The all-in-one headset to beat! - HTC Vive XR Elite

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  • čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
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    The HTC Vive was one of the best VR headsets when it came out almost 7 years ago, but since then, a TON of great headsets have released like the Oculus/Meta Quest and the Valve Index. Adam checked out HTC's booth at CES to see if HTC has been working hard over the last almost decade or if this is just a cash grab.
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    0:00 HTC is back!
    0:35 Specs and features
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    4:59 The controllers, hand tracking, and headset fit
    6:19 Gaming experience and passthrough camera
    8:02 Pricing and overall thoughts
    8:35 Outro
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  • @ShortCircuit
    @ShortCircuit  Před rokem +227

    To see more of Riley's Unsolicited Tech Tips, buy things from dbrand: shortlinus.com

    • @infernus6278
      @infernus6278 Před rokem +3

      This whole channel is one big paid advertisement, whole this garbage will come to an end sooner rather than later

    • @Requiemes
      @Requiemes Před rokem +26

      @@infernus6278 It's the channel of a company with more than 80 employees, how do you think you can afford all that without sponsors? Just skip the ads if you don't like them.

    • @thischannelisforcommenting5680
      @thischannelisforcommenting5680 Před rokem +2

      @@infernus6278 this is funny consider that this channel is like early day of LTT and they did roasted the hell out of manufacturer lol

    • @anumeon
      @anumeon Před rokem +4

      Dbrand stands for "Darned it, Bring Riley A Novel Duty"

    • @nickchampion2213
      @nickchampion2213 Před rokem +1

      @@infernus6278 Cry harder

  • @CptPatch
    @CptPatch Před rokem +791

    I love how confident they always are that the editors will save them from their mistakes.

    • @nomdom
      @nomdom Před rokem +22

      They have a good team and system in place!

    • @djwindkind
      @djwindkind Před rokem +3

      i hate how confident they bull shit, when they dont give a f about the product/category

    • @pirojfmifhghek566
      @pirojfmifhghek566 Před rokem +5

      @@djwindkind It's water under the bridge for the sake of our entertainment. It's not like they aren't still showcasing the product. Plus it's CES. I'd be surprised they even found time to poop during that week.

  • @notlNSIGHT
    @notlNSIGHT Před rokem +1498

    It's not a proper Quest competitor at $1200. Quest Pro, maybe. But Quest 2? Nah
    Edit: Now it seems a little more pointless with the Quest Pro's price drop

    • @on99kfc
      @on99kfc Před rokem +129

      This is a XR device, which should be a quest pro competitor. The quest 2 is just VR device. I think he just said it wrong.

    • @djbacca101
      @djbacca101 Před rokem +49

      He definitely misspoke, he is absolutely talking about the Quest Prk

    • @devluz
      @devluz Před rokem +31

      Quest 2 and Pico 4 are so cheap that I don't see how a hardware company that actually needs to make profit with the hardware can compete against them.

    • @DarkJOne
      @DarkJOne Před rokem +33

      ​@@bruhWTH43 Most consoles are sold at a loss, at least initially

    • @_shadow_1
      @_shadow_1 Před rokem +4

      @@devluz Simple, add features or improve upon them to justify the cost. It's why many people come around every upgrade cycle to upgrade their phones. Hell, some people don't even need that justification and just want to get the newest model.

  • @ChillJoe2002
    @ChillJoe2002 Před rokem +345

    8:13 Just want to say that the index is a lower resolution of 1440*1600 per eye vs. the 1920*1920 per eye of this headset. (The valve index does have a larger FOV though).

    • @pumpuppthevolume
      @pumpuppthevolume Před rokem +55

      yep and a bit larger fov makes it even less pixels per degree compared to this

    • @SlyNine
      @SlyNine Před rokem +5

      @@pumpuppthevolume perhaps. But that doesn't mean all of the pixels are in your fov. More could simply be occluded.

    • @weepgamer
      @weepgamer Před rokem +10

      I believe this new headset has a similar PPD of the Quest 2, which is a nice improvement over the Index... although the PCVR experience on a Quest 2 is a little subpar due to the compression going on over Wifi/USB. Considering the Quest 2's bitrate was limited by the XR2 chip, the same chip in the XR Elite... they really should have added Displayport support for a headset in this pricepoint. Headsets like the Pico Neo 3 Link have proven its possible.

    • @fayenotfaye
      @fayenotfaye Před rokem +3

      @@weepgamerit looks perfectly fine with the highest bitrate with HEVC unless you set your refresh to 120, ngl, you don’t need it unless you’re playing beat saber.

    • @pumpuppthevolume
      @pumpuppthevolume Před rokem +2

      @@SlyNine what ...one has bigger fov and lower res ....the other has smaller fov and higher res ....I was saying the bigger fov additionally lowers the pixels per degree on top of the resolution already being lower

  • @colororb4105
    @colororb4105 Před rokem +358

    Shout out to the musician actor at Vive's booth! He reminds me of classic E3

  • @David-jl7cz
    @David-jl7cz Před rokem +687

    I want to watch 2 hours of riley giving strangers tech tips.

    • @LaSDetta
      @LaSDetta Před rokem +12

      That would be so funny!

    • @realghostxd
      @realghostxd Před rokem +17

      We want a series, this is the 3rd time I have said this XD

    • @CakePrincessCelestia
      @CakePrincessCelestia Před rokem +2

      Needs to be a thing!

    • @bwood6337
      @bwood6337 Před rokem +4

      Don't do that to Riley

    • @Ubernaught012
      @Ubernaught012 Před rokem +4

      That'd be a good floatplane. Just all of them wandering around giving tips

  • @mattcy6591
    @mattcy6591 Před rokem +75

    I like his nervous look to the HTC rep off screen when he says "don't lie HTC..."

  • @hokayson6518
    @hokayson6518 Před rokem +273

    The adjustable diopters feature is SO GOOD. I wear glasses and have bought aftermarket lenses for my prescription for my Quest 2, but that reduces the FoV and my prescription changes slowly over time. Having adjustable focus in the headset fixes both those issues. I would happily pay a good chunk more for those features, but $1,099 with the same chip as the Quest 2 and only 90Hz...oof.

    • @raynlaze1339
      @raynlaze1339 Před rokem +3

      Yea it's good they think about it, wish they thought about people with worse eye sight like me, -8 could have been just that extra step instead of only -6

    • @hokayson6518
      @hokayson6518 Před rokem +9

      @@raynlaze1339 I think it gets more expensive to make decent thin lenses at higher prescriptions so I guess they have to draw the line somewhere, but yes I imagine it's very annoying if that line is just a little bit early for you 😕 I'm -5.25 in one of my eyes so if it keeps drifting slowly that way I'll be in the same boat as you.

    • @michel333alfa-kun3
      @michel333alfa-kun3 Před rokem

      I doubt it's the same chip. Quest 2 has xr2 gen 1 and it's severely underclocked. It might either be a new revision of the gen 1 or, maybe, even gen 2

    • @raynlaze1339
      @raynlaze1339 Před rokem +2

      @@hokayson6518 Yea I guess you're right. My eye sight also reduces slowly over time, it did get less and less drastic since a few years, but still by tiny amounts it's reducing sadly.

    • @hokayson6518
      @hokayson6518 Před rokem

      @@michel333alfa-kun3 it's being reported at the same chip, though I've not seen anything about clock speeds so if the Quest 2 is underclocked there's a chance it'll be a bit faster. But for something released 18 months later you'd hope they'd have something next gen with the usual performance uplift &/or power saving. The Elite XR is very small though, maybe I don't mind trading no performance bump for the extra comfort.

  • @shlubbert3355
    @shlubbert3355 Před rokem +247

    This would be amazing if it also had eye tracking for foveated rendering like the Quest Pro and PSVR 2 -- really sounds like that'll be a must-have for high performance VR rendering in the future.

    • @nicomicalz7877
      @nicomicalz7877 Před rokem +19

      Fairly sure they plan to sell an adapter later on for eye and face tracking

    • @Shotzla
      @Shotzla Před rokem +10

      They are, Squidward looking accessories.

    • @SnrubSource
      @SnrubSource Před rokem +9

      Yeah, HMDs without built-in face tracking after 2022 are DOA.

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Před rokem +28

      @@SnrubSource no, eye tracking seems interesting for foveated rendering, face tracking is fucking pointless imo.

    • @chrisdib9269
      @chrisdib9269 Před rokem +13

      @@SnrubSource Absolutely not but go off

  • @Meianju
    @Meianju Před rokem +8

    Thank you! I'm surprised by how many unique points your brought up compared to everyone else I've watched so far. Definitely need to see a full review of the final product, if it's still flimsy I will rather invest in a Lynx R1headset.

  • @noahosborne6454
    @noahosborne6454 Před rokem +80

    You can't say it competes with the quest 2 when it's twice the price, thats like saying the 7900x competes with an 13500.

    • @Valdivia9494
      @Valdivia9494 Před rokem +16

      Should have said Quest Pro instead, I think it's way better of a comparison.

    • @MethosOhio
      @MethosOhio Před rokem +5

      It does compete with Quest 2 as well if you want to an option to pay more instead of subsidizing the cost with your personal data. The true cost of a of Quest 2 is $400 + your privacy. And this has better lenses and color passthrough. So it depends how much your privacy is worth to you as to whether this is competitive.

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Před rokem +4

      @@MethosOhio while you're not wrong I do always find it funny to see that argument coming from people who seem to have no issue using Google and shit, heck some of them even use whatsapp....

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Před rokem +2

      @@MethosOhio Except Meta went the console route. Sell the headset for a loss, make money on accessories and game and DLC sales

    • @ZedDevStuff
      @ZedDevStuff Před rokem

      @@MethosOhio iirc the business version of the quest 2 is 600 dollars. Supposing it isn't subsidized too, the real cost of it is around that

  • @ozerune
    @ozerune Před rokem +96

    I love the glasses thing but at $1100 I'll be buying something else with a glasses spacer or an extra lens for it.

    • @SnrubSource
      @SnrubSource Před rokem +12

      Yeah lol, wouldn't really call it a """""consumer""""" headset if it's $800+

    • @xedrexgaming9579
      @xedrexgaming9579 Před rokem +6

      @SnrubSource The Valve Index is around $1200, is not standalone, and is a consumer-focused HMD.

    • @Nobody-Nowhere
      @Nobody-Nowhere Před rokem +7

      @@xedrexgaming9579 Pico4 is around 350-400$ and has way higher resolution than this.

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Před rokem +3

      @@Nobody-Nowhere way to miss the point...

    • @xedrexgaming9579
      @xedrexgaming9579 Před rokem +13

      @Nobody-Nowhere what I am saying is that there is such a thing as high-end consumer VR. Pico and Meta both heavily subsidize their headsets which is how they can push the prices so low. Remember that ByteDance and Meta own both many many different companies and they are both advertising conglomerates.

  • @fffrrraannkk
    @fffrrraannkk Před rokem +17

    Having a diopter or whatever it's called built in is really cool. Safe to say a lot of people who don't even wear glasses might be able to benefit from being able to make slight adjustments.

  • @AadidevSooknananNXS
    @AadidevSooknananNXS Před rokem +30

    Would a lav mic give better audio for in-conference coverage?
    Also, PROPS for calling them out on the resolution thing, that's what we call journalism!

  • @viggy2k66
    @viggy2k66 Před rokem +1

    Just a fantastic review. Thank you. So many other videos just skim passed the specs, but your in depth look at build quality and features was fantastic! Thank you!

  • @Pikminiman
    @Pikminiman Před rokem +15

    I'm glad HTC is still making VR headsets. This one looks like a decent return to form after they floundered for a few years post Valve partnership.

  • @caseyrice768
    @caseyrice768 Před rokem +6

    Love the positive review. I had a very good experience with my original of Vive which was replaced by the index but if you say with the tracking is a bit of a stretch so I don't use the index nearly as often as I would like. If I wasn't waiting for the psvr 2 I would definitely consider this a buy very soon

  • @flamingscar5263
    @flamingscar5263 Před rokem +7

    Boy I hope that title is meant to be "a real quest PRO competitor"
    Because at over twice the price of the quest 2 this is not competition
    That's like saying a Honda civic is competition with a Lamborghini

  • @twopercentgaming4630
    @twopercentgaming4630 Před rokem +14

    I'm pretty sure this is competing with the Quest pro, not the Quest 2

    • @zeroa69
      @zeroa69 Před rokem

      Then its an even worse comparison because the pro has a helluva lot more going on

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat Před rokem +1

      @@zeroa69 from what I hear that's not really true. They're both relatively good products that have their own advantages and weaker points. (I don't remember all the details, but Thrillseeker covered it)

  • @MrPicklepod
    @MrPicklepod Před rokem +20

    Man I do love that there is another option, but the issue is that Facebook is the only budget option. VR is going to continue to be dominated by Facebook until we get budget options for VR from other brands. I love VR but I refuse to use Facebooks machine, and I can't really afford these 1000$+ machines.

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Před rokem +4

      Pico4, though it's Bytedance (Chinese company that owns TikTok)
      So pick your poison I guess...

    • @fireaza
      @fireaza Před rokem +1

      Don't like Meta? Then get a Quest 2! Why? Because you can hack them to remove all the Meta connectivity! End result is you get a rather good budget VR headset, and Meta loses money, since they take a loss on each Quest 2 sold that they can't harvest any user data from!

    • @MrPicklepod
      @MrPicklepod Před rokem

      @@fireaza Can you run SteamVR games on it? Or do you still have to purchase through the Meta store?

    • @sampletext02
      @sampletext02 Před rokem +3

      @@MrPicklepod Steam VR is compatible with basically any VR headset, including Meta's.

    • @GmrLeon
      @GmrLeon Před rokem +2

      If it weren't for some VR diehards willing to deal with the devil & Valve spearheading their own headsets with HTC & then independently, Facebook may as well have killed the VR industry before it even got off the ground imo.
      Frankly, given that the pandemic's been a prime opportunity for the VR industry & despite that Facebook still hasn't turned a massive profit from their VR investments (which isn't to say they haven't been making some bank on it, mind), I'd be willing to say Facebook _has_ fumbled hard with promoting VR.
      They've undoubtedly helped adoption in some ways by eating the costs on the Quests, but they've repeatedly shot themselves in the foot through bad reputation, attempted account integration/consolidation, and very clearly signaling they want their own VR walled garden to collect literally as much data as they possibly can within legal limits (and then some in the gray areas, and more where they don't think the law's caught up yet). Oh and of course they also want their own VR walled garden so they can exact as much money from you as possible without platform fees they'd deal with via Apple/Google/Valve.

  • @FrostKittyPaw
    @FrostKittyPaw Před rokem +6

    Some major stuff that others probably mentioned: The headset is not native SteamVR - it's compressed just like the Quest 2. Also, Index has a lower resolution than the XR Elite.

  • @RefinedRags
    @RefinedRags Před rokem +6

    For that kinda price I would want the plastics to be carbon fiber

  • @n45a_
    @n45a_ Před rokem

    finally, ive been waiting for you guys to cover this one

  • @ChristopherToro
    @ChristopherToro Před rokem +1

    I'm super interested in this headset, I like that you don't have to wear glasses with it, that part of the Oculus quest 2 always made me nervous about scratching the lenses (even with the spacers and frame attachment), I hope htc takes into consideration some of the critiques in this video to get it ready for prime time!

  • @Post_Polar
    @Post_Polar Před rokem +31

    The Meta Quest 2 (2020) offers a 120Hz refresh rate compared to the 90Hz HTC Vive XR Elite (2023). Both headsets use the old Snapdragon XR2 with active cooling.
    Later this year the XR2 Gen 2 is expected with up to 3x GPU performance jumping from 7nm to 4nm.

    • @noxious_nights
      @noxious_nights Před rokem +18

      $1,100 headset that can't even match the refresh rate of something less than half its price

    • @vgaggia
      @vgaggia Před rokem +3

      If you've used vr you'll know that FOV is way more important some people don't even get that immersion feeling with quest 2 like fov

    • @JohnDoeC78
      @JohnDoeC78 Před rokem +3

      That's why I love my just bought Valve Index VR with 144hz and bigger FOv

    • @devluz
      @devluz Před rokem +9

      It really depends on what is important for you. It does have better lenses, sub 300g weight with PCVR, much smaller and better comfort, wider FOV, proper depth sensor, better passthrough for XR and HTC makes their money with the hardware not your data. I see quite a lot of value in this headset.

    • @vgaggia
      @vgaggia Před rokem

      @@JohnDoeC78 i got a pimax instead cause i found one for a good price i love the fov, but the comfort is.. improvable, to be kind

  • @maartenkeus8627
    @maartenkeus8627 Před rokem +3

    "finger on the trigger, as we do here in the US" 💀💀
    What a legend

  • @JohnDoeC78
    @JohnDoeC78 Před rokem +2

    Happy with my just bought Valve index. It wasn't available in Australia for so many years untill recently!

  • @PeterSanderse
    @PeterSanderse Před rokem +1

    The big stand-out is the build-in support for (simple) glasses - all they need now is visual adjustments in software to allow people like me with both prism and cylinder adjustments, to use a VR device! We're getting there!

  • @jeffreytong
    @jeffreytong Před rokem +3

    Powerful new XR2? It's the same chip the Quest 2 launched with in 2020. Not sure I'd consider 2 hours great battery life. It's at the lower end of Quest 2 estimates.

  • @kostihouse
    @kostihouse Před rokem +3

    This is crazy, instead of making a better headset than the quest2, they make something that is equal, but costs three times as much.
    For example, why does nobody make a standalone headset, that you can also connect to a pc, without streaming the picture as a video, so your gpu has to work on additional workload? That would be a nice feature.

  • @happyteaspoon5436
    @happyteaspoon5436 Před rokem

    Built in prescription adjustment! I love that that's a things. Might just need to start saving

  • @ssjaken
    @ssjaken Před rokem +2

    I'd love to hear about the company privacy settings for these things.

  • @qlum
    @qlum Před rokem +17

    While I do like the dial for glasses, ordering prescription lensen to put in your vr set is also a thing and definitely worth it.

    • @ulrar
      @ulrar Před rokem +6

      That assumes you're the only one using it, for a 1100 price tag that's a big assumption. Much better to have that dial so you don't have to keep swapping

    • @PlayerBush001
      @PlayerBush001 Před rokem

      The only problem is that you're adding another layer of glass in front of the lens that wasn't there before. I find it causes some offsetting of the image when looking to the side of the screen. Would be interesting to see if a headset designed with that in mind would do better.
      Hope it won't be easy to knock the dial too though. Think it was a past one of theirs, but there was a headset that often went out of focus because of that

    • @justitgstuff5284
      @justitgstuff5284 Před rokem +3

      @@ulrar Plus you don't have to pay like $70 for each prescription. Also, at least for me, my prescription has changed over time. Not dramatically, but being able to make it slightly stronger over time if I need to would be a great feature.

    • @tams805
      @tams805 Před rokem +1

      Honestly, at point just get some contacts.

    • @qlum
      @qlum Před rokem +1

      @@tams805 Not really, I really only wear glasses for further away, when sitting behind my desk I generally don't use them. Wearing contacts just for VR really would be too much of a hassle.

  • @Bentley2210
    @Bentley2210 Před rokem +3

    "That's not 4k!" - *looks at HTC Staff*
    Love it!

  • @lonelyPorterCH
    @lonelyPorterCH Před rokem +2

    I like the reverbs / valve index audio more^^
    The dial so you don't need glasses is very cool though :D

  • @pranavbadrinathan6693

    I will always watch all dBrand ads that any of you do. Such innovative advertising is what has made them a part of my memory, so even if I don't have anything to buy now, when I do, I will for sure remember them lol.

  • @TheDecree93
    @TheDecree93 Před rokem +17

    The glasses diopter thing is absolutely the biggest selling point of these to me and a bunch of others. Still expensive but if the diopter works well…absolutely nothing beats that

  • @Neoxon619
    @Neoxon619 Před rokem +17

    I wish they did 2 cameras for better depth for the pass-through vision, but this looks solid. Though I’m curious to see what Apple brings to the table.

    • @XxXnonameAsDXxX
      @XxXnonameAsDXxX Před rokem +2

      @@RecRoom_Stuff at least they will probably change the game. I hope.

    • @iNSANELYSMART409
      @iNSANELYSMART409 Před rokem +3

      Pretty sure the one apple wants to make isnt eveen for gaming

    • @RogerEssigArtist
      @RogerEssigArtist Před rokem

      yep, 3D reconstructed, accurate stereo mixed reality passthrough via two IPD-spaced cameras is damn cool. it makes all the difference.

    • @DarkReturns1
      @DarkReturns1 Před rokem +1

      Apples headset will just add to the segmentation of the VR market and I doubt it'll be focused on gaming

  • @P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV
    @P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV Před rokem +1

    I'm only interested in whether this finally has enough resolution and good enough passthrough that I can have an immersive multi-monitor mixed reality experience, where text is crisp and sharp in my editors.

  • @SamTheMan55555
    @SamTheMan55555 Před rokem

    Love the subtle shots between D-brand and LMG.
    Like the “Overpriced stickers” and the “shortLinus” web link to d-brand 😂

  • @remigoldbach9608
    @remigoldbach9608 Před rokem +8

    Hope valve comes with the second generation this year

    • @connerwilson7056
      @connerwilson7056 Před rokem

      Same, I’m torn about picking up an index or waiting for the index 2 to come out.

  • @Standard.Candle
    @Standard.Candle Před rokem +1

    Holy shit, whatever marketing guru greenlit that French composer for CES is a bloody genius.

  • @MGlBlaze
    @MGlBlaze Před rokem +2

    It's more expensive than the Valve Index but only offers a 90hz refresh rate and those speakers might get loud but I don't know if they (or the mic) will actually sound *good.*
    Some very nice features with the perscription adjustment and some modularity, but I'm not in a hurry to get a new headset if it means I have to downgrade anything, especially something as important as the refresh rate. I personally also don't consider the tether wire or the base stations a downside so my 'important features' heirarchy is probably quite different to the people this headset is targeting.

  • @zwenkwiel816
    @zwenkwiel816 Před rokem +29

    I think they definitely win in the coolest looking headset category, these oversized aviators look way cooler than those chunky brick or shapeless Blob designs of most other headsets. (Rift S was pretty dope too imo)

  • @_._._._._._._._._._._._._.

    1100€
    That's it, thanks for reading.

  • @swingly6061
    @swingly6061 Před rokem +1

    I bet someone else already pointed out the Index is not higher resolution (1440x1600 vs 1920x1920).
    It does have a native displayport signal though, so no compression artifacts.

  • @Expo017
    @Expo017 Před rokem

    That head set with out the stand alone hardware to drop price for use with a station!!😍

  • @Induratize2
    @Induratize2 Před rokem +5

    as someone approaching over -6 per eye I am glad to see that dial for people with glasses but I hope that becomes a standard in the headsets and not just on bazillion dollar ones

  • @chadef555
    @chadef555 Před rokem +3

    I was extremely hopeful about this headset because of all the features like dioptre ajdustement, extremely light weight, capable of wireless PC VR, pancake lenses. The resolution is decent - could be better but I could take it.
    However what killed it for me wasn't even the price. It was the FOV. It's comparable to Quest 2 FOV and I'm not gonna lie - while I did enjoy Quest 2 quite a lot I felt constrained a bit by FOV and after getting Index I couldn't go back to anything that would be significantly lower like that. E.g Pico 4 has only 5 degree less FOV - so that is an acceptable change for the clarity pico offers. However Quest 2 FOV with that resolution is absolutely not okay. Also with this resolution they could've at least push it to 120 Hz. I'm okay with 90 as long as the resolution warrants clarity and no SDE.

  • @IamR3D88
    @IamR3D88 Před rokem +1

    I'm really struggling to pick a headset to replace the Rift. I like these controllers, external cameras, and dials for prescriptions, but it looks like when hooked to a PC, it wears like sunglasses. That concerns me that it could fling off. Hopefully they make an elastic band for tethered use

  • @Paradigmfusion
    @Paradigmfusion Před rokem +2

    I just got my Pico 4, within 20 minutes of using it, my quest 2 was reset, boxed up and sold. amazing headset. however, learning that this one can adjust instead of having to wear glasses or get repscription lenses, Im interested.

    • @thenonexistinghero
      @thenonexistinghero Před rokem

      Are you really willing to pay almost 3x the price for that though? You'd also be making a small step back in resolution. And the Pico 4 does have a few 3rd party options for a more comfortable face mask as well now. Also not sure what you'd be using it for... if PC VR, then it 'might' be worth it to you. If a lot of standalone usage... I don't see HTC having a really big marketplace for that.

    • @Paradigmfusion
      @Paradigmfusion Před rokem

      @@thenonexistinghero absolutely not lol

    • @aepfelpfluecker
      @aepfelpfluecker Před rokem

      Yep pico 4 is amazing with the pancake lenses, wayy better than quest imo

  • @DesuVR
    @DesuVR Před rokem +4

    Not your best video, guys. There's a number of inaccurate claims and statements like, just to name two, 2 hours is not amazing battery life, that's just par for the course. The controllers are similar to the Quest 2, not the Quest Pro, they're a whole different beast. I also hear they won't be natively compatible with the Vive trackers pucks which is a huge letdown.

  • @markdavenportjr5129
    @markdavenportjr5129 Před rokem +12

    Anything that is standalone is AWESOME! Heck my brother got the family a Meta Quest 2 and I LOVE IT! So much to a point to where I will get my own headset next month when I get paid. :)

    • @homelessrobot
      @homelessrobot Před rokem +4

      agree to disagree. anything standalone is a crappy computer on your face, and mid-to-high end desktop computers with mid-to-high end graphics card can struggle mightily with many vr titles. which is a bonus if the pcvr performance is basically indistinguishable from a normal pcvr headset. Its nice to leave your computer behind and have some option. but it is not worth a grand on its own, or with the gimmick of 'basically also a pcvr headset if you like crappy jittery streaming compression over wifi or usb'

    • @ArnoldSig
      @ArnoldSig Před rokem

      @Game Over Not an expert but I know the latest USB-C cables can transfer 10Gbts of data every second. Surely that is good enough for good, tethered PC VR experience?

  • @brandonrose8123
    @brandonrose8123 Před rokem +2

    I feel like you kept comparing it to the quest 2 but for the price and features I think it makes more sense to be a quest pro competitor. I'd like to know how it stacks up to that instead

  • @rubbers3
    @rubbers3 Před rokem

    I love the perscription thing, as a glassess wearer with around -5 on both eyes and I can't wear lenses, so it's a really good soltion.

  • @AndreiTache
    @AndreiTache Před rokem +9

    Man, I was so hyped to sell my Quest 2 and buy this untill I heard that $1200. I really wish there were any decent competitors to Facebook in low-budget vr :(

    • @classicrockonly
      @classicrockonly Před rokem +3

      Same. I just want something that’s not Meta. I hate feeding The Zuck’s machine

    • @a9904102
      @a9904102 Před rokem +3

      Ever heard of pico 4?

    • @goodtyme
      @goodtyme Před rokem

      the only one is pico 4 and maaybe hp reverb g2 assuming you have a good enough pc

    • @AndreiTache
      @AndreiTache Před rokem +1

      @@a9904102 I have, unfortunately it came out after I bought my Quest, but it does look interesting. The specs seem almost identical tho, so it doesn't seem worth it to switch for me, but I will keep an eye out for the Pico 5

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Před rokem

      @@a9904102 Doesn't exist in the US, and it doesn't support wired PCVR

  • @marioxdc123
    @marioxdc123 Před rokem +3

    Im exited to get a non facebook quest 2, even if it comes at a higher price

    • @ized88
      @ized88 Před rokem

      The pico 4 is a thing and a real quest 2 competitor.
      I still have hope that the valve decker is a thing. A direct linux vr headset would be awesome

    • @MethosOhio
      @MethosOhio Před rokem +4

      @@ized88 Yes, but the pico is also tied to a social media company and the Chinese government. That's not a better arrangement.

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Před rokem

      @@MethosOhio And it's not even available in the US

    • @zeroa69
      @zeroa69 Před rokem

      @@notlNSIGHT it is if you buy it from their german retailer.

    • @zeroa69
      @zeroa69 Před rokem

      @@MethosOhio yes but the pico doesnt require any of that jazz yo function. Quest 2 no longer harvest all your data via fb anymore either. Its funny actually my account was made for rift cv1 using fb. I was able to unlink the account and it told me i have to register a meta account to play online etc but ive not done that at all. It tells me to everytime i want to dl a game but lets me get it anyways and online works fine.

  • @Fay7666
    @Fay7666 Před rokem +1

    I do hope they offer a PC-only version, as I don't really have a use for built-in VR. I'm having controller issues with my WMR, and MS abandoned us. I'm heavily considering just going Index, but a PC only version of this could make sense.

    • @DarkReturns1
      @DarkReturns1 Před rokem

      Index has a ton of build quality issues. I would not recommend it unfortunately

  • @Bassquake76
    @Bassquake76 Před rokem +4

    1200 bucks?! Oof.

    • @xmlthegreat
      @xmlthegreat Před rokem

      Or as they say in French, Oeuf.
      (I know it means egg, but it also stands in for a big fat Zero which is the chance that this thing has to compete against the Quest 2 on price).

  • @ram3n515
    @ram3n515 Před rokem +4

    Having glasses and wanting VR, this is a perfect product for me

    • @JerryorTom
      @JerryorTom Před rokem

      Honestly! I’ve had glasses my whole life and my vision is bad enough that contacts isn’t really an option for me so having something like this on a headset is amazing!

    • @jsVfPe3
      @jsVfPe3 Před rokem

      My right eye is -7.5 so I guess I couldn't use it... but I am pretty blind so fair enough. I had a Rift S and a Quest 2 and have no problem just wearing glasses or contacts underneath.

    • @MHWGamer
      @MHWGamer Před rokem

      @@jsVfPe3 do you really need to wear glasses with the vr headset. We with -8 are short sighted, so we should see the screen crystal clear when it is just a few centimeters away from our eyes.
      At least that is what I experienced ob the limited test time I had with vr/ar

    • @ram3n515
      @ram3n515 Před rokem

      I would guess that its because you can't really wear glasses with the headset especially since the light cover is not as magnetic, and since that's the case then you would need that lens adjustment. If only it wasn't eleven hunge ($1100)

  • @cashnelson2306
    @cashnelson2306 Před rokem

    LMAO the nervous glances at the HTC guys when calling out the 4K line

  • @Kscharmota
    @Kscharmota Před rokem

    Thank you for giving an actual review

  • @ewanlaird
    @ewanlaird Před rokem +8

    You definitely don't need a 'hacky workaround' to play steam games on the quest 2

    • @iNSANELYSMART409
      @iNSANELYSMART409 Před rokem +2

      Yeah that part was a straight up lie.

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Před rokem

      Well it's still hacky. It's not a native connection to the PC or to SteamVR. You gotta first go through Link (which isn't a native USB and DP connection to the PC, but instead does a shit ton of compression and encoding), then you gotta go through Oculus' app... Then Steam VR. Each of those extra steps adds LAG.

    • @iggyiggz1999
      @iggyiggz1999 Před rokem +1

      @@notlNSIGHT Clearly you never actually used the Quest 2 for this purpose, as the latency or "lag" is extremely minimal and really only slightly noticeable if you are a decent player in a fast paced game like Beatsaber

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Před rokem

      @@iggyiggz1999 I literally daily a Quest 2

  • @nyasham1
    @nyasham1 Před rokem +8

    Yikes $1100… I see why you left that until last. I’ve never gone soft so fast in my life

  • @Aaronspark7
    @Aaronspark7 Před rokem

    Looking forward to this coming out

  • @sturdybutter
    @sturdybutter Před rokem +1

    God I love how much Riley hated doing those ad segments

  • @TheAlmosted
    @TheAlmosted Před rokem +5

    I see a lot of comments about it not being a decent competition to other, less pricy or more feature rich headsets. However, it's the first headset that has decent support for AR, and which is not made by Facebook (Meta might want to distance itself from their bad reputation by renaming, but they will always be Facebook in my eyes).
    For people like me who wouldn't buy any VR headset before decent Augmented Reality is implemented, and that don't use Facebook and don't want to make a Facebook account to use their device, it's the first headset I'm actually considering.

    • @noxious_nights
      @noxious_nights Před rokem

      You haven't needed a Facebook account to use a Quest for like 2 years now

    • @TheAlmosted
      @TheAlmosted Před rokem

      @@noxious_nights Well, I didn't keep up with Facebook, so thanks for the update. I still don't support what they do, and I do vote with my money!

  • @oQrn
    @oQrn Před rokem +9

    $1200 ?
    I hate using anything related to Meta but Quest 2 wins EASILY.
    with $1200 I at least would expect full hands tracking at least and maybe Eyes tracking.
    with these two I can "Kind of" accept the price.

    • @t.jrocket2589
      @t.jrocket2589 Před rokem

      It's not a quest 2 competitor. It's a quest pro competitor

    • @chriscowey7464
      @chriscowey7464 Před rokem

      @@t.jrocket2589 and it barely competes against the quest 2, never mind the pro. The quest 2 can do 120hz

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Před rokem

      Spend an extra $300 and you could get a Quest Pro, that has full hand and eye tracking.

    • @oQrn
      @oQrn Před rokem

      @@t.jrocket2589 If that's the case than quest 2 kind of wins easily.

  • @houjous5131
    @houjous5131 Před rokem

    How good is the colors? I'm looking to see if I could replace a small art monitor with a headset.

  • @zukarimoto_q
    @zukarimoto_q Před rokem +1

    The XR Elite's direct competitor is the Quest Pro. VIVE Focus 3 is HTC's answer to Quest 2.

  • @svartholstjornuson6215
    @svartholstjornuson6215 Před rokem +3

    Competing with the Quest 2 at three times the cost. Real good idea there, HTC.

  • @vherostar
    @vherostar Před rokem +8

    1100??? How is that a competition?? Click baiting overdrive here. It's gonna flop at that price. Looks sick though.

  • @devluz
    @devluz Před rokem

    This headset is perfect for arcade style setups / virtual laser tag with several players & similar. You can exchange the battery without shutting it down. It has a proper depth sensor and passthrough. It is extremely light if used without battery. I can see this getting very successful for businesses that sell VR experiences. Not sure if this will be a success for home consumers though at that price point.

  • @DavidBrown-bs7gg
    @DavidBrown-bs7gg Před rokem

    Need to see what the screendoor effect is like.

  • @taborgilzinger8522
    @taborgilzinger8522 Před rokem +3

    Really buried the lead with the price. More of a quest pro competitor, and the quest pro has more features.

    • @Skrenja
      @Skrenja Před rokem

      The Quest Pro is junk (besides the controllers)

  • @sietsedegrande213
    @sietsedegrande213 Před rokem +4

    This video is so full of mistakes.

  • @retrin9856
    @retrin9856 Před rokem

    This is my favorite headset so far. I just wish the resolution was higher.

  • @mundzine
    @mundzine Před rokem

    So is the valve index² ever going to come out?

  • @marleensrain
    @marleensrain Před rokem

    man thats nice i want one already

  • @andrewjmarx
    @andrewjmarx Před rokem +2

    Given that the perceived resolution is dependent on the distance to the eye, the optics, and the screen resolution, wouldn't it be better to report/emphasize the angular resolution or pixels-per-degree (PPD)? The same screen resolution on two different head sets could lead to totally different experiences depending on these other factors. Beyond that, I think pixel response time is also extremely import for VR (as is refresh rate, but that at least is commonly reported in marketing materials).

    • @gyroninjamodder
      @gyroninjamodder Před rokem

      PPD is better, but it's not the whole story. The optical system is not going to be ideal so the picture quality of two headsets with the exact same PPD can look different. A bad optical system will make the picture look blurry despite having a high PPD. This is where measurements like MTF come in.

    • @charltonrodda
      @charltonrodda Před rokem

      also, emphasising PPD leads to headsets with like 60° FoV trying to max their PPD. I have a high FoV headset (Index) and a high PPD headset (Reverb G2) and between those, I'll definitely choose more FoV.

  • @RolandDobbins
    @RolandDobbins Před rokem

    Will these also function as just a regular headmounted display, like Rokid or Nreal AR glasses?

  • @TinchoX
    @TinchoX Před rokem +1

    Lol @ 3:08 I could feel the burn from even over here!
    Looks good and all but rather pricey.

  • @MethosOhio
    @MethosOhio Před rokem

    I'll be waiting to see if this has a good mic and support for the games I use in standalone mode. VRChat, RecRoom, Contractors, Real VR Fishing, and Population: One.

    • @notlNSIGHT
      @notlNSIGHT Před rokem

      So will I. If the mic is good, it'll be tempting.

  • @Frigobar_Ranamelonico
    @Frigobar_Ranamelonico Před rokem +1

    Onestly the only stand alone headset that I found interesting on this CES, is the pimax crystal.
    Hope it will be a good headset.

  • @Spo8
    @Spo8 Před rokem +2

    "You're not going to be locked into the Oculus ecosystem and have to use a hacky workaround to play your SteamVR games."
    But that's not the case with Oculus headsets. They're officially supported by SteamVR the same way the Vive and Index are...

  • @PortableFreezer
    @PortableFreezer Před rokem

    Hahaha Riley, this was the best street tech tip yet

  • @deathofthemagi
    @deathofthemagi Před rokem

    I love that I won't need my glasses. I wish they had done something to help keep the lenses from fogging though. Thos are the two main reasons I don't use either of my headsets much

  • @Eekary2
    @Eekary2 Před rokem +1

    You don‘t need a hacky workaround to connect the Quest to Steam. When the Quest is connected to your PC, Steam VR recognizes the headset immediately.

  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 Před rokem +1

    But can I use it as a defacto wireless display to play heavy VR games with my PC?

  • @Vitoreo
    @Vitoreo Před rokem

    happy to see HTC start the ditch the wand design more and more.

  • @666dreamboat
    @666dreamboat Před rokem

    Love the diopter, love the battery at the back! HTC really doing good work, hopefully they get some market share before apple shows up!

  • @Girvo747
    @Girvo747 Před rokem +1

    I know it’s expensive. But it’s feature set - the diopter adjustment alone, plus the pancake lenses, is amazing for me. The Quest 2 I have is good sure, but the lens inserts I have so I can see suck lol, the FOV sucks, the weight sucks for PCVR usage. This fixes basically all of that

  • @gaffgarion92
    @gaffgarion92 Před rokem

    dbrand trying to get Riley to do Billy on the Street but with Tech Tips is pure gold

  • @PowerStudios1000
    @PowerStudios1000 Před rokem

    Can you adjust these lenses if you are longsighted??

  • @CHEESYhairyGASH
    @CHEESYhairyGASH Před rokem +2

    The quality of recruitment at LMG is off the charts

  • @nimrodlevy
    @nimrodlevy Před rokem

    This bloke is very cool! Great addition to ltt!

  • @tremewilson
    @tremewilson Před rokem

    to use steam vr on a quest 2 you just have to use air link or a passthrough cable which are both native features on a quest 2. 3:00 what "hacky workaround" is he referring to?

  • @rileyguy5892
    @rileyguy5892 Před rokem

    The valve index does *not* have a higher resolution. A correction would be appreciated.

  • @SLDoughts
    @SLDoughts Před rokem

    I really like the ability to use the VR headset as lenses like RX glasses. I just also need it at like. -13

  • @babygorilla4233
    @babygorilla4233 Před rokem

    Oh man we got that good live show chaos vibe going on today.