How can I tell if my Morgan Silver Dollar is real or fake?
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- Hope this helps you out some! What other factors determine a fake coin? Let me know so we can all learn something ;)
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Such a slow talker.
2x speed does wonders
Karen
@MoeTheLegend I noticed that too lmao
Enlighting
I think the gentleman did good. He spoke where everyone could understand him. If you can't say something nice you shouldn't say it at all
If you have a circulated Morgan or Peace dollar that you can hold in your hand, and know that it's authentic, you can hold it in your hand on a regular basis and get used to the weight of it. You'll be able to spot the light ones without any difficulty by simply picking them up and can thus dispense with using a scale. If it's the right weight or even heavier but is a fake, it will be considerably thicker than a real dollar. This is helpful if you're looking at a big lot of circulated dollars.
Bought a couple of fakes in the 1970's. So glad a coin shop owner took the time to educate me on fakes.
Thank you for a very helpful presentation. It's so easy, especially, to weigh a Morgan you've bought in order to weed out fakes. He also addresses other ways to tell -- the sates for instance.
A great deal of data exists for every Morgan ever minted. Reed edge counts are different for many of the Morgans so if it supposed to have significant Numismatic value, then counting those reed edges and looking up the recorded data and comparing is a good move.
Thank you for a superb education of the coins. Also your presentation is great, the comparisons taught me so much.
For some reason, these videos are so relaxing to watch.
Smooth voice!
Very very informative - thank you so much!
Reorganizing my Morgan's and Piece dollars for storage. I will test them and reweigh them also. If any are questionable I will do a specific gravity test.
Last week I threw out three nickels from my late grandfather's collection I thought to be counterfeit. By using your techniques and looking at how poor certain areas were struck, it was easy to see that the buffalos on them were actually missing one of their front legs! To think he had them since the late thirties and never knew.
1936-D or 1937-D right? That's a valuable coin!
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This a joke right?
Lmao 😜
Hahahahhahaa!
Good stuff, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the video, very informative. Especially in determining the authenticity of a Morgan by its weight in grams. Had no idea there were so many real looking Morgan fakes being sold online.
Thank you for educating us.. very helpful info 👍😊
Great video. Another thing I noticed on the fake were that the tips of the wings are considerably rounder than on the real coin. Also there’s something weird about the woman’s ear on the fake.
Also use a magnet for the slightest attraction to magnets.
Helpful. Thank you.
I didn't know that thre were fake Morgan's out there. I will have to invest in a scale. Thank you for the informative video.
Thank you so much for your wisdom and knowledge on these Morgan dollars!!!! I've started collecting them and I'm about halfway through on my first set..lol but thanks again for a very informative video!!!! Keep on stacking and keep On keepin On!!!
My X-ray machine helps too. Will detect every element of composition
What about the magnet test? And the Ping test? There are now a couple of apps for testing various precious metals by the Ping sound. And if you put the coin in a thin plastic sleeve and let a powerful tiny magnet slide down it on a 45° angle….the magnet should slow going over a real Morgan.
That Table looks like you have dropped some serious coin on it. Great vid.
youKnowWho3311 More or less 😉 Thanks!
Very nice video, just what I needed.
Great video. I just bought the scale, similar to that in the video, after watching. After weighing a Morgan dollar, it checked out well. I then established its weight after sealing it in an airtite capsule. Question- would it be ok to use this weight (coin plus capsule) as a benchmark in weighing my other already-encapsulated Morgans, without having to remove them from their capsules (understanding the slight weight differences due to wear)? Thanks for your time!
Good info.. was in Philippines and someone was trying to pass off a Morgan dollar 1888 and a 1862 US dollar to me. $50 each. They are way more than that
Great video! Thank you so much :)
I also like to use the magnetic test.
So helpful thanks. Do you ever call out Ebay sellers?
So my 1903s weighs 26.0 and it was circulated, not magnetic, so would this be a real one 🙃 I bought it in middle school from a kid for a dollar he wanted a hill and I liked coins so I traded. Just curious if the weight could seem right? Probably gonna get appraised and see but just was wondering your thoughts about the weight.
Sir thanks for your information regarding this coins caused I have one Morgan dallar 1898 thanks for info.
Thank you for your important information regarding fake Morgan coin I learned a lot now from you regards from RichardLiew from Kuala Lumpur Malaysia
Just saved me 50 bucks thank you
Thanks for info!
That was a great, informative video. I'm new at collecting and this video will probably save me a lot of money. Where can I buy a scale like you used in the video?
Amazon has em
Thank you so mach ❤❤❤i have one 1890( 26.2 g)
Thank you.
Thank you I avoided buying Morgan's because I don't know that much about them. I just recently bought 3 I ping tested them and they pinged real but I've got a 1897 S that looks kind of wonky.
Thanks, very helpful but you forgot to mention the ping test.
Yes, I was waiting for it too!
the whole time you were saying "this brown color" I was sitting here looking at your GREEN coin LOL. anyway, great info and tips for spotting fakes. On yours another thing I noticed the date looks more like 19 01 than 1901 the spacing of the numbers looks just off. And it sure does look cast rather than struck. If counterfeiters ever figure out how to cast a 27g planchet then using a hammer, anvil or vice to stamp out their fakes we're screwed lol.
Great video thank you.
I have 4 silver dollars -- 1900,1922, 1922, 1923 --each weighs 26 grams on my scale which only does whole numbers. Where can I get them appraised?
Really wow you do this to everyone
Thank you for a very informative video. I just purchased an 1887 Morgan that is correct for dimensions and weight. However the finish is different and the silver content is 94.98% (by XRF). I would like to send a photo of the coin for your input.
Had a worn standing quarter that looked as if it had a silver plated brass planchet. It XRF tested 90% and also had around .01% gold content.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I heard you mention correspondence 👍is that allowed ❓
If so I would love to ask you a question.
Thank you 😊
Wendy
TY that helps.
Good informational video 😊
If you take a Morgan Dollar and lie it flat, and you do the same with a Peace Dollar and lie it flat and next to each other. Does the Morgan Dollar appear slightly thicker because of the Coin Rim design on the Morgan Dollar, vs the very simple and somewhat thinner Rim on the Peace Dollar?
I read in the 2023 red book that there is a tiny M on the left side of the ribbon bow on the Reverse side under the eagle. I have verified that it does exist on my few Morgan’s that are in my collection. Does that counterfeit have that tiny M? Great video! 👍 New subscriber!
You can see at 0:54 the little M on the good one. At 1:03 you can see a poor-looking attempt at it, appearing as a kind of indentation on the bad one.
Other things to look for on fake morgans....fading/weak LIBERTY in the headband, weak/thin M (designer mark) on bottom of morgan bust (right above the date)....
Thanks for the info. I have a 1901 Morgan Silver dollar from your description it appears real, Mint 0. Is a bit worn. Thanks what is the next step in selling?
eBay is a great option.
I purchased a Morgan Silver dollar off eBay recently, was described in "About Uncirculated," condition. However, it weighed 23 grams, which I couldn't believe. It was a fake, off eBay. I strongly suggest avoiding the site of uncertified Morgan dollars.
I have some silver rounds that don’t sound right when they are pinged they pass magnet and weight test . Any other suggestions ?
WHat about the Peace Silver Dollars? Were they counterfeited too?
I don't know if it's just me but at the beginning of the video 0:57 where you show the 2 coins I noticed that the last "A" in America on the real one you can clearly see the bar across the A but you can't really see it on the fake. Maybe that's just me and my eyesight or just the way you held them both but all the way through I was trying to see if it was just me and to me it's consistent all the way through the video. If I'm right do you think that could be another way to spot a fake?
I got a fake mixed in with a bunch of cull dollars. It had that brown or gray finish. Under glass it looked cast not struck. Then the acid test wouldn' t show red. My friend who has been in coin business for years passed on to me. He has no idea. I never did like the color on it. I finally got a acid tester and it doesn't test silver. weight on this one is a little heavy. Shows wear marks on breast but not wings. The the arrow heads that the eagle is holding are really messed up.
No mention of the ping test or magnet test. But good vid.
A Morgan dollar was discovered as genuine it was struck on aluminum. Unfortunately pcgs didn't list the coins weight but the aluminum Morgan should weigh less than silver.
I enjoyed your video . I’ve had a 1799 silver dollar for years. My eyes are bad my friend did something with a magnet and said it wasn’t real. It’s still in my junk drawer. Could tell me I’d I could tell by that if it’s real!! It was my mom’s thank you Gloria shade
If a magnet sticks to it, it is not real.
Also that (M) on her neck at the bottom above the (9) in 1901. Its strange?
What's the best way to clean an old coin . Thanks.
excellent
I have a1902... checks in at 26/27g.🇺🇸 maybe I should sell it? 🤔
I bought 6 Morgan Dollars from 1879, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1900 and 1921 and 17 Peace Dollars 1922-1926 here in Germany today in a pawn shop for a total price of €460, which is €20 each, which is €2.45 more than the spot i think the price is ok for all 23 coins 460€ equals 507$
and 20€ a piece equals 22$ what do you think about the price was it a bargain? how much do the coins cost at your pawn shop in the usa?
Hello, there is also such a product with which you can test your silver. You scratch a metal piece with your coin and you put a drop of that liquid on it. If the morgan is false, the product turns brown, if the product remains red, it is silver. You know what I mean. And you know where I can buy that and what this is called. Regards,Ed
I have a few coins bought from E-Bay. I am worried I may have been ripped off. I will weight he coins after seeing your video.
Are the fakes still silver? is there any seight value in them or are they worthless, made of lead oe Zinc?
I myself am worried also on ebay ..i zoomed in on a morgan several actually to verify authenticity well as much as i could it ended at 33.50 so i hope it checks out when i get it I'll have to buy a scale and use magnet test
Can you please send the address of your shop
I need someone in Newyork to help me checking if my morgan dollar with 30 degree rotated dies is real
Thanks a lot
But there are some very well preserved with minimal wear also for example someone was a collector
@ModernMiner942 i live in Uk can’t call you
I definitely bought a fake One, thanks for the information.
I have a 1895 weight looks right I'll stick to a magnet and the date looks legit the fives look good it looks real Philadelphia
Great video. Very informative. What are the fake coins made of? I have a morgan that is clearly fake. If I cut it in half would I see that it was made of copper or brass? Thanks.
Thanks! Yes, they are often made of copper or brass. Some are even made of silver. The coin I show here is made of brass.
@@ModernMiner4 So I cut the coin in half. It was silver color throughout. Not sure that means anything or not. Aloe, I noticed that real and fake coins sound different when dropped on a table.
@@kencoonen8123 Well, could be made of anything silver color. Yeah, the sound a coin makes can be a quick and easy giveaway for fakes.
So what you're sayin is you cut a Morgan silver dollar in half by mistake 😆😆😆
@@davidwelch1903 I weighed the fake coin and it was a fair amount less than a real one.
Tengo un dollar Morgan 1889 o excelente condición
I have an 1896 double die reverse Morgan silver dollar I can’t seem to find anything on it anywhere
GREAT infor God BLESS +
Hi I’ve got a silver Morgan dollar 1896 it looks quite worn down The weight is 25.70 g it’s also has a O above the dollar word trying to figure out if it’s real or not. Plz
i have a 192
1 with a tiny 9 stamped on the neck ?
what if it doesn't have a date or mint mark?
Yes I have a question for you I've been waiting a few more than dollars some of them are coming up 27.1 g does that mean it's fake
The weight tolerance for Morgans is 26.73 grams +/- 0.097g. I would be skeptical.
The fake one has some black points on it, I saw in another video that this also comes from pouring the coin instead of real minting. Is that a true red flag indicator?
It definitely could be. While a real dollar may have similar issues (you never know where it's been), black spots like that are not typical. Poured coins can often be identified by their grainy surface texture, and by random pinholes on the surface.
I just went through a horrible experience today from a shop think my price was switched bc he took it and disappeared on me for like 10 mns and I'm not stupid all he had to do was use the xrf or whatever
All of the videos show how test check/test them outside of a 2x2. Mist I come in contact with are still in them. How do I check other than magnet?
For a coin in a 2x2, that can be tricky. However, the best way is to learn to identify them visually. Not all fake silver dollars are obvious to the eye, but many examples can be easily spotted. Try searching for silver dollars on eBay and picking out ones that look fake (or even ones that are sold as copies). Figure out why they look fake, and keep those factors in your mental toolbox. An example is that some will have brass color showing through the silver plating. Otherwise, if you're looking at a coin that is for sale, perhaps in a coin shop or at a coin show, ask to see it outside of the 2x2. If it helps them sell it, it would be ridiculous not to do it. I hope this helps, let me know if there's anything I can clarify.
@@ModernMiner4 Thanks. I will do mor research on them. Most "this is a fake" videos are magnets and weight. But I will studies my butt off now in hopes to not get screwed! Again thanks.
@@phillipsmith6136 No problem! If you have any more questions, let me know.
26.72 mine
I have 2 1921 and 1 that is 1904 how can I tell how much they are worth I'm interested in selling them
If you have a real Morgan dollar and others that are suspected fakes, the following may help.
I had a good one (purchased 30+ years ago for $15) and three fakes (bought recently for $1 each). I mixed them up recently and could not figure out which was the real one. I wanted to weigh them but had no weighing machine.
So, I put them one-at-a-time exactly at the end of a wooden ruler and then slid the ruler out over the edge of a book until the coin tipped the ruler down to my desk, noting the reading on the ruler's edge when that happened. The three fakes all tipped at one reading on the ruler's edge, the real one tipped much sooner because it was notably heavier. I found my real one!
So I have an American Eagle Silver Dollars from 1986-1998 some are brown and some aren't but they have been in my Dansco album for more than 20 years and the other years from 1999-2003 I have not yet completed it buying it on Ebay what do I do with the ones that are brown around in the corners do I take them out of album or do I just keep it in there till I sell it eventually? I also have no clue on the grade because I have collected it and have stored for 20 years and I have no intention in selling it but with said my sons aren't interested in my collection what do I do?
@@ModernMiner4 thats a good idea. I almost finished with that set so I'll probably finish it and update coins. In fact I'll probably deposit it because the value would be face value.
@@jrtjonathanwinchell3955 I wouldn't recommend depositing those. You'd be cheating yourself out of a lot more money
I have a 1881 Morgan dollar that seems to have a mistake on the neck idk if the letter "y" is suppose to be there is that normal? Any help on that would be appreciated thanks!
Not sure. I'd have to see it
I just look for the details on the submarine!!! now that's a tell tell sign y'all lol
I sent away for some Morgans. 28 of them. They were not numismatic as they said they were and were just loose in a small very thinly padded plastic bubble envelope. and now that I see this I am going to weigh and inspect them One is an 1895. Would you like to see some photos?
Yes it turns out that they are fakes. They weigh about 23.5 ounces each there fore fake. Real morgans weigh about 26.+ ounces. Now I would like to check the actual metal. How do I test if you please?
I have a uncirculated 1886 dollar no mint mark ? Any idea the value ? It's so hard to trust who will be truthful ?
How do I converse with you in regards to coin
Are the fakes cast or struck?
Have dólar morgan 1889 marca o excelente condición
The weight disparity is key, but imho the wear differences are only slight, and too vague to be determining factors. Also, the "weird graininess" doesn't come across in the video - may in person, but not in the video. The dates aren't "off" enough to be a sole determining factor, either. Imho, it all comes down to the weight. Would have been nice if you told us what metal the fakes are made out of? Can't be 90% Silver, or it wouldn't be profitable enough to justify the effort. Are they Nickel, Zinc, or ???
I have him recently found one apparently it's apparently it's 2nd mint 1921 21 I could really use your help on telling whether or not it's real could I send you photograph
If purchasing from Littleton Coin Company do you need to worry about them being fake?
Nah just being overpriced
Que precio tiene la 1906
So was the fake even silver? What about the sound test?
You left out the magnet test. No need to do any other testing if it is attracted to a magnet.
No magnet?
Which scale do you recommend? That is something I haven't invested in yet.
Karen Oneil
There are many different brands you can find, but the one I use is American Weigh Scale (AWS). Mine graduates at 0.1 grams.
@@ModernMiner4 Would the magnet slide work with these?
Karen Oneil
Possibly. Some metals, such as copper, will react very similarly to silver, so it takes practice
@ Karen O’Neil
Scales like the one shown in this video I’ve seen in tobacco shops (stores that sell cigarettes, pipes and other tobacco products) for less than $10 (without the recalibration weight). I ordered a AWS scale including a 500g calibration weight from Amazon for about $13-15.
I’ve also seen them at gas stations/neighborhood stores. Hope you find one if you’re still looking. They come in handy when it comes to checking questionable coins. 😉
Thank you.👍
I found one in my brother's collection. From 1896.and it is gold color. Can I clean back to silver?
No, you should not clean it. That will hurt the value. The more original the better.
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