3 Days With Ableton Push 3, What It Made Me Realize
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that's a heatsink, the i3 cpu is passively cooled(no fan), also if your just launching clips why not recommend a launchpad
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Looking GR8 at anytime of day 😍😂
Looks like Mario is also ready for the new schedule, ha!
Been watching on and off for years. Not sure when you began speaking this bluntly all the time but this channel is like therapy for me now. Thank you for being real and not just being a product sales person.
I spent last year selling all my gear, it was the best move ever. Entire modular + cases, hydrasynth, tracker, polyend play, mpc live 2, the list goes on and it was much more than that. I now only have my op-1 field, sp 404 mk2, polybrute and a minifreak im going to sell. And my laptop. AND! I have only been using my laptop, even using the typing keyboard to keep the setup even smaller. Gear is fun but it took me a long time and a ton of money to realize I hardly made any music and was so lost in the cables trying to run evertything into everything and midi everything. It was dumb. Good luck on your quest to make music.
I love hardware as it’s a limit. When I dropped the pc my productivity shot through the roof. It’s just obscenely expensive
I had this issue as well but I realised that it's because I was trying to run the hardware set ups like what we have in a DAW with everything on tap. Now I just connect 1 or 2 pieces together and then use that and record into the DAW. Also I found the ERM multi clock was the best buy as it allowed me to record the audio in ableton with next to no latency so my hardware always plays in perfect sync with other recorded stuff in Ableton.
I don't like vst's, I think they sound too bright when you open up the filters and a bit plasticky, so I stuck with my hardware synths and groove boxes.
Tmk a LOT of pro’s use inky the laptop with a mouse, master the keyboard shortcuts and use a cheap/ shitty midi keyboard for drums/searching chords but that’s it, more money for room treatment and speakers/monitors.
I think a DAW plus one good controller is all you need. The limits discussed in this video can be self-imposed in the DAW with a tiny bit of discipline.
@@dddvision That’s the theory, but I’ve yet to see it lol The limitations are mostly synth based, so you explore what you have as there’s nothing else.
You could get away with GarageBand and 1 synth tbf.
Thanks for your honesty, you are evolving and now ready to focus on doing your best work. I’m excited for you. The best is yet to come. Good luck
I’ve been a music producing hobbyist for about 35 years now and love hearing you talk about the gear and industry. I may not have a clue about the gear you use (mainly a synth and DAW guy) and I’m in total awe at how the younger Gen can use new tech and find new ways of creating. Keep it up!
Hi JAde Wii. Really great video. I love your perspectives regarding focusing on creating music and getting rid of tech and gadget distractions. I really relate to your experience. 👍
The thing on the bottom is the heatsink. Heat is transfered from the standalone cpu, through the case, and into that heatsink. If you unscrew it from the base you will just see the standard flat base of the case, and have to take it all apart more to see the battery, cpu and ssd.
Did yours arrive Steve? I’m still waiting
@@breslin44 Yeah I got it last Tuesday and love it.
I actually canceled my Push 3 order a few days ago, because I realized I didn’t need it. Day by day, defeating GAS.
My push 3 works just fine. Haven't had any crashes at all.
I am loving your shorter form videos that get to the point. And the honest feedback.
The last part is EXACTLY where I’m at rn. Im SO tired of watching endless videos on gear and workflow hacks and just want to get back to doing my damn music. Laptop w/ableton, MPC One, arturia keylab , and mic. Ehhhh kind of wanna add a SP404 to the mix but that’s IT. 😂 I’ve been messing around for too long too and I can do full songs singing and all..let’s go Jade!!
here's my take on Push 3, and also gear and finishing tracks as I'm currently in exactly same scenario as you. I got Push 3 standalone last week, honestly I sold my Push 2 6 months ago as I wasn't really using it and had a full size synth/midi controller I started using instead with Ableton. And I just jammed and overdubbed ideas quickly with that thing. I bought a new faster laptop a week before the Push came out and just installed my projects on that to finish my EP, and that's all I'm doing, using a laptop with a pair of headphones and finishing stuff. I don't need new ideas or distractions right now. But The Push I think has its place. I can't pick it up to help me arrange and finish a track, which is good in a way as it would prob distract me. I know that when I switch it on, I'm jamming and exploring and capturing new ideas and jams, and that's cool, it separates workflows for me a bit. I have it in another room/desk than my main computer/monitors spot, and actually using it to sample other bit of gear like op-1's modular stuff etc and instantly get it into the starter of a new Ableton project is actually subtle but much more efficient than when I just normally capture it into one of my sound recorders and end up with a random file name WAV I need to fish through later and turn into something. I can see me using it live once I can trust it for any bugs maybe in a few months time. Pads to me are worth it alone if you're looking for highly expressive MPE pads, if you're just bashing basic stuff out, then might not be the same consideration. And lastly, if you forget it's Ableton inside there and think it's a black box with a version of max msp inside, the potential of an amazing M4L personal live instrument is super exciting to me for live stuff with the MPE support. 🙃
Awesome review! Thank you
Awesome video Jade 😊👍👍
Jade spitting straight up facts! Huge inspiration, thanks
Can’t wait to hear more of your music!
Appreciate the honest review, Thank you!
I can appreciate the honesty in this video. Seems like everyone I’ve seen talking about it has been blowing smoke.
Have you upgraded the software? 🤔 I've got it for a week and had one crash so far. (While doing some extensive sample editting.) ...anyway, I do love this thing. I plan to use it as an MPE controler at home and later play some small-ish gigs in the SA mode. But even at home. Like the other day I was doing renders for a mastering sesh I did for a friend. That ment my main Ableton was busy. I just switched Push to SA mode and made one or two new ideas to work on later. Also I love this idea of people having it as a quick sampling groovebox next to a vinyl player. ...with straight wi-fi line to Ableton. There's so many new usecases that can be made with this paradigm. I Love it. ...and when they iron bugs, add User Mode in SA and possibly bring Arrange view in the future, it's gonna be epic.
I am having the same revelation right now. I have all of this gear that I have collected basically since the pandemic. While I love using MPC, Maschine, Push 2 etc the dirty little secret is that I have not been particularly productive or effective at using any of them to actually COMPLETE a track. Most of my finished tracks are coming from just using Ableton directly. I like doing everything at the same time so usually I will create an idea, mix it and edit it all at the same time when I use Ableton which is forcing me to just have to admit that is my most efficient workflow. So thinking of selling all of my gear and just continuing to use a Keystation 49 and a MPD 218 to actually get tracks finished haha! Might keep the SP 404 Mk II as well. The simplified workflow and the effects have kept me interested. Love your content and the fact that you keep it honest and helpful!
I also have recently acquired a Push 3 Standalone for some T&E… so far, so good. I haven’t had any crashes, but the one thing that is posing a challenge for my setup is that Wi-Fi connectivity to your computer… my desktop does not have Wi-Fi. Ableton’s online manual states that an Ethernet cable can be connected to Push 3 via the USB A port and connected to same router in your network, but it is not working. In the meantime until I can figure it out I’ll connect it to my laptop.
In comparison to my MPC SE, I would say that it’s going to take me some time to stop trying to touch the Push 3 screen! Lol! Boot up time takes a bit on the Push 3. The MPE pads are a joy to utilize!
I’ll continue to mess with it… get accustomed to the workflow. It looks like it’s going to stay in the workspace.
Appreciate the honesty. I have mine on pre-order and I’m honestly fine with the 2 month wait because it means that some of these bugs might be addressed before I get it. For me it makes sense because it simplifies my entire setup (Minifreak, Push3… that’s it!) and let’s me focus on producing. Had the same problem with GAS in the past and it did not serve me one bit. It actually stifled my creativity.
Let us know how it worked out, now that you've had it two months.
@@allancerf9038well, I love it. and it’s also pretty buggy and is missing some essential features. it has a bright future but it may be another 6months-year before many of the kinks are worked out. no intent on selling it tho. it’s capable of amazing things especially if you know your way around Max/MSP. many have complained about the price but I feel that when you consider the totality of its features and the design it’s appropriate, personally.
I got a Novation Launchpad Pro MK3 last year and I'm happy with that. I can control a Volca Sample and Behringer Crave and start/stop an RD-6. It doesn't make as good of a keyboard substitute as I had hoped but I always have my trusty KeyStep for that.
Thank you for your honest thoughts Jade, the last minute of this video is pure transparency and something a lot of people don't want to admit. Funny thing is that lately I've seen the same statements from other music makers that have been in the game for a long time like and I respect like Venus Theory.
Agree completely! The gear can definitely be a distraction. Everything that comes out for better or worse can distract from working on your craft. I’ve been picking things up lately myself (nothing new, things that have been out for awhile and the hype has died down) and even that has slowed me down.
I guess on the positive side, we learn what adds to our creative process and what doesn’t fit (at least not atm).
Keep up the good work! Your vids are always insightful.
That last part hit home....gotta make a plan about consolidating to help actually write music, been struggling with that a lot..
Did you ever try the Akai Force? I wondered what you thought of it as I know you know the MPC workflow quite a bit. I'd imagine you'd find the size a bit much with that too.
I find new gear is inspiring. Putting extra gear away (out of sight) and using only a couple devices at a time has helped me finish music and get reinspired
I like the comments re gear, I’ve recently found myself completely disinterested in new hardware and enjoying just doing everything on a nerdseq, small Eurorack rig and ableton. All the Elektron stuff, hydrasynth, guitar, piano, external filters and reverbs, all the Eurorack sequencers…. All in the cupboard. And I’m actually getting stuff done.
Ms Wii , thank you so much for capping off this video with addressing the fact that sometimes the gear gets in the way of the process of writing and finishing songs. Too bad we get caught up in this . Thanks again champ.
That metal grid on the underside is in fact the heatsink for cooling the CPU.
I wonder how warm that grid is going to be when you put Push 3 on your lap.
I have the Push 3 controller version.
I like it a lot except for the fact that I miss buttons or knobs to move the play head or jump between transport markers.
As far as I know, you cannot do that at this moment with Push 3, which is pretty annoying.
Thank you for this honest and thoughtful review! Appreciate your thoughts. Sad to hear that there are bugs that keep occurring. I would hope and expect that Ableton released a product that would not have any bugs at all, but apparently even they fall into the trap of “release now, patch later.”
I'm glad you made the point about the cost of high end MPE controllers. I had not considered that😊
Agreed. I am waiting on the Maschime product MK4 OR SOMETHING . THANKS 5:22 FOR THE INFORMATION. THIS HELPING ME SAVE MONEY. with everything a learning curve l will wait to make my decision to buy one
THANKS ! I ✌🏽🙏🏼❤️
Thank you for saying what we knew for years, Time to get some music done”💪🏿 I come from the MPC 60 era and a time when we just learned one or two machines. Having GAS can hinder productivity. We have a saying when someone has gear upon gear “What does the music sound like?💪🏿
I will say, I was on my way to getting a lot of hardware. I’ve had plenty of gear, but all I have now is just three good synthesizers (Matriarch, 0-Coast, and DeepMind 12), one analog drum machine (Drumbrute Impact), and an MPC Live 2. Now that iPad has Logic Pro, I’m starting to realize that this is really all I need. The only things I still want (don’t need) in addition is a Rev2 and a Matrixbrute. Don’t know if I’ll ever get them tho
This was great. Sounded nice and honest. I only use Ableton for audio recording and do all midi with hardware…..and even recording the audio is out of necessity because freakin iPad update the OS and now my LP32 won’t work consistently with the IPAD anymore!!!! So angry. But I loved your video. You are so right about hardware. I’m just constantly buying things to try to do everything in one device and it never works out. Got the nautilus and planned to use that to do all mixing and everything in the nautilus itself. Well the sequencer is terrible, so I had to attach another sequencer to it, you have to resample instead of having an export song option….anyway, my plans always go to poop!
I appreciate your honesty. The improved pads for mpe and the fact that i wont have to lug my laptop and soundcard/mixer to gigs is appealing. However, i am thinking of using that 2 grand to buy a premium instrument to develop my sound: matriarch, terra, and zen delay are on the gas radar. ⚡️
Ps, tell us more about the pads. How are they compatible to push² ?
I’m glad you said what many content creators won’t say in regards to hardware is, all of this new hardware is distracting. This is the most honest review I’ve heard so far when it comes to the new push. I’m still on the fence with getting it and probably won’t for some time. My push 2 is fine and getting this probably will be a bigger distraction in me not getting work done.
Thank you, that was super informative. I agree. With everything, there is always so many shinny things, but its about doing what is effective and results .
You are 💯 percent right about everything. I’ve noticed social media is giving bad advice to people that doesn’t know music and is for the new generation.
I can relate to the Playing Around part. I came out the Rabbit Hole 2yrs ago with "Stuff" and a 505mk2 I don't think I need...
It started bcus I thought a Cheap Drum Machine would be a better Metronome to practice guitar...
But then I remembered I used to be pretty good with Rap and writing songs...
LSS
I learned alot but it's time to get serious
Serious enuff for ONE ALBUM and Let my 8yr old take over. SHE'S too thirsty
😂😅 Nice informative video. Nice Song too.
Agree about portability; the Push is so big in my backpack that I feel I may as well just carry my laptop with Live. For real portability, I use a Dirtywave M8, which is the size of a phone! (Same with the Polyend Tracker Mini).
Theres also the use case scenario where people still do a lot of work on the computer version but then transfer the set to the standalone push to take it out and about. Or the other way around, where some ideas are sketched out using the standalone but then transferred to computer to complete.
That's a lot of money to sketch something out with.
I know you made this 8 months ago but I love this device it's pretty amazing and it's only gonna get better
It is dope, glad it’s working out for you!
I totally agree with you on the crashing issue. Maybe you got a bad unit? But crashing so much tells me that it probably wasn't ready for release yet. Hopefully they fix the bugs in a future firmware update
I wonder if anyone knows you can use Lives’ Midi assign to use a regular midi controller to do just about anything the push can do.
Thank you
Thank you very much for being honest!!
I used to hate when people say "but you could just get a MIDI controller and a decent laptop for less money"... but getting older and/or just how this Push lineup represents itself, it seems very tough to decide to spend double when that extra G could easily buy even a nice Macbook let alone any number of great PC laptops... I really think Akai got the standalone thing right. Really wish Roland would make a modern MC-909, now THAT might be worth 2 grand, lol... (and actually its retail was almost 2 grand back then, wasn't it, hehehe)
you have the MC-707
It's not the battery it's for the heat,the battery is inside, weird shape too,saw a tear down video,but I'm super glad you are doing a video on the Push 3 coz your word is GOLD🙏🏾🙏🏾🔥🔥🔥Bless Up.. Peace
That's the heatsink on the back of the unit x
Preach!!!
I think the pads will be a boon for some. Linnstrument on a Push is nice, but still too expensive and under done, IMO. Following same path as Force. Force was released under done but grew into a song-finishing power house with awesome plugins available. Perhaps Push 3 will get there too, eventually?
It’s definitely useful to try different hardware and software, then narrow down. That kind of where I’m at. It can be an expensive distraction if you let it though.
I caught myself getting distracted by gear instead of making music. So definitely on the same page as you.
Good points. To answer your question about the crashing, my guess is that most DAW-less devices are running less complex code, with more limitations. Running Live Suite w/ Max...that's bound to be full of infinite possibilities, it's not possible to beta test it all. If they made a kind of Push version of Live, with some creative limitations, there would probably be fewer crashes. I'm guessing Live Intro is gonna crash less than Suite w/ Max.
4:04 That's like me. I've not made an actual album in a while. I've got a good workflow for myself together, but I need to stick with it & focus less on new gear.
Thank you.
Keepin it real!
Apc 40mk ii is a faster workflow as a controller and its what like 10years old! Pedal input works to stop active loop. Push3 pedal input doesn’t work to stop recording active loop and no instant rec arm dedicated buttons. I need a display for active track and dedicated rec arm button per channel strip so akai force in control mode was the natural choice with multiple vsts midi looping.
by the way, nice Tele behind you :)
That isn't the battery just a heat sink that somehow transfers the cpu's heat thru plastic case with something stuck to case and that metal plate bolted onto it. There is a yt video of one being disassembled.
Makes the mpc live2 look pretty good 😂
the most honest review
The controller version seems to be the best route until they fix the bugs and upgrade their CPU.
Apple M1’s in the used market are cheap right now. So for 2k you can get a M1 with 16GB of ram and a push 3 controller for the 2k price.
It would be interesting to know what OS it is running on.
Ableton is alright the one thing I don’t like that I don’t like is that when you buy this product you don’t get ableton live full version you only get ableton live lite that doesn’t make sense to me and you spend over 2000$ for it
Bting on the synth!!!
Ableton push 3 is over hyped ready now
Still a good controller competitive price compared to the Push 2 released many years ago for $800. This with MPE and interface built in for $1,000 seems right. I do wish they would have dropped the standalone version and spent more time with a touch screen display type.
Too much hardware has killed my music production. Sold almost everything and only us the OT/DT as my main samplers and Ableton for more polished productions.
How's it going your push 3 standalone? I pre-ordered and I'm waiting. But the bugs coming up on the ableton forums are scaring me. I may cancel until sort everything out.
Focused🎵 👍🏾❤️🎶❤️👍🏾
Not sure where you live Jade, but orders are backed up way further than that. I ordered stand-alone the day after release, and it’s still not coming until the end of July. I’m on the West Coast. I think Ableton but off more they could chew with the direct to consumer route, their customer support is drowning.
100% agree with her.
Thanks for the video!
What processes were you executing when it crashed those times?
I am the only one wondering if you can connect the push2 to the push3?
What were you doing when it crashed?
If you keep your controller close to your computer I see little use for something this heavy.
You go into Starbucks in say Berkeley, CA. You come back from the bathroom, it's gone. Or, it's not but people ask you why are you in a coffee shop hitting pads furiously with a headset on? While you shouldn't be self-conscious, it isn't something you see every day.
. The battery lasts 45 minutes.
. It's pretty heavy.
I agree with Jade Wii, finishing your work and getting into a workflow that you enjoy is probably a top priority. There are people who enjoy auditioning 100 kick drum sounds. But hobbyists?
Thanks for this review. I'm disappointed to hear how many crashes you've had in such a short time. I really want this unit, however, I'm going to wait until some updates come out.
Also, no mic or instrument inputs, right?
Now this is an honest review 👏 👏...MUCH RESPECT!
If you want good ultra fast workflow to get some ideas out and later work out complete tracks just get an iPad and some cool apps like koala sampler samplr endlesss or so many others it’s so much fun and intuitive instead of all those hardware problems that keep you away from being creative
I'm still using Push Gen 1. It's not broken. So buying something new feels kind of a waste. It does enough of what I want.
I had buyers remorse pretty quickly. The MPE was what interested me but the pads feel really stiff and I wasnt that impressed with the results i was getting for MPE stuff. I was making music much faster with just a launchpad pro (the pads feel way nicer) and mouse or a midi keyboard. I kept it though. Honestly it doesnt do anything particularly well for its expense in terms of my workflow. Youre paying for a so so audio interface on the computer controller model and standalone has some pretty serious limitations. (Battery life, not particularly great cpu, ram or storage/still pretty reliant on connecting with a computer to get your sounds in) It just gets in my way ya. That said it's kind of interesting when hooked up to hardware synths and modular stuff, maybe? I dont know.
ableton note is only for iPhone users?
Push 3, especially standalone is not worth the asking price at all! For that money you can have a Macbook Air M2 AND Push 2 and Ableton Suite.
It is worth it, if you already have a laptop and want a very good MPE controller (not standalone). It is only $200 dollars more than the Push 2 and this is many years later with a interface, ADAT support, and MPE. So if I didn't already have a push 2 I would get the Push 3 (non standalone) in a heartbeat.
@@Username_Invalid Nah.
Customers: "We want to make music without a computer"
Manufacturer: crams a laptop into a controller.
Customers: "Yaaaasss!!1"
The size and weight are definitely off-putting coming from a Syntakt as the main hardware inspiration. I wish the Push 3 was smaller (and less expensive). Still though, it looks like a really inspiring groovebox compared to the MPC Live 2 which I sold because the synths and effects didn't sound great and the workflow was a little clunky.
Yo JAde. Hear ya on finishing songs. Try working in Arrangement view instead of session. You'd be surprised how if forces you to push the song forward, and keeps you out of clip-launching hell. The problem with Session is that it boxes you into X bar loops, and you keep trying new stuff but you don't really get anywhere because why should have to make a decision or make a transition, you just make another loop. In arrangement view, you have to say "I'm going to transition into a B section with a hard stop (or a filter sweep, or whatever)".... Now I'm half talking out of my *ss, bec. I love session view and clip launching, but we have to get real and say that what people want to listen to is a good song........ cheers, and hope to see you again at Knobcon (been a couple yrs).
I record in Session view, then into arrangement view, then consolidate time to new scene back into sessions - have been for years, works for me.
All your remarks about arrangement view have validity.
For me, besides have a good musical idea (without which, why bother) the loop braces in Arrangement View are the most powerful thing in Live. By FAR. If you have a good ear, you can find entire wonderful sections, large and small, and create entire backing tracks, new rhythm parts, and with some work, entire new melodic parts incredibly quickly. I don't think this will ever stop being the most powerful thing in Live - by a mile.
Like others have said, most channels are pushing gear down our throats,and for the weak,it works. For me, it's got to work ALL the time or it gets canned, sent back, and the company will know how I feel in writing. I believe many companies rush out things, do not send out enough products to be tested by musicians actually making music,and instead,they go by opinions of folks with no credible works. Anyone can take a million dollars and buy a studio full of gear, yet less than 10 % of them will make a living with music. It's easy to sit at home and say how much gear is great, yet is that the real truth?I have a room full of gear and disconnected it to use a laptop, PolyEnd Tracker, Zoom recorder, and maybe the MV8800/bass/guitar.
you can get mpe for $200 in a few devices .... i got a push 1 and may upgrade to push 2 in about a year
I am thinking of returning mine. It's nice but heavy and gets really hot.
Are you returning it?
Yes. It’s really dope and playing on the pads is fun, but just not what I’m looking for in a stand-alone device. Was thinking of getting the controller but probably gonna hold off and get one of those $99 Akai keyboard things that has clips xD
@@JAdeWii_ Yeah, I feel ya. For $2000 you get a more than decent laptop, with a sound interface and a light controller.
Thanks for putting this video out, I am pondering for almost 2 weeks now if I should return it or not, and after watching this video, I sent a message to Ableton support.
My studio is convoluted with so much stuff, that I never used in my entire career.
In the end, it always boils down to a computer, 2 speakers, and a small controller.
I will keep it that way now and focus on actually making some music/videos.
@@JAdeWii_ Just bought the AKAI APCmini the newest version and love it for clip launching. So seamless and you can arm tracks with thumb and launch a clip with finger seamless if your going back and forth from track to track. I'm currently using my Push 2 for playing instruments and APCmin for launching and some fader movement.
Novation will probably sell a launchpad with MPE cheaper. At that moment Push 3 will not make too much sense
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0:07 it is not a battery, it is a heat sink for the CPU and yes it is not present on controller edition. By the way here is a video with disassembly of the Push3 and disconnecting its internals czcams.com/video/QoXwuAZ9p6M/video.html
Personally… I still think my iPad Pro running BM3 paired with a quality controller (I use an mpd232) is great. I got 6 gigs of ram and a sh*t ton of storage. I can air drop from my M1 Mac any stems. It just works. That’s just my humble opinion. Opinions are like ass holes. Everybody got one.
i heard it has software "considerations"
Great review Jade, and this reminds me of the review of the Maschine Plus when it crashed on you. To pay that money and be anxious while creating thinking it may crash is not cool🙏🏾✊🏾💚
the controller version is also heavier that push 2.