Great work! Thanks for sharing this video with us Rookies. I am in the process of going from a Johnson 15 hp to a Mudd Motor setup. Not sure what I NEED. My use will be just putting along fishing, fish line setting and getting to those honey holes off the creek and rivers. I am using to for myself and small grandkids once in awhile. Don't really need high speeds, just reliability. Your info was great and presented OUTSTANDING. You should consider writing a manuel or book on this topic! Appreciate Your contribution to this arena. Semper Fi
Thanks, I appreciate it. I just had a bunch of frustrations when I started using them so I wanted to put everything I learned out there to help anyone else.
My experience with the anti-cavitation plate. I set it to run out of the water at high speed. This allows me to use a larger prop with a heavy load when starting out. In my opinion the twisters curved design facilitates cavitation.
I wish I would’ve found your videos b4 duck season instead of half way thru duck season, especially trim bolt one, My boat is running amazing now!! I was wondering about the jack plate, why did you choose to put one on and what are the pros? I don’t know much about those and with the depth of info on your videos I figure to ask Thank You!!
Depends on which motor your referring to. With the 420cc I left the regular fuel tank on and usually carry a gas tank. But on the 212cc I use a pulse pump as the fuel pump, a fuel line to a filter that is the same diameter as the cap on the gas can, and an o-ring to seal it with about 12" of line to act as a pickup. I just loosen the lid a little when running so it can vent.
Did you ever get vibration with the stock prop? Got an XL with MS 16hp motor on a 14’ big job and I can’t get much speed at all and it’s gotta be pretty deep to get it to go. Have used cavitation plate too. Think I should get the 2 blade?
Running it closer to the surface gets a little more speed to a certain point. I tend to get the best with it sticking out just a little, maybe halfway.
I just got the Twister XL and having problems with the three blade wanting to dig a hole and not put the boat on plane I do have the two blade prop adapter kit on the way
Can you explain how you put your motor when your’re pulling it behind your truck. Any tips? Because I recently got mine and I’m trying to find the best way to secure it during travel
I turn the trim bolt all the way in, spin it around, wrap the skeg in a towel, and tie it to one of the ribs on the boat, then the ratchet strap I use to hold the boat down goes over the tail and I use the excess to do a clove hitch around the tail shaft.
Sorry to hear that. This video has been on my mind for quite some time now, I finally got a chance to make it now. I know there's been a lot of frustration with these but I just wanted to show that there's potential if you take a little bit of time to set it up well.
Do you have issues with vegetation getting caught on the skeg on the twister I do very badly wondering about cutting off and building one more like mud buddy or Go-Devil skeg what you think
Not too often with the skeg, I do have to lift the prop and rev it up once in a while to clear the prop off. But I intend on doing the same thing in the near future because I go over a lot of logs and branches, so I want to build the skeg at a better angle to help slide over things. Right now it's at a really sharp angle and can smack things pretty hard.
Hey man thanks for this video, I had been thinking of buying a twister for my grumman sportboat and your video sold me on it. Do you remember what size and thread the trim bolt on the 7hp kit was? Id like to run to the hardware store before my kit shows up. I appreciate the info on the twister motors, thanks for taking the time to make these videos!
Unfortunately I don't remember off the top off my head. I remember it being a metric thread and I think I needed to go to Fasenal to get one because I couldn't find one at Lowe's. I want to say it was M14, but I don't want to steer you wrong.
@@HORUSCOOKS I've always liked those Sportboats. Rarely come across them, that's going to be an awesome combo. I used to have mine on a Gheenoe knockoff and it was a fun boat, but the fiberglass was taking too much of a beating and after getting tired of working with glass and resin I finally went to aluminum. The sportboat seems like the best of both worlds.
@@playinlikejimi yeah man they are super hard to find, especially down here in Florida. I ended up finding one made in 1960 for a steal after looking for almost a year. I pretty much went the same route as you with the gheenoe- I was running the cheap mudskipper longtail kit on a indian river otter 12' flat back canoe. It was a cool combo but the transom definitely wasn't happy. I feel like the sport boat and the twister will be great for running the saint John's river backwater where I live 👍👍
@@HORUSCOOKS I'm in Georgia between Brunswick and Savannah. Email me at GunnersHide@gmail.com if you want to test drive some different kits or buy one already built and water ready.
I'll try to get some up. I mostly stick to stuff someone can learn from, but I feel like there's already so much info on these motors. When I get the time I'll do one on my remote fuel tank setup. I've had plenty of questions on that.
Absolutely. They each have their pro's and con's, but I for the most part, I prefer the twister. For portability I might choose a longtail. Like if I have to drag the boat over land, it's easier to remove and carry in sections. Or if log crossings are my main concern, a longtail would be better. But for a most everything else I'd choose a twister. Although I can't speak for any of the higher end American Longtails. Just compared to what I know, which are the import ones.
The 420cc is heavier on the engine side so it naturally sits with the prop out, and you can easily make a little loop with string to hold the 212 out of the water, but you also shouldn't have much of an issue drifting with it in the water if the motor is off.
It's an adjustable Jackplate I make with 4" of travel. I have a few more in stock, shoot me an email at gunnershide@gmail.com and I can pass you my contact info if you're interested.
I haven't noticed a difference in speed. I built it because the shaft would hit the boat sides when trying to spin it around and I got tired of having to unscrew the motor and lift it off the transom mount to spin it. I also needed it to run surface drive motors, they were hanging too low and I had a lot of transom splash.
All those numbers are for the 420cc. The part that says 212cc was just for my thread count to make it level when I swap motors. So the 21mph with 8" is with a 420cc.
Have a twister xl on a 459 stage 1. Its running pretty good but it seems to need an excess of weight in the back to prevent the front from plowing. Running prop about half in water while on plane. Any ideas?
I’m having the same issue man ! Same exact set up too!! When I run by my self it runs stupid fast about 24 with 2 and fishing gear and trolling motor like 16 max
@352fishing4 I'm getting about 20 mph with 2 people and gear but we both need to be on back seat. One on front speed drops to 16 because it plows. Solo speeds aren't great around 17 because I need more weight in the back to prevent it from plowing. Usually fishing with a friend though. It has to be either the trim or a hook in the hull
So by adding weight to back you are trimming the bow up, if your prop height is ok, but your bow is heavy, then you need to lower your motor and raise the trim up to the right height again which will give your prop more up angle (or less down angle) Depending on how big your boat is, you may just need more weight in the back as a twister setup isnt very heavy relative to an outboard.
The intro clip is a 1236 with a 420cc, the clips about a minute in are a 1436 with a 212cc (except the last one which is just the intro again). The rest of the video with the explanation is the 1236 with a 212cc.
@@onquackoutdoors9475 The cav plate acts like a wing under the water, tons of drag. Getting rid of it was always a goal of mine but the cavitation made it an issue. going to employ the tips in this video for sure.
With gas prices the way they are I can't just be taking the boats out willy-nilly lol. Exact same method though, but I'll try to make one. I have a 22hp surface drive for my 16' and I'll get it mounted as soon as I get my fuel system finalized.
Thanks for doing all that work and sharing!
What an awsome and informative video. Thanks
Great work! Thanks for sharing this video with us Rookies. I am in the process of going from a Johnson 15 hp to a Mudd Motor setup. Not sure what I NEED. My use will be just putting along fishing, fish line setting and getting to those honey holes off the creek and rivers.
I am using to for myself and small grandkids once in awhile. Don't really need high speeds, just reliability.
Your info was great and presented OUTSTANDING. You should consider writing a manuel or book on this topic!
Appreciate Your contribution to this arena.
Semper Fi
Thanks, I appreciate it. I just had a bunch of frustrations when I started using them so I wanted to put everything I learned out there to help anyone else.
Mission Accomplished!
My experience with the anti-cavitation plate. I set it to run out of the water at high speed. This allows me to use a larger prop with a heavy load when starting out. In my opinion the twisters curved design facilitates cavitation.
I just got one for my 12' gamefisher. Got a fully built 212 that's going on it. Can't wait to see how it does!
How’d it go?
I'll be watching when I put mine together, twister xl with 13hp electric start on a 13.5/32 jon boat
I wish I would’ve found your videos b4 duck season instead of half way thru duck season, especially trim bolt one, My boat is running amazing now!!
I was wondering about the jack plate, why did you choose to put one on and what are the pros? I don’t know much about those and with the depth of info on your videos I figure to ask
Thank You!!
whether this tool can be used for boats at sea or salt water ..??
We’re do I get the adapter at for this I need one bad I still have the 3 blade and it sucks
What jack plate are you using?
I see you are running a jack plate. What do you find to be an ideal transom height on the 5-7 hp twister kit?
Amigo qual é melhor para o barco andar mais rápido,a rabeta reta ou essa curvada aí?
Great video! What is the product you are using to have a jerrycan as a fuel tank?
Depends on which motor your referring to. With the 420cc I left the regular fuel tank on and usually carry a gas tank. But on the 212cc I use a pulse pump as the fuel pump, a fuel line to a filter that is the same diameter as the cap on the gas can, and an o-ring to seal it with about 12" of line to act as a pickup. I just loosen the lid a little when running so it can vent.
Whats the length of the trim bolt you used to eplace the stock one with ?
Did you ever get vibration with the stock prop? Got an XL with MS 16hp motor on a 14’ big job and I can’t get much speed at all and it’s gotta be pretty deep to get it to go. Have used cavitation plate too. Think I should get the 2 blade?
Most definitely get the 2 blade adapter. I won't use or sell a kit without one. Very big difference.
Awesome. Hey man will the boat go faster if the prop is only 3 1/4 The way in the water. Or under water. What good fun
Running it closer to the surface gets a little more speed to a certain point. I tend to get the best with it sticking out just a little, maybe halfway.
Can i put a motor like this on a drift boat?
Where can I buy the JACKPLATE on your j9n boat?
I just got the Twister XL and having problems with the three blade wanting to dig a hole and not put the boat on plane I do have the two blade prop adapter kit on the way
I have the same problem. They are out of stock of the two blade adapter. Even adjusting the trim bolt doesn’t do much because it runs low in the water
Once I received the two blade what a world of difference 20 mph on a 1544 with the 420cc
The 3 blade is absolute garbage.
Can you explain how you put your motor when your’re pulling it behind your truck. Any tips? Because I recently got mine and I’m trying to find the best way to secure it during travel
I turn the trim bolt all the way in, spin it around, wrap the skeg in a towel, and tie it to one of the ribs on the boat, then the ratchet strap I use to hold the boat down goes over the tail and I use the excess to do a clove hitch around the tail shaft.
Wish this vid was up when I had a twister, I couldn’t ever get it tuned exactly
Sorry to hear that. This video has been on my mind for quite some time now, I finally got a chance to make it now. I know there's been a lot of frustration with these but I just wanted to show that there's potential if you take a little bit of time to set it up well.
Do you have issues with vegetation getting caught on the skeg on the twister I do very badly wondering about cutting off and building one more like mud buddy or Go-Devil skeg what you think
Not too often with the skeg, I do have to lift the prop and rev it up once in a while to clear the prop off.
But I intend on doing the same thing in the near future because I go over a lot of logs and branches, so I want to build the skeg at a better angle to help slide over things. Right now it's at a really sharp angle and can smack things pretty hard.
Hey man thanks for this video, I had been thinking of buying a twister for my grumman sportboat and your video sold me on it. Do you remember what size and thread the trim bolt on the 7hp kit was? Id like to run to the hardware store before my kit shows up. I appreciate the info on the twister motors, thanks for taking the time to make these videos!
Unfortunately I don't remember off the top off my head. I remember it being a metric thread and I think I needed to go to Fasenal to get one because I couldn't find one at Lowe's. I want to say it was M14, but I don't want to steer you wrong.
@@playinlikejimi Gotcha, thanks man!
@@HORUSCOOKS I've always liked those Sportboats. Rarely come across them, that's going to be an awesome combo. I used to have mine on a Gheenoe knockoff and it was a fun boat, but the fiberglass was taking too much of a beating and after getting tired of working with glass and resin I finally went to aluminum. The sportboat seems like the best of both worlds.
@@playinlikejimi yeah man they are super hard to find, especially down here in Florida. I ended up finding one made in 1960 for a steal after looking for almost a year. I pretty much went the same route as you with the gheenoe- I was running the cheap mudskipper longtail kit on a indian river otter 12' flat back canoe. It was a cool combo but the transom definitely wasn't happy. I feel like the sport boat and the twister will be great for running the saint John's river backwater where I live 👍👍
@@HORUSCOOKS I'm in Georgia between Brunswick and Savannah. Email me at GunnersHide@gmail.com if you want to test drive some different kits or buy one already built and water ready.
where did you get the prop adapter kit? I just ordered this kit and want to set it up right. thank you
I got it from their website. It should be listed under the twister sections, but you can also search for it.
Would like to see a video of you working on your engines
I'll try to get some up. I mostly stick to stuff someone can learn from, but I feel like there's already so much info on these motors.
When I get the time I'll do one on my remote fuel tank setup. I've had plenty of questions on that.
Thats true also I believe people would be interested to see how u do things and the way you clean and repair it
@@ShaneLehoux I'm hoping someday soon I can have more time to make videos.
What is the motor adapter you have on the back of your board to make your mud motor up higher
It's a Jackplate I built. I have a few more in stock if you're interested. Email me at gunnershide@gmail.com and I'll get you my contact info.
I have the twister lite and want to put a 2-blade prop on it. Has anyone done this? It’s just a 11mm shaft with a pin. Any help would be appreciated.
Ever get this figured out?
Do you feel like once dialed in, you prefer the twister over the long-tail setup ?
Absolutely. They each have their pro's and con's, but I for the most part, I prefer the twister. For portability I might choose a longtail. Like if I have to drag the boat over land, it's easier to remove and carry in sections. Or if log crossings are my main concern, a longtail would be better. But for a most everything else I'd choose a twister.
Although I can't speak for any of the higher end American Longtails. Just compared to what I know, which are the import ones.
Can you easily secure it with prop out of water say to float down stream?
The 420cc is heavier on the engine side so it naturally sits with the prop out, and you can easily make a little loop with string to hold the 212 out of the water, but you also shouldn't have much of an issue drifting with it in the water if the motor is off.
Mud-skipper is out of the propeller adapter kits for Twister 8-23 hp. Do you sell the modified aluminum props that can be installed as is?
I can make some modified props. Shoot me an email at gunnershide@gmail.com and we can discuss the details.
@@playinlikejimi are you still making the props?
What kind of jack plate do you have on the transom????
It's an adjustable Jackplate I make with 4" of travel. I have a few more in stock, shoot me an email at gunnershide@gmail.com and I can pass you my contact info if you're interested.
Does the jack plate help any speed wise?
I haven't noticed a difference in speed. I built it because the shaft would hit the boat sides when trying to spin it around and I got tired of having to unscrew the motor and lift it off the transom mount to spin it. I also needed it to run surface drive motors, they were hanging too low and I had a lot of transom splash.
What size is the trim bolt? I need to buy a longer one for mine
I don't recall, but you can just bring it with you to the hardware store. Use the nut that comes with it to make sure you have the right size.
@@playinlikejimi I figured it out it a M12
a year old but at 12:47 the top of the page say 212 but you say 420cc. what motor did you use to get the 21mph with the 8" prop?
All those numbers are for the 420cc. The part that says 212cc was just for my thread count to make it level when I swap motors.
So the 21mph with 8" is with a 420cc.
@@playinlikejimi awesome thanx for clearing that up!
Have a twister xl on a 459 stage 1. Its running pretty good but it seems to need an excess of weight in the back to prevent the front from plowing. Running prop about half in water while on plane. Any ideas?
I'm not sure, what size boat? I've only had the opposite where I needed to put more weight up front to balance it better.
@playinlikejimi it's a 1436. Did you shim your motor mounting bracket to be flat if your transom is angled?
I’m having the same issue man ! Same exact set up too!! When I run by my self it runs stupid fast about 24 with 2 and fishing gear and trolling motor like 16 max
@352fishing4 I'm getting about 20 mph with 2 people and gear but we both need to be on back seat. One on front speed drops to 16 because it plows. Solo speeds aren't great around 17 because I need more weight in the back to prevent it from plowing. Usually fishing with a friend though. It has to be either the trim or a hook in the hull
So by adding weight to back you are trimming the bow up, if your prop height is ok, but your bow is heavy, then you need to lower your motor and raise the trim up to the right height again which will give your prop more up angle (or less down angle) Depending on how big your boat is, you may just need more weight in the back as a twister setup isnt very heavy relative to an outboard.
What is the size and type of the jon boat here?
The intro clip is a 1236 with a 420cc, the clips about a minute in are a 1436 with a 212cc (except the last one which is just the intro again). The rest of the video with the explanation is the 1236 with a 212cc.
What size is the trim bolt
M12
Is it harder to turn or is it still the same
I'm not sure what you mean, as opposed to having the cavitation plate? Either way, it handles better with the 2 blade props.
@@playinlikejimi yes with the cavitation plate I what I meant I forgot to say that. I have it right now and it’s kinda heavy when I turn
@@onquackoutdoors9475 The cav plate acts like a wing under the water, tons of drag. Getting rid of it was always a goal of mine but the cavitation made it an issue. going to employ the tips in this video for sure.
Can we get a how to dial a surface drive video 😂
With gas prices the way they are I can't just be taking the boats out willy-nilly lol. Exact same method though, but I'll try to make one. I have a 22hp surface drive for my 16' and I'll get it mounted as soon as I get my fuel system finalized.
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