They weren't trying to hide alphinaud to make people think that they were aging him up. But more so cause his reveal coincides with the reveal of the femhroth, and that character.
Honestly A lot of the age up theories made no sense at all to me. Why would alphinaud age up but not alisae, or anyone else? And what was with all the facial hair predictions? Japanese people tend to hate facial hair in general, let alone awkward teen facial hair.
@@normalmighty think people were expecting some level of aging up among the characters due to how much Derplander has significantly aged compared to his ARR baby face self.
@Vaeltis I get that as an idea, but I don't know why they thought Alphinaud, and only Alphinaud, would suddenly be a couple of years older while everyone else - including the actual in game player characters - hadn't aged a day. It'd be a really, really odd decision.
@@normalmighty I feel like people went just really nuts with the theorizing on this one. Sometimes the devs will not show a character........ just cause they don't show them, or as dude up there said, cause it coincides with the reveal of another character. No need to cook up crackpot theories on this... lol
I have the distinct feeling that the reason they hid Alphinaud is because they wanted people to notice the twins look taller in this trailer. Alphie is 2-3 ladder steps below the WoL, and at the same height that he usually is in game. That Alisaie "legs" scene is also new to the final version (the others show her from a high angle), and looks more like an adult elezen proportions.
The Scions did all have defined ARR classes (not jobs, back when that difference mattered). Minfilia was a Miner Y’Shtola was a Conjurer Yda was a Pugilist Papalymo was a Thamaturge The twins and Urianger (and Krile, although she didn’t formally join the Scions until later) were all Arcanists Thancred was actually a modified Gladiator at first, he used a one handed sword but no shield. Then in the ARR patch content he became the first to class change when he became a Rogue. Even Tataru was a Goldsmith (more specifically a lapidary) in lore, it’s how she and Minfilia first met. She would buy ore from Minfilia. Although that one was purely backstory and wasn’t reflected in-game. edit: I had forgotten, she did formally become a Miner in the ARR patch content, although that was shortly before Heavensward when she became an omni-crafter.
Was about to make this comment! Great minds and all ;) Fun fact: Urianger was an Arcanist even in 1.0 when it wasn't a playable class, which is why you sometimes see old pics with him having a weird mechanical staff thing on this back, as that was going to be their planned weapon at the time.
4:09 No. The boss you’re referring to from The Wanderer’s Palace(Hard) is Manxome Molaa Ja Ja. Though before changing it, it was Galool Ja Ja, that’s not the case anymore. The one in the trailer is Galool Ja Ja, the leader of Tural.
Scions' AAR personality: Along with all the reasons you guys brought up, in my brain it kinda worked (in a fuzzy memory way) in the feeling that your character was just an adventurer/employee (not yet THE Warrior of Light, one of several warriors of light a good number of which didn't survive I think). Until Praetorium, where the storylines from 1.0 players and 2.0 players finally sync up. A 1.0 player would've started 2.0 with only Minfilia remembering them because of the Light. So either you've earned the hero ending and survived and level up in everyone's opinion (heck with Alphinaud you start as him just seeing you as a tool) or everyone finally remembers who you are. So again my memory may just be justifying things, but it felt like the Scions' personalities/group dynamics are tied in with how much the WoL is part of/valued by the group. I hope I explained what I mean in a way that made sense, I've been up since 4 am.
Scions and jobs: Alphinaud- Sage Alisaie- Red Mage Uriange- Astrologian Ya'Shtola- Black Mage (Sorceress) Graha'Tia- Paladin, Black Mage, White Mage Krile- Pictomancer Lyse- Monk So... Ya'Shtola, Graha, and Lyse don't have expansion Jobs.
Just realized I forgot. Eistenien is technically a Scion. And he is Dragoon. So, another non expansion job. So pretty much it is almost 50/50 for scions with new jobs to scions wo.
When you do patch 6.55 quest, you'll learn a lot more is already being setup to what extent is unknown. But I'm sure it's moving towards raising the stakes as we move through Dawntrail.
the trailer version of wuk lamat's head is just a little too small compared to her shoulder width the in-game model for her and hrothgals is correctly proportioned
It says a lot about how much stress the WoL has gone through in their journey that from 2.0 to 7.0 is only around a year but Meteor here looks like they've aged 10 years from the 2.0 trailer to the 7.0 trailer
@@chris-5807 oh please, get over yourself. SE were never going to do that to the scions permanently, it was obvious. They would have seen through it instantly...
Are... you guys kidding? Endwalker is pointless because they know they didn't kill off all the Scions? They already knew that by the end of 5.0. To quote Garrett: "If they didn't have the balls to kill Thancred when they could have, the Scions are around forever."
@Panthy85 unsubbings a bit much dont you think? I mean yeah their reactions won't be like ours not knowing and left to guess but it'll still be good for certain parts. I'm just bummed that they'll be like, yeah they're fine cuz he's in the next expansion lol
Had to laugh about the "I feel represented" discussion. I am in my 60s and feel this sooo much. I didn't realize how much I subconsciously felt "unseen" until BG3 came out. It made me unexpectedly and disproportionately happy to make a character that looked fortysomething or fiftysomething.
3+ months late, but since you've finished Endwalker... I always felt they hid Alphinaud because in one of the trailers for Endwalker, there were potential red flags for Alphinaud being killed off. Thus keeping that bit hidden for still-ongoing players in Endwalker gives that sort of notion as if he's only in the cinematic for narration.
I'm happy for the people thrilled by how female hrothgar look, but the one in the trailer just looks like the Andre the Giant of loporitts, to me. I feel like they're a *little* better in-game, but that's a low bar barely hurdled.
Y'shtola is referred to a Sorceress, not a black mage. She functions like a black mage with a few white mage elemental attacks thrown in. She also doesn't possess a Black Mage job stone. SE basically did the same thing with Alphinaud when they made him Academician instead of Scholar (granted he used a carbuncle instead of fairies)
Nobody asks if the male Hrothgar is muzzley enough, it's just the female form that has to be "cute" enough or conform to female beauty standards. Couldn't be clearer to me.
I think it's more the opposite, actually. I've seen a lot of people worried that they would focus more on making them attractive at the cost of looking unique, a bit like female vs. male Roegadyn. That's why things like the female models having a bit less of a snout get so much scrutiny.
If male Hrothgar had no chin like the Hrothgal in the trailer, they absolutely would ask if they were muzzley enough. This is like asking if a fridge is rectangular enough. If it is, nobody asks. If it isn't, questions get raised. It has nothing to do with gender.
"If the muzzle is muzzlely enough."
You can get 10 furries in a room and you'll get 10 different responses on how furry the furry anatomy should be.
I'm pretty sure ten furries will give you thirteen different opinions.
Eh most of the furry servers I'm in are in agreement the muzzles on the fem hrothgar work.fine. They could've done far worse.
@@FinnFann I mean, at least it's no "Cats 2019" levels of bad
I can't believe our boys forgot Estinien when they were talking about cutscene elezen.
You know! Estinien! *He's the Azure Dragoon.*
Lightning and Thunder!!!
Im gonna miss Jocat
Hasn't he been upgraded from that for a few expansions now?
They weren't trying to hide alphinaud to make people think that they were aging him up. But more so cause his reveal coincides with the reveal of the femhroth, and that character.
Honestly A lot of the age up theories made no sense at all to me. Why would alphinaud age up but not alisae, or anyone else? And what was with all the facial hair predictions? Japanese people tend to hate facial hair in general, let alone awkward teen facial hair.
@@normalmighty think people were expecting some level of aging up among the characters due to how much Derplander has significantly aged compared to his ARR baby face self.
@Vaeltis I get that as an idea, but I don't know why they thought Alphinaud, and only Alphinaud, would suddenly be a couple of years older while everyone else - including the actual in game player characters - hadn't aged a day. It'd be a really, really odd decision.
@@normalmighty I feel like people went just really nuts with the theorizing on this one. Sometimes the devs will not show a character........ just cause they don't show them, or as dude up there said, cause it coincides with the reveal of another character. No need to cook up crackpot theories on this... lol
I have the distinct feeling that the reason they hid Alphinaud is because they wanted people to notice the twins look taller in this trailer. Alphie is 2-3 ladder steps below the WoL, and at the same height that he usually is in game.
That Alisaie "legs" scene is also new to the final version (the others show her from a high angle), and looks more like an adult elezen proportions.
nice copy pasta from preach.
Whats nice bout the trailer is that it shows our WoL showing their impressive literal strength. In clashing with the boss and almost pushing it back.
The Scions did all have defined ARR classes (not jobs, back when that difference mattered).
Minfilia was a Miner
Y’Shtola was a Conjurer
Yda was a Pugilist
Papalymo was a Thamaturge
The twins and Urianger (and Krile, although she didn’t formally join the Scions until later) were all Arcanists
Thancred was actually a modified Gladiator at first, he used a one handed sword but no shield. Then in the ARR patch content he became the first to class change when he became a Rogue.
Even Tataru was a Goldsmith (more specifically a lapidary) in lore, it’s how she and Minfilia first met. She would buy ore from Minfilia. Although that one was purely backstory and wasn’t reflected in-game. edit: I had forgotten, she did formally become a Miner in the ARR patch content, although that was shortly before Heavensward when she became an omni-crafter.
Was about to make this comment! Great minds and all ;) Fun fact: Urianger was an Arcanist even in 1.0 when it wasn't a playable class, which is why you sometimes see old pics with him having a weird mechanical staff thing on this back, as that was going to be their planned weapon at the time.
Tataru was an apprentice to one, so does that count?
4:09 No. The boss you’re referring to from The Wanderer’s Palace(Hard) is Manxome Molaa Ja Ja. Though before changing it, it was Galool Ja Ja, that’s not the case anymore. The one in the trailer is Galool Ja Ja, the leader of Tural.
That one unread notification on your YT keeps making me think I have an unread notification lmao
Scions' AAR personality: Along with all the reasons you guys brought up, in my brain it kinda worked (in a fuzzy memory way) in the feeling that your character was just an adventurer/employee (not yet THE Warrior of Light, one of several warriors of light a good number of which didn't survive I think). Until Praetorium, where the storylines from 1.0 players and 2.0 players finally sync up. A 1.0 player would've started 2.0 with only Minfilia remembering them because of the Light. So either you've earned the hero ending and survived and level up in everyone's opinion (heck with Alphinaud you start as him just seeing you as a tool) or everyone finally remembers who you are. So again my memory may just be justifying things, but it felt like the Scions' personalities/group dynamics are tied in with how much the WoL is part of/valued by the group.
I hope I explained what I mean in a way that made sense, I've been up since 4 am.
Scions and jobs:
Alphinaud- Sage
Alisaie- Red Mage
Uriange- Astrologian
Ya'Shtola- Black Mage (Sorceress)
Graha'Tia- Paladin, Black Mage, White Mage
Krile- Pictomancer
Lyse- Monk
So... Ya'Shtola, Graha, and Lyse don't have expansion Jobs.
Just realized I forgot. Eistenien is technically a Scion. And he is Dragoon. So, another non expansion job. So pretty much it is almost 50/50 for scions with new jobs to scions wo.
Breaking in the new studio by watching the trailer for the new world expansion.... now onward unto dawn!
When you do patch 6.55 quest, you'll learn a lot more is already being setup to what extent is unknown. But I'm sure it's moving towards raising the stakes as we move through Dawntrail.
eyyyy glad you got the new studio set up!
the trailer version of wuk lamat's head is just a little too small compared to her shoulder width
the in-game model for her and hrothgals is correctly proportioned
good morning all o/
It says a lot about how much stress the WoL has gone through in their journey that from 2.0 to 7.0 is only around a year but Meteor here looks like they've aged 10 years from the 2.0 trailer to the 7.0 trailer
Wait did they beat Endwalker and I missed it? I'm very confused.
Nope, they just wanted to see the trailer.
I believe they are still at the start of Elpis and are streaming the 25th?
@@chris-5807 oh please, get over yourself. SE were never going to do that to the scions permanently, it was obvious. They would have seen through it instantly...
Are... you guys kidding? Endwalker is pointless because they know they didn't kill off all the Scions? They already knew that by the end of 5.0. To quote Garrett: "If they didn't have the balls to kill Thancred when they could have, the Scions are around forever."
@Panthy85 unsubbings a bit much dont you think? I mean yeah their reactions won't be like ours not knowing and left to guess but it'll still be good for certain parts. I'm just bummed that they'll be like, yeah they're fine cuz he's in the next expansion lol
Had to laugh about the "I feel represented" discussion. I am in my 60s and feel this sooo much. I didn't realize how much I subconsciously felt "unseen" until BG3 came out. It made me unexpectedly and disproportionately happy to make a character that looked fortysomething or fiftysomething.
New Studio!
3+ months late, but since you've finished Endwalker... I always felt they hid Alphinaud because in one of the trailers for Endwalker, there were potential red flags for Alphinaud being killed off. Thus keeping that bit hidden for still-ongoing players in Endwalker gives that sort of notion as if he's only in the cinematic for narration.
the song good choice 🎶
this a spoiler since they never finished EW why are they watching it?
I'm happy for the people thrilled by how female hrothgar look, but the one in the trailer just looks like the Andre the Giant of loporitts, to me. I feel like they're a *little* better in-game, but that's a low bar barely hurdled.
I thought Yshtola was a black mage.
Sorry, IDK how to spell her name.
I also thought Krile was a white mage, but I like the job change.
Y'shtola is referred to a Sorceress, not a black mage. She functions like a black mage with a few white mage elemental attacks thrown in. She also doesn't possess a Black Mage job stone. SE basically did the same thing with Alphinaud when they made him Academician instead of Scholar (granted he used a carbuncle instead of fairies)
@@hakkyounotenshi I thought Alphinaud turned Sage...
@@ZianaSue In Endwalker he does.
But in Shadowbringers and every expansion previous, he's using books and Carbuncles.
Wait, but I thought you guys had died? ;)
Nobody asks if the male Hrothgar is muzzley enough, it's just the female form that has to be "cute" enough or conform to female beauty standards. Couldn't be clearer to me.
I think it's more the opposite, actually. I've seen a lot of people worried that they would focus more on making them attractive at the cost of looking unique, a bit like female vs. male Roegadyn. That's why things like the female models having a bit less of a snout get so much scrutiny.
If male Hrothgar had no chin like the Hrothgal in the trailer, they absolutely would ask if they were muzzley enough. This is like asking if a fridge is rectangular enough. If it is, nobody asks. If it isn't, questions get raised. It has nothing to do with gender.
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