A "Good" Fake Morgan Silver Dollar! Here is how to detect Counterfeit silver!
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- čas přidán 4. 11. 2018
- In this video I examine a 1903 S Silver Dollar. This is one of the "better" fakes as the weight is almost spot on and the coin is not magnetic. We explain how to detect it as a fake coin and show you the tools to use to do it yourself.
The 1903 S is a lower mintage key date coin, making it especially important to verify its authenticity.
Some post production notes - Actual weight of a typical Morgan dollar is 26.73 grams, so technically the coin was only overweight by .06 grams. - Jak na to + styl
I've watched this twice. At different dates. And I just want to say is thank you for educating me.
My dad had a peace dollar he thought was real for the longest time. And I put a magnet to it and it stuck and he was pretty upset about it. I bought him a real one for Christmas..
Good job on being a good son.
People who fake coins to scam people need to be shot in the face and incinerated
people who sell fakes should be thrown into the lava where they can feel the pain but not die
I believe China is the source of nearly all counterfeits.
Good video, but why the compulsion to add background music? It dramatically reduces the watchability.
Yes, very annoying.
almost didn't notice the music
GREAT VIDEO
The back ground music drowned out the ring test also.
Whose brilliant idea was it to have loud music in the background while you're performing the ring test?
What a great video. I had no idea there were so many ways to verify whether a silver dollar is real, or fake. Thank you for making this video.
Great video. I am just getting into collecting Morgan’s and these videos really help in my search!
Loved your video, especially the ping test. For me, it is the best example on youtoube to illustrate the different pitches of fake vs. real. My conclusion is that scale, caliber and ping test is all you need to find 99% of all fakes. No expensive testing equipment needed.
Not on valuable numismatics though. Fakes of these would still be coin silver, and pass all those tests.
@@przybyla420
good point, that's why I'm a bullion Bull 🎉
Great video, to the point and straightforward. Thanks, well done!
Thank you very much for this informative video! I guess I will buy a tool like yours :)
*ring test* taking your morgan from MS, to choice BU. Hahah just poking fun, this is a fabulous video!! Great work!!!
This was the most helpful video about finding out the true authenticity of a real silver dollar those measurements took away what little doubt I had then the ring test I had a peace dollar to use against my Morgan but it worked . Even though the peace is so much thinner I couldn’t believe there’s that much difference but all 3 of my peace dollars ring and are all the same diameter but thinner . Thank you so much for going through all the details the way you did I’ve learned a lot more from this one video than I did others I’m likening and subscribing !
I would like to see a somewhere a video or study of the variances of VF MINT non circ High Grade Morgans, width, diameter and weight. Now on your video, If that coin was cleaned and to bare metal like when new the .09 could be gone. Oh and another thing, ( if your familiar with Metal detectors..... you can Target ID a real Morgan vs. a fake one ). Example using a Teknetics metal detector with digital ID. The metal detectors with analog meters are harder to read. These should show up right at the same number and will show a difference in the numbers if other metals are being used. PS. your video is the most put together out of all I've seen, *GREAT JOB !*
Thanks for the vid Charlie!
Excellent video. I also do a quick test using a strong neodymium magnet where I put the coin almost vertical, slightly slanted, and then put the small magnet against the top and let it slide down. If the coin is high content silver, then the diamagnetism of a real coin will cause the magnet to slide down across the coin much slower than if the coin is not silver. I am curious if you use this test also.
In the 1970s, my grandfather worked in a liquor store. When interesting coins would come in, he would buy them out of the register for face value and give them to my brother and me. I've got 3 Morgan silver dollars and I've been looking at them lately. I did the ring test this morning as I had just learned about it. 2 of them ring beautifully. One makes a horrible 'thud' :D I think I've got a fake! :D
Kind of makes you wonder why someone would would go through the effort to make a fake Morgan dollar and put it into circulation in the 70’s
Great video, thorough.
A dealer on ebay sent me 100 silver dollars and 20 of them where fake . I filed a complaint and got a refund
Nice job
I was given a Morgan dollar very similar to what you have shown. I also noticed that if you take your fingernail you can rub/scratch off the gray fake patina.
thanks for sharing, very helpful video
I just bought a scale and it is very useful in detecting fraud coins 👍
Wowsers!!! Great video!!! Thanks so much
Thankyou for the knowledge!!!
Man....silver coins pinging together is just as satisfying as an M1 Garand ping
Yeah this really helped find out if my coin was fake Thx
I got eleven silver dollars from my grandparents from their wedding and gave them to me!
Informative, thank you
I just weighed one that i bought on ebay advertised as a replica and it weighed 27grams and the width is exactly 2.8mm and the diameter is 37.78mm. They are taking note and improving
Why would you buy a replica? You can get inexpensive real coins lol.
@@justin-davis my answer is for magic tricks, they are a great size for manipulation
Thickness
Another way to quantify the "ring" would be a digital guitar tuner that will show the sound of the ring. They are small, relatively inexpensive, and reproducible. Have not checked my few silver coins yet, but should work. Look for a tuner with the cent meter. This will give a very fine sound discrimination.
when you measured the coin for it's thickness(the fake that was over 3mm) were you measuring from rim to rim or the middle of the coin? i could not tell from the video. thanks! the thickness is supposed to be 2.40mm? is that middle of the coin, or rim to rim?
Rim to rim
Great info, thanks.
Parabéns, uma ótima aula. 👏👏👏👍
Can't hear the Ring test music too loud
THANKYOU SO MUCH. GREAT HELP!
Thanks for the info!
Good Info..
How much does the tool cost?
Good vid. Just a thought: the ping test sounded a bit like shopping in the produce section of Albertson's. Might want to cut the background music in that section. Very good presentation of dimensions, which was your catch. Buying off Ebay is something I don't do. Never have, never will. Too risky, too much work if it turns out to be a fake.
Great video I recently bought Morgans and I need a experienced person to look at them
Thanks. Very useful.
Is there a specific scale that you recommend
Thanks so much Sir for this good information
Have nice day Sir 💐💐❤
Thanks for info bro
I agree, 100%. If you're buying morgans or peace dollars make sure you have a good neodym magnet, a scale that reads 1/100 grams and a caliper. It will help you weed out almost all of the fakes.
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Copper and brass react the same way as silver using a neodymium magnet.
Good one I go through 60 Morgan’s in my Morgan videos
Where can I buy those tools you used . I've been looking for some scales like that but have not found any. The sigma machine seems to be the best way. Where do I go to find one , please sir ?
www.sigmametalytics.com/ - these are what we use, and plenty of coin shop suppliers provide them... They are pricey though.
Harbor freight scale
@@bhooe8595 Yep, mine works great.
what brand of silver tester is that? is that a GVS tester🤔🤔🤔 thx
Great info
I have zero idea how one could be a silver (or gold, especially gold) buyer in 2022 without a Sigma Analytics machine. That 1903 SD was an exceptional fake, that would fool even pretty experienced coin guys. I also like a magnet test, you can get little 1/4" x 1/4" rare earth magnets out of a dead CD player that work great.
Great video
It's hard enough to find original and unmessed with Morgans (cleaned, whizzed, etc) as is, now we have to worry about this! Do coin shops charge people to verify their coins, if so, how much? I have a 1903-S that I now want checked.
Your local coin shop really should not charge for something like that. I wouldn't at my shop. I really takes no time at all for someone experienced.
What is the name of the tool ? Also how much do they cost? Very informative video, thank you for educating us. Can you also do a video on silver bars ?
Hello June! Thanks! The Sigmas are rather expensive. 700-ish for the cheaper version, up to 1400 for the high end tester. I actually did do a couple videos on silver bars that are on my channel. Take a look!
Thank you for all this information. We novices really appreciate all the help we can get! Being you are so knowledgeable on many things silver being one, could you please do a video on antique Turquoise and Silver bracelets.? It would be greatly appreciated as I am a collector.
They won’t ever be over weight. Nothing will ever be over weight unless it’s an antique bar from the 1700s, and even then, probably spot-on or just under.
very helpful
OMG I'm so glad other people agree the background music is to loud and annoying !! I think his calibration is off too. He means well but delivers mixed results and numbers,
what is the type of acid do you use to verify(help) a silver coin??
None because that ruins them I’d just use a simple few tests to avoid completely ruining the value of a Morgan ping test magnet test and examine the coin compared to a known real Morgan
It has that brown tint that all the fake ones seem to have. That brown tint that you can’t get with pure silver. The one on the right is probably a mixture of bronze and silver
The color is a give away. Looks "too good" at a glance. Dark coloration just ain't right and the silver is pretty light. Neat to see that they made the coin to thick, accounting for the extra weight as it should be a bit under. Thanks for sharing. A quick drop on a hard surface tells the ring.
The ping/ring is the fastest most reliable test.
Is there a follow up with the customer? Did eBay get their money back on the fake Morgan?
Great video, I knew about the weight, but the dimensions were not coming up on google and the ring test would be very helpful if I had two real silver Morgans to test with, but my sound just like your fake ones. It's like the difference between Pan and The Minotaur playing the Flute. The music is a bit much and annoying.
What is scary is all the work they put to get this looking pretty decent imagine if they just use silver. It would be so close it would be unimaginable.
Always check the reeds. Reeds never lie. Thickness too.
They won’t luckily as that defeats the purpose
@@onedollasnake Maybe for this coin but for a collector's rare version like Carson City that sells for $1000 it defeats the purpose not to.
Where do you get the tool that measures the diameter and thickness of the coin.
Hobby shops
Called a caliper
Harbor Freight has them less than $15.
Excellent content, I learned a lot. Especially the 1804 coin that my wife bought me from a garage sale for AU $1.00 was fake. Cheers.
You might want to turn down the music for the "ring" test.
More difficult to tell apart, if the counterfeit has had been made with real actual 90% silver, esp. for highly valued old 8-Reales Spanish pillar dollar.
what kind of acid did you use
The sigma tester was throwing off different readings of diameter and thickness than your digital calipers (?)
What is the ring test?
It is easier to use 18k gold acid to test for silver, it shows up white-ish and so much more easier than the actual silver acid tester...also if you add acid that you don't use a lot, or it is older and not worthy to use you can put it on all the marks to clean the testing stone. I don't get a lot of platinum and it came with my kit and I use it to clean the stone... ;-)
An amazing fake! How did they make it? Conventional minting? What an effort.
Not really sure. It is assumed that dies are made from coins, which are basically like making copies of copies so there is loss. But with a coin this old, it is expected to be worn. So more care was taken to find an alloy that would allow the coin to take almost the same area, so when weighed it might get past some folks. Most people will not check the thickness of a coin, but since this is a key date, it had to be verified. This coin is definitely too thick.
good advice for people buying morgans
Do they make fakes out of silver? That would make more sense considering silver is cheap and thw value is in the numismatic part?
Before the plandemic I saw common year Morgan’s for around $28. Think they’re like .8 of an oz. melt value or so, at $18/oz. it’s mostly silver you’re paying for.
@@przybyla420 ASW: 0.7734oz Melt Value: $13.66 Mostly collectors value. Not the best way to stack silver if you're paying a premium.
Yeah but the only fake silver ones are gonna be semi key date coins or keydate fakes but they often have the same grainy terrible look to them
would it be too much to ask to keep the music out of the background? What purpose it actually serves?
I knew by the 1 second mark, when you flipped it over, that it was fake. By the sound it made. This is also the first video I have watched that was made with some decent equipment. There are more "FAKE" CZcams videos about fake silver than there are real ones. LOLOL I wish youtube had a block button. You would have a lot less competition. :o)
When did the fake Morgans and Peace dollars starting coming out.
I got a decent looking morgan off eBay a while ago for my 16th birthday. (it was a 1902 O, but not the small o counterfeit)
weighed slightly over (26.78) but still within tolerances
thickness was fine (2.4mm dead)
the diameter, however, was 37.8mm. on a coin that looks like it has almost no wear. I know .3mm is a tiny amount. but coupled with the weight being slightly over, im not sure if it adds up
(it does ring like a silver bell though, so its almost definitely silver)
kinda sucks that I got whats probably a counterfeit for my birthday. but oh well, thanks for the video
I also got a Morgan for my birthday luckily it was real happned to be 16 for me as well
A good way to tell if it’s fake is check the vams if it don’t have a single vam from that year it’s fake
@@onedollasnakewhat's a vam?
Right, weigh it out take a magnet to it then measure diameter and etc.
What kind of stone is that, and kind of acid?
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that 1888 does have a mint mark can't tell what it is but they're look definitely looks like a mint mark might be there
What the name of the machine??
To be employed on scale . That's MY Morgan's worth, Iver ans above seiures in Raced Boats.
Don't you agree, Justin? For the netaogir alone, "just coming out"?
I see you have 4 thumbs down so we know 4 coin crooks watched this ! Dang I wish would have seen this a few years ago . I have so many silver dollars , there is no way I even want to know if I have fake ones or not ! I bought them in good faith , I will sell them the same. The thought makes me sick to my stomach ! Geeze , crooks everywhere !
HEY Beach GOLD Assay
THE PART Of Your Video Right At the 12 Min 3 Second Mark,..
Right Where Just Got Done Adding Silver ACID To Both Scratches on Your Stone,,,Where You Say Ok Ill Be Back With Some?? =What Did You Say?
Were You After a Paper Towel? Or Some Special Type Of Cloth?
I'm Also Asking Because i'm Here Now Testing 4 Morgans Dollars,, Each From a Different Source
Yet None Of The Test is TURNING RED?? =When i Wipe Up The ACID With a Typical Kitchen Paper Towel Its Just a Dirty Dark Gray Or Black Spot So I'm Baffled?
I'M Even Trying Repeatedly With 2 Different Stones,, Because i'm Unsure Whether, I'm Supposed to Be Using My 2nd Stone which is a Clear Transparent Stone Thinking Maybe That's Specially Made for Silver Only? IDK?
There No Packaging With the Clear Stone which i have had Stashed Away Many Years & Never Used it ever Before Till Trying It NOW
So Being Unsure i Used My Typical Black Stone Just Like Yours = Using Both Stones to be Sure
But Again Nothings Turning RED?
Am i Suppose to Use Some Special Cloth instead Of the Typical House Kitchen Paper Towel? Is that WHY??
Or Could the Red ACID Be Stale / Corrupt? Polluted?? From Age being its Approx 7 Years Old?
its Been in My Room DesK Draw at Room Temp THE Whole 7 Years Never Outside Never in Garage?
ANYONE? Have an Idea Why this Isnt Working? I'm Stumped?
THANKS In Advance,
Yes, we just use regular paper towels. Anything that can just show us the red vs other colors, paper towels work fine.
Looks real to me !! I would have been taken if I had purchased that coin. Had no idea that there are fake coins in existence. Who would do that ??
Chinese.
Need help just bought a 1883 Morgan and the ping test is great I got it from my lcs but I weighed it and it weighs at only 25.7
Is it real ? Do you think it could have lost a gram due to wear
Does it look very worn? I’ve seen worn coins as low as 25 grams. If it’s not worn at All that could be a red flag at that weight, as a bu coin should weigh 26.7 grams.
Beach Gold Assay so the funny thing is that it looks good , it’s got a lot of tarnish on it I’d like to send you a pic of it so you can see what I’m talking about .
Beach Gold Assay it’s only a little worn , it could be defined as being in VG state around VG 8
B. Lock if you think it is going to be VG8 then I think you’re OK at that weight
I have one dollar coin.1887.what is its value
I bought five from Temu. The price point is such that I don't care if they're fakes, as they're going on a western gunbelt and holster anyway. If I were collecting coins, it would be an issue. But as decorative pieces, no problem unless it's super obvious.
It's good u don't care if their fake , because they are 👍
I like the ring verifier
Hreat vid great info home run narration
The fake Coins makes a person feel like giving up collecting there are too many fakes, and those can destroy a collectors, confidence and collecting
Emptor Caveat, especially when shopping on eBay, as well as other places, flea markets, etc...
What should I do if my dollar is .08 grams less?
Cole Ans if you mean off weight by .08 grams that is fine. Depending on the wear the coins do lose weight.
Throw it away
Not much to worry about anymore on eBay..with the fakes being sold…if u buy from a US seller that’s established on eBay with high numbers of sales and for a long amount of time…ur probably gonna get the real deal…it’s totally different now then it was even a year ago…sellers are treated like shite and docked for every little thing possible…so sellers don’t want returns or disputes because eBay fines them for each item returned and each dispute opened…buyers will do that crap intentionally to try getting the item for free..which I’ve had happen to me once but the buyer didn’t realize that when the item is shipped with delivery confirmation…the package is scanned at their door lol…so he was an amateur online thief lol…but buyers….don’t do that crap to the sellers…they’re average everyday people trying to make an honest living..they’re not Walmart that can afford the loss…
WOW!
So how is it possible to verify a coin that was graded and placed in a plastic slab, 30 years ago?
Obviously these cannot be tested with new technology...so is the "guarantee" of the certified good enough to retain the current value?
My concern is due to the coins left to me by my dad...in the plastic 'bricks'...should I sell while the grading companies still exist...or pass them down to my grandchildren that May find they are PHONEY?
PLEASE advise those of us who truly don't know the inticracies of differences and don't know who to trust!
Thank You!
While certified/graded coins are faked, they are faked far less often. Its much easier to try and fake a "raw" coin than to fake a certified coin. Do not get me wrong, they are still faked. Some of the things you can do is check the total weight including the slab, some of the coins including slab weight are published out there. A Sigma machine can also check a slabbed coin, so this is an option as well. And then there is the good old magnet test. The certification number can be checked too, but since that is public those can just be duplicated. It is still worth checking, it would be quick to find a bad coin where the certification number does not match the coin type that is in the slab. And with all that said, there are techniques to detect fake slabs - in the way the plastic is molded, etc. Your local coin shop should at least be able to give you a good idea about the coins if you go and get them checked out.
Why?
do people color tone the fake morgan dollars?
yea
Would be fun to send the fake into NGC or PCGS just to see if they catch it or not
Gamble on your part.
They are experts and seldom make mistakes.
Mine is close to uncirculated it’s 26.77 magnets don’t stick the dates and other letters look good compared to a real one I’m at 38.9 in diameter and 2.50 in thickness I don’t have a digital reading all I got is the lines on my caliper !
nice chanel
Didn't watch video yet,, im going weigh it and measure it,also look at morgans from the same year??
Let me know if im right..
hi my 1898 morgan dollar passes the thickness and diameter test (i think) but The weight is off by 3 grams but i did a ping test and it certainly sound real
there is little to no wear to my coin btw
Wat is the prize for a 1921 no mark Coin