The Big Budget Robocop Remake Was Destined To Fail
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- When Robocop first debuted, it quickly became one of the biggest action franchises of the time. For decades following, Robocop's fanbase would be ravenous for sequels, but this 2014 Remake was doomed from the start. What exactly made this Robocop remake so incredibly bad?
#robocop #remake #nerdstalgic
Written by Dave Baker
Edited by Paul Ritchey - Zábava
One of the biggest reasons this version failed was a misunderstanding of the fundamentals of Robocop. Robocop was an emotionless, cold cyborg who lost his humanity and slowly gains it back by the end of the film. In the remake the new Robocop wakes up with his full humanity and never has to reclaim anything.
They brought back the writer or Quantum of Solace. Nuff said.
Haven't seen it in some time, but remember thinking they were going the reverse of robocop, starting human and then losing humanity ass the movei goes...
its just a movie.
Actually, he does lose his humanity, just not right away. After he fails to perform as well as the fully artificial units, they jack up the computer control, suppressing his conscious control. It's at that point that he becomes the emotionless cold cyborg.
I'd say they tried to update it to modern times where Murphy was being manipulated by a system without his conscious knowledge (the ai implanted in his brain taking over when he enters combat/the visor slides down) and he finally overcomes that programming.
The old robocop actually looked and behaved like a cyborg. This was just a man in a suit; more like a superhero movie.
One of my favorite things about the first and second movie is how durable they make him. It feels right that he's slow moving, like he's actually heavy. He looks like a tank.
It couldv been done right imo.
Fluid motion is a must, but his was too fluid at times to the point it was lazy.
Robocop should move like some Boston Dynamics type bot.
Not like a man in a suit.
hearing peter weller talk about how the og suit was such a beast to work with and how they then resolved it made me realize just how much worse the remake was, just could see it in the subtle motions of the remake suit that it was TOO human, the incredible stiffness of the og suit perfectly added to the themes of dehumanization. something the remake completely lost
@@gertjanvandamme2068 one major point in the story than many people miss .. it's really about how we a(soceity at large) are losing our humanity to consumerism. the ad's the mega corp that has taken over every thing , and then there is robocop himself a man that litterally lost his humanity when he became a product of said mega corp. all this came in a time when commercialism and consumerism was at an all time high , and the rise of computers and robotics were on the horizon. It was all one big metaphore for soceity at the time and the potential for us to lose ourselves in it all. it's this level of subconcious story telling that made the original such an amazing story , and why any remake can never really hope to reproduce it.
Yup.
One thing you can't replicate from the original Robocop is the main bad guy, Clarence Boddicker. I don't think I've ever seen such a perfect nasty piece of work in a film either before or after Robocop. Kurtwood Smith absolutely smashed that role and set the bar too high.
I love how Kurtwood Smith made Delta city feel like Gotham city and Grand theft auto the way they destruct environments and brutalize the gote factor, he looks like a normal school teacher that can kill you any given day. Clarence Boddicker is equally comparable to the Joker. The best 2 villains we wished would live longer.
And his "accountant" look made it even better
Read this above.... perfect
Even Dick Jones was great ,he was a old businessman but he was intimidating, cunning , and smooth.
Wasn't he in Total Recall also?
I think one of the best scenes of the movie was when he sees what became of him and becomes increasingly horrified the more pieces of the “suit” are taken away, showing how little remains of his human body.
I think the acting was quite good in this scene.
Ditto
It's a genuinely uncomfortable scene and is really well made.
That was good!
Sweet Jesus! There’s nothing left! I cut my finger a few days ago and was disturbed by it. This is slightly worse lol
That is probably the best scene and shows what the rest of the movie could have been like if the producers were willing to take more risks.
If I could summarise those failed reboots in a sentence, I'd say, "they forget the story and focus on the spectacle."
Which is why a giant alien jelly fish ate 42 people in Nope
I don't think they're that stupid. I feel like they try to not copy the first take and make it different this time while the first take was great already to begin with.
they focused on a different aspect of it and emphasized the spectacle
@@robotdowney There's a lot of truth in that. If you're a fan of the original Robocop, then the worst part of watching it today is the poor effects. I think a lot of people would have been happy to see just a modernized version of the movie they loved. But the people who do these remakes want to "make it their own" and put their own stamp on the thing. If they could have done that well, then more power to them. But mostly they seem to blow it. It's like the filmmakers who do a book adaptation, change the heck out of it, and then wonder why it didn't do well. The book was beloved for a reason. People loved the story. Why exactly does the filmmaker think his changes will be an improvement? People didn't love that book because they thought it sucked. Which is why the first Dune movies did poorly and the current one has not. It's why the Lord of the Rings did well but the Hobbit did not (and the Rings of Power did not). That's my soap box for the day ;)
They bank on nestolgia to put butts in seats and do nothing to further or even care for the original story.
You cant touch the original Robocop, the music, action and Peter Weller were all perfect. Also, the original suit looks awesome.
You can't recreate lightning in a bottle. House Party remake is coming out soon and I look at those two kids in the trailer and think "there's no way those two clowns are filling the shoes of Kid N Play"
I hate the film and its trash for me.....never got why you like it
@@Realkeepa that is what happens when you subcontract your Robo Cops making to some random asian country,
Lol
The second one was almost as good but not quite. We don’t talk about 3. Robocop 1 was such a fantastic lightning in a bottle scenario
The death of Murphy was a major part of what set up the original film. It stayed with me throughout the film. This remake undersold that aspect. The torture before the final kill shot in the edited TV version of the original where Murphy looks at Clarence before getting shot in the head was better too. He died with his eyes open too.
The fact that it ends with him becoming Robodad was a real downer. No sense of loss gave it a Scooby Doo wrap up that steals from the fact that he can no longer be the human he once was.
Robocop 1987 is one of the few perfect movies that exist and certainly don't need a remake.
It's always funny how a story that's very anticapitalism ends up being a vehicle for corporate greed.
@@Craxin01 it wasn't an anti capitalist film, you literally missed the whole god damn point. By the way: capitalism is the power of choice, corporate greed is corporatism which stems from the abuse of that freedom.
@@mr_indie_fan what you are describing is the inevitable path of capitalism
@@mr_indie_fan No, I absolutely did not miss the point. They really were saying capitalism is evil, just look up any interview with Paul Verhoven about Robocop.
Agreed a perfect movie
Nobody is talking about how weak the villains were compared to the original. I think good hero / villain matchups are what makes great action films.
I feel you, man.
It was so disturbing a few years later, seeing Randall had survived after all, and was raising a son named Eric in suburbia, under the name Red Foreman.
Yeah the worst villain was the stupid soldier captain dude. Whatever his name is. He's basically the antagonistic frenemy. Made it a work movie. As in "yeah I hate my coworker too"
Every major casting choice was very good in the original.
@@joshuakarr-BibleMan
Who's Randall?
@@didamnesia3575 Worst thing, the only reason why he was a villain was because of his opinion that robots were better than humans (and honestly, he wasn't wrong). While in the original the story was about a cop doing his job despite corporate interference, this was the equivelant of a guy shooting up his workplace.
Making Robocop act completely human defeats the entire point of calling him "Robocop"
The whole point of Robocop was that his humanity was subtle
I always tought that a gunshot wound to the had lobotomized him and thats why he acts so robotic.
i wouldn't say that it was subtle, so much as it was his own humanity trying to claw itself free from the robotic shell he was put in
The 2014 Robocop movie had the EXACT SAME plot and chronology of that live-action Inspector Gadget movie; honestly watch it and it is uncanny
Adding it to the watchlist.
Tbh it reminded me heavily of the a new-ish judge dredd movie I'd seen near the time that was equally disappointing.. Think the fim was just called Dredd
You have to admit the remake silver body looked incredible. Shame that the generic black body was the main one.
probably why they did it. Mgm executives said "he needs to look black and tactical" so like show the silver one and then have the art lampoon it by having Keaton want the same thing.
damn i liked the black one
Cause Black Lives matter
Movie releases, next board the Deputy Vice President of MGM accosts a junior board memory in the bathroom: "Who cares if the movie works!!"
THIS!!!!!!
I re-watched the remake of RoboCop yesterday, and I've twigged on something about the original that I never noticed before.
It's a very, very subtle character device that puts the viewer into the mind of RoboCop himself that was totally overlooked in the remake.
In the remake, there are a number of problems with RoboCop himself.
He's a regular guy, in a robotic suit. He knows who he is, what has happened... and has to deal with it. RoboCop himself, always referred to as "Alex", being a regular guy in a suit is a bland character played blandly by Kinnaman.
The main thing though...
You meet Alex Murphy's family. You see their struggle against the corporate big-wigs and their lawyers.
In the original, RoboCop is completely mind-wiped and has to figure out what has happened and why, and he has an internal struggle piecing together what he has been turned into... and... most importantly... you never meet his wife and son.
All you see are flash memories of them. A quick memory here, a vague memory there... allowing RoboCop to piece together that he once had a life, he was once alive.
This disconnection between the viewer and Alex's family...
... puts the viewer bang into the middle of the mindset of (what is left of) Alex Murphy.
In his own words, he even says "Murphy had a wife and son, what happened to them?".
He has accepted he is no longer Alex Murphy... but that he once was Alex Murphy and he has that loss to deal with.
He then says "I can feel them, but I can't remember them".
This, is the major, overlooked point of RoboCop... the viewer not ever meeting his family, means the viewer understands RoboCop's viewpoint... and is connected emotionally to RoboCop's/Alex's plight.
this got me thinking about how we are put in the mind of robocop when we see his wife and child. Who were they, what were they like, how old are they, etc. RoboCop's flashbacks to his previous life are some of the most jarring because we see them but know almost nothing about them.
In many movies the audience is told more than the main character. In some other movies we'd spend time going back and forth between the family and the main character learning more and more about both. Avoiding that in the original Robocop is very powerful.
I know I'm not really adding much.
I want to say i thought you had a great comment.
@@killaken2000 His wife (maybe widow since he is legally dead) DOES visit him in the sequel. Its a VERY sad scene.
And there is a whole symbolic regaining of his humanity in the form of his helmet. When we wakes up as a machine the helmet is almost always on then as Murphy gets more and more of his humanity/memories back he wears the helmet less and less until the final act when he doesn't wear it at all.
In the remake he slides the thing on and off like a pair of sunglasses.
In it's core, I think it's about the struggle to regain ones humanity.
I agree with you but we did meet Alex's wife after she complained that Robocop was stalking her and his son
If a movie is already perfect why make a Re-make 😭, I'll hate to see a Back to the Future Re-make
"I'd buy that for a dollar!" is one of the best movie lines of all time to me and I still say it to this day! 🤣
This remake didn't truly understand what made Paul Verhoeven's film special: it was a social satire about the corruption of the police force, the weaponization of it, and corporate greed and selfishness of the people funding it. That's why this and films like "Starship Troopers" and "Total Recall" can never be remade with the same magic.
Maybe it did understand but wanted to be its own thing.
Chasing nostalgia in something new only leads to your own disappointment.
Your comment is literally what they say in video lmao.
Prime example how people in comments summarize video and act like it's adding something🤣
there are absolutley elements of clear satire in the remake. theyre just alot less transgressive and alot less funny.
@@ripman21 If they wanted to ignore the core of what made Robocop so iconic and special then they should have made a new property. Robocop isn't Robocop without the social commentary/satire of policing and corporate greed.
I will not put Starship Troopers at the same level of Robocop and Total Recall. That movie is absolute garbage.
There should be a law against remaking Verhoeven's movies. It is impossible to meet the expectations.
Personally, I LOVED both the 1987 original film of "Robocop" as well as the 2014 remake, too. After all, as a fan of science-fiction along with the genre dealing with social issues, those movies were wonderful and unique in their own way. I know that some people DO NOT like the remake for various reasons and that is understandable, but I have NO problem with the 2014 film as a way of providing at least some good entertainment anyway just like the 1987 original as well.
Saw both in cinema when it opened and loved both but honestly the original was friggin amazing for an 80s movie before CGI. The reason is it was fresh and original back in the day but nowadays our expectations are much higher. Also the baddie was so much more memorable in the original.
@@jonfreeman9682 - Well, I agree with you definitely. Very good comment as well. By the way, "the baddie" from the 1987 film, were you referring to either Ronny Cox or Kurtwood Smith? Just curious.
Our higher expectations are indeed a problem when it comes down to such things, i loved the original and the 2014 remake, though personally I wouldn’t call it a remake, I would think of it as a new take on the robocop name, a new story to be told, a much more realistic look at our future, i was never bothered by the cgi, just like how they used the techniques they had available back in the 90s and 80s we now have the tech to make it look more real, but people will always complain, and yes the 2014 movie had its problems, im not going to deny that but i still liked it and still wanted more of that version.
@@Teddy-P Well, I guess I can agree with you somewhat on the issue of the two "Robocop" films and I appreciate your comment anyway.
The remake was a decent movie. If the original didn't exist. Ultimately 80s remakes are just bland. Starsky & hutch the A team to name a few. Like dude you have the blueprint right there!.
The extreme opposite of Dredd (2012).
Dredd wasn't really a remake.
@@HappyCynic No but you get the idea.
Man, Dredd 2012 kicked ass.
Dredd was what Robocop 2013 should be
I wipe my ass on that movie
Robocop remake was completely forgetful. If anyone saw the directors cut of the original RoboCop, omg you completely understand who Alex is and the insane torture he went through. Everything about the original was well thought out and you cared about the character. You also hated the bad guys in that movie. It was perfect.
Problem with the remake is that it isn’t violent enough. When human Murphy got gunned down but his armor kept him alive, man that shit was mega uncomfortable to watch. The new movie had to keep a soft rating and is so soft in comparison.
@@PJMontoya no joke, they shot him like 50 times with bird shot just to torture him. Then original directors cut was so violent it had to be cut down just to get it to R. It was straight up violent torture porn.
@@cranbers I don’t really know shotgun shells but I think they were using whatever shells you’d use to rob a bank. They completely took his arm off! I didn’t even know there was a director’s cut, now I have something to look forward to watching 👍!
@@cranbers Verhoeven has been accused of treating his actors like props, but I think he really wanted you to see what an utterly wretched, malevolent piece of shit Clarence Boddicker was. I watched the original when I was 12, and it was both brilliant and horrific. The level of violence blew me away, and that scene with the guy who has his face half-melted by chemicals traumatized me. I was too young to appreciate the vicious satire and social commentary, but man... it was one hell of a ride and it stayed with me for a long time afterwards. (Also, my parents had no idea I'd seen the movie, and would have been horrified at the time.) The stop-motion stuff has not aged well at all, but Weller and Smith both gave monstrously good performances throughout.
@@PJMontoya Directors cut was just a whole lot more bloody and grusome. Some of the scenes make you go wowa, the tv edited versions is the same movie but they took out a few seconds here and there in the most grusome scenes, him being shot up is the one that got the most cut out.
Really well presented mate, well done
1. Development help
2. Director vision vs studio vision
3. Pg 13
the movie was awesome.
AWFUL REMAKE❤
@@only257
Amazing remake.
The central theme of Robocop was the brutal death of Murphy, his transformation into Robocop, his slow discovery in realizing who he was, and then him taking sweet revenge against his killers with the help of Louis.
In the end, he smiles recognizing himself as not as just Robocop but as Officer Murphy.
@@jasonlee9163 Definitely less interesting as an approach
Original Robocop is a brilliant American Jesus allegory.
Brutal death and "transformation" are not just plot devices.
“Nice shooting, son. What’s your name?”
“Murphy…”
There’s no replacing the original. It had that …it. Call it lightning in a bottle, or whatever, but you can still sense it to this day when rewatching it.
great video... but please, what is the music at the end?
I was 10 when the original came out and it was the first movie i watched on tape.
After watching the remake I had to watch back the original cause it's so much better than can't match it
Lol
A point missing here that also led to the movie's failure: this new version simply did not understand the original character.
The original Robocop underwent a memory wipe prior to deployment, which is why Peter Weller played him with little emotion.
The fact that he retained the gun spin that Murphy practiced for his kid was an unexpected anomaly, meant to show that the memory wipe wasn't complete.
Robocop had to learn to recover his memories, from the starting point of being a mindless machine, working to reclaim his humanity.
This new version has him behaving like... an ordinary person, right from the beginning with zero character growth.
I actually went and revisited the original film in the days leading up to this reboot coming out, and I was pleasantly surprised to find out just how well it held up after so many years 😊
Right up there with Terminator, Predator and Aliens. Certified classic.
Great films will always hold up
Peter Weller's acting with a stone face mouth and his eyes covered is underappreciated.
"I'd buy that for a dollar!"
@@prion42
Kurtwood Smith as Clarence Boddicker was AWESOME! He was a maniac and the fact that it was R rated allowed him to be a better villain. He wasn't a dumb villain either. I can't stand dumb villains. Let the protagonist overcome a smart villain with good writing. The whole movie showed the dystopia of where the world was (and is) moving toward.
Trying to remake a masterpiece is artistic suicide
that said.. ROUGE CITY as a game is a ROBOCOP game and story. bridges RoboCOp 2 and 3.. and borrows elements from the 94 tv show. but is the game we wanted even back in the days of AMiga.. and for the first time you get to play properly Alex Murphy as robocop with a great story
If the success of 'Robocop: Rogue City' was a strong indicator of ANYTHING; then it would remind us why it is so damn important for us stick with the original source material! 🤨
The original film is so unique and one of a kind .
The newer version was interesting in it own right. . The new film wasn't bad. However it just didn't capture anything of the central emotional relationship. violence , dark humor and satire of the original masterpiece.
The original is emotional and is just amazing.
yeah i dont hate the new one
@@WJACOTT I agree. I edited my comment slightly. I liked things about that Robo Cop film. It's difficult to critique , they put alot of effort into the updated movie.
Paul's original movie was so original and shocking.. I recall. Was very unique
Unique trash ,yes
@@Realkeepa hehe. True
They took a cyberpunk movie with a message and turned it into just another dumb action movie.
That human hand will never NOT bother me
i had to watch this episode of youtube to finally make the conection with the movie "we will always have an human hand pulling the trigger". now it does not bother me.
Lose the arm
@@CoryPchajek Why do you think the military is trying to recruit from social segments that have never shown any interest in the military? Because the "classic" military type (Southern rural white boys) has strong cultural and familial ties to precisely the social elements that the military knows it will eventually be tasked to suppress.
They're hoping to get "ambiguous" people -- no gender, no race, no religion, no patriotism, no culture other than whatever the media decree to be trendy -- so the human hand on the "approve" button will always do exactly what the Pentagon "suits" want done.
@@EmanuelCampos if it was Murphy was rge original color from the 80’s the hand may not stand out as much but in the black suit it say this is a guy in a suit playing an android even though I understand the in universe explanation for the human hand
Chekov's hand
By the way, José is pronounced like Joseph not like in spanish.
Great video!
The new Robocop lacked Clarence Boddicker and Dick Jones.
I mean, Kurtwood Smith and Ronny Cox knocked it out of the park with their performances. Not many actors were that believably, deliciously evil.
the original was a masterpiece on many levels, hard to beat it, probably impossible.
there are a few great moments in the new one though, namely when they show him what 'remained' of him... thats simply frightening and fantastic scene.
the 1980's ed 209 looked more badass somehow the new one looks kind of fake to be honest
@@raven4k998 agreed both the original ed209 & the robocop designs are iconic, as they are, perfect. it completely suits the age as well, 80s dystopia, with a decaying Detroit as an environment, they are clearly products of their environment.
@@raven4k998 The new Ed and Robocop move 'too naturally', like they are not robotic at all but living creatures. Even though Robocop has a human mind he would still be limited by the mechanical way the body would move, and the original played pretty heavily on this point.
@@sprinkle61 yeah by using stop motion which not only gives it stiff rigid motion but also gives it a somewhat threatening and nightmarish effect (which is especially great for the failed Robocop successors in Robocop 2)
If I was Robocop and they showed me that what little that remained of me didn't include my penis, I would be hysterical.
The original RoboCop was grungy dark and showed a future you don't want. Everything was super amped up it left you with a feeling of hopelessness for what's to come. The violence hit hard and the way it was shot made it that much more creepy and unforgettable.
yeah, the remake was just a cash cow to rake in the money it was not true to the original which is why it sucked badly
The remake is a reminder of the hopelessness and bleak reality we face now with rampant censorship and death of edgy politically incorrect humor.
@@hdofu well said
@@secoTheSonicFan yeah but it was to serious remember the original was like luny tunes did they do crazy thing like have a meganavolt security system for you car or a nuclear apocalypse game the whole family can play nope nothing crazy like that or the ed 209 blast some to oblivion nope
Yeah, i can never forget that superbad
stop motion in the 1987 shitshow.
Original Robocop along with 300 and Rambo: First Blood, are among my all time favorite movies
Does no one remember the sequel miniseries? RoboCop: Prime Directives.
That was good stuff.
Also, the tv show was a fun watch. I liked the intro music.
I saw the original when I was 7 or 8 years old. It was a brutal film. Even I got it. Not sure why it's hard for filmmakers to make films like the ones in the 80s and 90s.
I saw it when I was 17 and was quite shocked at the level of and the casualness of the violence. I later learned that it was originally going to be a Judge Dredd movie but had been re-written due to budget and technical constraints and I recognised it entirely, it was just like reading a Dredd story storyline out of 2000AD, Clarence Bodicker's gang could have been plucked straight out of Megacity one.
The studios have been pretty much unwilling to give a film a major budget if the audience is limited smaller than PG13 since the 90s
I was 12 and I was shocked! Brave 8 year old.
Because the advent of social media gives power to masses via public opinions, review bombing, political correctness and cancel culture, it gets harder to make a movie without compromising on vision, being afraid that you might offend the vocal snowflake majority that might cancel you and affect your sales.
This movie is prime example of playing it very safe, and thus, unremarkable.
Because now they have green screen technology which makes everything look shiny and fake and we have to bow down to political correctness films can no longer be R rated anymore you might hurt some demographics feelings somewhere. I also saw this film when I was 8 years old and it honestly shows you how being shot actually feels let alone being blasted at close range with a shotgun. The casting in the original was great. I will wait until my kids are older to see the original.
In the original, Bob Morton literally mocks them for considering keeping one of his arms. In the Remake, they kept one of his hands for no reason. It's like they didn't even watch the original movie.
Its not his real hand. It's a robot hand just like his left hand. Only made to look like a human hand. His real hand would have rotten and fallen off. And the hand was there as a reason. To make him appear more human. That having been said its a shitty PG13 bore-fest.
Let's not forget that Paul Verhoeven was an absolute genius director, one of the few of all time. Very few can touch his vision, no matter how good they are. RoboCop 1987 was made in a different era largely before corporate meddling in films, and Verhoeven was given lots of freedom to make what he wanted. If nothing else, I would advise future directors of remakes of R-rated films to not dumb down or blunt the material for "modern audiences." Don't use CGI where practical effects would look much better, and don't cut out the visceral violence of the original just to appeal to a wider audience.
There are even some MORONS out there, who actually prefer the remake all just because they think it had better CGI and visual effects... 🤨
Like SERIOUSLY???
That would be like sayin' Metropolis (1927) should've been tailored to appeal more towards audiences from 2027.
These hopeless morons seem to think that the whole entire 'Robocop' franchise should've been based on the remake, or whatever time period/era that THEY came from!
I just wonder, who came up with that kinda ASS-BACKWARDS way of thinking? 🤔
'Low budget attempts at TV show reboots'
well worth keeping in mind that the Robocop TV series in 1994 had a huge budget per episode for the time and partially the reason why it wasn't renewed.
Kurtwood Smith as Clarence Boddicker was one of the great villain performances (not to mention some other terrific performances). He is impossible to replace. It would be like remaking No Country for Old Men without Javier Bardem playing Anton Chigurh or Silence of the Lambs without Anthony Hopkins or Jodie Foster. All you could hope for was a pale imitation.
Just give me my fucking phone call.
@@ShantyIrishman Oooh. Guns, guns, guns! C'mon, Sal! The Tigers are playing tonight. I never miss a game.
Bitches leave
"Bitches leave". 'Nuff said.
Can you FLYYYYY Bobby?🤣🤣
Robocop was not suposed to be a succesfull comercial movie: it was rated R, had gore, social comentary and it was campy but also serious, but it was so damn good that became succesful.
In the remake, they tried to mimic its success but in th oposite way: they made it pg-13, had anything interesting to say and it took itself so seriously making it boring af.
I presume you mean it wasn't supposed to be a commercial success. Is that true though? I don't remember that having been said at the time. I think they understood they'd lose some audience by being R. But they definitely intended to be a commercial success. And they were one. But I agree with the rest of this comment.
Granted, I think they didn't expect to be as big a hit as they were. But the best movies don't expect that. I think the worst movies happen when the filmmakers go into a project thinking "this is guaranteed to be huge", and then they're paying so much attention to their own expected success that they forget the part about making a good show.
@@ronaldbell7429 Thats what I wrote: it wasnt supossed to. And not by the filmakers, its just a formula that usually doesnt work in Hollywood. I mean most of early Scorcesse films were a box office disapointments. My point is, Robocop was a bold move that paid off, while the remake try the opposite by going with an easy route.
Original cut was rated x. LEWIS gets raped by that black gangster but they scrapped it.
They left his line in the move tho.-
"She was sweet"
It's kind of like a PG-13 Terminator film like WTF are you kidding me.... Are you trying to have fans and viewers not watch your film way to go!!!!!!!
@@bartsullivan4866 I posted above that making a PG13 movie in a franchise where the rest are all rated R is a DEATH SENTENCE and I am amazed that movie makers are STILL willing to French Kiss the rectums of the religious A$$hole$ who run the TOTALLY OUTDATED DINOSAUR that we call the "movie ratings board".
That original concept of humanity relearning morality from robocop in the distant future actually sounds kind of interesting. What a shame they didn't go with that.
Especially if it's like a sequel to the originals. I love myself some continuity.
I found it very disturbing. It sets a future Earth in which people are aware that their morals are aweful and want to be better, but at the same time are so incapable of actually getting how they should behave that they literally cannot act morally without a model.
If they lacked morals to the point of not even being able to figure out what is moral or isn't, first how do they know they are immoral in the first place, and how do they know that Robocop was/is?
To my knowledge, only religious fanatics are so absolutely convinced that moral conduct require a model, and that's because their religion is built around a self-claimed moral model in the first place.
its a really fascinating concept, but it is SOO far from the original movie it is barely a robocop movie
Weird however. I'm no philosopher, but I think you already must have some form of morality if you're realizing that you need it. It's not like it's so hard to understand how fairness and kindness work.
The old Robocop was amazing, saw it in theaters when I was in the 3rd grade :D. Loved it. It was time before focus groups, franchise future planning, push for PG ratings and all that crap. It was not afraid to be bold and it delivered. The new Robocop went through the pipeline, and it showed.
The scene When the cops cornered robocop in the parking lot and started to open fire on him is better then the whole 2014 movie i still tear up to this day from that scene
A bit sad you didn't said anything about Padilla's movies. He is an awesome director and Tropa de Elite is shockingly relevant in terms of concept and social commentary, in a way that is very coherent with a Robocop story.
They screwed up the casting, changed the story and screwed up the villain…plus they made it PG13!! Also, MGM was and always has been run by Bankers desperate to avoid bankruptcy
Wait what’s wrong with the casting?
"MGM was and always has been run by Bankers desperate to avoid bankruptcy" I would like more info about this
@@BasedSif I am Not a fan of Joel Kinnamon (outside of the 2021 Suicide Squad, maybe)….thought he was miscast in the movie….thought Michael Keaton was not the right choice either, despite the fact I really like him…I thought, actually, Bryan Cranston would have made a better choice, or maybe Chris Cooper
@@TonyJuanPailos they’ve been in and out of bankruptcy something like six times since the mid 1980’s…they kept getting stripped for parts, then they’d get new financing, make a few movies, go bankrupt…lather, rinse, repeat….
The reason this and so many remakes fail is for the fact they're usually unnecessary in the first place. Movies that are considered classics or have a cult following are already perfect. Trying to make another version will almost always be a failure because you are never going to recapture all the right elements that came together that first time.
Something I'd see as an exception is when the director comes back to remake their film to take advantage of newer innovations in technology or cinematography.
This was what happened with Ben-Hur and The Ten Commandments. Both were silent-era classics remade by their directors to take advantage of color and sound respectively, resulting in the remakes becoming classics themselves by virtue of having the same talent behind the camera.
I had heard a lot of bad things about this movie but I liked it. It had less humor and took itself more seriously but it also told a decent story. The bad guys were much more morally gray than the original. I hope that they make a sequel someday but most likely we will get another reboot.
I miss when Verhoeven made action sci-fi satires.
I'm one of those who really loves the first Robocop movie, and i was also among few in my circuit who really understood that movie, and the underlying message it tells. Not to mention it's a satire. Most of the people at my age (about 11-14) at the time, only saw the movie for it's action scenes, and completely missed what the movie was trying to do, but it still kicked ass for them, as the action in the first Robocop was top notch, and brutal beyond belief.
So I'm a big fan of the first film, and i hated all the sequels. But, i do not hate the Robocop remake. I went in with an open mind, and i did NOT anticipate anyone trying to have the balls to replicate the first one in any way, those who try will fail miserably, as Verhoeven made that film close to perfection.
And as i was glad to see, the remake didn't try to remake the first one, it's just another movie about cyborg cop, with a different story and an insanely cool looking armor i might add. The remake can't touch the first one, but it was sure entertaining, and no where near as flawed as so many try to convince me it was. Nothing can ever replace the movie Verhoeven made, and no one will ever dear to try either, as it will be a career ending achievement.
the second film was a failure, but it did have the most nietzsche thing ever: an overman burning out his own morality in order to self-actualize
I'd never really thought about it that way before, but even as someone born in the late 90s I understand what you mean. It epitomized the 80s as much as any stereotypes that have been passed on to me, but it also felt kind of... self aware. Like, even in the 80s it knew that shooting a rapist in the dick was absurd, but it does it so well that it just works.
Robocop was based on Judge Dredd the main character strip from the highly satirical and ultra-violent UK comic 2000AD. Paul Verhoven rewrote the character from an unstoppable future lawman from a fascist post-apocalyptic Earth loosely based on Dirty Harry and a satire of US society into a near future Detroit because he didn't have the budget to create a Megacity 1. Frankly with the SFX techniques available in the 80s this was a wise choice as well as the fact that a near future Detroit is more relatable to the audience than a fantasy future from a comic that is fairly niche even in it's home market.
The remake was shit. You know nothing about Robocop if you think the remake was good.
I also love the original and I like the reboot. I can enjoy both for different reasons. 🙂
nothing can top the scene in the original when Robocop first arrives at the station and they are walking him to his chair than jumps to the gun range and we see the auto 9 in action for the first time, FUCKIN AWESOME!!!!
That build up was also a key reason why that movie worked better. You didn't just immediately see him. Verhooven built up the anticipation of seeing him.
It’s SUPERCOP!!
Look at that FUCKING GUN 😂
I often say the original Robocop is one of my favourite films ever and people who haven't seen it think i'm joking, but everyone who has seen it knows how clever and brilliant it is!
Woah, I'm gonna need you to reevaluate what you said of Joel's acting.
Peter weller spent more time training to move in character than the filmmakers spent making this one
yup, seem like it.
I never thought "that's a great performance" I just bought it as "yeah, that's a cyborg".
@@Treblaine and that's how you know it's a great performance.
lol, this comment is an exageration and a false take on what every fan knows: he prepared for a light costume, imaging that Robocop'd have been super fast and all his training went down to the toilet the day he was in full suit for the first time; basically he had to improvise.
@@scaccu yes that happened. But he did great work and he was awesome iconic. Even his movement in the suit was noteworthy. Here we are 30 years later talking about it across the world The new one does not have that type of impact
This is another movie that everyone hated that I thoroughly enjoyed. I was really hoping for more, but it crashed so hard when it came out, I knew it would never see any sequels.
I actually like the 2014 remake. Sure it wasn't as good as that 1987 original but was still entertaining and fun as hell to watch. Was so looking forward to a sequel.
I completly agree with you. Now a days the movie are not as good
I would've been on board with a Robocop movie where OCP has rebuilt Delta City and built multiple Robocops and one of them goes bad. It would've been nice to have a 'spin off sequel' with Peter Weller returning as the senior Robocop and he takes a newly built Robocop who was a police officer to show him the ropes. I don't know how else they could do the plot but mixing it up with some of the old actors from the movies, keeping it rated "R" and have blood squibs is part of what I enjoyed from the first and second movie. An angry cyborg police officer who has anger management who is angry at OCP would be a very dangerous individual and if he has the means and actions to re-program ED-209s that would make an interesting villain and bad guy.
The new Robocop movie was a good film but Peter Weller did a good job at showing us the weight of the Robocop body by moving slow and restrictive in his arms and legs while the new Robocop moved quickly and did jumps in the air and was light as a feather. It's not a bad thing it's just not what I expected from watching the 1980s original. To me, it felt like I was re-watching Tron Legacy. Nothing about the movie felt like a cyborg in the real world. He just looked like a man in a Tron Suit running around in a Matrix movie with emotion. Robocop didn't have any emotion when he was activated. He was pretty much a robot and had to discover his humanity. Which is what I really liked and I was happy he got some of it back by the end of the movie.
I'd argue that Robocop never even needed sequels or a franchise. It's a perfectly contained story on its own.
Not a very hot take lol. Not a soul would complain if the first was all we ever got
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I would. I wanted more and the second film is underrated imo.
And still doesn't need them or a reboot/make. It's time for the Hollywood laziness to finally die and come up with new IP
No, the robocop franchise will go on not as sequel nor reboot but spinoff where the next cyborg will not be murphy but another cop severely wounded by drugs cartel that expanded to cyberpunk bankrupt Detroit. The new movie would revolve around zero tolerance cyborg android cops using technology to fight serious violence.
@@adudesthoughts7748 What sucks is that Robocop 3 actually had some very good elements to it, but it was marred with the low rating and toilet humor. The complete breakdown of Detroit, becoming more of a warzone. A militarized "police" force taking people from their homes. I think there was a genuine attempt at a conflict with Robocop, his programming and wanting to make his own decisions. "Hey, McDagget killed my partner, but I can't do anything because he's OCP".
But, as Nostalgia Critic once said (on the topic of Batman Forever): Safe and marketable.
I feel like the remake tried to tap Robocop 3 more than the original.
There's only one solution, and that's to make a film adaptation of Frank Miller's ROBOCOP VS TERMINATOR!
YES!!!! I didn't know I needed that but now I do.
They will screw it up. Enless the guy from Judge dredd makes it.
And Paul verhoevan as director
I think that ship has sailed...aka it's 20-something years too late to pull this off (and not completely ruin it from the get-go).
@@aadithnarayanan3880 he's 83 now so we have to hurry!
For me, what made the original RoboCop a shining S-tier movie was the emotional side of it, especially when RoboCop becomes interested in his human past and the fate of his family. I genuinely bawled my eyes out at the scene where he walks to his home and reminisces his family life there. His search to connect with his family is shortly touched upon in the 2nd and 3rd movies but immediately forgotten.
Some say that RoboCop never needed a sequel, but I think RoboCop would've needed a sequel specifically focusing on that side of his post-robo life. But if it's not Paul Verhoeven, Basil Poledouris, Peter Weller and the 80s, it's no-one and never.
I was actually very surprisingly impressed at how good this film was , I was expecting it to be rubbish and avoided it for years until I thought I’d give it a try. When I watched it, I thought it was brilliant. Very underrated film in my opinion. Not a classic like the original but because I went in with no expectations I was very pleasantly surprised.
I loved it too
I can see how he wasn't as great in this, but Joel Kinnaman himself is an awesome actor. I freaking love him in Altered Carbon, so much that it took me a couple years to watch the second season since he wasn't in it.
Me Too!! That first season was Great!@!@
Funny how Joel K embodied the main character to me, hard to replace - sort of like Karma Justice for the star trying to replace Peter Weller didn't work : )
Joel kinnaman is a woke pc elite asswipe and i hope he never returns to sweden.
Gotta replace the white man with the black guy!! Modern Hollywood
Frankly, I liked him better in this on a second watch. He's clearly trying to do a lot with a little. You can't replace Peter Weller but I think the main problem was the story/writing.
Man, I barely liked altered carbon season 1. But preferred season 2. Felt more emotional weighted
I will be honest, I never even knew there was a Robocop remake.
Fascinating.
I remember watching Jeremy Jahns' review of the movie, where he jokingly called the new version of Robocop 'ninja cop'. The studio probably should have made THAT movie instead.
It’s not as bad as some people make it out to be. I think it’s worth the watch if you get the chance
@@gilet102 First RoboCop is one of my favourite films and I fully agree with you
Another Verhoeven film, Total Recall, was remade as well. Looks completely ridiculous and unnecessary. I have no idea why people remake things that can't hope to match the originals. Why not remake bad or poorly made films instead?
@@wet-read I'm not sure anyone really hope to make a reboot of RoboCop as great as the first one, the bar is really, really high with 35 years of worshipping. Thing is though, some of us want new RoboCop movies. IMO, this reboot was far more than OK, it did the job for me, it tried to modernise the formula, and I think it worked. Maybe if people weren't so quick to complain, more liberties would have been given to the director for a second one.
Great Video! I've seen some bad movies in my time but this remake was just insulting! Great Job! 🤖
Excellent video thank you!
If it was a new movie with no previous films, it would have been a currant day standard action film. It is nearly impossible to really remake or modernize a story, as shown by just about every remake or reimagining of any classic story.
This is why fantastic writing, new ideas and the right people to execute the story are such a rarity, like a rough gem being cut by a master.
Saying that it's nearly impossible to really remake or modernize a story isn't just wrong, it's ahistorical. Tons of stories have been remade and modernized for thousands of years.
The thing is, as far as I'm concerned, I didn't want a modernized Robocop, I'm not after a superhero, I wanted a more realistically slow and heavy Robocop but perfect marksman and pretty much bullet proof. Like before
In fairness, Sams remake of Shaft is pretty excellent!
The 1987 ROBOCOP is iconic when I watched the 2014 version I knew that it wasn’t going to be a success as the first one. Peter Weller always will be my Alex J. Murphy aka ROBOCOP
I don't remember a single bad guy from this. Clarence Boddicker was a legend.
In the original film Murphy had his jaw exposed but it wasn’t his weakness (as it wasn’t his own jaw, but rather a robotic part with his own skin spread over it). I haven’t watched the remake but from what I can see here the new Murphy still has his normal human head, so exposing his jaw would make zero sense. The filmmakers of the remake completely misunderstood even the design of the original. 🤦🏻♂️
The era when families watched movies together on TV. I wasn't even born when it was first released in 1987. I watched it around the late 90s. Even though I was a kid I remember I was so excited and wanted to know more about scifi and AI. All the best. From London.
I bought my youngest brother (by 12 years) to see it on its release - it blew both of us away. A few years ago when his eldest (yep, my nephew) was 8, he let HIM see it ("Just don't tell your mudder!"). Naturally it also blew him away (poster of ED-209 now pride-of-place on his wall). 'Nuff said.
"The real world equivalent of OCP now owns Alex Murphy." man, I need a beer after that sentence
I'd say that the original was a dive into the pool that is a dystopian future regaining it's humanity
While the reboot merely dipped it toes into the water and got scared
Calling Robocop a "vigilante fighting corporate greed" is a funny joke considering he doesn't do that at all in the first movie, which is the one everyone likes
Indeed. At the end of the film, nothing has changed. OCP is still doing its thing, Robocop is still their property and is never getting his original life back. It was a personal journey, Murphy rediscovering his humanity and taking revenge on the ones who murdered him.
@@dianabarnett6886 In fact, Murphy did exactly what OCP built him for -- reducing crime in Old Detroit so OCP could go ahead with Delta City.
As a bonus, he cleared out a subversive element within OCP, making them more efficient and helping secure the chairman's control of the company, AND generated tremendous PR value among the populace.
Or the second film. He was mostly fighting drug dealers except the quickly resolved subplot regarding his programming changes.
He's a cop trying to do his job, despite corporate interference. In the remake, he's a guy who shoots up his workplace. He's more vigilante in the remake than he is in the original.
@@dianabarnett6886 Robocop is a revenge story built around other revenge stories.
When you feel you need to attempt to 'reimagine' a cult classic, you've probably already failed.
The remake felt like Disney made it lol
And it gender the real strong female character Louis with a black man. That makes no sense.
MGM is a Disney subsidiary
@@biguy617 Ill be honest I wouldn´t mind male black lewis if he had at least some charisma like the original lewis, sadly he fell short (in charisma and screen time) and I got stuck with a bland sidekick and a cowboy cop main character.
@@ayar2 the original Lewis was played by the Bitch from Carrie. She is an awesome actress.
I've noticed this trend, with MOST of the remake movies, if they are bad, it's because of the corporate organizations behind them changing things or not allowing creative freedom to the director
A great example of both of your points would be the amazing spider-man films.
They usually do the remake right before they lose the rights, so they push out crap.
I don't know what caused it, but the pink panther reboots are all beyond awful and nowhere near the original movies.
Most of the remakes these days are built around spreading T H E M E S S A G E. It never was about the money.
For what it was worth... I liked it. In fact it made my collection. I feel that NO REMAKE will ever be as good as the original for those of us who were there for it. However, there is some entertainment to be had revisiting those old stories being "retold"
1987 VERSION IS THE BEST ENOU GH SAID❤
The point is: Original Robocop wasn't an action film, but a satirical drama with doses of dark humor . The remake was neither. And that pg-13 was de last nail in the coffin.
The original Robocop was unique because of Paul Verhoeven. The man literally translated the nihilism, societal decay and brutality he went through during WW2 to film that touched a dark core in it's audience.
The remake was also missing a true villain, it's largest flaw I think. It had some cookie-cutter bad guys, but not true villain. The big bad guy (Keaton) wasn't that much of a bad-guy, sure, he developed into a criminal, but he couldn't hold Dick Jones' beer (which was a waste because Keaton could have easily amped it up).
Even more importantly, in that vein, in the original, Clarence Boddicker was a nasty piece of work that you truly hated to his core. But he was also intimidating, and despite the fact he had no physical presence he was scary AF because he had no fear and wasn't afraid to go to any length to do his business, and he was a true threat to RoboCop.
They didn't need to clone the villains, but they needed villains that were up to that level.
I hate when people are blinded by nostalgia and will disregard the medium because they're stuck in the past.
Had an idea where ED209 roaring instead of the Lion roaring would be a great bonus scene or Easter Egg!
3:15 I love how causal you made it sound that he just left to make Black Swan
Showing human hand on the new suit made it look like a Halloween costume
If the recent success of 'Robocop: Rogue City' was a strong indicator of ANYTHING; then it would remind us why it is so goddamn important to stick with the original source material! 🤨
All they had to do was include the "id buy that for a dollar scene"
I actually worked as a background actor for this movie back in 2012. I was paid for 8 hours of work when I actually worked on set for about 3 to 4. They had me wear a surgical mask and had me dressed up in pink. It was the scene in the Chinese factory where Robocop starts running into the fields.
Pretty gay bro.
Liar
@@steamdeckers4405 I still have the prop ocp I.D. card from the set, you fruit loop
@@tinlunlau1 Lmfao that retort.
Want a medal?
The original was a lot darker and more brutal plus futuristic films back then were a lot different compared to futuristic films now if that makes sense, I never finished the reboot it was that bad.
I laughed when he goes back to his family home and says hello to his kid like nothing has happened.
well for me the 2014 Robocop is a good movie. I like Murphy's expression when Dr Norton showed him remains of his human body organ for the first time. it shows Murphy is still 100% human even though almost 80% of him has been replaced by machine. And I love the relationship between Murphy and Norton. I really enjoyed the show.
The original Robocop knew what it was and wore that with pride. Scathing social commentary with a serious question about if our job defines who we are. But there were some things in it that transcend the time they were made. Take the old Detroit mayor who literally takes over city hall:
"I demand a raise and a recount! And no matter what the result is, I WANT MY OLD JOB BACK! "
Or Dick Jones: "I had an iron clad contract from the government! Training, implementation, spare parts for 5 years... WHO CARED IF it worked or NOT! "
The OG Robocop was timeless, just respect it and leave it alone. It's fine the way it was!
Funny thing about this remake is I hate it but robocops suit is my favorite out of all of them, (specifically the Black Version) I don't know what it is about the thin red visor and the jet black color scheme but I just think it looks so awesome for a character like RoboCop
It's a nice design but it's so bland looking, it's also a trend to make these kind of characters black suited, takes away from what makes him stand out especially the other robots look black and bland too
No
That's the worst part. The main appeal of robocop is that he is clunky. He isn't iron man, he is more like a toy car that will have trouble getting up if it falls on its back. The struggle is what gives him the vulnerability.
Yeah but the silver remake one was pretty cool
Honestly, the suit was the thing that I hated the most about the new movie. Not only does it look rubberish, boring, uninspired and flimsy, but what really grinds my gears is that at the beginning it actually looks really cool and pretty close to the original but then Michael Keaton says that he wants to change it and when the PR guy asks him "why?" (since the suit has been having a lot of acceptance by the public) Keaton says "Dont listen to people, they dont know what they want, lets go with black". That moment was so petty that I turned off the movie.
It's funny how José Padilha's name was pronounced with a spanish accent, rather than a portuguese one. Great video :D
Americans. They don't know any better.
@@pauloportugal1396 I’ve noticed europeans are the same way with spanish names, just completely butcher them but pronounce portuguese perfectly, makes sense geographically
I'm confused. Isn't Spanish and Portuguese darn near similar?
Was happy to see that Red Foreman mellowed out in midlife.
And now we have Robocop Rogue City.
I went to see this movie because of JOSE PADILHA
He directed the Brazillian movie ELITE SQUAD, which is a very influential movie in my country
And with all things considered, I think he did a really good job as a director in ROBOCOP
I really liked his style. I just wish it was R-Rated
Man, i got so disappointed it couldn't be something like tropa de elite, definitely by studio's choice
Where's Baiano?
"Not in the face! So it won't ruin the funeral!".
The remake is pretty good. It just has a different aim as the orginial and deal with the subject in an entirely different way. People are always disappointed by remakes anyways
100000000%
When I heard he was directing I thought, "Holy fucking shit they understand this movie and they totally picked the right director!!!"
You can see glimpses of his vision before the studio shot down his ideas and watered down the violence: the ED-209 unloading on the kid in Tehran, the first shootout when Murphy is still a cop, and the concept of Murphy vs his programming.
Ugh I wish studios would trust their directors more.