New Ventrac Flail Mower - Front Tractor Flail
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The new Ventrac Fine Cut and Fast Cut Flail Mowers are in a class of their own. With the out-front mounted design unique to Ventrac, these mower decks offer the ability to turn tall or dense areas into a quality finish cut for fast and efficient property management. Flail mowers are a perfect choice for any overgrown area with a variety of different types of vegetation. Add Ventrac’s capabilities to mow difficult areas such as slopes, wet areas, or retention basins, and these mowers will step up your game when it comes to maintaining any property.
Various markets will find the Ventrac Flail mowers a labor-saving tool for areas that do not always require weekly mowing. For golf courses, the Ventrac flail mowers are perfect for native areas, designated wildflower zones, walking paths, and more. The Ventrac Flail mowers are ideal for municipalities, landscape contractors, estate managers, and tree growers.
The two available models, Fine Cut and Fast Cut, feature unique knife options and offer two width options for more versatility of cut, speed, and application. Cutting widths for the decks are 56” and 72” wide and offer the most versatility for specific property needs.
The Fine Cut Flail (MW560/MW720) is equipped with scoop knives, and it will achieve a quality cut with a more finished look on grassy material that gets mowed 3 to 8 times per year.
The Fast Cut Flail (MY560/MY720) features Y knives, and it is for a dense or brush- type material application. The Fast Cut is a good choice for areas of overgrown brush and vines that do not require regular mowing, but you still want a better finish result than a typical rotary rough-cut mower.
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I am definitely buying this deck for my 4500z. I have two Ventracs and they are by far the best all around tractors I have ever had. I have 100 acres of land and my Ventracs get it done. I would recommend a Ventrac to anyone that needs a versatile piece of equipment.
We have rifle ranges and forest trails to maintain. Our current solution keep breaking. After 3 years of nonsense, I am considering one of these.
What has been you maintenance schedule? Does your dealer have to wait long for parts?
This is going to be another great attachment to the Ventrac lineup. I love how they just keep coming out with new attachments. Another reason why I got a Ventrac.
Brush and undergrowth everywhere are shaking in their boots! :D Those flail mowers are the way to go for rural areas like mine.
Heck yahh your right brad!!!😄
I got the chance to play with this deck for a few minutes and can say that it is really well built, no thin sheet metal here and I believe it will outperform many other machines. Looking at getting a unit for next year's mowing contracts.
I never knew that a flail mower could stripe. That's impressive ventrac
Can’t wait till the local dealer has one to demo in KC.
Please send this to Tractor Time with Tim!!!
We certainly will! It's a bit late in the season now but keep an eye out for spring-time.
Well done - about time. Have used a front flail on Kubota F series with amazing results. Glad it is part of the Ventrac stable now.
It's good to see continued product development! I was a bit afraid of the direction you might turn after the Toro takeover, but it seems they are letting you do what you do so well.
Full steam ahead!
Time will tell, if Toro values long term quality or short term profits.
Premium quality, and Best value and Ventrac will continue to be a great company; yeilding Premium profits.
Looking forward to the simple start video on this mower
Finally - thanks Ventrac! Looking forward to trying it.
This is by far the coolest and my favorite attachment!!! Those stripes are amazing! Great job guys!
Dang Ventrac continues to bring it! Great job.
I thought flailing was what Bernie Sanders does when he speaks. Thanks for the explanation of Flail. The result of the mowing still leaves stems and stalks behind. So, typically, would there be basically one to three more passes to make it look real good? You say two feet high. There are properties here in rural Florida that I have seen as high as eight feet. Crazy. The property across from me had lots of high brush and one inch stalked trees. The clearance guy came in with a big old tractor and created gullies everywhere. What a mess. This was a five acre lot. After clearing everything and burning he had to use the eight ft rake to smooth out the land befor reseeding. But even then the land was rough. The owners are bringing in show horses. I get concerned about them tripping up in the ditches. When I did golf courses in the early seventies, we used heavy mechanized rollers to completely smooth things out. We had a lot of equipment for building these golf courses. That was Connecticut where the soil is much different feom Florida. Our soil is very soft in some areas. In fact, shamefully, a motorhome I own was set on dirt and not concrete pads and now it is sunk one foot into the soil. I need a heavy duty tow truck to fix this. Point being, soil and clay and stone and trees give us challenges that I think the Ventrac line can pretty much take care of with somewhat minimal damage. Thanks for the intro!
I unfortunately had to sell my ventrac because I couldn't remain profitable enough with just the tough cut deck and couldn't get the money up for the power rake but soon as I can get my money right I'm gonna have my ventrac buisness back up and running and hopefully can add this to the fleet. I was averaging about $100 per hr with the tough cut deck and averaging 2 to 4 hour jobs at about 3 jobs a month with just a little bit of FB advertising but needed the power rake to be more versatile
So glad to see this added to the lineup.
You have no idea how much I wanted you to come out with this. This will be part of my first purchase. Now, please consider offering black as a tractor color option. 😁
Well.... 😳😍🇺🇸
👍 We thought for Thanksgiving this year we would drop one of the coolest mowers ever. Will hook you up soon. 😉
@@ventrac ❤️🇺🇸👈🏻
Need one in New Zealand send one to me
I wish I bought this deck. I got the 72” finish and it’s great but after 8 month on our new property this would have been ideal for our needs.
Most people don't understand how important it is to have a hands off deck tilt for servicing and cleaning.
Not just because of ease but also of safety , no lifting bending or knee injury.
Just raise it am sit on a stool to work on cutter replacement.
This is unbelievable @Ventrac!!! I would like to try one of these on our hay fields. Could really be great at putting organic material back into the soil in the spring and fall.
Yes, living soil.
Would work great for mowing waterways!
Which one do you think you would use Joe? The Y knives?
@@jasonbarber8107 I would probably go with the flat/hammer knives. 😁👍🏼. What are you thinking?
@@JoeTheFarmer Im torn. Supposed to get to demo the fine cut model soon. But I have about 10-15 acres I plan to mow but really don’t want to mow it more than maybe 6-8 times per year. I’m wondering if the grass gets too thick if the fine cut will get it done.
Can’t wait to get mine! 25 acres an lots to mow
Hmmm... I'm thinking it over. If I get one of these, I can more heartily say to my tough-job customers: "That's why they call us 'Mow Beta!'
Wow! I like it! I want to see the finecut do some mowing.
Stay tuned! ...more videos incoming in the near future!
I see you aaron with the grip 6 belt with the custom ventrac logo you cant fool me
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I like it! And I totally want to mow that hill!
In europe we have front pto on compact tractors our flails are pto driven the belts went out in the 80s
@@aj12271 its a old design mate
@@aj12271 yes there is we have diesel tractors like them here in europe with front and rear pto
Alright! That would be so handy
I’ve been waiting for this
Nice...
1) maintainence vs tough cut?
2) cost vs tough cut?
On any flail, you’re going to have a ton of knives to replace. Flails are better suited to hitting obstacles and surviving
Maintenance is tricky. When you finally do wear out an entire set of knives, it will be a little bit more expensive to replace a whole set over blades on a tough cut. The nice thing is, if you hit something hard - it's likely that you'll just take out a knife or two and then it's much cheaper to repair than if you would have hit the same thing with the tough cut and taken out a blade or potentially even a spindle too. So, it's a bit of both.... probably cheaper most of the time and then a little more at full replacement intervals. Initial purchase price is significantly more on the flail as it's a much more complex attachment.
You typically don't wear out the whole set at once, plus the Y knives I believe can be turned around as they are sharpened on both edges. I have not seen the Y knives up close, but I used to turn mine, do a quick touchup on spares so they were ready to put on as needed.
@@bradleyschneider2220 That is correct.... the Y knives do have a cutting edge on both sides and can be flipped around.
At 2:14 you say, "In terms of Ventrac attachments, our TOUGH CUT will be better at woody, "stemmy "material and high volume material where you're trying to go a lot FASTER. The flail mower will do almost as much of that, but it will look a lot nicer when you're done. The only penalty you pay to the TOUGH CUT is that you have to go a little bit SLOWER."
So my question would be- Which is it? Do you have to go slower with the Tough Cut or slower with the Flail Mower? It seems like you may have meant, "The only penalty you pay to the FLAIL MOWER is that you have to go a little bit slower."
Give stony ridge farmer one so I can see him use it.
You mentioned that you will be offering two 56" mowers, one with Y type cutters and one with hammer cutters. If you bought the mower with the Y type cutters, can you just swap out the cutter heads to the hammer type? Also, typical flail movers with hammer type heads will cut woody material up to approx. 2 in. Will yours do this also?
If you swap the entire rotor, yes. These knives are much lighter than cast hammer-type knives so 2" material is beyond where we are rating it for continuous use. Between the two models, the Y knives are actually better suited for thicker woody material.... there's more mass to them and they dice up heavy material better.
@@ventrac Is there going to be a offset version? Would buy one!
Bring back the post hole digger!
Or add skid steer quick attach to front end loader
Finally!!! Might actually pull the trigger on one of these now.
Any chance of a flail on the smaller rear engine ventracs?
This is designed more for knocking down tall grass quickly and cleanly and not for chopping up branches?
Would this be effective in a commercial orchard where cuttings are lined up to be chopped up by flails?
So excited for this!
I think depending on how thick the cuttings are you could do just that. I used to run a rear mount unit on a sub compact tractor and mowed over a lot of trimmings along trails the result was a mulch that went back into the soil. I would get the Y knives to do that type mowing.
It should do well in that setting as long as the branches aren't too big. Make sure you go for the Fast Cut model with the Y knives for this application.
Would love to see Ventrac come out with a 6” or larger wood chipper.
Awesome attachment! But my understanding is that flail mowers can only go in one direction, forward. Is that the the case with these new ones?
Kind of, but it's really no more the case with the flail than any of our mowing decks. They are all designed to cut moving forward. While backing up, they still cut, but not quite as well. That has less to do with the actual cutting style and more to do with the deck shell. It would be an interesting test to cut exclusively in reverse with this deck and see what happens. Theory would suggest it would do better than the tough cut because the tough cut is rear discharge with very little mulching. If the flail was run backwards (forcing it to have a harder time discharging) it would just keep the material in the drum longer and keep mulching. Any way, interesting question - probably not a difference enough from any other deck to make or break the operation of it....and in some cases, maybe better.
At 0:19 seconds in for example, I see stocks of some of the tougher weeds left behind after your flail mower runs over that area. I know why this is happening, but I can't help but think if your engineers put there heads together they could figure out a way to make sure those are cut off also.
Leaving some stalky material may be a result of which knives are on that particular mower and the height. I mowed some tall tough grasses with the duck foot blades and at 4" it cut everything perfectly, but at 5" it left some stems sticking up. This deck will require some expertise that you will acquire over time. I have run small flails and the same thing happened to me, but once I got a setting that worked it ran fine. For example I would back into a tall, over 6', wild blackberries and the flail would cut most, but then as I drove forward all that was left was mulch. This unit will be slightly different being front mounted, but the cut that can be achieved will exceed anything a bush hog will produce. This is my opinion, but I think I'm pretty close.
@@bradleyschneider2220 Could it be that the front of the unit is pushing the weeds over and laying them down before they get to the cutter head? This is why I wanted the Ventrac engineers to solve this problem. If they could solve this problem so that it doesn't need to be run over twice to get acceptable results... then they would really have something. It should cut everything cleanly no mater what height you select.
take my money now!
That looks so fun to use. Wow
Very nice😎👍
Someday....... I'll buy one. :)
Looks awesome. Awesome equipment!
Is the power bucket sturdy enough to put clamp-on pallet forks on?
I want to be able to drive up to saplings and small trees and cut them off even easier than I do with the Tough Cut. Will the deck flip up enough while running to do this?
No, because you have to get off the machine and remove the stop-pin to be able to flip it up.
@@ventrac Just don’t put in the pins, we need to mow the bottom of or steep hil, so don’t put the pins in, raise the deck, drive up, and put it in float.
Awesome
The fine cut 72 inch causes my 4500P ventrac to overheat within 30 mins even if not going too fast, or up steep hills. The coolant is full and there is no build up of seeds or dead grass over the grate in front. Possibly the 56 inch will not cause this overheating? Or a fast cut vs fine cut? If it were not for the overheating, everything else about my flail is awesome, but this is a bit of a deal breaker.
Why is this not on your website yet?
Would be great for conditioning hay fields...how many acres/hour can it cut?
There's really no way to determine that since every grass scenario will be drastically different.
Have kiwifruit pruning a to mulch will this do the job
I would have bought a Ventrac if they had this previously. Now I already have a flail mower for my little John Deere so it’s not on the agenda anymore.
Can the flail mower decks work in a solar farm and go under the panels? I saw the video of the tough cut doing it. I'm wondering if the flail can do it also and turn as sharp as the tough cut deck?
About time good job
The flat proof front casters sound Great! Are they available for the 72” finish deck rotary?
Are the flat knives and Y knives interchangeable? Basically, if you bought a fast cut and decided you wanted a fine cut, or vice versa, is it a case of just swapping the knives, or are there other bigger differences between the decks?
The deck shells are the same but the rotors are balanced to the knife style that is ordered. We've seen some people be successful swapping knives only, but we don't recommend it due to possible extra vibration. We would recommend to just swap in a whole rotor in order to use the other style.... this would also be a lot faster too.
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Very nice that happens when you hit a stump but love them can I buy direct from you all
Unfortunately we do not sell directly but rather through dealers. Here is the link to find the dealer nearest you! www.ventrac.com/dealers
What is the difference in the fast cut, and finish cut flail?( I know the blades), what is the cut difference, can u make a video that will show the differece??
What if you hit something solid like a rock or root?
I have a 2004 4100...does the 72 inch work with 23 hp or do I go with the smaller deck? My Dad has a 2020 4500Y so that will handle it. We have a 14ft deere flail mower for behind 80hp...the faster you cut...the more it lays down the grass vs actually cutting it. 3 days later it stands back up.
Surprised this doesnt come on the boom attachment
When will they be available?
Spring of '21
I’m going to have to cut some rocky terrain. Will this damage the rough cut deck?
About bloody time , but I bet the price is a killer
Will it attach to a Steiner? I love a flail.
It should but may require a different belt and would also need to test clearance to the front of the grill if using the hydraulic flip-up option.
@@ventrac A turf company in town just received their V dealership last fall. Their V contact is telling them that the flail attachment won’t work on a Steiner. Just FYI.
What is the weight compared to the tiff cut?
Awesome. How does it compare to the finish mower on a lawn? No one ever shows this only flail mowers in tall grass. Could this replace a finish mower completely?
The fine cut flail does really well on finish turf like a normal lawn. Overall, you'll notice a little worse cut quality than a rotary deck if you're cutting small amounts of grass off, but for some people it's acceptable. It depends on your threshold for what kind of cut quality that you want. If you're cutting in wet or overgrown lawns, the flail will actually be a lot BETTER than the finish mower.
@@ventrac thanks.
can you still obtain 30 deg slopes?
Yes!
Which way does the flail spin?
When looking at the flail mower from the left side. The drum will spin clockwise.
So is a fine cut flail giving the same performance as a finish cut deck?
In normal turf grass, a finish mower will leave a better, more consistent cut quality than the fine cut flail. In deep overgrown grass, the flail will leave a better cut quality and dispersion of clippings.
@@ventrac ok excellent. I wasn’t sure if having both attachments would be required.
Hi ventrac, can the flail tackle 4-5 foot high field grass reliably?
absolutely!
@@ventrac Hello How do I buy one? I have a farm of alfalfa and grass. Do you harvest this type of fodder? Is it possible to contact with you?
Do you have this flailmower for 3200 series?
Sorry, we do not.
How about some real overgrown areas to use the flail mower 🇦🇺
As tempting as this is, at the point we’re at if It wasn’t for the max spec broom and the grapple scoop/3 way and trailer jockey kit with maybe a 72” dozer blade I’d be losing money. Go go go go VENTRAC 🙃🙂🙃🙂🙃
My best flail mounts to a 5.5 metric ton track hoe. That’d be ol’ reliable
About the all black limited addition tractor preorder ...... low serial number builds by ventrac best skilled seasoned engineers metallurgists and 5 star fab guys 🤔 so not any different than the tractor I have now,
Only black with led’s 👈🏻says this very satisfied and proud Ventrac owner
How much Ventrac?
Can you swap out the knives for different applications?
It would require changing the whole cutting drum but if you do that, then yes.
Thank you. Are the knives easy to replace?
Weighing the option of this versus tough cut. Have a nice pasture in front that is tall grass that I like the idea of using this for but unsure of performance in tall grass and also unsure of maintenance cost and hassle differences between them. I have a brush cutter that I can use for woody material already.
@@jasonbarber8107 Yes, it's pretty easy to replace the knives. Each one is held on by a standard bolt/nut. Since the deck flips forward on the tractor, access is actually very easy. If you damage one knife it should only take a minute or two to swap a new one in once you have the deck flipped up and ready. If you're only using it for tall pasture grass, go for the Y knives and the finish will still be really good. If you want to use it also on shorter finish grass, go for the scoop knives and even those will work on the pasture - they'll just require a little slower travel speed.
@@ventrac so would you think I could use this as my main finish mower and cut my Bermuda grass as well or better than the typical finish mower?
@@jasonbarber8107 It depends what your expectations are and what cut height you're used to cutting at. Definitely grab a demo to be sure.
need to make a reel mower
they do- 96" contour mower
You're in luck! www.ventrac.com/products/attachments/mr740
But it three small reel mowers not just one big reel I love reel mowers but you guys not done video to show them off yet ??
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'Bout time
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Stop. Hammer time.
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Yazoo was front deck,, before front deck was cool.
I’m still waiting for a generic Ventrac that I can afford ...