The Second Dream: Good As You Remember? - WARFRAME
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2022
- In 2015 Digital Extremes took a massive leap in ambition, releasing their first of 4 cinematic quests to further streamline and flesh out the Warframe universe. That quest being The Second Dream. How does it hold up in 2022?
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Hunhow existed for exactly two quests, then was forgotten for 6 years and when New War came out DE was like "oh right this guy exists" and just put himin there for approximately 40 seconds.
10 minute actually. 10 grueling minutes of unskippable archon exposition.
@@Sabuuchi 10 minutes and it would not have made any difference if it was Hunhow or Cephalon Cy. Actually, Cy would have made more sense, why does Hunhow who has slept at the bottom of the sea since the Old War or something know about the archons?
@@zephyrprime8 Late answer, because of stalker most likely?
If they put him in any more quests before then i'm pretty sure he'd have a higher L count than Vor
@@zephyrprime8 The archons were made from old war primes, meaning they were most likely made during the end of the old war
Honestly think the Second Dream was so acclaimed not because its an amazing story (IMO its pretty alright) but because this kind of story came from the funny sexy space narwhal ninja game
Things are quite a bit more enjoyable when you don't have expectations
Lol true
Hold up hold up hold up
Where's the narwhal???
@@GladiusTR Excalibur’s helmet
Theres already a space narwhal game on ps4.
I still find it funny that the whole reason The Old War happened is because the Sentients couldn't fuck each other anymore
I'd be mad too if some lanky armed mfs forced me to travel vast nothingness for eons just to terraform a nothing starsystem and scrambled my eggs in the process.
@@Sabuuchi yea giving something sentience and then telling them that you are a slave and have no rights. Your only purpose is to find more land for them to conquer than die. What a flawless plan.
@@Sabuuchi The Sentients after their void jump
NOT MY SENTUSSY
Also because The Orokin are idiots and were destroying the solar system.
But that was just one of the 2 side effects of the trip to Tau, and as far as I know, it wasn't the real motive. According to me, once they became conscious, they simply realized that the Orokin were shit, and they would end up destroying Tau in the same way that they did with the solar system, as Ballas tells us in one of the vitruvians of the adventure The Sacrifice.
This does not have much to do with it, but it is curious and is related to the infertility of the Sentients. Natah wanted his own children, just as Teshin said in the adventure of the same name. Those "children" would be the Tenno, and this only makes me think that Natah, in reality, did not loved the childrens, she only took them under her care on a whim as she could not conceive her own.
Sab: ”Bringing us to the cutscene we’d all remember six years later”
*CZcams begins playing shitty car insurance ad*
Yep exactly as I remember it.
People praise The Second Dream not only for story reasons, but for content we got with it. Cool new moon mods and challenges, amazing spy missions with so much variety, rare things (rare sword stance, hard to get War parts). We even had a whole new focus system to grind from start. Also all cosmetic stuff in the store with few exceptions was pretty meh, and then they dropped Shadow Stalker armor set for fuck ton of platinum, probably best non prime cosmetic item till today. We never got so much lore, story and actually fun post quest content in one update and probably never will.
But now we look at it now, it felt pointless the rare items are usually just gimmick mods that nobody will used
@@TheDragonfriday A lot of the moon drift mods are actually staples in builds to this day. Things like Coaction drift, Power Drift, Cunning drift and the like are used for getting small stat bonuses out of your exilus slot, or boosting the power of your aura. I would say they're still useful.
@@TheDragonfriday It give us Ivan's and drift mods that I use on nearly every build. As well as one of the most creative and fun spy tiles i still run today. The update was one beefy package.
@@Sabuuchi which spy mission if I may ask
@@soulsemblance3163 Pavlov.
I love how you use comic sans to emphasize something that’s goofy
I wish I could talk in comic sans.
@@Sabuuchi talking lowercase is fine too
@@user-ts3mw4ve3g okay
Hunhows introduction to stalker is the best piece of "dialogue" in the whole story of warframe I swear it gives me chills every time I hear it
I mean, that line goes *HARDER* than it has any right to.
5:20 This is such a perfect encapsulation of why I really want there to be _at least_ a codex entry for each event that gives new players an in-game option to catch up with what happened outside the quests. Most events are kinda their own self-contained story, but you can't just expect people to look up important shit like this online.
Apart from that though, I do honestly think Hunhow is one of the best characters in Warframe. He absolutely hates the Tenno and anything related to Orokin, but his love for his family is even stronger than his hatred for us. That deep, booming voice certainly helps. His part in the New War was one of my favourite things about that quest and I certainly hope we will see more of him in the future.
Holy shit, i didn't realize that alad V getting cured was never mentioned after that event. i was THERE for it and so alad v showing up later made sense but i cannot believe such an important thing is so glossed over. (not that people probably do patient 0 after mesa prime was released)
Back before Specters of the Rail, Steve said old events like that would return, retooled as quests for context to help along the main story. As of September of 2020 the files, scripts, voices, etc were removed from the game during the great ensmallening update; scrapped forever.
I really loved the second dream. I liked the idea of hiding the entire moon, and adding a playable tileset. To this day Lua remains my favourite as it's just super pretty to me. I liked operators and the concept, it tied a lot of ideas together for me. I'll even ignore some of the more nonsensical bits because overall I just had a lot of fun with it.
Edit: to add a little bit more to that I really loved the trial rooms too. Little environment puzzles that I had to work out myself, and to this day I can't resist solving them when I run into one
I like the Lua Pitchers and would love for DE to give us a pitcher planter decoration for both pitcher species in the game.
For me the second dream was really just DE realizing that they could indeed tell us a story outside of text form, but it suffers from a severe lack of foresight in terms of both preexisting lore and the lore they were trying to build with it, this is a problem they still have for a majority of their storytelling but it has improved significantly since the sacrifice.
it hurts my brain to know that this game is almost a decade old, it has come so far, yet i sometimes feel like DE hasn't learned some of the more obvious lessons after all this time.
Second Dream
The quest where you have to carry a grey potato to his gaming chair so that grass and fresh air stop weakening his power
I think what people liked about the second dream is just how it was the culmination of a lot of little lore bits from across the game.
PS. I think the stalker was more possessed by hunhow or something when he gets to your orbiter because his energy colors are not blue but red.
PSS. not really related to the Second Dream, but most sentient energy attacks turned from being blue to red after TNW released.
lets be realistic
90% of poeple didnt know half of the lore bits second dream was relating to
Second dream was when the game started to get interesting, but the quest itself is just sharkwing and running around while the characters scream at your ears nonstop, war within for me is when the quests start to get good story AND gameplaywise
I really don't know what the Lotus was thinking when she tried to tap back into Hunhow lmao.
I liked the future story quests more (THE SACRIFICE), but The Second Dream does have a special place for me too. It is mostly nostalgia, since before The Second Dream there was a lot of speculation on what we actually were as Tenno, but reading some of the other comments reminds me how much else was introduced with the quest. Mostly the Focus system, and Lua along with all its unique Drift mods and associated puzzles. It introduced a lot of cool stuff.
I also forgot about Tubemen of Regor for a minute there. It's kind of wild that such an important story beat (it's why Alad V is no longer infested and was helping us at all in the first place) is just, completely gone now. Ditto with the introduction of Stalker's acolytes trying to hunt Alad V down because he helped us.
A ton of event-exclusive story should be brought back into the game as minor quests or even codex entries just for the sake of people who started playing after the events were long since gone. I hopped in at the tail end of the Sacrifice update cycle (shortly before the Earth relay rebuild event) and man, it's jarring for the game to skip chunks of its own story, for the emotional impact of some events to rely on continuous exposure to quest-givers and mission command chatter (Alad who? oh, you mean that scrawny loser whose head I bashed in like six times to get Valkyr parts before moving on, cool), and for characters I've never met to act like we're buddy-buds (for example I've never even visited Teshin's crib prior to Natah because I've no interest in PvP, and I haven't bothered to talk to him before War Within either).
At least some of the newer events get some kind of reprise - Orphix missions in Railjack, Zealoid Prelate on Deimos, the entire New War prelude being available even if you've barely touched Railjack, lore for the Exploiter Orb and Deck 12 still being in the game to some degree - but it's nowhere near enough to give you a full picture of the story without scrolling through the fanmade Wiki in a game that already hides chunks of its lore behind obscure collectibles and Simaris scan targets.
Ordis using the void for stealth. That would explain how in the man in the wall he’s able to hide not only the orbiter, not only the railjack cy runs, but also the extension cord connecting the two.
6:43 I remember back in the days when I first met that one sentient ( all tho it was different looking) it took me a solid 5 minutes just to kill it
because of the immunity to status effects and the dmg reduction they had
Lotus: "Sentients can adapt to your damage, try something different."
LOTUS IT ADAPTED TO EVERYTHING, I AM OUT OF ELEMENTS!
Yeah tbh I think it got really downplayed in this video how tough sentients were. With the content we had back then there were very little counters and you had to be aware enough to have them. We didn’t know how sentients worked and we definitely didn’t have the ability to remove their resistances the first time around.
Yeah bringing mesa and blasting it as it was shown here works but chances are new players might not have had her or the foresight to bring her so they’d have to make do like I did with rhino.
Back in those days you could skip the other quests except archwing and natah if you had a taxi. Which your boy did. (Honestly fuck the specters of the rail update, it gatekeeps too much content too hard)
I started playing warframe right before the Natah quest came out and, lemme tell you, having the Second Dream come out after the parkour rework and story escalation of the Natah quest really hooked me on warframe for the following years.
Lot of ups with mostly awkward or horrendous downs since then but, still, Warframe really is something special. Just a shame it's under the management of DE
Sickest burn to DE ever
Imagine what this game can do under the management of EA, Square Enix, Activison or Bungie. I can think of horrible server, cut content resale, paid tilesets, vaulted and later resold expansion...
All the flaws you've mentioned, are the cost of an ENTIRELY Free-to-play model, it doesn't bring enough revenue to be guaranteed an investment.
@@sanguin3 bungo?
@@dascreeb5205 Y'know, famous developer who worked on critically acclaimed titles such as Halie and Destino
@@euclxd8033 no, I mean they don't buy properties.
to be fair that first sentient fight gave me the first ass whooping i ever had in this game, i was very low lvl and ended up winning but man it took more than i ever had to give before
Yeah it's extremely hard for newcomers but still gives to people who already have a lot of skill, which I think is the entire point
Hey! Fun Fact! I somehow managed to break into the Tenno room in the orbiter while visiting a friends orbiter, before I did the Second Dream quest. I was stuck and confused so I did what any reasonable person does, fashion the person in the funny pod. Anyways that’s how I managed to have my operator customized before doing this quest.(for anyone knowing my reaction when I saw the big reveal, I was just laughing and shocked)
I don't know if I can say it's the best but , to me, the most memorable was Chains of Harrow. I get goosebumps every time I remember the "Rap Tap Tap" and "Hey there Kiddo". I love Chains of Harrow to death.
i think the second dream is so beloved since it (well technically natah as well) involves so many characters from opposing parts of the universe in one story, tyl regors labs and research opening up the sentients, alad v being... alad v (the best way possible), lotus and hunhow interactions, and seeing the stalkers personality, even if barely
When i was new to Warframe, this and the War Within were the most hyped up quests and my friends that got me to play kept telling me to wait for these quests. I played this game years after those 2 quests came out and they were riddled with game breaking bugs that caused me to exit application multiple times. It was one of if not the worst experience I've ever had in this game, and the story itself wasn't even all that impressive from what I'd experienced in other games.
They were overhyped and never lived up to my expectations, but the gameplay of this FREE game kept me here today and I'm happy I get to see their most extensive update yet next month answering a lot of concerns I had with this game.
Well yeah, Second Dream didnt get me because of incredible writing.
It was more like you ate normal pizza all your life long, and suddenly someone introduces you to stuffed crust pizza.
Also, big goose bumps for the Hunhow line in the beginning and the Lotus line after we pop out of our reservoir.
The moon retcon and Alad V de-infesting might take away from the quest, but those issues don't effect people who started playing after it's release (or are oblivious and just didn't notice the moon, or just hadn't done Patient Zero yet)
The moon reveal made me flip my shit because I was just under the assumption that it got destroyed at some point and like tbh up until that point Lotus didn't really seem all that cool tbh. She was nice, and having Space Mom keep you company was nice but I didn't realize she was actually powerful till she was just like "Oh btw the moon is real i just hid it from literally everyone" like bruh that was insane.
I feel like who's in charge of the story doesn't know how to put it on paper to make a game out of it... sometimes doing less gives better results.
The story is going everywhere and nowhere at the same time, I have fond memories of The Second Dream probably because it was the first reaaal big improvement in the storyline with a lot of new stuff (introduction to the tennos/operators).
Me 6 years ago: WHAAAAT (that was so cool and cinematic)
Me now: WHAAAAAAT (still don't understand but unga bunga I got a new frisbee)
This game captured my attention like no other game has. The universe is pregnant with potential because the foundation is so effective.
7:18 I thought we were pulling the moon back to prevent Stalker from trying to destroy the moon again like he tried at 7:57
Stalker had to be convinced to actually do the deed, even still attacked the warframe instead.
The second dream had many issues with continuity and other plot holes but im glad they decided to compile the lore into a tangible quest which could be expanded upon. While the entire quest may not have been the best the cinematic parts and highlights were executed very well which is why i think people still adore the quest
you can kind of of explain the ordis not being able to get into the tower bit by saying, in order for us to get into a tower we need a key, but when you jump to a random one you don't have the key ready so you need to open the tower from the inside. And to explain why the moon has a feature where it can be destabilized could be a way for the orokin to use a "scorched earth" tactic to prevent the sentients from getting oro.
I don't watch every video of yours anymore (because I'm not into warframe anymore) but each one that I do watch is always great. Keep up the good work!
as someone who started playing in 2019 the war within is definitely still my fav cinematic quest. but tbh the second dream is still iconic for being like, the first quest where they actually cared to tell a story. you haven't cared for whatever story happened before, so the final twist is still powerful (especially the character creation) and also a sort of preamble to what's to come
What Second Dream introduced, and the way it did while answering a huge question at the time, it’s no wonder why it became every long time player’s favorite, I showed it to my buddy who started 4 months ago (showed him Second Dream as he was going through it), and he fell in love with that quest as well
Basicaly every warframe cinematic gives me goosebumba and hype even after 7-8 years playing this game...just hearing the music makes me wanna hop on
side note about the alad V situation. If you're playing through the game now then you haven't got up to patient zero when you do second dream. That quest is later on in the star chart. So you have even less clue why he's suddenly helping.
loved this video sab! while Warframe might not keep a lot of us playing current day, this video really does highlight the fact that DE have come so far, and that the story for this game (while jank) can still be really damn intriguing!
Love the new vids Sab. Little bit more of a low-key energy, feels more like a YOU video rather than the countless faceless WF content creators. Keep it up
lmaoooo you gotta make more videos like this for all the quests I'm crying
I have learned SO MUCH in this video about the lore... And I play for like 5 years or something wtf
I need a video explaining ALL the lore made by you
Have been a WF player for a while and did experience The Second Dream when it first released.
Even though it wasn't really challenging, and the story + characters were a bit hard to fully understand, it was one of the coolest things I've ever seen come from a F2P game. It was like DE opened up a door with tons of new possibilities of what they could do with their story and quests. They've definitely come a long way.
Personally I was always more of a fan of the war within, mainly because the Grineer are the faction I am most interested in and seeing the queens for the first time is one of my fondest memories from this game.
I KNEW I wasn't miss remembering the moon existing before TSD.
Oh god he has a crossing hands avatar now
Fun fact: that sprite is titled THEPOSE.png in my files.
I’m glad you are doing this. I was going to redo all of the quests up to the new war once I got my neracomech but I guess I don’t have to anymore. I can just wait for your next videos and then play the 4 hour shitfest that is the New War. :D
Thanks.
I am curious on how the operator manages to remove the sword on his warframe when he is awake at that time?
It wasn't the Operator, it was the warframe. Some vestigial, rewired self-preservation instinct probably.
I loved the Dark Souls like lore in the codex. I really wanted to know more. The cinematic quests are great but they kinda were the easy mod of story telling for me. I remember actually being excited to finish scanning crewmen to be able to read about them
This was actually a pretty neat video
Harrow quest feel like a main quest despite being an optional quest
because it's not optional. You need to do it to progress the story
6:44 That Sentient... Took me nearly 30 minutes to kill with my Excalibur and his 4rth ability...
Ordis, play this is what you are.
This was a great watch :3
Yes, yes it is, I still get chills when hunhow says. "I, am hunhow, sentient destroyer of worlds, expose their heart by my edge....... and cleave it beating from its nest. " similar to drgs a distant terror at 0: 32
I went back pre-new-war to play all the old quests and make bug reports and boy howdy was the old orbiter interior one of them
just finished it about 30 minutes ago, best game quest ive ever done
second dream was cool cuz it was the first quest with crazy cutscenes in it after hopping through half the star system, just doing what the junctions told me to do to progress and not really paying attention. but the sacrifice was cooler and you got a free, better Excal w/ cool sword and umbral mods
Oh god he's doing Retrospectives
We just gonna forgot I did 3 videos, over an hour long in total, talking about Mega Man lore?
@@Sabuuchi most unfortunately don’t even know about it.
the pysics behind how dangerous moving the moon into the void is staggering and it really should be in a far worse place
God I wish all the event story was tied into the main game.
I mean, yeah, The Sacrifice is the only quest in the game I've played through twice (to scan all the music nodes since I missed one the first time around, but STILL it was enjoyable!).
I agree that sacrifice is the best quest at least in warframe.
man this quest seems sick, maybe i should've payed attention when i played it the first time, damn me and this cut-scene skipping body
"I am Hunhow, sentient destroyer of worlds. By your hand expose their heart, by my edge-"
*Ad Break*
"Unleash these cheeks."
I came here to have a good time and I feel so attacked right now.
Love the video
6:44 Reminds me then I did this too then I was helping new player get past this section , his jaw dropped after I pretty much run a ground with it with no effort .
Yeah , you read it right , some people actually struggled to take out Conculyst as their first Sentient .
I accidentally fought one in Fortuna beforehand, which ruined the suprise
When I first saw the Hunhow and Stalker cutscene i thought that was the end of my character and by extension the quest since i mained loki lol
OH MY GOD I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED OF MUTALIST ALAD WAS AFTER SECOND DREAM OR NOT I HAD NO IDEA
“If you aren’t paying then you are the product” is true but in this case it sounds like the company is saying it outright, which is a lot more reassuring. Like “yeah we’re selling your data but to reasonable customers in reasonable amounts and you get paid for it.”
Glad to know I'm not the only person constantly fucking confused during all of the lore moments.
I always assumed slad v became infested after second dream, well played
the second dream set the first precedent for what the game could be
I agree the sacrifice is the best quest for sure.
Stalker got tired of being bullied and decided to help for once.
Excuse me what? I WAS UNKILLABLE??? I SWEATED OUT OF MY DAMN MIND THAT FIRST PLAYTHROUGH
Pretty cool how they must have patched the part where its not your ship. I walked through mine.
I 5000% AGREE, the sacrifice IS THE BEST QUEST!!!
HOLY SHIT I DID NOT KNOW THEY FUCKING RETCONED THE MOON JUST FOR THE QUEST
thats soooo fucking DE
The War Within, Chains of Harrow, and The Sacrifice were peak Warframe for me
6 months from now: the new war, not as good as u remembered
I give it a Yeah/10.
What the FUCK. I never knew you could shoot Stalker's friggin cleaves in the orbiter...
I've been replaying warframe on ps4 and I finished the second dream and the war within before patient zero was even unlocked
7:46 Well Seymour I made it, despite your void reflection
Not again
had no idea wtf a tubeman was this entire time
Ily sab
Man I replayed The Sacrifice multiple times in the last year to finally unlock the Somachord fragments I was missing, and I never hated any part of doing the quest again (...well, except Komi.). It was so good and continues to be good, while The Second Dream was good only for what it represented, really. The growing pains there paved the way for later quests, and I swear it feels like they're trying to throw away all the development of the Operator to pursue the Drifter in Duviri. (Like actually, what the hell does the Drifter even have to do with the Lotus? Why would they care about returning her to health in The New War? No rescue means no Margulis, no transference, no Lotus.)
I know they'll probably try to answer those questions in Duviri Paradox next month, but the longer time goes on the more it feels like they should have released Duviri 2020 like they said in the 2019 Tennocon. I'd bet good money The New War was missing some crucial fragments because Drifter didn't have the exposition Duviri would have given them beforehand.
Guess we'll see. Still love these little one-off videos that show how much us players care about the game and what we've seen happen to it over the years.
He never got to the sacrifice
If someone could do to Warframe as what they did to Horizon Zero Dawn and now the Forbidden west. That would be pretty much the ultimate gaming experience. What those guys made from the basic concept of "Shoot dino robots is cool" What they build up from that is astonishing and this game basically did the reverse, build an amazing game of space ninjas shooting and jumping and slashing and now trying to fix the story on the back end. I swear to god, get those people to work on Warframe and within a year or 2 since basic structure is already there. You'd have an alpha build of warframe with better gameplay and story than you could ever imagine. The guys at Digital extreme are good guys, but not very organized or driven... I think Guerilla games could make this the absolute master piece it should be.
Fun fact eventually if you cannot fine hunhow's fragment Alad V will tell you if he gets bored and I know this because I saw a friend of mine take like 10 minutes trying to find it, it was hilarious but Alad V eventually told him where it is.
I was there for Tubemen of Regor and I don't even remember it.
I Know iam Late but, i just need to bring this one up. My Friend made me play the game and we together played throu the Starchart including all Quests that could be done together, the secound dream is one of them when we reached the segment where the bits of hunhow are Alad V plays his hot and cold game, he will aparantly say it for both players. My Friend didnt wanted to spoiler nor help me throu the quest to show me the awesome story of warframe but we discorved 2 things about this segment. 1. Alad V plays the game for both of you without telling which can land to massive confusion, my friend was near it and me not, yet he called colder and warmer all the time until i figured it out. 2. after 10 min i finally found the path which led to the artifact and right before i reached it Alad V called me incompetent and revealed the Location on the Map. We both lost our Shit and Laughed for 6 minutes Straight. This will be forever my favorite Warframe moment.
i’m so lost in warframe story. i did marsh quest but i don’t remember it being learning the lotus was a sentient
The second dream was peak Warframe imo. My only complaint was Stalker being relegated from a fast paced evil Tenno fight to an easily kiteable normie miniboss
The only hard part about Stalker is early game when the most you can do to anything level 30+ is a light tickle. By the time I got to The Second Dream, I was basically one tapping him anyway.
Sacrifice is indeed the best quest.
I think the wanting for some kind of story at the time made the impact stronger...that and the investment of time etc. Now for a new player...not so much.
I'll admit the Second Dream didn't age very well at all, but it still holds a special place in my heart regardless.
Now, after 6 years, DE has to redo "The Second Dream" quest after this review 😅😂
The day DE listens to me again will be the official end of times.
The fact i know the sauce of that image of uranus has me so sad i almost ended it all.
First axolotl boi
I also have a small weiner.
@@Sabuuchi love you boss. Keep up the good work.
wait hold on i didn't get the Patient zero quest until i arrived to Eris, and i can't go to Eris unless i finished the Natah quest so the last time we saw alad V was actually his boss fight in jupiter right?
Brought this up in a recent stream. With starchart 3.0 they put it after for the sake of Eris always being an endgame planet and thematically fitting with it, but on the timeline, patient zero takes place right before The Tubemen of Regor event and Natah. The favor Lotus had to call in was because of us giving Alad the cure for the infestation rather than Nef.