Copying a 120 Year Old Blacksmith Style | Engels Coach Shop
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- I need to duplicate a missing forged iron for this mud wagon coach we are restoring. This blacksmith had accomplished skills when he built this coach originally and now I need to copy his style today to complete this iron brace for the luggage boot. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles often required observing and replicating other craftsman and women who went before us.
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I’m going to tell you like my boss would tell me when I started in the machine shop. If someone made this, then I know you can make it. I’ve not seen anything that you couldn’t copy or make or repair/ reproduce. Most of the time the pieces you make look better than the one you copied. Good job Mr Blacksmith stay safe.
The finished iron looks great. I seriously doubt the original blacksmith could produce two identical pieces any closer than you. It was very entertaining.
Loved what you did at the end. I teach high school students. One of the things I attempt to do is teach self reflection and critique. By comparing your work to the original you weren’t boasting, or denigrating your work you were reflecting on how you could do better the next time. You have reached this level of craftsmanship by doing this on probably every item you’ve made. I will never make a wagon or coach, but I admire your skill and the way you go about learning and creating beautiful pieces of craftsmanship. Thank you.
Upsetting is the most important and least talked about blacksmith ability.
And just like too many of its predecessors, today's session of the coachbuilding masterclass was over altogether too soon! I especially like Dave's use of that high speed assault hammer while forging that heavy metal! My sincere thanks to Dave and Diane for allowing us to attend these "classes".
I've always said I love the way the high speed hammer sounds. It's like the "Six million dollar man" was hammering.
Dave. Your range of blacksmithing skills is remarkable. Your ability to observe an old original piece of wagon iron and then duplicate it by hand is an amazing thing to witness. The mud wagon project is really progressing well and I cannot wait to see the next episode. Thank you for letting us be a part of it!
I have to agree with you 100%
I agree too
I suggest a) The iron was bent because the repair was made hastily; b) a measurement mistake was made when forging the bent iron, and it was intentionally bent to make it fit the length of the support reaching under the wagon; c) the craftsman making the repair was pressed for time (perhaps the wagon had a route-schedule to keep), and a repair that was "good enough" was sufficient for the circumstances.
Or not. But that's what makes sense to me.
Love your craftsmanship and the care you take in making things right. Forge on, Dave!
Great job , new problems to solve , much thinking needed , the more satisfaction in the end...
It's a joy to watch a true craftsman..
You did it!!!!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️✅✅✅✅✅
Wonderful work!! Metal work, wood work, Not a copycat!!!
You're not a copycat, you're the real thing.
Well said
Very nice job enjoy your show
*- By instinct, Dave, I would never have wanted that iron to be square.*
*- I would want the weight of the luggage to want to fall toward the backing boards, "forward", not jounce off the back.*
*- Tilting the iron toward the front of the carriage makes all the luggage not stack level and the pieces will not want to fall off with each jounce of the road*
*- That means tie down rope, banding or straps are not needed.*
*- All that is needed is crossed leather strap netting to throw around the luggage to just has to hold the stack of stuff in place.*
*- With the bottom of each piece of luggage slightly tipped up, every piece will want to slide toward the front of the wagon and up tight against the boarding it is stacked against.*
*- This way, loading and securing luggage is quick and easy and nothing wants to jounce off.*
*- Stacking hay bales taught me this...and noticing old westerns used crossed leather strap netting made sense to me because of what the hay bales showed me.*
Thank you. Nice job. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
The craftsman past would be proud 👍
The education and entertainment continues. I posted in an earlier comment that THIS is what "reality TV" should be. And you continue to deliver that same consistently high quality of content. It's not only your actual work skills, which are fantastic. It's the production quality and style you and anyone that helps with the editing continue to put out episode after episode. It's a great blend of seeing the actual work and hearing of your thought processes. Plus the filming and audio quality is simply excellent.
Yeah! Real reality. I love it!
Master Blacksmith .
I think That the series of videos on the repair and researching about this wagon would be a valuable piece of information and provinence about the vehicle. It would certainly (in my mind anyway) increase the value and joy of ownership of whoever owns the wagon.
I really appreciate your hammering skills
Vous méritez un Oscar pour l'ensemble de votre œuvre. Pierre de Vierzon.
Always fascinating to see your technique in working of both wood and steel to stay true to the craftsmen of the 1800's. We are privileged to watch you re-create these vital work wagons. Thanks, Dave.
You would have been luckier if both of those bars had disappeared ...anyway...... this rebuild is very intriguing Dave...love to see your skills in action!
I have no doubt that this mud wagon will be awesome.
I wish more CZcamsrs would use your presentation style.
Low volume on the music (and such calming music it is) and just show us what you are doing WHEN you are working!
Then there comes a time to stop working and take the time to explain what either HAS happened or what WILL happen.
These are just some of the reasons why I love the channel. Thanks, Dave.
One of those times it would have been nice to have your daughter around. Great duplication of the iron.
True. Of course there are lots of times it would be nice to have our daughter around.
@@dianeengel4155 I am sure you would like that.
You did an outstanding job on the second brace. I think once all the holes are drilled and both pieces painted no one but you will know which one is which. You are a true master of your kraft.
My elbow is sore just watching you beat that iron into shape. Looks good to me as far as matching the original.
Wonderful skills, commentary and production. Great example of instruction and entertainment, thank you.
Notwithstanding Dave, once you fit the original, the iron you have left - is right!
You are awesome it is so nice to see what they went through without all the tools we have now your press is powered but with the help of power you still make it as close that no one would know I have seen two hand made pieces that had the little differences that you have in your matching part and that is awesome I could get close but it would never be close enough your eye for detail is the way a restored piece should be done thanks for letting us see how it was done
Dave, I think you just love to hear that anvil sing !!!
impressive how they got things done 150 years ago... the hydrolic press was invented in 1795: Joseph Bramah patented the first hydraulic press in England, paving the way for the industrial revolution.
Thanks for the video
Upset corners are real work to get nice! Well done!
Crisp bends look tough. This guy is good!!
From one smith to another....superb job duplicating the brace. Corners are A+ and the match is perfect and working with 1/2" bar no less...but then again, this ain't your first rodeo!! 👍😊
IMO, you're just as good as they were, no, better. And here's why. Blacksmithing is a work of repetition and something one can lose if not maintained. So you're making work without it being your main "iron" that's just as good as the one you're duplicating. And i'm not talking just about this one, i'm talking about all the stuff you've shown over the years. For someone who mainly works wood, you're a very competent blacksmith.
Once again thanks for the video.
Another amazing job well done.
Oh my Dave, you are WAY to critical of your work, if you would not have told or shown the SLIGHT difference in the iron you made, NO one looking at it even closely , could tell that they didn't look identical. Your workmanship is superb Dave !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Duplication Dave.
I would like to think that the original blacksmith would appreciate and be proud of Dave's reproduction of his original piece. In this way he still lives on.
Frozen water lines that are leaking out side is the worst. Nice job.
I never doubted you at all. You are so talented.
Great job and you learn from a past blacksmith.
Dave...just love to watch you working Iron at the forge.
Most excellent. Really liked that one. Stay safe.
Make sense upsetting the metal thanks again, learn something every time, your a fantastic teacher.
My Friday is now complete. Thanks Dave!!
That’s some tricky business replicating so many bends, you pulled it off nicely, that shows years of practice, job well done!
You are a master at your trade.
When you look at the wood and iron to any of these coaches who draw up the plans 🤔. Engineer mind to build these to care passagers to city's to towns across this great country. I sure like how you tell this puzzle 😏. I like your blacksmithing scells. Great job 👏 👍!
Maybe the wagon was repurposed from how it was originally built. The seats and luggage rack added on at a later date in a different shop. The aforementioned blacksmith made the support to match the existing stance of the box, making it at the angle you found. Of course without the matching piece from the other side, one can only speculate. I bet he would have given his pinky toe to have access to your torch and hydraulic press though. Nice bit of metal work on your part for sure. Thanks for sharing.
Every time I watch you , I learn a little bit more. It helps me appreciate how things were created back then. Thank you!
As long as those two braces are not side by side you cannot tell the difference. That is pretty darn close by me. 👍👍Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
All I can say is, It's a pleasure to watch a skilled craftsman at work
Amazing craftsmanship and skill!
It's always a pleasure watching you, Dave.
Great job and very interesting. Enjoy seeing the blacksmithing work.
Good stuff all the way and I love your Forge. Thanks for the show~!!
Archaeology meets craftsmanship, great job, Dave!
Great blacksmith work . I have my grandfathers vice and wood work bench and my brother has his anvil all in great shape.
Another great class on what's right in their thinking too? You go to great pains to make sure it looks and works right as did those before you. Fantastic job Dave. Enjoyed the upsetting lesson of making it right. Thanks for sharing with us, stay safe and keep up the great videos and having fun along the way. Fred.
Really enjoying this restoration series / mystery detective series. This old coach is telling its story as narrated by you.
Never having done any metalwork I never really looked at irons like this - I just took them for granted. Having seen this I now better understand and appreciate the skills and craftsmanship that goes into creating an object even as simple looking as this. Thanks for opening my eyes.
It would be interesting to see you make your own style of mud wagon from the ground up, not following anybody else's plans, but just doing it the way you think best.
Your copy of this iron is like a scribe would copy a scroll. So your work is a copy, just not a Xerox copy.
Very nice work with the forge.
As I mentioned briefly in on earlier episode, regardless of the outcome, this rebuild will still be a product of Engels Coach Works... and must meet your Standard. The How and perhaps Why things came to be since the coaches Origin can be ephemeral... with the Answer, as Peter, Paul and Mary suggested... BLOWING IN THE WIND😆 Great series of videos, Thanks Dave & Diane!
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Just think about this. They had no oxy/acetalene torch, and hydraulic press...
It's amazing, just how much work those 2 tools can replace. Not to mention the mig welder and power tools.
You're an amazing craftsman.
I really enjoy watching a true professional work..
God bless you and your loved ones
Godspeed
You always surprise me with your knowledge of wood working, problem solving, metallurgy, and metal work. Nice job and making that part, something I could never do. Just as insight, you might not have copied the original but that is ok because that tells later craftsman that two different people made those irons.
If there was a shelf on the luggage boot tipping it forward would make sense as that would make it more difficult for baggage to slide out.
Looks good to me! yYou still amaze me. The floggings will continue until morale improves. So keep working for perfection you are pretty close.
Dave, Another fantastic video! You think you know a man, listening to your Montana Swing in the background, which I love. Then, today I hear one of the Terpsichore Dances (and, not for the first time), and that also really works well and I also love a lot. It's a small detail, but your background music choices are always great. Keep up the great work! Be well & Best regards!
Thanks Jimmy
Another great episode!
Duplicating work that was done that many years ago with skills that have long gone and tools that have changed over the years is a larger challenge that starting from scratch. You basically have to go back in time and find skills and tools that have fallen by the wayside over the years. I thank you for recreating history in this modern day.
3:49 gonna hazard a guess that it tips up the trailing edge of the luggage rack to help keep the bags in place and reduces the chance of them sliding out.
Dave great blacksmithing as I have always seen you do.
I hope you wear hearing protection when hammering iron on the anvil.
Amazing engineering!
Thanks for having us along! ✌🇦🇺
You did well on the brace.
Phenomenal stuff. I subscribed to this channel a long time ago and didn't watch all that much. This must change... 🇬🇧👍
Nice duplicate. Making that jig was a super idea for those two bends. Sometimes you spend more time and effort getting the correct method in place than it actually takes doing the bend but in the end, its more accurate and yield a better outcome. There's something about blacksmithing...and the descriptive language used back then, the boot, the bonnet, turret top, surrey etc.
It would be interesting to have some of that old 120+ year old steel/iron tested for ore content to see just how much better or worse it is to modern iron.
BTW...I agree, alter the original iron to be plumb, it only makes common sense.
I watched the movie "El Dorado" again last night and noticed in a couple of scenes a wagon similar to the one your building. With the irons on the drivers seat like you have. Just thought I'd pass that on. Good movie, and once again good video.
You are an amazing craftsman!!I think you could of left everything as it was, and just changed the through holes for the outside brace. That would of kept the outside brace in the center of that rear cross member.
Dave that brace turned out perfectly. It might not be a 100% duplicate but then the original wagon makers could be a little off as well. Remember these items were hand made with hammers and a coal forge. There were not made in a multi million dollar factory with machines that did only one part of the iron. when you compare your work to the original part you show the differences and how you could improve them. Another thing if t your part was off shape it would end up in the scrap pile. Us followers now that if it not 100% it is garbage. Keep up the good work. PS I also like your mid week videos.
DAVE GREAT JOB, YOU DIDN'T BEAT ME UP TO BAD TODAY I'M GOOD TO GO MY EARS ARE RINGING, SEE YOU ON MONDAY IF I'M LUCKY, TELL ALL HELLO...GREAT VIDEO...SEE YOU WHEN...THANK YOU...
Sure makes you appreciate having the right tools! Awesome job, Dave!
I know the term "upset" but I had not heard it in quite a while. I enjoyed the work and the result.
Hi Dave and Diane ☺, well Dave I think you got those irons pretty well matched, and they will look better to the eye straightened up, thanks for another interesting video mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and Diane, Stuart and Megan UK.
Great work as always!! I bet the original blacksmith would have loved to has your hydraulic press
Keep them coming
Be safe
Theron
you should mark your work so down the future knows it is a different blacksmith who did repair.
I would definitely just keep them straight and make the rod that bolts to it work with the straight bracket. It will definitely look better in the end if they are in line with the side instead of leaning forward.
Little did they know that that new kid, Dave would be giving it a go 150 years later.
You are much better black smith then you think 👍
Wow!
Great job.
I started my day seeing your craftmanship and admire it.
Thanks for your patience explaining what you do.
Looks really good to me.
I do not know much about wagons, but from your dialogue about a luggage container hanging at the back, I would surmise that the iron rod was bent back to provide leverage and distribute the weight over the wheel, to maintain equal weight distribution over the wheelbase and thus stop the luggage box swinging backwards and knocking against the rear of the waggon continuously.
Glad to see you decided to staighten things up,, Don't think the original blacksmith would have made it catywompus on purpose. The new one looks close enough that unless you got really picky you wouldn't be able to notice any difference, especially on opposite sides of the box. Keep it up,, you will get it made. Good Job.