even in a controlled environment. On a cold day in December 2020 while riding my 05 ZX6R (which was equipped with neither system) I overestimated the heat of my tires, was overcome by a desire to catch up to my friends who were let out 30 seconds ahead of me on the track and didnt use good technique in reducing lean angle while adding throttle (which was a habit uncovered ruthlessly by the conditions). What this resulted in was a highside at an estimated speed of about 80mph. Thankfully I had bought a new helmet literally the week before because after flipping over the front of the bike I hit the back of my head on the track hard enough to rip the venting on the helmet. From there I proceeded to tumble, thinking to myself "when will this end?" and that it is probably good to be wondering that. When I finally came to a stop in the middle of the longest straight I got up and tried to walk off the track but realized I could not actually support my weight so I crawled. I noticed that my visor was still left in the middle of the tarmac the buttons on either side having been ground off my helmet. Thankfully nobody hit it.
I had the good fortune not to suffer a concussion or break my spine but it was not good to be me during a 4 day hospital stay. After being wheeled through the double doors while strapped to a gourney straight to a room with intensely bright overhead lights and several doctors examining me I can understand why people might think they've been abducted by aliens if they've suffered a head injury. I severely broke my right hand and have titanium in that now. I also have spiderweb fractures in my cuboid/navicular which are blocky bones in the ankle/heel region. Ended up taking a 3 year break from riding but I am glad to be back. For anybody that made it to the end of this comment please trust what skyoom is saying here. You do not want what I described for yourself. Be humble and enjoy riding but dont push your luck.
That is really great story and really great advice I'm a new rider had my bike about one year now and i had similar situation when i tried to catch up with my frends at night they were riding for 3 years so they had a lot more experience and when i finally was catching up i saw ones of my friends brake light turn on and i was cuming into them fast that was the moment when i panicked braked and i slid out but fortunately i walked away just with a few bruises but for my bike not so good it took a lot of work to get it back on the streets and right now I'm just riding safe and not trying to push my luck or to prove sumthing to others
@@paulius8745 Glad that you are doing alright and that you learned from that experience. Have fun!
1976 BMW 75/6 here. I have a neutral indicator and an adjustable steering dampner...I love the luxuries on this bike !
At least your bike comes with a front disc brake! My cable actuated drum brake on my Honda xl250r was kind of nice though it was so weak it was almost impossible to lock up so in a way it was anti-lock brake! Lol
Good advice. I bought an older bike after not riding for 10 years and not being aware of the electronics. A week later I bought a 2024 bike with all the electronic safety features (and an airbag with compatible jacket). You are so right, it only needs to work once. I high sided my Street Triple R due to a poor input on a bad surface (fortunately at low speed), the new bike would have stopped it from happening. The new stuff is worth it! A pro rider in controlled environments could probably handle these machines but mere mortals like myself can use all the help we can get! I am going to practice heavy straight line breaking like I used to do on my old 250, which had no ABS.
I ride a 790 duke and im thankful for all the user aids. I’ve accidentally used them all. It only takes once.
you are just pumping out those great videos with great tips and info. keep them coming, your videos are fun and interesting to watch
for me, ABS and traction control/anti wheelie is a must, and i have it on my new bike thank goodness. I don't like the feeling of not being in control and neither do i want to pull a wheelie, especially since i accidentally did one and came off my 125 backwards when i had to change down into 1st up a long 1:3 hill to stop stalling and it spat me off. IMHO you can have plenty of fun on a bike without inviting unwanted danger in. i appreciate the content and comments, thanks & stay safe. GL
Very informative. I've always been curious about the traction control. I was going to get a Ninja without ABS to save money but ended up saving even more money by getting a used bike with ABS instead.
I don't even ride a bike and I enjoy watching your videos. If I ever decide to start riding, the knowledge you share will definitely help 👍
One thing to consider, re: track riding, as well: MotoGP and many Superbike series use traction control, and those are the best riders in the world.
These guys are pushing the bikes to the limit. The average street rider doesn't need rider aids.
Some of the Europeans race big biked without any aids.
@@slimfit767 However, those riders are riding in a controlled environment, with racing tires where the limits are a *lot* higher.
The average street rider is riding in an uncontrolled environment (much more opportunity to be surprised by something), on lower quality surfaces (less grip, more of a chance for an upset), with street tires (less grip), and if they're riding a liter bike, not that much less power than a superbike, and has less skill to avoid exceeding the limits, or failing that, recover.
The whole point of this video is that the rider aids are there to save your ass if you don't do things perfectly.
@@bhtooefr A total of 6,084 motorcyclists died in crashes in 2021. That is the highest number recorded and a 21% increase since 2019....if rider aids make bikes so much safer,why has the fatalities gone up?
@@slimfit767 The problem is cars. (Apparently, per czcams.com/video/yfGWj-bH_MU/video.html, the rider aids are actually helping liter bikes, but car drivers have more distractions, and that's increasing fatalities.)
As someone just getting into motorcycling I wanted to say your videos are really helpful. Just helpful information told in a grounded, easy to understand way.
I am glad you have no injuries, respect bro!
thanks for the videos man
I got the ABS Ninja 500 recently. Its my first bike. I figure it can only help the bike be more forgiving for inexperience. Its certainly no replacement for sensible riding and committing to safety, but it helps supplement that mindset. Still, anything could happen. Ride safe everyone.
Fantastic content!
Thank you Señor Skyoom
Man i really love all this and i`m glad i got my new bike, again, with ABS and TC.
Smart man and looking solid in that avi sir 💪
This was a really good demonstration on how these systems work.
Luckily the "you suck" argument doesn't work on me since i'm shopping for my first bike so i have zero riding experience and i know i suck 😂 having had these two systems in my car for years, I know their usefulness and they're certainly high on my priority list.
This dude just keeps putting out good videos
(Cue Ryan F9 mode. "You're wrong about ABS!") Regardless, ABS is a good thing in my opinion, and was surprised when it kicked in. I have a 22 GSXS1000GT+, it may be a bit less aggressive then on the GSXR. However, the GT does NOT have the multiaxis IMU, so TC is bog standard without TC leaning over, but the new GX does. Go figure, wish it was able to be installed on my GT. The GSXS also only has 5 settings for TC, so it's less granular, and I really could have used it hitting a patch of gravel making a right turn, but ended up in dirt bike mode and stomping out of the slide.
I've long maintained that for your average rider, if you see that traction control light on when you're riding, it's probably paid for itself.
Particularly on a high powered bike, it's easy to make a mistake. Even if you're not doing anything silly, an unnoticed patch of gravel and having it has saved a crash at speed. That's worth it.
Same with ABS. Sure, you can practice all you want, get your braking down to perfection *in a closed course setting*. Because it's constant. There are no (well very few) surprises on the track. You've practiced your threshold braking on smooth pavement with hot tires on clean roads. What happens on the street? You need to emergency brake suddenly, but your tires aren't hot. The road is cold. There's oil or gravel or leaves. You can't predict the situation. And ABS will save your ass if *while you are in an unknown, unpredictable, panicked situation* you do not perform perfectly.
Very well said, people overestimate their ability to react to emergency situations or to make quick corrections to inputs. Having a safety net makes riding more enjoyable too.
If u know how to ride,u don't need rider aids.
@@slimfit767 Low IQ take
@@OriginalUsername9000 exactly. To many street rossi wannabes to cool for tech out here.
@@slimfit767 That, sir, is just stupid, it's thinking that will get you smashed into a car or yeeted off a road sooner or later.
You can be a very talented rider, but it's impossible to perfectly manage unknown emergency situations at 100% effectiveness.
For instance, if you have an ABS bike and have never triggered ABS, you have never practiced emergency braking and don't know how hard you can brake. But even if you have? You've mastered threshold braking on a warm sunny day on good pavement? Wil you do it perfectly when Karen left turns her minivan in front of you? Will you be able to swerve *while* you're braking hard? And do it at the threshold the whole time?
People like to say that they can, but in 30 years riding with LOTS of different people, including racers, professional riding trainers, a d such...
I have never met one who "doesn't need rider aids".
Nobody is perfect *all the time*. Maybe you don't notice the gravel. Maybe you're just not on your game today. Tired after a long ride. Lots of bugs on your visor. Tires are more worn than usual. The list is endless.
I started riding during the era when rider aids were getting introduced across the industry. The early components were questionable due to how intrusive and or janky they were. My 13' CBR1000RR I bought new at the time had a faulty abs system and it was an issue that many other CBR's had. Also for track riding, when braking, it is an issue for a lot of people that the abs was not good for late braking/trail braking due to the nature of the operation that hinders braking performance in these situations. On the road it's not really a big deal so most people that don't do trackdays will be fine. And I've heard riders aids have been improved over the years...
My advice for anyone looking at getting a bike with rider aids is to research if the bike you are interested in has had issues regarding the rider aids. Type in "R1 ABS issues" or "CBR ABS issues" or "zx10r TC issues" Last thing you want is a bike that has shit that may get you in more trouble than the same model without the aids that doesn't have those issues. Rider aids can be beneficial, but unfortunately there's some janky systems so do your research.
Subscribed, my kind of bike channel, great video 👍🙏 Nice to see a decent rider!!
Keep it up. I don’t even ride anymore, still Subbed. I enjoy all your vids.
Thanks for being a great instructor, I surely appreciate your style of teaching 👍!! Thank you and stay safe.
These are golden, i dont own a bike but in future ill do, and the stuff you talk about interests me so this aknowledge will come in handy forsure. Thanks for making these videos brother💪
By far the best bike channel I’ve come across to date. Realistic, not romanticized and good tips. Good breath of fresh air to see some more “grounded” content
Awesome content ^^
Great video as always. I'm enjoying everything you put out since its a lot of topics that most other motorcycle youtubers don't talk about. Side note: Insta360 needs to take this opportunity to sponsor you lmao
Sorry, this is something I feel strongly about, so I get commenty :)
A big thing you missed. Let's say you're a responsible rider who wants to practice his threshold braking and manual traction control.
Braking: with ABS, you can practice with safety. Go too hard? Grab the front too quick? ABS saves your ass. You feel abs kick in and you know the limit. Without ABS, you're always afraid that you'll lock the front, not react quick enough and lowside, and that prevents your ability to practice effectively.
Traction control: again, you can push the bike till you see the TCS light get mad. Now you know where the limits of traction are for your current circumstances, and you're still on two wheels. How comfortable are you doing that without TCS, are you actually going to get right to the edge of traction? How will you even know where the edge is until you go too far and lose traction, and if so, do you go down in the process?
These aids allow you to practice the rider skills you need so much more effectively and safely.
Very very good points I should've thought to mention, thank you 🙂
Hey I'm new to your channel and riding, just picked up a bike last weekend and your videos and the way you explain things make a lot of sense and are really helpful, thank you for your insight
Congrats man what bike did you get?
I find it amusing manufacturers make motorcycles that so far exceed the majority of riders abilities and put systems on them to compensate so they don’t kill their customers. Rider aids can contribute to lazy unskilled riders that I believe are more dangerous, as they think these systems will save them. That said, ABS and TC can be a useful tool to develop skill-others have noted purposeful practice to find the limits. For a skilled responsible rider, it adds a margin of safety when the unexpected event that exceeds their abilities, inattentive drivers, road hazards etc. K1200GT has ABS but no TC. I take some pride in that the ABS has never activated during the course of my travels. My road strategies, bike/tire maintenance, riding within my abilities, and riding for conditions-year round rider in Colorado-are effective. Granted by the grace of God I have not been up against emergency situations that exceeded my abilities, a few that were close, but didn’t exceed. I am glad that I have ABS in reserve when that moment eventually comes. Knowing I don’t have TC I exercise caution when road conditions deteriorate, having TC in reserve would add peace of mind. Moto Guzzi has ABS and TC. Love the bike, but even in reduced traction conditions I would have to be completely zoned out or even work at it to break traction with it. I am amused that that little bit of torque and horsepower still has the buffer of TC. ABS in reserve is nice.
Fully agree having the systems is prudent. Use them as tools to push skill development when it is safe to do so, on public roads ride like you don’t have them and count your blessings when they save you from someone else’s stupidity.
Definitely will be looking for an abs/traction control zx4rr. Thank You sir for your GREAT videos!!! Subbed.
Non ti serve un controllo di trazione su una ninja 400
Wouldn't buy a Motorcycle without ABS/TC, It's now Mandatory here in Euro Land on new Machines has been for some time.
i think it's mandatory since 2015. But i'm amazed you have to pay extra for it in the Freedom Country.
It only takes once! Exactly. Im a pretty new rider, I ride pretty well, very safe, follow the laws, ride a huge vstrom 800 de, decided to try and blast around traffic ONCE, and of course a douche dodge challenger decided to make a last 2nd turn into a parking lot, cut me off nasty at near full throttle, and my abs definitely helped me stay on 2 wheels after I grabbed a fist full of brakes, I came probably about an inch from touching his bumper.
Osmo Action 4. Since dumping GoPro and switching, zero camera issues. ETA - forgot to mention, excellent vid and explanations! Thanks for this.
Dji seems to be the winner ✍️
I could have saved a lot of money by getting a non abs bike, but I don't regret it.
the Mt 07 have brutal abs on back brake, and duke 790 have brutal front abs. and i would never buy a MC without Abs and TC, if you just drive on a little patch of grass you can fell the TC, kicking in really easy,
@13:21 preach brother preach
Hi there thank you for your teaching!
Can you make a video on leaning angle .. how to tell we’re is the limit .. what to pay attention when leaning in relation to front brake, throttle and suspension thank you.. good stuff
You do not need to know where the limit is for leaning on the road. Just chill out. Years of practice will get you what you need.
I don't feel confident enough in my ability to articulate the feelings of a squirrely front or rear really running it and with my stuff leaning more towards the newer rider demographic I wouldn't feel comfortable promoting trying to find those points of "squirrelyness" either. Like my hard acceleration vid its not going to win you a roll race but it'll set you up to run safely and better set you up for when you do start pushing your bikes limits 🙂
hell yeah🤘
would love to see some aerial footage of this ride. its super funny to think about what people watching from the outside would think haha
My V strom has kept me from dropping it at least ten times set to one on traction control !
For me, abs and TCS are a hard must have, and the better the system works, the better. I've got riding buddies who mock me about that.
But those same buddies put their bikes away when it rains. When it's cold. I'll ride, in Canada, year round, down to -25C. I'll ride when there's sand and gravel and ice on the road.
And a big part of that is I don't have to do it 100% on the back of my own skill. I used to have to, before these systems where widely available and as good as they are now, but it's SO MUCH BETTER now they're much more reliable.
They don't remove caution and skill - you're always better off not needing them! But if you do need them? As you said, it only takes once.
I just find it amusing when people will mock you for buying a bike with TCS and abs (though these days it's not even an option most of the time) but then say they won't ride in reduced traction conditions.
I mean. Really. That's the whole point. Even in a sunny day in summer, there could be gravel on the road. An oily patch. Something spilt or leaked from a truck.
On the street, you never know. These systems don't replace rider skill, but they cover you for times you may not be perfect, or cannot properly predict the exact conditions from one millisecond to the next.
Traction control absolutely always get it, ABS has almost killed me several times ( it turned on early in corners or it made me blow brake markers). For street abs is ok, faster pace/track abs is absolutely not the move imho
What bike? Abs is very different from abs. Ktm abs lets you brake on front wheel doing a stoppie. Tried multiple times, one on a little sand, that is when it felt it kicked in
@@TheProperMinter Gen4 Zx10r. I ended up selling the abs bike and went non-abs
Btw it so funny how enabled tc on my 1290 sdr cuts power in 1st gear so much as if you blip the throttle it will slip rear before even going to wheelie ;) second gear no problem, goes vertical immediately even with mtc on ;) KTM and Bosch made mtc and ABS so good even on 1st gen 1290 you don’t feel it, ABS let’s me make a stoppie easily on a good pavement and warm tires, no idea why people want to disable it on track, mtc lets you power wheelie, suggesting maximum traction is used, works amazing, will keep it all on track as well
Would anyone happen to know which style of Traction Control is on the Honda Rebel CMX1100? Is it proactive or reactive? Honda calls it Torque Control in the manual and it seems to be killing power when the rear wheel is slipping for any reason, so I guess it's reactive?
could barely hear your words you were saying with those biceps talking in the intro bro. another great vid. Wish I had abs lol. I've fishtail slid within a foot of a turning car that failed to use their blinker..pulled the clutch, got caught in nomans' land and braced for impact lol
Did you stick the landing tho 😂
@@skyoom1 lmaoo fortunately I stuck the stop. The rear went fishing, but the good lord was working my front brake finger and somehow by the grace of god the front end maintained grip and absorbed mine and the bikes momentum literally a foot from their bumper😅
@@DeniedClimax bet it looked cool as shit to everyone watching that unfold 😂😂
each to their own i like raw everything
i love your videos and find your content ideas excellent. HOWEVER, i think you should definitely practice your talk/script before hand and focus more on repeating yourself less and not rambling continiously. All of your videos could be
Agreed 100%, I'm actively working on keeping a coherent train of thought and cutting down the redundancy but have a long ways to go still 😂
Hello skyoom culd you do a video about trail braking?
This is one thing I really want to do a good job getting properly on video and making tangible in a video format and I've yet to figure out how to film it without really pushing speed.
This is one of those topics where I always wondered why the videos on it seem to not do a great job demonstrating and then I went to film one myself and realized "oh, this is why" lmao
I understand that there is a lot of those things that you have figure out to show it properly but can't wait for your next video really great work ❤
i've tried a lot of systems and i dont think ducati are particularly good, aprilia is a good, BMW is very safe if a bit conservative, but the crown imo goes to the KTM, it so consistently allows miniscule slides but no more, it's extremely good at trailing the edge of maximum possible acceleration and traction, especially considering the fact it's mounted to a 140Nm V-twin...This is specifically referencing the track mode with the 9 levels of TC, the normal riding modes are basically made for idiots and the bike is uncrashable.
Re camera: Get a DJI Action 4 lol, no heat problems and better than the go pro in almost every way haha
Dji ✍️
I remember buying a new r1 in 2008, mapping it, full race exhaust, no traction control whatsoever. Still alive. We used not to be pussies back then. Thus said I am happy my sdr 1290 has tc now ;)
Yeah we used to compensate for insecurities and short dicks...
I love fish tailing my tnt135 on stoplights
can you do a video on braking while riding? like slowing down from some decent speed and stuff? i watched the video about braking to a stop but was more wondering about while at speed and using front brake .
What's the biggest issue/concern you have with your braking currently?
@@skyoom1 i don't know if i should be using front brake or rear or combo of both. i rode bikes some years ago and plan on buying one soon. i had my first dirt bike in 2nd grade and rode some street bikes in my early 20s, but that was over 10 years ago. back then i wasn't really thinking about the correct or safe way to do things. lol.
@@crime_wavcorp A very good general rule, at anything above parking lot speeds your front is your brake. Using both in tandem is ideal and for the best emergency braking you'll want to use both, but if you only used your front on the street and never touched your rear you'd be safer than 33% of riders on the road right now.
Front is your brake brake, rear is your parking lot brake speed brake haha
@@skyoom1 gothcha. keep up the good videos
and another video idea about how to avoid losing traction at the back wheel.. what’s the reasoning for it and if something can be done if it happened
I have 696 monster with no traction control and no abs and I would like to hear what is your take on it
Thanks again
You have $10 of grip. You can spend it on acceleration, or turning, or both. If you try to spend $8 of grip on acceleration while you're spending $5 of grip on turning, physics is going to call you up and say you've overdrawn your account.
Next video will actually cover this 🙂
I have a current gen Z900 and the rear brake ABS is pretty similar to yours I think, it seems way too aggressive, I can engine brake harder than I can press the rear. Haven't tested the front ABS yet but maybe I should just so I know what to expect, but I have stopped pretty quick without it kicking in so it doesn't seem to overstep its welcome. Traction control doesn't have lean angle detection, I don't believe, but it doesn't seem too intrusive, on the lowest setting it helps keep you from getting in trouble giving it throttle but doesn't feel like it's limiting me much. I do wish it had that lean angle sensor though, it's a pretty jerky throttle on this bike and some chill in the corners would be greatly appreciated..
Kawi's are damn hard to beat from an electronics standpoint imo. By far the best overall for the Japanese
@@skyoom1 good to hear, it sounds like that new MT-09 is Yamaha trying to give them a run for their money though. Too bad dealers dont let you test drive, would like to see for myself without having to buy one
@@Sean-yt1jn Yamahas got a bunch of demo days going on right now, there was one down in Atlanta yesterday actually haha
Now I'm biased but if you ask me, that z900 stomps the mt09 and its not even close
@@skyoom1 there is actually, theyre stopping by Birmingham next weekend, thats close enough I could make a trip out there, I might do it. Crazy timing on this conversation lol
Beautiful road too.
The best way is to learn on old crap bikes at a really young asge, and become a better rider. I'm still not sold on any of this technology. Will probably be useful though, no doubt.
I'm curious, how do these systems react to a rider downshifting too quickly to the point the rear locks up a bit?
I did that a few times when i first started lol
Off the top of my head I'm not aware of any bikes with TC without a slipper as well but good question hahaha
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Please talk about tires
Thats a touchy subject man 😂
I'm surprised gopro still pretty much has a monopoly. We need a contender bad.
Insta 360 for years now
@@TheProperMinter I could write an essay on why their only similarities are that they shoot audio and video. Though I am hopeful that insta360 develop something to truly compete with them in the future
@@hendrxx_insta 360 ace pro seems pretty similar
Do you recommend practicing ABS on dirt roads or only on paved roads?
When you say practice abs do you mean emergency braking or learning what abs feels like?
I have ABS and don't like it. My TC is in my forearm where it's always been but I only have maybe 70hp on the ground. If I had twice that much, yeah, I'd want some help with it.
you should try dji action 4, less problematic than gopro
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get a dji action 4, they never overheat, are better than the latest gopro hero's in specs and QoL features
Think we have a winner you're the 4th to suggest it ✍️
I only have ABS and sometimes even that is too much
Have any thoughts on S1K DTC?
Bmw's is probably the smoothest in terms of how often it will kick on and how little you'll feel it if not aware of tc systems and consciously looking for it. Its the best proactive system by far in terms of how well it hides itself and even in the lowest settings its super aggressive
When you see people describe the high end bmw's as riding themselves the tc is one of the biggest reasons why. The app will actually track how often tc and abs come on per trip and it can be hilarious how often you'll trip the tc
Its actually the only tc I agree with the anti tc guys with that it can be so effective and hide itself so well it can give people a false sense of confidence that can get them in trouble should they hop on another 1000. Which means its 10/10 for road use and safety and making the bike feel insanely safe and controllable. But it does let you get away with some bad habits
Thanks man, appreciate the feedback
My motorcycle didn't had any of those things and when i panicked braked on wet surface and tryed to turn then i slid out and had to rebuild a bike
If i would have gotten abs model everything wuld have been good
How does the abs effect wheelies does it lock out the back brake at all
Not sure what you're asking. Are you smashing the rear brake hard enough to lock the rear while doing a wheelie? You're gonna have a really bad time when that front comes slamming down.
@@jeffhiner i have no experience with abs bikes at all so this is just what iv been told but iv heard abs can lock the brake during a wheelie due to the tilt sensor
I think traction control is more likely to interfere. If your front wheel is off the ground why would you be putting extreme, wheel locking pressure on your rear brake? Traction control like described in the video will sense the rear wheel is rotating faster than the front and cut power to the rear. What ABS will interfere with is stoppies, although in my experience on an RC390 with ABS you can still do a stoppie at the end of hard, efficient braking.
ABS doesn't apply brakes, it only reduces/modulates inputs. TC can prevent wheelies, but it does so by reducing engine torque on the rear wheel via throttle/timing.
Of note, ABS can turn off completely if there's a substantial sustained difference between the front and rear wheels. If this happens you get a solid ABS light on your dash. With ABS disengaged like this it's possible to lock the wheels with brakes yourself.
Go pro 10 has failed me so much... went through 4 warranty cameras
It was 80 outside, how the hell is it overheating at 80 after legit 5min of recording prior?????
@skyoom1 my camera just wouldn't record.... at all. One of the cameras would shut down if you tapped it, some record for 0:00, and I missed out on a lot of important footage.
@@shotgun8418 got a bunch of people recommending the dji, what'd you end up switching to?
@skyoom1 got a gopro max from a friend a while ago. It's been good, but sometimes has its moments... might try something new or wait for the new 360. I don't upload anyway 🤣
Heheh my 2003 Fireblade dont have abs or traction control, but i would not go against having abs or some traction control. Well it feels exciting to drive without them also, my earlier bikes also were older so i havent driven a motorcycle with these "nanny systems" would be interesting to try. I havent had problems while driving i usually dont try anything grazy.
Would traction control also help if you go to a corner which has gravel and you would lose grip because of that?
Or would ABS help if you accidently use too much front brake while road has gravel?
I got myself a DJI. Return that shit and get something worth your money.
3x dji as the suggested ✍️
Lean angle traction control would have prevented my most popular video on CZcams.
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Your fuel economy must be really bad sitting in 1st 😂
Dang its too bad the gsxr600 or 750 doesn't have an IMU.
I'm probably hoping for way too much and am most definitely a delusional suzuki fan but I'm really hoping to see Suzuki after the success of the gsx8s/r come out swinging with their 2025 releases. Completely redone and modernized 750 I feel would fill the niche and take over the zx6r's current reigne as king of the midsize supers
The only ones complaining about safety assists are Harley riders.
Tc 1 & 2 are nice, off is nicer.
1 is so good for the street imo, front wheel can lift np, rear can break but not enough to buck you off, responds well to gravel and the lean sensor for the throttle is only bested by aprilia.
@skyoom1 I rode around on for thr first time this season, hot pavement the other day. The way I deal with the bike when the rear starts moving around really impresses me.
Wish my parents heard me back when I was a boy who only wanted to be riding. They completely ignored me & sent me to piano lessons for the duration of my childhood....
Thanks god I have my K8 sevenfif, I'd rather die because I relied on my high intelligence instead of the high dumbness of AI
Ive said it before on reddit and got a t.o.s. violation for hate speech that anyone riding a non abs bike on the road in 2023 (at the time) deserves what they get when they crash. The post was about abs and in my view there is no reason to not have it on every bike. I would never own a bike that doesnt have it, period. I like the way my body functions and want to keep it that way.
I completely understand wanting/owning a bike without either BUT and this is a big BUT for use in controlled conditions, not on the street.
100% Agree
What an interesting opinion.
@@DeniedClimax i will take every advantage i can get. The roads are dangerous and choosing to not have modern safety features is just stupid.
@@St.FighterZ (only talking about ABS specifically) oh I totally agree, if you’d prefer safety features and it gives you peace of mind while riding, it’d be silly to settle for less. That being said, I think it’s a bit aggressive to say non abs deserves what they get when they crash.. not that I disagree, but it is a bit..rash. But to the other end of that, to play devils advocate, while the margin for error locking up your tires/worse is ten-fold without abs, with it, I assure you your braking distance is greater with ABS.. all that being said you’re 100% correct, it is the equivalent of driving without a seatbelt. That being said, I’ve had ABS in 4 wheeled vehicles that have allowed me to experience the negative side of abs as well..needing more brakes, knowing you’ve got the traction and the brake pedal starts rolling over the anti-locks. It all boils down to the operator at the end of the day of course.
Appreciate your time and reply, be safe!
I really dislike ABS, traction control and most of the modern riding aids.
They make an average rider think he or she is better than what they really are and detracts from learning riding skills.
I would go as far to say that they give a false sense of security and actually cause accidents. Controversial I know.
In my early days it was about riding in fields and then progressing to motocross, falling off and learning how to use your body weight, feet etc to keep yourself upright.
Bikes didn’t have 200+ hps back then, but I understand you. I didn’t have abs and tc on my first big bike Kawa 1100 with 160 hp, nor on my next r1 with 186 hp. But riding in cold, rain was always sweaty challenge, sand in a corner was a nightmare dream, rain on a track day was a game of hazard. Now with 140 nm 180 ho bike I am more than happy to have mtc and abs no matter I have 20 years of riding experience, years of club racing, etc
@@TheProperMinter I understand what you are saying, but i am 59 and have had a bike since the age of 4. For most of my adult life a bike has been my main form of transport.
I see so many people riding too fast and too dangerously and they have no clue how to ride and shouldn't be on the road.
It's understanding the feel of the bike beneath you and understanding what the tyres and suspension is doing that should render most driving aids redundant.
It's like we have outsourced learnt skill and feel to a computer chip.
I know I am sounding like a Luddite , but i take pride in my riding skill for however good or bad it happens to be.
How many people these days take an engine apart on the kitchen table and understands how an engine works, or even replace their own brakes.
It's all become sterile.
Suzuki and Nissan have the same crap TCS Hits like a hammer on pro Active, respondent is manageable but I still dislike it. My L5 750 has none of those things.
babe wake up
Let me tell you. I've almost crashed twice due to the abs. I had enough time and space to brake safely, abs kicked in and I in one occasion ended up with the front of the bike in a bush. I wasn't speeding or anything. That said, it was a Yamaha (fukc Yamaha) which has a stupidly intrusive abs. Just by you thinking about pressing the rear brake pedal, it starts immediately releasing pressure.
Regarding TC... I've only once felt that shite on an AT which I deliberately tried to slide the rear. It scared the shite out of me when instead of sliding, the whole bike started shaking. On track, I don't know because I've never felt TC kicking in. Yes I'm a pussy, no need to tell me.
Was it an old yamaha that you ran into the bush with?
@@skyoom1 No, it was with two brand new bikes. One, the one I bought, just had the first service done.
@@zefautino hmmmm, which bike? Yamaha as a has some bikes with, to put it nicely, less than stellar brakes haha
@@skyoom1 Well, those brembos on that magnificent POS that is the T7 are a good example of name meaning nothing. For the first 800 to 1K km the brakes were acceptable, reasonably acceptable I have to say. After that became spongy, and feedback and bite were not that great. And as I said the rear abs had the most advanced case of anxiety I've ever seen.
Call me bias if you will, but the nissin that Honda uses are, in my opinion, just better. Yes with the abs the feedback will always be sketchy, stil...
@@zefautino oh yeah Brembo is a name plate actual quality ranges so much I've stopped giving it any weight
Kawi and honda both no matter what name is on that brake is going to feel damn solid. Yamaha and suzuki its much more bike to bike on what you're getting quality wise ime
Los Angeles is a beautiful city.
I wouldn't make anyone feel bad for wanting the rider aids, but personally I enjoy knowing that the only thing protecting me is my own skill. Same reason I love a manual transmission. I appreciate the freedom. I don't want a nanny, I want to ride the blades edge by nothing but the seat of my pants.
Ps. When you tell people to short GoPro make sure you insist it's not financial advice.
Way to nanny the video.
TC might be cool I've never experienced it. I don't understand abs when it's so easy to brake up to the point where you will flip over the bars if you brake any more.
Because you can easily lock up the front by applying the front brakes quickly and firmly. The front of the bike dives and temporarily puts an enormous amount of force on the front tire, enough to lock it up. Braking hard on an ABS equipped bike is a three stage process. First, the brakes give you full force, second the brakes let off almost completely when the front forks slam to their full compression, and third the ABS then quickly ramps up and holds maximum braking force.
In the rain, the likelyhood of locking up the front tire is so much higher.
Some shit will happen one day where you realize you need to stop right now right as you're going over a patch of gravel, or paint, or a dip in the road, or a manhole cover. If you've got ABS, you're likely to be OK. If you don't, you're going to bodyslam the pavement. Be intelligent before the event.
From experience, when the front locks up on anything other than a perfectly straight flat road you're just on the ground before you realize it. It's incredibly abrupt. Not something you want to happen when you're panic braking to avoid hitting the idiot who just turned left in front of you. Typically it's right at the end when you think just a little more brake will keep you from hitting. Instead you get wham, ground and slide.
There are good abs and bad abs. If you don’t feel yours in decent conditions your is good. Sand on the road, wet or oil patch and you happy to have it
GoPro is trash.
if you can't brake or throttle properly just learn, or ride slower, nannies are not the answer
Good video that being said I don't understand the hate on gopro, I live in Phoenix where it gets over 120 here and regularly hits over 115 and my gopro is chin mounted on my helmet and it never cuts off from heat. If I'm sitting in traffic my phone literally over heats constantly to the point that its annoying buy my gopro has literally never over heated once. You may just have a bad camera. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi my daughter what's to get a Suzuki GTR 650 for her first bike. I've tried to talk out of it but it's to no avail. What do you think of a learner starting with such a powerful bike is as a learner.
While probably not the ideal beginner bike it isn't extreme. The kind of bikes skyoom is typically riding and warning against in his videos have approximately three times as much power. I would encourage your daughter to take classes and seek advanced training because you are unlikely to convince her not to pursue this.