FOX VS ROCKSHOX
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2023
- Get to know the difference between the Fox and RockShox suspension and see which one is the better choice for your next mountain bike purchase!
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Don’t know about that “substantially more adjustments” statement. The X2 has HSR that the Vivid doesn’t. But the Vivid has HBO that the X2 doesn’t. 🤷🏼♂️
Fox has more clicks, but Number of clicks aside. The rebound range of slow speed is wider and not to mention high speed adjust. The compression damping has wider range on fox 1 click from Rockshox is like 5 from Fox
He's talking about the range of adjustment within reach knob.
super entertaining video! love the gold stanchion-flavored whipped cream!
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Really interesting videos, glad i discovered your account
Glad to hear it!
amazing rider input love this vid!
😎 you fox or rockshox?
@@OtterMTBtechI got a fox 36 factory on my fuel ex but i just got a new enduro bike with a New select plus zeb, i really like the zeb but i wanna spend more time on the zeb and eventually try the full buttttttttercups zeb. Whats better for racing?
I will say having had the previous generation Zebb and the new Charger 3 BC version, the new one has a definite break in period, after about a month I found the small bump sensitivity to have greatly improved.
Zeb is well used. They choose to make it harsh, since it makes it more poppy. Pick your poison. Fox is hella planted and plush, doesn’t jump as good as
That’s what i’m experiencing on my New zeb select plus. It has charger 3 but it’s no where as buttery as my 4month old factory 36
This year I have occasion to ride fox sus and as RS fanboy I can agree with you that Fox are more damped on compression. It's quite hard to get RS more damped but not imposibble. As you mentioned, with RS suspension on bike I am riding with shock pump in hipbag and strongly playing with tokens and pressure to find compromise between traction and that "poppy" feeling. I would say, that RS will be good with trail bikes up to 130-140mm of rear travel on trails with smaller speeds that are not much demanding from biker. BUT if you want go more chunky stuff RS will be very diffucult to dial in, where fox is easier to set up, because of damped compression which leads to more control over bike and smooth ride feel.
Well put 🙌. Just finished ‘23 super deluxe hardest shock I ever set up 😭
@@OtterMTBtech You can check the differences in valve tuning manuals between the old and new SDU on the RS site. There is very little difference.
nice, never would have thought to dig there, funny the new HSC chokes the shock up on the first part of the stroke, and the LSC prevents it from bottoming out
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So Fox is recalling all their 2021-2023 X2's for brand new 2024 X2's with all new internals to correct all the cavitation and blow out and loud sounds. I ride a Yeti Sb160 and Yeti has two tunes for the 2023 X2 and different tune for the 2024 X2. The 2024 tune, the HSC and LSC settings are the same but the they suggest less rebound in HSR and LSR. This has me believe the new 2024 X2 is much slower than the 23 version. This leads me to believe the Vivid would be even more funner in playfulness than the 2024 X2.
I have 2024 X2 making video here. It’s different allot different feels more poppy no noise.
@@OtterMTBtech That is good to hear in every way.
thanks for the mesurments!
That’s 230x65 big shocks
that was not ironic. Great video!@@OtterMTBtech
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Hi, i have a 2022 Kenevo Expert S5, and i want to upgrade my rear suspension. Please tell me, how is the frame clereance for de Fox X2 Shock, because i saw in ur other video, that the vivid touched on the frame, and the other question is, to use the x2 in 230/65 config or reduce the travel to 62,5? Thank you!!!
I have not tried 62.5 x2. The 230x65 Vivid and X2 will rub the frame when you bottom out. Harder you ride the more it will rub. 230x60 seems like it didn’t rub.
Just ordered a vivid, how did the air pressure differ for the 2 shocks at the same sag on your kenevo? Im heavier and now concerned i might not have made the correct choice 😢😢
30-40 psi more on vivid. 320 vivid, 270 x2. Vivid is a good shock, just relay on air pressure not compression circuit. DO NOT use the high speed compression unless you have the HBO maxed out. The compression circuits low and high choke the shock up.
Never got my charger 3 zeb to feel good. Always harsh on square hits and always crap when going very fast. Good enough for going slow though. Zeb with charger 2.1 and the old spring is actually much better IMO, although the spring still kind of sucks with the big hole in the middle. For forks, I have tried zeb 2.1, 3, lyrik 2.0 and 2.1, pike 2.0 and fox 40, boxxer, 38 and 36, 34 and 34SC - but nothing comes close to my Mezzer and my Dorado 37. It's not even in the same league. I kind of like the X2 on my DH bike but I always worry about when it will blow and I have a backup shock for that reason.
How to setup Rockshox Fork/ Charger 3 Zeb
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Charger 3 Zeb needs a new approach and it’s absolutely amazing. Made video to help people with it. Mezzer is in my list since everyone ravs about it
Im on the OG Zeb 180mm no token Charger3 and X2 Elite one token. I thought I had a pretty balanced setup at 230lbs on my Reign E. Maybe not...
You get use to what you ride. Back to back same day you would not want to mix and match
I want a video like this for the Super Deluxe Ultimate coil vs the DHX2 coil shocks and Boxxer Ultimate vs Fox 40 Factory
Challenge accepted just need 5grand
Great work Brian. 😂
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Sooo. I have a different opinion. Preface: mine is based on the Yeti SB160. 2024 Fox X2 vs 2024 RS Vivid... I may do a video on it too. I do find the Vivid to be too damped in feel and just traction for days. I weigh 215 and the app said to pump up to 250. It was too plush, so I went up to 4 tokens. It's better but still very glued to the ground. It makes climbs feel much slower. I leave HBO open and HSC open, LSC on 2-3, rebound about 4 clicks from wide open.
The FOX X2...
The X2 is much more poppier, playful and lively, also 4 tokens. I like a playful bike. The fox is way more adjustable. The Fox climbs much snappier and crisper. After break in period, it's pretty much quiet. When jumping, the rebound adjustments will allow you to get some really good pop for air. TO get the same from the Vivid, you have to run it about 26-27% sag and more open rebound. The Fox with a lower pressure of about 212 will keep the poppy feel, snappy climbing while not skipping too much over repeated hits. OR THIS... I can run the Fox X2 with 3 spacers and 225 air pressure, obtain almost all travel and more plush traction feel over repeated jank. It's a little compromise of climbing crispness, but closer to the Vivid feel.
They are both great shocks and have their place. If you're a DH/gravity person, who will shuttle or use lift service, the Vivid is for you. It will stay glued to the ground with great traction. HBO is cool but not really needed with 3-4 spacers and the recommended pressure on the app for sag. The Fox X2 is great if you are a person who has to climb to the top and then descend. It's more tunable in a noticeable way. Each turn of 2-3 clicks is noticeable, I wouldn't recommend the vivid for back country riding though, pedaling would be tiring with it.
I categorize these shocks like this: COIL shock, VIvid and Fox X2. Vivid is very, very coil like and the Fox is not so much coil like but very air shock like with adjustability to toe dip in the coil waters. The X2 can keep your bike poppy and playful, where as the Vivid is so much like a coil that it stays glued to the ground giving you that plush coil like feeling. Some may love this, some may not. Back tire does not skip over repeated hits, it's impressive really. The Fox is a shock that really allows you to feel the trail underneath you. Some may like this, some may not.
My take on them but on different bike and suspension platform.
I definitely agree with 50% of what you say. The 2024 X2 is wildly different shock than the pre 2024 I just found why and made a video.
To be real a $400 Sun tour coil blows both the shocks out of the water.
Go coil and never look back with all this token fiddling
To me looks like Fox 38 front and Vivid rear Would be a nice mix.
Honestly go coil.
is that a current 2024 X2 though? There are some updates to the X2.
‘23 take off x2. Supposed to more reliable on ‘24. What else?
@@OtterMTBtech I sent in my 2021 X2 pre their request and they sent me back a fox factory 2024. Their website has all the changes made to 2024 that makes them smoother and more robust to pressures and big hits for added reliability.
We needed this video, next sram vs shimano please
I did Code vs saint last year.
How can you say Rockshox doesn't have much damping when you turned it all the way open?
The Zeb has a progressive air spring meaning hard to press down. Just the high speed compression open
Ha ha, all you need to get is a skunkworks stiker for the frame!
Sr-71 black bird. Old and timeless
gave rockshox a shot but it let me down. a suspension tuner once told me "if you see a rockshox on multi million dollar offroad race car's ie Trophy trucks then consider it!"
That’s just marketing boss. Seemings the 38 has had the same air spring and damper for nearly 4 years. That’s something to 👀
Fox is just buttery smooth off the top with good mid support. I’ve had lots of bikes come with top end rockshox. They always felt harsh on little bumps and square edge. Fox will eat up little ones and still take the big hits. Not in the same league in my experience (if you understand how to setup/adjust suspension properly)
It’s funny so many people think I was rooting for Rockshox in this video. I had to barrow the Rockshox stuff to make the video and I own the Fox kit
@@OtterMTBtech I’m just giving my experiences. My 2021 levo came with a rockshox shock and no matter how I set it up, the bike felt awful. I put an x2 on and it was amazing 🤷♂️
I agree. Except a $400 Suntour coil will ride better than a X2@@TJ-po9ol
The cheap coil shock on the sur ron was better than any mtb shock ive used haha. The fork was terrible though@@OtterMTBtech
Did you use it on a mountain bike?
Did you still had the climb switch on on the x2? xD
I prefer it like that
And the ride characterics don't come from your set up?
The suspension theory is different
that was a very good/insightful video. i havent tried the vivid but i tried the others and absolutely agree, including with the way rockshox setup is - in fact, the super deluxe isnt far off setup wise. you really gotta nail the PSI and its not easy when you're at 250psi or more.
Superdeluxe is the worse shock I have ever dealt with, but really you can’t polish a turd so it’s a waste of time
@@OtterMTBtechFox float X over the new 2023 RS super deluxe air?
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Is it just me or is the X2 in lockout?
I like it half on. It just adds some compression doesn’t lock out.
Did you revalve the RockShox vivid for your bike?
No, the rebound range adjustments when be nice, but $200 plus tune to $700 shock is insult to injury
Is it a great comparison if one or neither of the shocks is tuned for your bikes specific kinematics and leverage ratios? The tune on a shock makes a huge difference in performance and ride quality.
I am aware of the tune. Fox doesn’t make bike specific tune X2’s unless they come with bike. They have 6 base tunes for off the shelf shocks.
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Um this video is funny , 😂😂
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You hit the brake after the jump when comparing the Vivid. Then you just say it isn't planted for no reason.Makes no sense. It has touch down technology Rockshox says
Definitely believe the marketing. it’s a good shock. It’s super poppy really life is a trade-off. Poppy means less traction.
X2 has a bigger tune range and runs circles around that vivid. End of day, x2 is for faster riders and eats chunk way better. I tossed both them shocks in the trash and only run coil both ends now but if I was to go air again , fox all day
It just depends. Rebound range in Fox is wider 😎
So rockshox is just worse
It depends on your preferences. Do you like half a inch of whip cream on your drink? Or do you like light cream. Compression heavy suspension is like whip cream.
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