You Won't Really Own Your Car
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- čas přidán 7. 03. 2023
- Linus and Luke talk legal and illegal car theft.
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Countdown to hackers stealing your car without ever getting in it.
or imagine someone hacks it and drives it into a wall, while you are in it!
-Simpsons- Chrysler did it
The capability has already been demonstrated at Cybersecurity events, even for some current cars on the market. So "hackers" have already done it. For now, the white hats are ahead, but that's not nearly assured to remain the case.
well... they already can...
Count down to the LTT parking lot being raided
We're turning off your A/C midsummer in Texas.
Literally putting your life in Ford's hands.
Second hand owner - Paperwork mistake - We're taking your car for non-payment.
We already own nothing, homes get taken if you don't pay taxes, cars, cloth, and accessories have a shorter shelf life. We are owned
I mean. If you dont buy a car off someone without having the mco and title (which a person wouldn't have if they paid off the car) this shouldn't be a problem.
Unless somehow the computer really did fuck up that hard in which case my non lawyer ass thinks thats literally theft and you could sue. Cause if a human repo man takes a car that was paid off I'd argue that's negligence.
Hey, german here. Idk about american law, but if you buy someones car, that they do not own, but you dont know they dont own it, it will become your property. Legally. So unless you inform Ford themselves (Which is a big no-no in data protection) they will not know, and unlawfully do those things to you. (Not to speak of that what they so is incredibly dangerous)
@@lelysio5688 in America when buying a car you don't own it fully until you have the lien on title removed. The title you get is a copy with the liens on it and the actual title is held by the lender until the debts been fully paid off. If the buyer defaults it'll be taken by the repo man.
If you buy a car off someone who bought it on credit it isn't yours because it wasn't theirs. The lender has the title.
Meaning you'd know from the title they give you that they down own it. If you buy a car without getting a title well then that's just dumb.
While doing 70mph on the highway: "Ford servers will be undergoing scheduled maintenance shortly, please pull over to the side of the road and turn the vehicle off to avoid loss of acceleration, braking, and steering. This process should take less than 4 hours. Thank you"
Can see this 🤣🤣🤣
Now that would be pure dystopia, where having low server ping means LESS chance of dying.
Laws that were unenforceable in the past become forceable on automotive dealers and they will take advantage of it! "Your car is not compliance with your current state regulations (California). Head to nearest dealer for adjustment (for a small loan of few grands)"
Car manufacturers will use "security concerns" as a means of disabling someone's vehicle and forcing them to upgrade to something newer. This approach already exists in the industrial controls segment, so it's just a matter of time before that mentality comes to vehicles as well
Yes they will. I expect that buying a car in the future will be just a subscription plan. You get to pay a monthly fee indefinitely and you get a new car every few years. And if you stop paying, your car drives itself to the dealership.
i mean apple already does this, until they get caught then come up with a better way to hide it.
First party malware.
I used to not understand why some hacker/tech-savvy characters in movies love to use out-dated tech.
Now I'm starting to get it.
I've tried a car subscription from Volvo and they came to collect the car from inside my work garage while I was away without notice, not a pleasant surprise coming out during lunch to find it missing...
Theres gotta be more to that story. Did they just randomly take it without warning? Or did you miss payments? Or did the subscription end?
That is through the Care by Volvo program. If you're in the US that would be your local dealerships fault for the lack of comms.
notice never helps them, people like to hide from repo man. next time just pay your bills, im sure they told you to pay it before they took it
I never get that in the US other countries it is a lot harder to take the car because you have an owner certificate like a house here and confiscation can only be done by officials.
@@Fiercesoulking in the US you dont own it until its paid off, so you have a lein on the title from the bank that gave you the loan. once its paid off THEN it cant be taken without a felony involed
For years I was super excited about electric cars... But seeing how it's really a way for large corporations to just control and spy on more and more of your life, I'm going back to the Honda civic.
The tech is amazing. The tech abuse is not.
Except this has nothing to do with electric cars. The patent applies to all cars, the powertrain makes no difference in how they recover it.
You can go back to your Honda Civic for now, but that shit might happen with the next generation of Honda Civic, or in the present case, with the next Ford car models, electric or not.
@@BrownieNB I me, I guess technically you're not wrong, but electric cars are much easier to collect data and spy on and all that stuff.
Also, Honda fund and support Anti Right to Repair measures to prevent you from fixing your own car (instead of taking it to them for a jacked up price).
@@isaac10231 theyre really not, ford and gm have been pushing their self driving tech into their gas trucks for a while, its just consiqence of the times. If you look at EVs built 10-20 years ago they have little to no electronics.
@@VladReble so the solution is to only buy gas cars from 20 years ago and ignore when the Wall Street Journal says their weird Mediterranean abrahamic cult shit like "eat zee bugs" or "do not have zee babies"
Mercedes is looking to come out with features where they're not available until you pay for them even though they are already installed in the car. An example they gave were seat warmers. If you don't want to pay the extra fee for them then they just simply arrive disabled
Don’t BMW and Tesla already do that?
Many companies already do it that way, and its not that bad. You still own the wiring and everything in your car. But the new thing is to have the seat heaters be a subscription plan. So that they will work for a month if you pay 10 bucks and then they will get deactivated again. Theoretically you still own all the hardware and could probably bypass the system by running wires straight from the battery through a switch to the seat heater.
It's cheaper for everyone to do it this way. The assembly line has less variations of products to build so they save some money, but they still need people paying for the option.
AMD, Intel, and Nvidia have all done this with GPUs and CPUs. I remember turning my AMD 6950 into a 6970 just by flashing the BIOS. Intel has sold quad cores that are locked to dual cores and you can buy an "upgrade".
Why does it matter if the car I ordered without seat warmers has them disabled?
DLC
you will own nothing and you will be happy
you will eat ze bugs and you will be happy
And people still say it's a conspiracy theory.
@@dustojnikhummer sadly people love sucking off corporations and getting nothing back in return
@dustojnikhummer I don't think its a conspiracy but more the inevitable treadmill of capitalism
I'll be damned.
Cars peaked in the mid 2000s. The most technological thing I want in my current and future cars is bluetooth on the radio, Everything else I want to be mechanical or analog
I've never been "into" cars, but seeing what the future holds I may want to keep my current car for the next 30-50 years so better start learning i guess.
I’d like a hybrid but I don’t want my car connected to the internet at all. My car doesn’t need anything from the internet.
I already have maps and entertainment on my phone, I’ll just plug it into the USB port.
this is why i drive a 1999 land rover. literally rebuilt the engine in the alleyway over a couple of weekends (had to work inbetween)
Should technically be easy to swap out your head unit (radio) for a Bluetooth enabled one. I'm saving money to do it on my 2011 crown Vic lol
@@snakeisekans yes I have a 2000 Toyota Hilux with a $30 head unit and the Bluetooth work better than my mom's 2014 BMW
I work in the automotive industry and we will get cars equipped with past time devices which car sellers can use to prevent car owners from being able to start their vehicle if they are behind on payments. We sometimes have them come in when the device dies so they cant start the car, or after the owner finishes paying off the vehicle they come in to have the device removed.
That's pretty much all this is but more towards trying to get someone to make those payments again in a nicer way, seat controls gets shut off but you can still drive to work is better than the car just not starting. There will be errors ofcourse and some inconvenience but those will be better than the device decides it is done working or there was a clerical error which results in a non starting car and a missed day at work. If something goes wrong it is better to be able to deal with it after the day at work is done rather than instead of work.
@@JETWTF I don't think a little degraded functionality is going to help or motivate faster repayment from the people who are actually struggling to make their repayments. Linus raises an important point that incorrect seat positioning may be a safety hazard, so it should not be considered an optional feature with which to badger the debtor and motivate them to make their repayments.
I've read so many reddit posts regarding dealerships being negligent and borderline abusive of their backdoor systems on customers' vehicles, that it's realy dystopian even til today. It's confusing how western law makes such of these legal
Not really. It's called lobbying. If you just keep throwing cash at politicians you can make most laws go away, either for yourself (ideally to get competitive advantage) or for the industry as a whole (see lobby groups). I don't know if the UK and Canada operate the same way.
Someone needs to remind Ford that car crashes are done with the doors locked for the safety of the driver/passengers. Having the doors not lock puts everyone in the car at a much higher risk and puts that injury maybe in Fords fault. We all know things go wrong and someone's car will be turned off by mistake and it might not end well.
Very true!
Ford is big enough to get away with being sued
@@JC-tg5xx fair. Suing hardly matters
@@JC-tg5xx That's never the right answer even if it is sadly true.
i like my old car where theres almost no technology, i think im going to be getting an even older car next
cars peaked 5-10 years ago when tech had been added to all the convenient things (like bluetooth speaker systems and auto locking doors) but hadn’t made its way into every single feature that definitely needs to not be teched up
Good point about Tesla cars. One clarification, the removed feature was radar, not lidar.
It's very much like the motorcycle jacket with airbags that requires a subscription. If you don't pay, the bags won't inflate.... It was a big story at the time I think 2 years ago
If memory serves me well, which most of the time it doesn't, I think they talked about that motorcycle jacket on the WAN show a while ago.
@@hunterrliese I think that's where I heard about it! On the WAN show
In American it was a strange experience to have the doors autolock once you went over like 30mph.
In Australia the doors don't automatically lock. You do have central locking though.
Depends on the car, not the country. I'm in Northern Ireland and my 2015 Volkswagen Golf and my parents' 2015 Vauxhall Insignia both have automatic locking when you go over 10mph, but on both cars it was off by default and had to be enabled in settings.
I live in Germany and have a 2015 Mazda 3 which doesn't have this feature, but I once drove in a ~2002 Mercedes ML that automatically locked the doors above walking speed. So not country dependant, more like brand and vehicle dependant.
What's to stop them from using that feature after you have finished paying off the car itself?
Under Florida law for example this is how its written "your lender must give you an opportunity to meet at a mutually agreed-upon place to surrender the car and remove your belongings before the lender repossesses the car. If you don't do this, lenders aren't required to give you any further notice before the repossession"
In other words depending on how this is implemented and done, this could easily break the law.
That doesnt make any sense. All i'd have to do is not "mutually agree" to a place and the cars mine to do with as i see fit. You're clearly missing some details there bud.
@@asmosisyup2557 I think your clearly missing some details, that part is covered in the law "If you don't do this, lenders aren't required to give you any further notice before the repossession" So no if you don't "mutually agree", the law does not protect against repossession.
As a gen z-er, I’m extremely pissed off about corporations practices. Good f-ing luck “owning” anything
Late-Stage Capitalism baby of course this was going towards this when everything is about never-ending growing profits for corps (which is unsustainable). The corporations cutting your wages/jobs so they can increase profits which leads to more and more people that can't afford things because things get more expensive every year. Credit is through the roof because people don't have money from what I mentioned before so they have to go into debt even though they're the only reason the company has any profits in the first place. Then instead of just paying people what they deserve so they can live a fulfilling life they use the money to lobby to keep wages low and stupid things like this technology that makes your cars drive back to the dealership so you can't even go to work anymore 😆they're eating themselves.
As an unlucky millenial who always only saw the other end of the capitalism-stick: I feel ya.
It's time for capitalism being taken to the backyard...
@@alhira5098 It'd be nice if America moved back to Democracy as a form of government instead of Corporate regulation.
@@bobbob-mi6pq Its ironic and funny...because where we are at right now Corporatism is just Communism lite. Instead of the state owning the means of production its a select few owning the means of production while inserting their yes men into seats of trust. This has nothing to do with capitalisms because that died once Wilson inked the Federal Reserve Act removing the flow of money to a private bank (Fed reserve) instead of it being regulated by the Dept of Treasury, and FDR passing every craptivist New Deal program. Your money says Federal Reserve...a bank....not the Dept of Treasury. The last minted dollar that did that was under JFK. Also the reason your wages are cut, globalism...15 minute cities...globalism..."you will own nothing and like it" - the same people the champion Climate Change, Globalism, 15 minute cities, and every darling socialist program you want. Late stage capitalism my free ass...
It's not capitalism per se, it's corporatism. Corporations should not have any sway in lawmaking.
if that dystopian car shit happens people will just outright hack there cars
and other people will hack your car.
Car Piracy! Jailbreaking cars will be a thing.
It has happened, and it is happening. Did you miss the bit about Kea cars?
It’s never too late to fund public transportation, bike lanes, and walkable cities.
EU is working on legislation, to force car manufactures to retain full control or cars from manufacture to recycling. Including preventing re-sale by customer. This in fact will end ability to own a car. This patent fits in very nicely.
Then property tax should become null & void.
"You will own nothing and be happy."
ok what, have you got a source for that?
@@scottstamm7022 There is no property tax on cars in most (if not all) EU member states. VAT will be paid on „subscription” instead of purchase, so taxman will be happy.
@@Montrala where I live, we do.
The auto locking thing isn't what Linus thinks it is at the start, it means the fact the Key remotely locks all doors, you'd have to go to each door individually with the manual key, like a 2000s Micra haha
are you sure? because he said automatic locking, and that is a feature on a lot of cars, where the doors automatically lock when you start driving.
@@SeanWithaFada TBH I'm not sure, thinking about it again Linus sounds right, but I personally don't see why disabling the locking when driving off would be a thing that people would see as a feature to lose to the point of making them want to not miss payments more, what I'm saying is if you can't pay for your car, turning off that feature wouldn't do anything, maybe it's just me but both of my cars don't even have that feature, disabling my remote locking key/central locking so I had to unlock each door manually with the key would make me Hella more want to continue payments, glad I own both my cars and their 2014 models without all this 24/7 connected big brother stuff 🤣🤣
But saying that I see what you mean it sounds more like what Linus said now, I getchu 😅
@@Shellcoolso that they can't lock themselves inside the car and refuse to get out?
@@Arassar I think you're onto something, it's the opposite, they lock you in the car and the car drives itself to a debt collectors and they take your organs to pay off the car 🤔
Ive only owned 90s tacomas since their release (1st gen tacos). It'll be a sad day when I have to move on to a more modern work partner. There may be many like it and everday less, but this'll always my fav gundam.
Imagine war starts and your car just drives away because the government needs it.
When I bought my first nice car, I felt the same way. I found that I didn't want to be seen in it by family members cause I didn't want them to think I was flaunting it or whatever
As a person who doesn't have a nice car, I can't relate
I don't mind having a level of degradation applied before repossession. I worked at an ISP where sometimes people just stop paying, you degrade the service and they pay straight away. The alternative is an extreme action line disconnection or repossession with many unavoidable costs on both sides.
With the car driving it’s self away, it’s definitely not like if you stopping paying a regular car’s installments a random person comes to your house and takes it
the driving away is arguably the most understandable thing, almost everything else is at least to some degree dangerous.
@@rileyblair7273 I agree but the majority of it is just irritating, which I’d say is preferable to the risk of violence during a repossession
@Popy fair but theoretically you could just repossess without the risks associated with irritations. It's all tradeoffs.
GPS can let them find the car to Repo but control such as a kill switch are way too dangerous... How many horror stories did OnStar create ?
Disabling features is stupid. If the user hasn't paid for the car, take it back. All or nothing. Trying to make them uncomfortable to make them pay is just looking for trouble. As for not owning cars, that is a good thing, lets improve the public transport and bicycle infrastructure.
Exactly my thoughts
Yeah let's hope bcs of this, cities will now improve other transport infrastructures. Though i doubt that'll happen and instead will make a law to just stop what ford is doing (bcs at this point they are just too car dependent)
@@dri4nr4dit37 laws must stop this regardless... no pay? well now u cant move ur seat to safely drive... you now cant cool yourself down to healthy levels... now u can lose your car if you don't pay randomly... (like just go to court ford as you've been doing for years if a customer doesn't pay) and lastly, a hacker wants ur car he can take it
Yeah exactly this. I agree that there is no such thing as a free lunch but if the option was added then that should be it. If it's a software update to enable the feature then a fixed lifetime price should be offered.
I have a 2001 Toyota and a 2012 Kia. I own everything
You own 2 shitboxes congrats bro
@@tj9959 better than owning nothing
I see a gray market growing up where you swap the computer out with a non-sanctioned version that doesn't have connectivity like this.
6:56 He announced the location of the offices at some point?!? I knew they show in the videos like a google maps zoom in but like a youtuber could just show up to say hi without ever being given the location lol
Just fucking repo the car, not this passive aggressive shutoff of features until they have the car repo itself.
3:46 exactly. There basically is no support or updates for cars. You’re stuck with what you get, for better it got worse. No wonder Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are popular, since the stock infotainment system will never be updated with features or to address bugs.
Imagine you just bought a ford with a low paying job, living rent to rent and doing your best. You miss a payment to buy food or pay the electricity bill
And you car just fucking drives away, no more easy access to your job, walk for groceries, etc
What about those who have paid the amount due for the car? Will the manufacturer relinquish control of the internals and features after that? Why would they?
And why is credit not separate from purchase? You buy a car made by manufacturer A but take credit from Bank B. This way manufacturer has no reason to control your car and Bank has no way to control your car.
payment just messes up (banks never make mistakes ..) - i get a beep alarm in the middle of the night while driving, get spooked and react badly and crash.
or i vote for the wrong side and get my bank account locked and ford just drives my car away (see trucker convoy)
2:29 that ticker message...
Prime example, my 2021 Toyota Corolla, which is still under bumper to bumper warranty, the entune software which controls updates to the car and the radio is no longer supported in the replacement software-only notifies me when I need to get an oil change. The navigation system which I paid for no longer functions because it was through the entune software specifically!
The built in WIFI hotspot only works through AT&T, and since I bought it used, it is Registered to the previous owner and will not let me set it up! Toyota says that I need to contact AT&T, and AT&T says I need to contact Toyota, so that functionality is dead.
Asking cat manufacturers to support their cars for even 3 years is a stretch these days, and add functions like Ford is suggesting is just asking for it to be exploited!
As an automotive technician I can see that causing a huge amount of ‘false complaints’ wasting customers time as well as service centers time. A shocking amount of people can’t even tell you the difference between a check engine light and an oil change reminder or TPMS light.
I can only imagine the amount of people that bring their car to a shop because of something stupid like their seat isn’t working correctly. 1) what system will be in place for independent shops know if it’s been purposefully disabled by the manufacturer. 2) I personally make it a point to not charge a customer if no significant time has been spent diagnosing it, particularly if I can’t give them an answer or there is nothing actually wrong with the car. Many techs/shops don’t do that. So now you have somebody that can’t/won’t pay their car bill. Now they will be spending more money over a non-issue.
These things better clearly be communicated with the owner over the infotainment system.
I am surprised we don't have inbuilt speed limiters yet. We have the technology, GPS phone apps can accurately detect your speed and compare it to the speed limit in that section of the road. Cars also have tempometers which automatically adjust your speed to the maximum you set. It would be super easy to link those systems up and force everyone to drive at the speed limit. Ofc nobody would do this because it would reduce sales, but if the government forced everyone to do it, customers wouldn't have a choice in the matter
That's the most Canadian story I've ever heard. Just drives intruder to destination.
This is why we need to push public transit and urban walkability. These car companies will do ANYTHING to make us more dependent on them. When will we say we’ve had enough of this as a society? There are still streets in my city with no sidewalks. They just don’t exist. You know what exists next to the lack of sidewalk? A little bit of grass, and then a 3-lane stroad. Absolute insanity that we’ve allowed this to happen. Not Just Bikes just put out a fantastic video essay about why we should restrict ‘light trucks’ and SUV’s, but all of his videos are shockingly eye-opening.
Who knows maybe in the future you are required to have a good social credits in order to access public transports and be denied service if you said something nasty about a certain company or the govt
I want to have to walk or ride a bike like I want aids
haha the cars from the 60's aint looking to shaby now aye!
Not paying for your car is far different than the ongoing re-occurring/even monthly subscription fees for your car. Car companies expect to make billions charging customers recurring fees for vehicle features, like charging monthly subscription fees for automatic high beams, remote start, heat warmers and other car features/functions
the amount of damage and chaos a small bug in this system could cause...
This is genuinely dangerous. The seat controls especially. But the other stuff, like windows, climate control etc. can become significant safety factors. Will Ford turn off heating in the winter? Even the infotainment system can be a safety issue. Most people these days use satnav. If you bought a car the either comes with a nav system or syncs up to an app on your phone, you probably didn't invest in a holder. Do you think people will suddenly start memorizing maps when their infotainment system shuts off? No, they're going to drive holding their phone and are more likely to get into a crash. Horrible idea on basically every level.
That feeling when you never cared where the LTT offices were because you already knew from just recognising the location from the videos.
What they need to do is stop giving bad loans.
1:13 Nice, Linus... real nice
American country music would be amazing. Truck left and went back to the seller.
dont have to worry about 15 yrs still being on the road they wont last that long. gone are the days of self maintenance (im biased towards wanting it to be ending being an automotive technician) but i still drive a VERY mechanical car that i can rebuild with limited tooling
7:46 An excellent choice might I add. Le Porsche Taycan is beautiful and fast
i hope you are happy with the car Linus, my friends dad was part of making this car a reality.
“You will own everything and they will be pissed” Louis Rossman
Yup, the future for this isn't a win for corporations; it's people fire bombing ford dealerships for fun and pirating literally everything 🤷♂
Not just that, but what happens when there's a clerical error and they take your car?
And these companies wonder why piracy is rampant... in a world where this exists hacking this is inevitable.
Stuff like this has existed before. The bank could keep your car from starting if you didn't pay your bills, so you couldn't drive it away before they could repossess it.
First of all, if I saw something along the lines of "By signing this deed you give the automobile manufacturer complete and total control of the functions of your motor vehicle and the power to do with that control anything at its discretion," on a contract, I would tear that up. Second of all, if someone I knew had their car turned off or driven away by Ford, I would say something about how the customer expected a fully functional car, and since it wasn't given to them, why should they pay for it? One thing we need soon is legislation that stops companies from abusing tech.
Noo, you didn't get rid of the Volt did you?!
what can i say my car is 20 years old and cannot drive itself away no automatic gearbox nothing. this patent can go and screw itself in the corner. in 2032 i will habe a h-registration so no legislation can mess with me.
2000 and H registration... not until i see it :P
@@Rolly369 people said the same about 80s cars back in the day...
@@SimonBauer7 yeah, but 80s cars did not came with plastic engine hardware, complex electronics and planned obsolescence.
if you really use it as dayly driver, it will get a moneypit and finally you wont be able to get parts... my oldy is 40years and i only use it for casual driving, because it gets a pain to always craft parts myself.
If you don’t pay for something or miss car payments it doesn’t automatically make it the dealers again. There’s contracts and a whole court process for disputes.
It's not even the dealer in the case of new cars like he's saying either. It's whatever bank financed the car that handles the repo process.
I don't know about this one. While the stated purpose is a good one, I do understand why some people are concerned about it. Maybe if the hardware/software for it could be removed once the lien on the title has been removed, or something like that. Remember, if you have a lien on a car, it is not your car.
Honestly I think this makes it so the market will be RIPE for a car manufacture that sells "dumb" cars. There's a small market for Dumb phones now but, they suck and don't do as much. Since a car only needs to take you from point A to B. and until they ban all older cars, either by SMOG or making it hard to repair and disposable, we can just refuse to buy new cars.
it used to be cheaper to buy a new car than to fix and repair/maintain an older model. but at this point, if you can do your own repairs and maintenance, it's now cheaper to own older (more than 10 years old) cars.
The problem is you might buy you car in cash and they might still remotely control it!
People who finance a car instead of buying something old with cash deserve what comes their way, but their responsible counterparts that only buy what they can afford are disrespected on their property and freedom rights. Next, they won't let you drive more than your allowance, they might also take your car away if you "don't drive properly" or if you just have a low social score because you eat too much meat and you never volunteer.
Oh, and be prepared for them to take the car away from you if they consider it "obsolete" or if you don't take to their official oficines for preventive maintenance! They will also say it's for YOUR good and everybody else's LOL
When buying a car, you need to get vehicle reports to check the status, repair history, financing, and all other information lines up.
I actually don't have a problem with this.
It's incredibly dangerous and thus expensive to repossess vehicles.
That repossession charge is also what is baked into the cost for any vehicle loan.
If anyone can reduce the chance of repossession by encouraging payment and/or just repossessing it without needing people to be put in (sometime literal) harms way that is a HUGE cost savings that in an industry like cars WILL go back into the price of the product or financing due to the competitive nature of the industry.
The TLDR here is, If you pay your debts. It's going to be cheaper for you in the long run. If you cant pay your debts, talk to your creditor and work out a deal. Don't ignore the problem till said problem drives off on its own.
Damn that Tycan didn’t get to make any noise in Europe,or at least Eastern Europe,but that car sure do looks nice!
This is why I probably won't live anywhere I can't go to work by hopping on a train or a bus
The real fear, other than the profit milking, is that the subscription model potentially controls every computer controlled function on the car. And such software is subject to corruption and bugs. This means the possibility exists that their profit seeking tinkering could cause airbags to not deploy, or, deploy when they shouldn't. Or cause the transmission to not shift, of shift problematically. Everything in these modern cars runs through that subscription managed computer now. And as we all know, software doesn't always work the way the end user or even the coder expects in every situation because the coder could not think of every possible situation.
Hackers when they get into the system and drive all the cars back at once: *evil laughter*
This is why I'll never buy a car that will not run on open source software, just like my computers.
Will you paint the porsche pink with green racing stripes?
You should not feel bad or apprehensive about you car or anything else you own or purchase, you have worked hard to get where you are at now and not like you went out and bought a lambo...I know there are some that will scoff at it but its there issue. I'm genuinely happy for you and your teams success
Miss payments and Repo Man comes and takes the car as it is. What's the difference? I agree disabling specific features is a problem - they should just shut the car down or put it in 'limp' mode.
Someone needs to start building a normal mechanical cars again, with no software.
I’m kind of curious if the car repossess itself, drives itself to the dealership and gets into a accident on the way would it be the dealerships problem or the owners?
At that point it would have to be legal for a car to drive itself without anybody ready to take over, so I assume we will also have the liability figured out.
I like turning off convenience features. Radio. Automatic seat adjustment. Heated seats and steering wheel. “Sport” mode. Auto wipers. Cruise control. Trunk buttons (yep get out and use your key!) etc. Like, turn off AC or heating. Make it REALLY annoying to keep. No more low fuel warnings. No more parking cameras. Etc. Seriously, all that’s fine. But locking? No.
I think AC/Heating should be allowed because of certain climates and some stupid people (which is more likely since they are basically stealing the car at that point) would leave pets or children in the car
Another reason to get away from car-dependent infrastructure and towards pedestrian infrastructure and public transportation
Since so many people obviously have issue with this, just have it repossessed, from the 2nd, 3rd late monthly payment and be done with it. This way people won't even have the use of the vehicles. Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, the trajectory of wireless access to our vehicles in the future almost seems inevitable.
I've heard of killswitch systems for cars framed as a cheaper method of repossession. Still, debtor probably needs the car to go to work, and needs to go to work to pay the car loan, so, repossessing too promptly is arguably counterproductive to getting the loan repaid.
Cars are shit to begin with. We had a brand new 2018 diesel Chevy Equinox and multiple times per year every year the DEF system wiring harness melts down because the wiring is in the rear bumper where road salt deteriorates it. It takes months to get parts to get it fixed every time. So we bought a 2022 gas GMC Terrain and the third time we drove it the turbo air inlet got restricted with ice... so it disables the cruise control... WHY?!?
The world is a shitty place when someone has to walk on eggshells around the fact that they bought a nice car. People are so inherently envious. You’d never have to do that with a shitbox car.
I don't understand why people decide to pay Tesla 8-10K directly in profits instead of buying something else where you get 7-9K more car for your money.
Oh no. Oh hell no. Anything but that please...
I hope the patent doesn't go through
I'm a car guy and this is really bad. Really really bad if this goes through. I really hope it doesn't.
I have a 2022 GR Yaris. I'm good.
the thing that doesnt make sense to me is that the dealership doesnt actually sell YOU the car. They sell it to the bank giving you the loan so at that point its up to the bank to repossess the car. so would the bank then go through the dealership to repossess the car??? were on the worst timeline
Hey all us Americans, do you remember that $1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill that was passed in 2021? H.R. 3684? Well there's a section in there that gave car manufacturers 3 years to create a system that would shut off the car if it detected you were drunk. Go give it a read
Maybe the application for the patent at least is a good thing? A patent is a hurdle toward other companies to use the patented system or technology. as long as patents for annoying or bad systems stay at a single company we will still be able to go to the competition. UNLESS they decide to pay a fee to ford and also have systems like this and drive up the cost of the competitors at the same time.
Tesla didn't cut prices, they put them back to the original price. During covid when supply was low and demand was high, they raised their prices. Now that supply is high and demand is slower, they have since reduced it back to the original msrp
Just found my new favorite Linus quote 😅 do they have a syringe filled with, you know? Aids
This is so weird. Either repossess the car or don't, how can there be something in between?
Rip the damn computer out at that point
I don't necessarily hate the idea of remote repossession. No worse than a tow truck coming and taking the car. It just automates the process, but that would have to be all that happens. Maybe a warning message on the dash a few weeks before, but not deactivating necessary features like seat adjustment or, depending on the region, climate controls.
"I for one welcome our capitalist overlords"
@@MushookieMan repo is going to happen either way. Does it really make a difference how it happens?
@@JonathanCF0 Yes, because due process and protecting private property rights are actually important. Thinking that if 99% of times the outcome is the same, then it doesn't matter, that is such an autistic way of thinking (not insulting you, I think that way sometimes)
@@JonathanCF0 In a way, it does make a difference...Proactively installing systems (along with their inherit vulnerabilities for abuse) on the assumption of a repro to the general population, sounds pretty dystopian to me.
I mean we can take this up a notch: Why don't we just make it so every house sold has "auto-changing locks" that won't let you in if you miss a mortgage payment...Same thing, the bank has the right to repro the property, but for the everyday person who actually keeps up with their payments, it's nothing but a liability for the gain of lienholders.
If you're in the USA, owning something is not the same as something being yours and yours alone . From software to hardware and from intellectual property to physical property. Even if you buy a home and paid in cash the entire price, owing no debt to anyone, you still have to pay your overlords a fee in order to be allowed to live there. Failing to pay your overlords for permission to live in a house you owe no money on and "own" will result in your removal from that property and potentially incarcerated,then your overlords sell all of it to someone else who is compliant with the required extortion charges for permission to live there.
Why? Because 🇺🇸 is why.
Where you can be against slavery and still have most everything in your possession made by a slave (the younger the slave the more expensive the item, such as iPhones).
funny you should say Tesla,
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened an investigation into Tesla's Model Y after reports that the steering wheels fell off while the electric car was being driven.
The agency cited two complaints and determined that the cars were missing a bolt that holds the steering wheel to the steering column. The investigation will examine Tesla's manufacturing process and determine how many vehicles were shipped with the missing bolt. It will then decide whether or not to issue a recall
i've just got 4 teslas /finger snap/ as soon as price dropped, crazy times we live in
I'm rather glad I recently got gifted a '97 Corolla in good condition and don't have to deal with this newer car bs.
Hell yeah. I got to drive a Taycan 4S and sheeeeeew. That thing was SWEET.