Battery Backup - Famicom Disk System Games on the NES | @FamicomDojo

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  • We explore Nintendo’s many attempts to release Famicom Disk System games on cartridges, the NES design changes that lead to loss of features in popular games like The Legend of Zelda, and which solution finally worked the best. (Hint: it’s cartridge batteries.)
    Despite never being released outside of Japan, the Famicom Disk System influenced Nintendo's game publishing philosophy for decades to come. While the benefits of inexpensive rewriteability and saving game progress appealed to consumers, it made pirating extremely easy - which unfortunately also appealed to consumers.
    Prior to this, the Famicom Data Recorder was used to store and load just game save data, but while it was based on the standard consumer technology of audio cassettes, was difficult to use, and required Nintendo’s propriety keyboard attachment as as pass-through device. As a result, only a small handful of games were compatible with the technology.
    Cartridge battery backup saves had been available for years, but were too expensive for Nintendo’s early-‘80s price points. It wasn’t until later in the decade when costs started to come down that Nintendo pivoted away from these cheaper alternatives.
    Unfortunately, switching to a cartridge-only approach caused expensive problems of another sort. The Nintendo Entertainment System was designed from the get-go with sound expansion and game save features in mind, but those add-ons ever came. To make matters worse, the on-cartridge wavetable synthesis sound expansion feature of the Famicom (incorrectly identified in the video as FM synthesis) were completely inaccessible on the NES; even if a developer wanted to include sound expansion chips on every RAM cartridge to replace the common features of the Famicom Disk System RAM cartridge, it was impossible to do so.
    Nintendo had no choice but to reprogram their games, a lesson that companies like Konami learned when making the cartridge only version of Castlevania that replaced both the music and the game save option for password codes. While the Game Boy’s Metroid II might have been the first in the series to feature save progress for Americans, Japanese gamers had experienced such luxuries since the original. (Of course, this meant tricks like the JUSTIN BAILEY code we’re not possible on the Famicom Disk System version.)
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Komentáře • 220

  • @KaienSander10Official
    @KaienSander10Official Před 8 lety +9

    You blew on the catridge! :O

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 17 lety +5

    "HEY! Somebody's in here, you PERV."

  • @Octolicia
    @Octolicia Před 8 lety +13

    4:19 : Oh man this is so embarassing. Awwwwwww.

  • @shorty1k
    @shorty1k Před 17 lety +1

    Oh man, I thought there was NEVER going to be a new one! I loved it (I swear I watched the first one about 20 times). Your vids have inspired me to grab a famicom off of Vinnk's store, it's been shipping for about a week now, I am stoked.

  • @TheRealFakeShemp
    @TheRealFakeShemp Před 13 lety

    Queen "A Night at the Opera" cassette insert. Awesome!

  • @BurningRangers
    @BurningRangers Před 17 lety +1

    Kevin humping that Neo Geo box is classic! Hopefully the boys at Rising Stuff will send me my FDS soon. The AV Famicom I bought is getting pretty lonely...

  • @pandnh4
    @pandnh4 Před 15 lety

    I know it was your hand that was making the nintendo's mouth move. I could even make out the shadow of it.....still, i really, honestly felt for him.
    Good info man, thanks for the post.

  • @Henjo29
    @Henjo29 Před 9 lety +1

    My early days of saving was the pause button. I'd play in the morning before elementary school, and come back to a piping-hot Nintendo game.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 12 lety

    I think it had something to do with wanting it not to look so much like a video game system, and also because they were trying to get a bunch of the peripherals (like the keyboard, etc) to form this sort of modular platform. But you can see they changed their minds after CES 1984. We should REALLY cover that version of the system if we can. Love to see it in person if we could.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 14 lety

    Yes there were. Even Zelda came out as a battery backup Famicom cart in 1994, right as the Famicom was going out of production.
    Actually, that's a pretty fascinating topic. I think you just volunteered for a Denshimail! ;)
    (Might not come until the end of the season, though, when the Famicom becomes topical again.)

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 15 lety

    Wow, you're not kidding!
    It looks like the annotations are messing up the video -- there's one starting at exactly 4:07. I fear this means I may have to remove/recreate them (I wish you could export/import that stuff!).
    For the time being, check out the link in the video description to watch the GameTrailers or podcast versions. I'll try to fix the CZcams one (if I can).
    Thanks for pointing it out!

  • @88Supersonic88
    @88Supersonic88 Před 14 lety +1

    That dude at the end was totally like me when I got my Neo Geo.... but mine wasn't boxed...

  • @Rogueofmv
    @Rogueofmv Před 14 lety

    Metroid was the first FDS disk I purchased... (a week ago, in fact)
    I used Kill Mode to nuke all the saved games immediately, but oh man, it felt good to hold someone else's childhood memories on a floppy disk for that split second...

  • @KirbyPhelpsPK
    @KirbyPhelpsPK Před 14 lety

    0:40
    MOTHER, awesome catch! :D

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 16 lety

    I haven't tried it, but theoretically the RAM Cartridge for the Disk System could be passed through the an adapter (which I will show in the new episode), and operate that way. HOWEVER, the sound expansion portion would not work -- something I also demonstrate in the new video.

  • @HyruleanHero1988
    @HyruleanHero1988 Před 17 lety

    I have that shirt!
    Anyway, another great one. I'm one of the only people I know that owns a famicom disk system around here. I can't figure out how to get my famicom hooked up to american TV, so I hacked the disk system to work through the Top loading NES. Long live the disk system!

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 12 lety

    Yup, and it's something we take on directly in the next episode.
    But if you want to see more Zach Braff, I just sent you a link.

  • @keithcarlson7267
    @keithcarlson7267 Před 4 lety +2

    0:09 The evil taunt. 😞😢

  • @AdmirialMav
    @AdmirialMav Před 8 lety +5

    Sean did anyone ever tell you you sound a bit like Mike Meyers?

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 11 lety

    There is so, so much more, both on this channel and the FamicomDojo channel! :)

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 12 lety

    The video we originally linked back in 2007 that shows all of the differences between the two versions has since been taken down. We should just do our own.

  • @SnoFlake
    @SnoFlake Před 15 lety

    Thanks for correcting me i had entirly foregot about the game cube.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 14 lety

    They're for sale at Rising Stuff! Although I think they only have Twin Famicoms at the moment.

  • @thepthepthep
    @thepthepthep Před 17 lety

    It's actually quite easy to use a Famicom on an American TV. Just change the channel to 95 or 96. You can even use an NES switchbox with it.
    BTW, you won't get the additional sound channel from the FDS with the top-loader.

  • @theotherexile6842
    @theotherexile6842 Před 10 lety +1

    okay, the first thing i noticed in this episode is that he had a cartage of mother (earthbound zero)

  • @skyrunner14
    @skyrunner14 Před 16 lety +1

    I can't wait to get my Famicom! It'll be in the mail in a few days! Dosen't come with games though... :-(

  • @Comp1337-Ctrl
    @Comp1337-Ctrl Před 17 lety +1

    Thanks for the Nintendo history.

  • @shorty1k
    @shorty1k Před 17 lety

    Holy crap you are good luck! MY FAMICOM IS HERE!

  • @NOOBNUT08
    @NOOBNUT08 Před 16 lety

    also the way you save your tracks in mach rider on the nes is the same way on the famicom through audio cassette you can here it when you go to save your track just turn up the volume and listend closely. fyi Zelda 64 uses batter backup to save game data.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 15 lety

    That's a fantastic Denshimail question.

  • @pikachuisverycute07
    @pikachuisverycute07 Před 12 lety

    Anyone notice that he is holding up mother 1 at 0:40 ? He NEEDS to do a vid on that, its such a good game its impossible not to

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 16 lety

    I'm getting this question a lot. I think I'm going to have to answer in a new episode!

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 17 lety

    Specifically why? I don't know. Generally, you are able to overwrite disks (as I mention in the video), so some kid got bored and overwrote it at one of the stations in Japan where you could do that sort of thing.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 12 lety

    Some day we should do a Denshimail on how to replace those. It takes some special tools and some solder, and you'd lose all your save data... although if the battery is dead the save data is gone anyway! :/

  • @Caztro72
    @Caztro72 Před 14 lety

    The Famicom Disk System may not have sold well in the US anyway. Add ons usually never fare well here (32X, etc.). Battery back up is great! But for collectors it's a bit of a pain because when the battery expires ... well there goes your game save abilities. I actually prefer the password system because of this!

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 17 lety

    No idea either, but I got the last laugh -- 20 years later I found legitimate copies of both Zelda AND Castlevania on disk!

  • @ExtraDB
    @ExtraDB Před 16 lety

    @ 5:03, your looking at your watch, but you didn't wear one!! Muahaha!
    Cheers

  • @c0ldb33r
    @c0ldb33r Před 14 lety

    Interesting and well thought out. Great video.

  • @TheRealFakeShemp
    @TheRealFakeShemp Před 12 lety

    @denBlackie Glad someone else noticed too! I am a bigtime Queen fan.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 16 lety

    The keyboard was for the version of BASIC that came with a program that let you actually write code for the Famicom. I HAVE ONE. I must do a video about it. Actually, I think Vinnk wanted to.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 14 lety

    @TheSolidSnake12 Asked and answered in Episode 3: Nintendo Has Moxie -- which you should totally watch, because it's totally awesome. In fact, so are all the other Famicom Dojo videos. ;)

  • @chrizecat
    @chrizecat Před 9 lety +4

    wait couldn,t you add the chip to the cart?

  • @camarocomputer
    @camarocomputer Před 12 lety

    ive been bloin in my nes games since 91,they all still work

  • @Clancydaenlightened
    @Clancydaenlightened Před rokem +1

    6:10 technically you could put a chip on duh cart, you just need a pcb dongle plugged in duh expansion port so u can actually hear duh sound

    • @SeanOrange
      @SeanOrange  Před 11 měsíci

      True! That’s a lot of work and inaccessible to most people. Even the ENIO cards aren’t easy to find anymore.

  • @orz4567891
    @orz4567891 Před 12 lety

    I was thinking that would make a good idea for a series of videos. Reviewing the Japanese games that are radically different than their us counterparts.

  • @KaienSander10Official
    @KaienSander10Official Před 8 lety +8

    7:19 me on my birthday

  • @landmind666
    @landmind666 Před 7 lety +2

    i wonder if any modding hacker ever tried making a disk system that plugs into the nes expansion slot

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 15 lety

    Yup! I'm sure we'll get to that. Maybe season 3.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 11 lety

    Pretty much! And we all thought the Red Ring of Death was bad!

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 12 lety

    I'm sorry! I got that confused for another product. Yes, the card cleaner does clean disks. (Badly-named, but it does the trick! ;) )

  • @therealhardrock
    @therealhardrock Před 16 lety

    If you still don't know, "kill mode" is the erase mode for erasing saved games. Engrish.

  • @TheAwkSquad4490
    @TheAwkSquad4490 Před 10 lety +1

    0:57 A Night At The Opera!

    • @SeanOrange
      @SeanOrange  Před rokem

      My first introduction to Queen's music outside of the mad-popular stuff. Life-changing!

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 14 lety

    @GG2AwesomePancakes It's an '80s Zelda commercial. Kind of infamous.

  • @mrmimeisfunny
    @mrmimeisfunny Před 12 lety +1

    i actually prefer the famicom over the NES
    but i prefer the NES 2 over the famicom

  • @orz4567891
    @orz4567891 Před 12 lety

    The whole lack of Ganon laughing at the game over screen totally ruins the Japanese version of Zelda II for me.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 16 lety

    Incorrect. It is, I quote "a licensed Nintendo product".
    Mattel produced the Powet Glove, also very much licensed.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 16 lety

    It's exaggerated a bit. If you take out all the parts with me waiting for it, it takes about that long. I think I might have added a couple of seconds for effect.

  • @vacationboyvideos
    @vacationboyvideos Před 4 lety +1

    I got a question.....my Zelda 1 and 2 for original nes had a battery backup. They stayed "on" to keep the game saved (unlike Metroid that gave u this long codes) but now games I hear don't have batterys anymore. Just like a memory card for my camera...it saves info and does not need a Battery or electricty to keep the info saved.
    1. Why did not Nintendo do this?
    2. How does a Nintendo game cartridge save games now? ( Gameboy)

    • @SeanOrange
      @SeanOrange  Před 4 lety +1

      vacationboyvideos The technology to store fast RAM without a power source didn’t exist for consumer electronics in the 1980s, but once it did Nintendo started using it; I believe the DS was the first system, which was released in 2004, over 15 years after Nintendo started using battery backups instead of tapes and floppy disks.

    • @vacationboyvideos
      @vacationboyvideos Před 4 lety

      @@SeanOrange thank u

  • @homestar92
    @homestar92 Před 17 lety

    was that tape that you held up Queen's "A Night at the Opera"?

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 16 lety

    The NES has an expansion port, but it was never utilized. Nothing will work with it.
    The SNES has one, and there was an add-on made in Japan. But I'll get to that in due time!

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 14 lety

    It's a GREAT way to pass the time...

  • @therealhardrock
    @therealhardrock Před 15 lety

    In the differences video that you link to, some of the sounds a wrong because it's on one of those emulators that doesn't reproduce the sound right.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 15 lety

    That's not quite right. Nintendo stopped making the N64 because they released the GameCube (in 2001), but there were still some games that came out for a while after that.
    The N64 was cart-based more because of the failure to create the SNES CD-ROM add-on than anything else; Nintendo swore off the disc-based formats even though all of its other major competitors went that route in the same generation.

  • @SPS148669
    @SPS148669 Před 14 lety

    The sound of the guy yelling is from when you boot the gamecube when pressing start on all four controllers.

  • @OtakuKeko0016
    @OtakuKeko0016 Před 14 lety

    bwahaha! ouendan at 5:21.
    Wow this was all very interesting tho. :)

  • @UUPDirector
    @UUPDirector Před 10 lety

    That's Orange Hey, when are you guys going to go over the Data Recorder? I started wondering about that thing and how it was supposed to work, so yeah... when you gonna cover it?... or any other things?... Just wondering...

    • @TBustah
      @TBustah Před 9 lety

      I don't own one, but I imagine that it works like the cassette readers available for a number of home computers from the same period, like the Commodore 64.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_tape_data_storage

    • @eddievhfan1984
      @eddievhfan1984 Před 9 lety

      ***** They did cover it. Check out their Famicom Dojo-specific channel on YT.

  • @JerryTerrifying
    @JerryTerrifying Před 15 lety

    Wish I had a Famicom and a disk drive for it.

  • @JerryTerrifying
    @JerryTerrifying Před 15 lety

    LOL! I just might have to...I checked it out a while ago on there and they were priced better than anywhere else I'd seen them. But I have no idea how long it'll have to wait. As it stands it's low on the list since then I'd have to get more expensive import fami games.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 16 lety

    Isn't it, though? Man. I'm getting my hands on a copy of Akumajou Densetsu (Castlevania III) for the same reason.

  • @dk2853
    @dk2853 Před 16 lety

    Dude is that cartridge you're holding Mother for the Famicom? How do you get all these rare games/accessories?

  • @Kasumi0cada
    @Kasumi0cada Před 17 lety

    What's that sign on your bathroom door say? I can't make it out...
    Oh! And.... O.o Vinnk humping the box was just...... um.... o.O

  • @shadyalien
    @shadyalien Před 15 lety

    I really enjoy these videos.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 14 lety

    @Minority119 No need to wonder: check out our Microphone Roundup episode for the answer!

  • @Krisipoke
    @Krisipoke Před 15 lety

    the video freezes at about 4:07. and I want to see the second half.

  • @MrColuber
    @MrColuber Před 14 lety

    I mean no offense, but as an owner of a ZX Spectrum (it's stored somewhere) I feel that one should not whine over the loading time of the disk system.

  • @NOOBNUT08
    @NOOBNUT08 Před 16 lety

    Hey sean in the nes version of mach rider how do you save the custom tracks on a cassette deck cause when you go to save the track you can here it coming out of the speaker. If you listend closely and turn up the volume.

  • @mariotaz
    @mariotaz Před 17 lety

    Awesome vid man. Very funny, imteresting and well informative. Lol, no offence an' all, but you look like Zach Braff

  • @therealhardrock
    @therealhardrock Před 15 lety

    What's with the "hold reset as you turn the power off" thing?

  • @NOOBNUT08
    @NOOBNUT08 Před 16 lety

    what was that thing that was connected to the consol that had the data recorder pluged in it.

  • @HyruleanHero1988
    @HyruleanHero1988 Před 17 lety

    it seems like it. or there is the possibility that someone performed the "av out" mod on it then removed it.

  • @levelupmanisawsome
    @levelupmanisawsome Před 11 lety

    i got a famicom disk system yeah still waiting for my famicom to be shipped though

  • @katten838
    @katten838 Před 16 lety

    Holy shit!
    The Scrubs guy is rewiewing games!

  • @kid29500
    @kid29500 Před 11 lety

    There is no clock on your hand! 5:00

  • @denBlackie
    @denBlackie Před 14 lety

    QUEEN casette !!

  • @Zambaku
    @Zambaku Před 14 lety

    Thou shall not blow into thee cartridge! It corrodes the connectors =)

  • @NOOBNUT08
    @NOOBNUT08 Před 16 lety

    do you have any cassettes for it.
    Cause I'd like to here what the data sounds like on a cassette deck.

  • @storino03
    @storino03 Před 14 lety

    cool video. i have the famicom that has the detachable controllers. my first famicom shorted out when i was little (had the hard-wired controller ports) and we replaced it with the detachable controllers version.
    My question is, is there any compatible power supply i can use the power it? i don't have the transformer anymore, and even if i did, it's a 220v one. I would need 120v. any ideas?

  • @munizguitarra
    @munizguitarra Před 16 lety

    Can I Do A Tip? Continue how You Are Are Never Change!

  • @AustinKay
    @AustinKay Před 17 lety

    Now I really wanna get a famicom :P

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 16 lety

    More the latter, I think. The entire Japanese title of the game fit into the space where Zelda resides in the English version. They apparently decided to use "The Hyrule Fantasy" bit for "The Legend of" instead.
    English is so inefficient, space-wise.

  • @Jaminsongunner
    @Jaminsongunner Před měsícem

    Love how there’s a game informer in the trash

  • @EDEdDNEdDYFaN
    @EDEdDNEdDYFaN Před 17 lety

    HOLY SHIT J.D. IS THAT YOU

  • @OliverJD
    @OliverJD Před 10 lety

    I am yet waiting for an episode where they put a game into the European Version NES and it goes NOM

  • @NOOBNUT08
    @NOOBNUT08 Před 16 lety

    And if you do have the data recorder could you tell me what the color of the read/write head on the recorder cause if it's the color gold that means it's digital. And it should be able to read/write to a cassette faster.

  • @StickPeopleAndPuff
    @StickPeopleAndPuff Před 15 lety

    just got my family computer today!

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 14 lety

    My Famicom taught me. Hahaha.
    Not enough to read Japanese games without getting frustrated -- ESPECIALLY an RPG like Mother 3.

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 14 lety

    @MarkNESReviews Yep.

  • @it_beann
    @it_beann Před 14 lety

    @SeanOrange OMG! I DIDN'T EXPECT SUCH A FAMOUS PERSON SUCH AS YOU TO REPLY :D

  • @ON_Production_ON
    @ON_Production_ON Před 12 lety

    wait then what is the card cleaner good for if it dosent clean famicom disk?

  • @SeanOrange
    @SeanOrange  Před 15 lety

    Get them at RisingStuff! :O