#45 - Arnold UK Aftermath | Milos - "I WAS WRONG"
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2022
- Episode 45 - Jay and Matt sit down with Milos Sarcev to dissect 4k footage of the Arnold UK... Also discuss Flex Wheeler Lifetime achievement award, Arnold not showing up to the show, Andrew Jacked potential, and travel nightmares!
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Serious question for you three. what does a man like me have to do to win in such a show? is it even possible? looking at the footage I'm aware of structural insupremecy but size condition posing I feel I was at may current best. is this simply you don't have his shape and cant win? I know i wont ever be Mr Olympia however I feel like id like to have more understanding. Also AJ is my brother and i love him so not trying to say anything negative lol simply asking for my own know how. Always learning. especially after Milos supportive comments which surprised me.
This comment is just another example of what a class act you are, James, and why so many people are invested in your journey. Always looking to better yourself, always open to learning and improving, with no chip on your shoulder. Your showing at this show was incredible and I look forward to seeing you crack that top 10 at the Olympia in the future. Keep doing the UK proud man. I hope to see you compete live for myself one day.
You need more muscle separation imo. And maybe bring your arms up a bit. You looked massively improved at the Arnold and your posing was much better too. I remember Levrone saying insulin caused his muscle separation to diminish. It might be asking a bit much for an open guy but a semi vacuum during the front bi would look sick
You'll get there mate. I thought your legs and traps were great !!
if there was more prize money in this game i would be a promoter like Don King .
Your the man bro !! Total class act
Hi James.
I read this question and of course, I would give you my honest opinion.
And you must understand that this comes from someone like you, that was in a similar situation back in my competitive days.
Back in 90’s - I had Dorian, Flex, Kevin, Shawn, Nasser, Ronnie, Chris, Lee, Paul…to name a few…
You think I was preparing for the shows thinking - I am going to win…and beat all these guys?
No, I didn’t…I knew my place and I was content with battling with them and just being in the mix… hoping that I can catch some of them in some of the shows…
And I did.
I stayed in the “game”, competing for 13 years and having my ass kicked…71 out of 72 times I competed…
Should’ve I quit long before I did?
No way! I had fun…I never felt like a loser..
I understand that some guys consider even second place - being the first loser and their “winners mentality mindset” would dictate that everything except winning is a failure and they don’t train for second place….Well, I did…and enjoyed every moment of it…and I would suggest you to do the same…You are one of the guys…Enjoy your status, position…and fact that you have a huge following - FOR A GOOD REASON.
You are well respected and liked and I am sure you inspire thousands…
To answer your question: what do you need to do to win in such a show - is just to keep bringing your best and try to work on necessary improvements.
You are every bodybuilder's bodybuilder…
We all respect you for being such a hardcore, super strong, super thick, big, muscular, round, powerful guy…
But, as you already mentioned - your “structural insupremecy” will be compared with someone like AJ…and judges will undoubtedly see it.
Considerably wider structure, more pronounced V-taper, visibly more chiseled, striated, fibrotic muscles, shape, aesthetics and wow factor will turn judges heads for sure and how can you expect them not to favor competitor like that?
Should you be discouraged?
Hell no!
You gave a superior guy a run for his money…and beat him for sure in back double biceps pose…and I am sure that many people see you being super competitive in the rear lat spread, side chest and side triceps…and its not like you looked bad in other poses - but you just didn’t win them…
You already won more pro shows than I did…and you are a factor in every show…by all means.
Get your abs deeper (yes you can if you keep doing stretching exercises for depth - like hanging leg raises and high pulley cable crunches - when you stretch in each rep feeling that gap between abs is getting deeper)… focus on expanding a ribcage (loads of pullovers) and learn to get your lats out more in front relax and front double biceps….Try to cover as much space behind you…
I know - It is hard to teach old dog new tricks and I am sure you are used to each and every pose the way you do it…but try to improve on them.
Think of width and whatever you can do to get your lats out to create the biggest V-taper…Imagine if your lats from the front look as wide as rear lat spread…(if you got your lats to be that wide in this pose - there is conformation that in whatever position, whatever you are doing during that pose - you managed to pop them out…so try the same in other poses too…Of course it would be super uncomfortable for a while…until you get it…
Finally, I would keep refining and bringing more striations out…squeezing like a maniac….Of course, it would be practically impossible for you to change your training style as you are a powerhouse and feel alive only if you lift the house of your back…tons of weight…but really - how long do you think your body, tendons, ligaments and muscles will be lucky to avoid injuries, wear and tear…You already have tons of muscle…my suggestion is to refine it…(probably impossible for you to accept….but you asked for my opinion and that’s what I would sincerely tell you to do)…
Be sure that I only wish you the very best…
I am still a fan of the sport and I appreciate you very much…of course - IF I can help you with any advice - I would do it in a heart-beat….thus - as you see - I took the time to answer you here and make it public (even though I am sure some haters will jump to criticize me…but I could care less for that…
Take care!
Amazing reply and advice!
Excellent answer! Its like in football for example, Real Madrid and Man City are the best teams but on a bad day, a less stronger team can still beat them
Milos that was an amazing, thorough response to James,, the more I hear you speak the more impressed and blown away I am by your knowledge and most of all your honesty, you have a new fan! And James if you happen to see this maybe you need a change and Milos might just be that guy,, new set of eyes and training might be what you need!
@@oglanza4451 I know u meant to say Arsenal, but I get it
This interaction right here is why I love the sport. A great competitor of his era talking to one in the mix today. Just excellent. Could we do this 10 or 20 years ago with almost instant feedback, probably not. It's refreshing and helpful. It's welcoming. In all seriousness I really hope Milos does his own show or something. I enjoy listening to him talk from his competitors to even the jokes about diuretics...those are jokes right 🤫. Even if it's a posing seminar or shorts just to give an unknown bodybuilder some air time and have someone who knows the business of bodybuilding show someone how to properly pose like the best to ever do it.
appreciate you Milos x
You looked great buddy. Tighter and you have it all.
'bag of chocolate milk' got the job done.
i think AJ does his side chest that way due to flex, being his mentor who also hit it the same
You beat him in that pose I think… your lower body is far ahead of his.
@@magos_0083 Yep
Man Andrew would be unstoppable once he gets his posing right
I don't know, in my opinion you looked the most complete on that stage, full, and from the back and side you had an edge over the others. Especially your lower back is great, much better than the others. I also see that calves don't matter anymore (AJ has really high insertions and being taller doesn't look too good). Your quads from the front were the best, Aj has no adductor separation at all. I had you first, Martin 2nd, Aj 3 or 4th. Btw, I am not a fan of you, just trying to be as objective as possible.
I believe the hype behind AJ will fade once people will start pointing out his weaknesses more and more if he will not improve them. Good luck! and stay strong!
To hear all of u go through upper and lower bodies was so fantastic to learn more as a fan. TY all and Jay it was amazing to have u present awards. Legend. 🇨🇦❤️🇨🇦
Milos is the best guest he’s not afraid to admit when he’s wrong and always gives the greatest reviews! 🎉
I’ve been waiting patiently for more of Jays videos and podcasts, now I can sit back and enjoy the show 😄 good work Matt and Dave.
Samson did us a solid by filming all the show like that. What a guy. Many thanks for that. Great show as always Jay, Milos is a treasure trove and the footage was gold.
Glad you enjoyed it
What a great episode, very detailed criticism and entertaining. Listening to all three of you guys discuss this amazing lineup was awesome.
I think this is becoming one of my favourite bodybuilding podcasts, just flows so easily which makes it so easy to listen to.
Awesome job guys. Really some interesting points. The Olympia is going to be crazy this year. I can't wait for it.
Can't wait!
Good content.Thanks for showing the Arnold contest clip.
Good timing. Going to listen to this at work
Jay, Matt, Milos and the crew another great pod cast. Helped me get through another day of work. Thank you.
Great to hear!
Great Podcast. Love all the feedback. So many nuggets in all that's discussed! Thank you.
Thanks for listening
Martin looks like he’s standing closer to the judges than everyone else
Hey guys, great content as always- I have just a suggestion to give you about microphones- those are directional mics, that means that the top of the mic should be pointed to the sound source (the mouth in your case); If you talk on the side of the mic, there's a tremendous cut of volume. It works, but it could be even better :D
These guys are a credit to bodybuilding... Excellent commentary and analysis
thank you
About the plane window thing I remember it was in case of 1.if plane has a sudden electricity problem, the light will allow fly attendants to still see outside(if it’s day time), so that they can react immediately and accurately. 2.if there’s sudden weather change, fly attendants will be able to see that immediately instead of having pilot come in and tell them.
Yep it is so the crew can see outside and also so passenger eyes don't need to adjust to outside light conditions in case of emergency
Idk about USA but those flight regulations are standard where I live. For many years now.
@@shamarbovell4457 Same. I fly a few times every month, Europe and Asia, they always tell us to put the blinds up for take-off and landing
Yes and most important if there is an emergency landing the crew can easily see the outside the plane and spot fire or the likes.
These three clowns need to do research before traveling….it’s not rocket science and their complaints are so petty it’s ridiculous.
I always love Milos on the podcast. Such amazing insights between both of them
Its my second fav podcast by far, loving Milos here
thanks
Great content guys Andrew is a prime example of being an athlete before being a bodybuilder works and remember his improving all the time.
Martin looks the oldest
Great Podcast! Pls include photos of those you speak of to elaborate 😊
IMO Jamie should seriously look at taking the Martyn Ford Route. I'm not hating when I say it but I struggle to see how he can win a pro show. Again, it's not his fault he turned out so tall, but just how much muscle he needs to add to that frame to be competitive is asking too much.
With his height, size and personality he can earn a fortune through the likes of movie/ TV/ media work and his CZcams videos are excellent content.
Professional bodybuilding just isn't rewarding enough unless you are top of the tree. Health first always !
Andrew already had an olympia qualification, probably played a big part on their game plan.
That and Andrew has not had any top 5-7 competition yet. He will do very well in the olympia line up. He will finish from 4-7. The top three will be next year.
Good point
@@MeLoNHeAd00 he will win this year. I said what I said
@@BossofBosses111politics will prevent him from winning for a year or two . He also has some holes in his physique compared to the potential top 4 . As I said he has not been beside elite top 5 quality Olympia open bodybuilders .
I hope he wins it would be a really solid step forward for open level bodybuilders but sadly he is two years away from it. Politics will prevent this .
@@BossofBosses111 I am a fan of his for sure but I will take that bet for ANY amount over $100
Really good footage. Kudos to jay
Jay first time I've watched cutler cast and what stands out for me is you NEED your editor to do a better job. when you're talking about people you need someone to be putting pictures or videos up of the people you're talking about in each segment, to give context to what you're saying.
all the best
Nick
Agreed. Pulling up the shots you guys are talking about would immensely help up know what you all are describing. I was googling the different years being talked about to understand the comparisons being made. Still an amazing discussion about the different bodybuilders, though.
So structure beats conditioning?
Best bodybuilding podcast. Love listening to milos
Miłoś is so right. When a small person get some power, that person will most definitely use it and it's not for the greater good. I see this everywhere here in Denmark where I live.
I'm a Swede so I'm with you on that. The Nordics as a whole are run by silly overpaid Muppets in the hundreds if not thousands of branches of government they made up.
Yes, true
Light inside the plane has to match the light outside. In case of accident your sight will be adjusted for an emergency evacuation.
Just the rules to me. I was thinking... stop complaining
Jay is looking huge can't wait to see his transformation
Great video!
I don't know if the 'I don't know why they don't train abs' was directly directed at James, but he trains his abs all the time. If you follow his CZcams he mentions training abs after every/almost every session.
They have gotten better in my opinion, but they are just weak point for him genetically I believe
@@Y2Dguitar spot on :) I do them every day and done my best with them 😊
@@hollingshead89 Thanks for responding! The footage here was even more impressive than the rest I've seen from the show! Your conditioning was really good! 🔥
@@hollingshead89 And the added size and fullness compared to last year's Mr. O is just insane..
Hey Jay can we get time stamps for the next episode please? And by the way great podcast
I am feeling that this years lineup for Mr Olympia will be the best one, just like what we saw in 90s..
could be
Awesome show guys keep it up
Thanks! Will do!
Thanksgiving dinner at milos house this year you guys are closer than ever in 2022 than in prior years you guys are great friends 💪🏽 fulltimers!! Manager Matt should go too im sure he is invited
U can see milos bicep zplits thru his shirt..what a speciman milos n jay r..thanks guyz!!!!:)
Andrews presence is unmatched here. Im with Jay saying he cant stop looking at Andrew lol
but James legs were diced! and huge
It’s 5am which means it’s late yet early enough for a podcast with Melosh!
boom
The 👑 & Matt with awesome cast
I find myself only paying attention to Andrew in all the poses😂💪🏿
All airports in the uk do the plastic bag thing for toiletries in hand luggage
Sarcev knew so much, just fantastic
Lol he said "if someone like a Martin beats you from the back..."
Every podcast with Milos is a full watch.
sounds like the security @ Birmingham wanted Jay's cologne & hair paste
creepers
Nice one Big man
Andrew wrote Explanation Why he was Off at Arnold UK . Saving 100% for Olympia & Visa issue causing Slacking on Training..
Best bodybuilding podcast hands down
thank you
James will be fine as soon as Hollywood needs Kratos for a God of War movie. More money in 1 movie than in winning the Arnold, right?
This has to be the least remunerated sport, (ROI) is stupid for most.
Thanks for mentioning that Milos, I agree completely with the explanation made and think the judges should take the grime to muscle ratio into consideration.
Why? If you do that, that's taking the natural advantage away from the shorter bodybuilders. It's like saying in basketball we're going to make special rule and consideration for shorter basketball players.
Apologies for the typo, it’s supposed to be frame to muscle and not grime to muscle. The only reason for me agreeing with what Milos in his explanation is that you do get bodybuilder that are shorter and they are being overlooked and focus on the actual muscle mass that’s been applied to the frame is not accurately compared. Now moving on to the more directly aimed bodybuilder that he was referring to Jamey the giant hope I got that correct, that dude is absolutely huge and with a frame that size it’s not a easy task to slap on full and round muscle as it would for the average bodybuilder. Even though there are statements made that he can improve a lot on his current look i obviously agree that he can improve but I truly think that he should have place better than what he did. In conclusion my previous statement goes both ways and did not fully agree with the outcome of the top five decision of the judges this past weekend.
@@tyronehartmann50 I think shorter basketball players should be allowed more free throws because they have to work harder to get a shot off.
I had the exact same 1 litre zip lock bag story at cologne airport in Germany… My bag was like 2 finger widths too big und was almost empty. Had to buy one from them 😂 so annoying
Andrew jacked reminds me of Paul Sillett not body shape, Paul was amazing from the front but when he turned around he just wasn’t the same. His back never lived up to his front. Andrew will bring his back up I believe, he’s still young.
Airplanes companies' policies are so weird sometimes, but here's the 'official' reason behind the opened windows and lights "in case of emergency situations the cabin crew has a few minutes to evacuate the plane, and if the curtains are pulled up, you can immediately see the external conditions. Likewise, rescuers outside the aircraft can immediately see what is happening inside.
Another reason is that by keeping the blinds open, the passengers themselves can also help report any anomalies to the cabin crew, who may be engaged in other duties and not immediately notice anything unusual."
About the lines at the customs, Jay, if this would help you, it's even worst for foreigners when we enter in US :D
Andrew doesn’t even look to be flexing his hamstrings while doing back poses. I want to see him peeled at the Olympia
Just in time 💯💪
thanks for listening
what? If Andrew beats everyone, he can 100% beat Rami... Rami isn't that great lol.
Hey Jay Cutler, who is your top three for 2022 Mr. Olympia.
Jay is looking huge!
4:00 Imagine fire and rescue trying to find the survivors when 90% of the windows are closed? That's probably why they open them for landings(when the majority of crashes occur)
I hope and wish that Andrew Jacked destroys all in the Mr Olympia line up soon 🙏
The opening of the window is just not policy, its a safety issue, when the plane encounters an accident when landing the rescuers can see thru the window if there are still survivors in that side of the plane or if there is fire. That is the explanation behind it.
Idk fellas Ramy doesn’t have that pop Andrew has. Ramy is so wide right? But so is Andrew. Not saying he’ll win but damn i look forward to seeing him stand next to him
Nobody is as wide as Ramy. Andrew may not stand next to Ramy
@@CutlerCast true . I’m aware but as a long time fan (remembering the Yates transformation pre 93 mr o magazine come out and study it lol) I’d like to see the difference in width.
i didnt know seal started bodybuilding
22:26 biggest quads right guy (8) second here might be 6, biceps is between 9 and 11 i would say 11 wins, lats 11 is first
29:58 yes 11 is first in that lat pose
31:42 guy 11 also takes this one because his chest is moving far out
34:31 yes 11 again for the back biceps
48:24 guy 8 looks well in this one v-taper , 6 have width 11 looks good too
43:13 triceps goes to 8 second is 6
49:20 mid section either 11 or 6
50:52 yes guy 8 have biggest quads no doubt
for me it would be first place for guy 11 aka andrew jacked
I couldn't agree more with Milos about Jamie. Martin looked like a child standing next to Jamie! He is one of those bodybuilders that look way more impressive standing next to other competitors than by himself.
Martin made Jamie look like a dumb big goofy stringy giant!
I'm from Birmingham. I can attest to the Birmingham airport thing.
I thought Andrew was competing in classic looking at the back double bis. James and Martin crazy as fcuk
love when Milos is on
Back in the day they would judge the lumbar support muscle the thick columns of the lower back , Andrew had the deepest back, dense and thick expressed in a different manner evident in the rear lat spread mandatory pose.
No way Andrew back is shallow.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320 The ocean of Miami Beach 8ft. deep water is shallow , good enough for you to drown in .
What are you talking about - one thing andrew needs to work on is back thickness - wide but shallow in comparison the the others and his front.
Check out clip on MD global muscle of Ronnie a Coleman talking to Giles a Thomas saying Andrew needs to work on thickness
@@andydavies9699 Stand back and stop your virtue signaling , just check out the lat thickness on Jay's clip as he stops it on front the double bicep mandatory pose. From that angle per square inch he has a great or relatively great distance apart from back to chest.
@@albertomontejo8005 obviously you don’t know what virus signaling means 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ so I have seen him and was at the Arnold and he had the shallowest back in the top 4 (but the widest) and that isn’t the Olympia top 10. His back in Olympia standards is shallow not in general standards as he his a big guy
This footage really shows how much James hollingshead improved, you could easily give him all the back and side shots. And how could they not think Andrews side chest looks funky with way he poses
Aaaand i give Andrew the side chest. "Side chest" is the pose. Remember, you had a Mr Olympia in Brandon Curry who's legs from the side are thinner.
I actually think Jamie could be incredible as a classic physique contestant with his taller frame and tiny waist. Not sure if his height would make that change difficult but hes got a very pretty physique!
He’s about 30lb above cut off so would be impossible
@@andydavies9699 yes of course that is true, just from an aesthetic perspective :)
@@CarianneRHixson he would just look stringy and “skinny” compared to other guys; aesthetically he will always look good being tall;
James legs are the best on that uk stage. Andrew is great but I feel like its very very close
@54:27 yes, that's exactly what James would need to complete the look, same for Hassan
Jay Cutler is so young compared to the others.
He is 10 years younger than me...he better look younger...
Jamie the Giant - looked fantastic! Hard, muscular:) he could get into acting and be on something - movies etc - build the profile, followers etc.
Is it just me or does it look like Andrew doesn’t press his front leg into his back leg on the side shots to make his hamstrings look fuller and bigger?
Thank you Gentlemen!
You bet!
James from the back is better then everyone’s
Does Jay's right biceps look smaller than the left one?
I see it as James in #1, Andrew #2 and Patrick 3rd
Wow Martin looks 40 already..
Why do people keep saying Andrew shouldn't have done the UK? He won, he got more stage experience and feedback, his posing improved, they got to experiment with his conditioning before the O.
Milos always like the new guys to dethrone all the older crop lol. 😂
Not necessarily...but I do like Underdogs.
Judging is soo confusing in bodybuilding...they should set some criteria. They should clearly set out rules as to what matters more. The best way to do it IMO is to set points for each like- conditioning: 1pnt, symmetry: 1 pnt, proportions: 1 pnt, muscle mass: 1 pnt, and so on. Then for each pose rate each of the athletes based on the above mentioned points, so for example in the front double andrew takes 3 points because of size, symmetry, proportions, james takes 2 points because of size, conditioning , and so on. Then at the end add the points and whoever has the most points wins.....I think this is extremely fair. The competitors will have an idea at the end as to why they are losing/ winning so they can improve. Now if the ifbb wants to move in a certain direction, lets say they want to prioritize size and shape over conditioning, Then just assign 2 pnts for size and shape and 1 pnt for conditioning. simple. It doesnt have to be soo subjective. These guys are not willing to sit down and actually think...SMH
In my opinion James was the best combination of condition density size n shape in this line up on that day, his condition was far better than Andrews, density better, James doesn't have a terrible shape I actually think James has a great shape, the only places Andrew obviously beats James is Ab definition and shoulder width but other than that I think James was better on the day
I thought it was common knowledge when you travel that you cannot take any cologne or body spray more then a certain amount onto the plane. Reason for this is because they are highly flammable and someone can use it to start a fire. To put everyone on the flight in danger because you want to take your expensive cologne is quite selfish.
And the reason people need to put blinds up for landing is because of safety. If there is an emergency the staff on the plane need a clear view outside so they know it’s safe to open doors or deploy emergency exit protocols. There are good reasons for protocols on the plane just follow them and all is ok and chances of accidents happening lessens.
Cant be more than 100ml... Thats standard... I aways have liquids on the plane w me... Matt
I think Andrews symmetry, proportion , and ideal structure is superior to these guys. I had Martin winning the front double and rear lat. his symmetry looked off from the rear , as from what I could see, there were possibly some imbalances in the rear delts. Hollingshead looked great, but in my opinion, the legs are just so overpowering. Yes, that brings the freak factor, but in my observation (purely subjective) your looking for the complete package. I think the way Andrew transitioned, and the way he hit those shots after that front double was really incredible. Andrew has some of the best poise and presentation in the current ifbb. Just my opinion. I would love to see more comparisons between Andrew jacked and a guy like nick walker. And good for Martin to hang it up this season. These guys should always prioritize health, and I’m praying he is patient and smart with his contest selections. Just my opinion.
I'm happy you guys are critiquing him really hard because he really needs to hear this he's been winning and that can be a dangerous combination to think that you can get by on just a little bit of prep he's got to come in a thousand percent or they will smoke him
Brandon Curry still has the best lines in the sport. Samson flows well but his back is going to be inferior to the most of the top five. Looking forward to the battle this year!
New notes coming soon
I have James in a solid second looking at this . Shredded and huge
AJ legs from the rear are too smooth and not good enough for the Olympia
They weren't conditioned enough from the front either. 👍
London definitely does have limits on liquids, toiletries and small clear bag allowance. This is due to situations in the past where people have constructed explosives from mixtures of liquids masked as toiletries and perfumes. They can't outright ban but rules were introduced to reduce the risks. There is always one terrorist that ruins it for everybody
The gap in martins abbs cant be scoring high??
Pardon
These footage not taken behind the judges
huh?
I meant that these shots didn't taken middle of athletes.
Pardon
Hari Om
tonight chipslovers feat arnold schwarzenegger......motivation
James looked fuckin solid
I had him in 2nd just barley
His back shots god damm! 👀