HEATED Rittenhouse Debate w/ Sam Seder
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- DEBATE: Destiny and Sam Seder debate Kyle Rittenhouse, misinformation and citizens united...
Date: 7 Jul, 2022
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Isn't there a big difference between left wing/liberal media putting out news of a police shooting - an actual event that happened - and the way right wing media invents stories like voter fraud, trans agendas, post birth abortions etc?
I think that difference is very important to remember, beyond the argument about what stories get coverage. I don't think you can have a world where every story receives a proportional share of coverage and still have news channels/programmes as we know it. You would have to reduce all news coverage to simple paragraphs in newspapers, with every story written once and once only (plus extra words for developments in the story), and I don't think that's tenable.
your assertion that 'the left' pushed Rittenhouse to the Right because they demonised him is weak. It assumes he wasn't already entranced by the sort of propaganda Fox News had been selling. But it's pretty clear he went to the protest with a picture in his mind about the BLM supporters - that they were dangerous, out of control, and morally wrong. You don't freak out and start shooting people unless you had already been primed to expect to come face to face with 'monsters'. And you're acting like he had no choice but to curry favour with Tucker Carlson and the rest of them. He did have a choice. And yes - he could have stepped away from the limelight appearing on Hannity doesn't actually change his day to day life. It doesn't make him invisible and it certainly doesn't give him any protection in the street.
It's a false dichotomy to claim he had to go to the right because the left demonised him. He could have just kept his head down and avoided all media.
People protect their property all the time without the need for weapons. Rittenhouse could have stood in front of the building he wanted to protect with a fire extinguisher. He could have brought his granny down there with all her friends and I guarantee you that any rioter who attempted anything would have been taken down by the rest of the protesters.
He didn't kill people who were trying to kill him. He killed people who he thought were trying to kill him. That's a very big difference.
whats interesting is that destiny buys stochastic terrorism and their arguments - but doesn't buy that bringing a gun while counter protesting like wise can be a risk so large that the decision to bring it can be seen as a causal factor
i think that's a bit of missed consistency, and just as people who speak of the great replacement commit moral wrongs - even though its probabilistically causal in causing violence is a direct parallel to kyle rittenhouse and bringing a gub.
@@bengreen171 That's not a good argument. Imagine if a business basically hired no black people and were like, "Well there are only so many jobs to give out to people...if we had to hire more black people we'd have to reduce everyone's hours by a lot." The question still remains: why are you disproportionately hiring certain people. Applying that to this case, why are they disproportionately covering one type of issue over another? Usually the only difference is race and that's a problem. It's not about how newsworthy something is but how valuable it is to helping them push their agenda.
@@ravenecho2410
and arguably, it's stochastic terrorism to whip up enough fear about the downfall of society, and rage about 'muh guns' and patriotism that has led to all the little Rittenhouses 'Ramboing' around with their AR-15's like there's a war on.
And if that's the cause - the effect is Rittenhouse using his weapon.
The idea that Kyle was some simple 'do-gooding' kid who just thought he was one of the Goonies is very hard to believe.
Seeing Sam Seder yell 'guzzling buckets of come' is the greatest thing that has happened in the Debatebro sphere this month. No wonder Steven decided to drop the manifesto and retire after that.
I hope he makes it a dono sound
what do you mean retire?
Its was soo funny when he kept mentioning those buckets, why is he so obsessed with these buckets i will never know.
Is he legit done with politics after the manifesto?
hold the fk up wdym retire
The citizens united back and forth I got his point on but the entirety of the Rittenhouse debate had me raging in my car
my man louis is a ddger the more you know
yeah even if I still don't agree with his framing I understand how seder was taking issue with it; I just agree with Destiny that the supreme court is literally there with the understanding that sometimes we have to make these watershed rulings that will effect more than just the case being ruled on at the moment by virtue of valuing consistency in law
Love your content Louis! I'm sure you enjoy listening on these on those long drives.
@@jettcs3218 yea he has based comments on a lot of vids
I was just thinking how your appearance on Seder’s show changed my opinion of him. After you gave him an answer he didn’t want. But couldn’t not agree with. He seemed angry and frustrated that was the case. And I couldn’t trust him fully anymore. Cheers!!!
There’s nothing worse than having a strong opinion on something that you know nothing about. I was heavily disappointed when Sam Cedar said he didn’t watch the trial. A trial is the laying out of facts and evidence. How can you make a decision if YOU DON’T GATHER FACTS FIRST??
That’s the thing about being ignorant… you can’t appreciate how flawed your opinions might be.
its seems more that seder was implying he doesnt watch televised court trials because of the media circus/spectacle they can become - he can still be well informed of the facts of a trial by reading court documents and reports since thats what we have done and still do with past trials before cameras in courts were a thing - what do you think? and is there something i might be missing or not understanding?
You obviously missed what the debate was about. Sam didnt come on to debate about Rittenhouse, he said repeatedly you will find no videos about the case he has made because he doesnt care. He came to debate Destiny saying he would guzzle buckets of cum if Rittenhouse was black and was creating outrage. Sams one and only point(and what they were supposed to be debating) was that Destiny was creating a strawman and doing exactly what he was accusing sam of by saying that. Destiny conceded that point almost immediately debate over, Sam won.
Everything after was just a discussion about a subject Sam doesnt care about, doesnt usually debate about but made an exception because he was having fun talking to Destiny.
The kid was looking for an opportunity to use his gun and he made that happen. That’s all you need to know.
You just like that he shot a racial justice protester (you’d call all of them rioters)
He said it himself: he wants to discourage as many people from confronting protestors with guns as possible. It didn’t matter how good Kyle behaved because Sam’s only interest is in getting more people to do things he wants, and not the more valuable and useful ability to make moral judgments on when violence is and is not an acceptable form of self defense.
"Crossed state lines" on Rittenhouse is a straight up tell for someone who doesn't want to frame the issue honestly.
@@goblin6587 it is literally true, yes.
@@goblin6587 yes it is but when people were saying that they were doing it to imply it's another of many laws he supposedly broke.
When people typically hear the phrase "crossed state lines" it's in reference to drug runners and gun runners.
So because Rittenhouse legally owned a gun media and online commenters just threw the phrase around knowing what it implies to the uneducated.
Kinda like how most people I ran into online and off assumed Rittenhouse killed two black people because the media referred to the deceased as "BLM protestors" which is true but they knew people who aren't paying close attention will assume he killed two innocent black protesters which I believe significantly contributed to how bad it got.
The Blake case itself has turned out to be not what everyone thought it was. At the time it wasn't mainstream news that at the time of that stop he had two of his kids in the backseat who were reported kidnapped and Blake has just assaulted the mother of his kids.
And they didn't often show the beginning of the video where Blake wrestled the cops off of him evading arrest and only showed when he got back to his car to reach under the seat. Which was for a knife supposedly.
Hell, three weeks AFTER the trial ended Cenk fron the Young Turks was still describing how Rittenhouse chased his first victim down to execute him.
@@goblin6587
It literally has nothing more to do with the case then him crossing the sidewalk.
But go on parrot away🦜
@@user-fl9ps8xf2y There's not a legal distinction there?
The most hilarious part is that Sam Seder KNEW about the guzzling buckets of coom, he even had it written down... and he STILL talked with destiny with a calm tone in the beginning.
thats why Sams great
@@killzone866 no he's not
@@teewhyeee why
@@gaelmoreno4818 because he is a liar. i don’t beleive for 1 minute that he never read anything about rittenhouse or never saw the videos.
I'm not going to lie it's change my view on Sam a bit. And the fact he kept repeating buckets of cum over and over was hilarious.
I feel like Sam was genuinely annoyed at what he thought was destiny's misrepresentation of his position but also finding it hilarious at the same time.
You know Destiny getting serious with a debate when he actually focuses on his guests and doesn't multitask.
Destiny is OPM of debating Confirmed!🤣😄
Yeah, he saw he was getting his ass kicked rhetorically by Sam.
I’m not a Majority Report simp but Sam Seder is a strong debater
He has a lot of respect for Sam
Yeah I can't stand 8 people talking at once
When you can keep changing your argument on the fly and refuse to account for it, you’re never wrong.
Dude waffles harder than Lav ever did.
And that My friend is Sam Seder
Hilarious
When did he change his argument?
@@trewthhip-hop1858 anytime he is faced with a logical point of view that proves his point wrong.
Wrongful death ? They literally chased him and attacked him 😂
Lefties think every loss of human life is a “tragic wrongful death :(“ unless you’re a rich person in a submarine
But you are missing the point, you are not allowed to stop rioters doing anything including killing you
Or you are a racist
Checkmate
And he killed them.
Sam is a bad faith debater, so no wonder why he always is a loser
@@Prometheus4096 Yes…and?
Finally, someone named Steven that has the balls to debate Sam Seder.
He still isn’t worth talking to, if this Steven debating him proved anything.
BURN
Crowder’s fearful face that day still hilarious to this day!
If anything this proves that crowder was right. He does argue in bad faith and is completely insane
@@fernknowsbeststudios7964 Yeah he was quaking in his boots at the mighty specter of Sam Seder 🙄
Gained my respect for defending Rittenhouse. My mind is blown at the amount of people still calling him a cold blooded murderer with all the video evidence available. I literally can’t process how someone could think it wasn’t self defense other than hating him for his political affiliation, which is just sad.
I watching a clip of Christian Walker where Emma Vigeland and another one of them casually brought up Rittenhouse being a murderer. It speaks volumes to the kind of people they are. I feel like Destiny is one the few real ones left out there for online politics.
@B H agreed, I think he was definitely in the right to shoot, but it is kind of scummy how he has grifted off of the event afterwards. That being said with how politicized the case was, I don’t know if there is another way forward for him.
@B H 100%
He also put himself in that situation. Sure, I guess it was self-defense after he drove from hours away and started patrolling the streets with a large firearm
@@OGgluttonoustoad I think he was more like 15-20 minutes away, from what I’ve seen Kenosha was his community. His dad lives there I think
He keeps saying Rittenhouse is untrained. One thing is certain; his aim and trigger discipline while running backwards/ laying on his back/ hitting moving targets, was totally exceptional. He is definitely well trained with that firearm
The ncp’s seem to love trained professionals who do horrible and are 180 degrees wrong(like Fauci on several occasions) and hate anyone who actually gets it right and does the right thing that is proven right in time.
Not to mention ability to clear a malfunction, chamber a round and put a shot on target while on his ass being attacked. Most grown men in law enforcement wouldn't of been able to manipulate the firearm the way Kyle did and to still put the next shot on target.
Bro, how fast reaction to that forward assist under extreme chaos was something that most special forces could not not execute . It was an absolute clinic in as a weapons operator.
@@MidgetPunterjust to not get flustered and fire was impressive enough for me. I don’t think people understand he would have been justified letting off more shots because a crowd was chasing him at one point and not just a couple guys
Dude he shot the guys arm the SECOND he pulled out his pistol to try and kill him Kyle 100% was very well trained
"You went to the woods, took bear mace with you, and ended up macing a bear. You went to the woods to mace bears. You are a psychopath"
Who maced bears?
Whose a psychopath?
@@roscodogg Kyle Rittenhouse. I don't know
you could get confused about this.
@@hcnuup Kyle went to a community literally being destroyed... by humans
He didn't go there to destroy humans! He went there to stop them from destroying some of what was left and protect innocent people (mostly himself) in the process.
If anyone is a psychopath in the scenario, it's the people acting like bears.
And the people on tv and in gov't lying about statistics and the specifics of cases to GET them to act like bears.
You know- the stochastic terr.or.ism that was briefly mentioned- yet for unknown reasons oddly attributed (incorrectly) to Tucker Carlson 🤔
@@roscodoggyou
@@roscodoggIt’s an analogy bruther.
he didn’t watch the trial but he surely has strong opinions about it. makes sense
plausible deniability. You have your cake and eat it too
In context of this discussion Sam was referring to trials like the Rittenhouse Trial and the OJ Trial, and I've heard him talk about it on his show before as well. There's truth to the fact that those cases are more so spectacles and their outcomes usually don't have a broader impact on legislation and it's judicial interpretation later on. In fact, the Supreme Court has a policy NOT to record their cases on video, although C-SPAN's started to stream the audio of the oral arguments as of late. Sam does keep his finger on the pulse of the SCOTUS though, wherein the importance of the case typically can't be assessed until the ruling is revealed to the public. Once the cases are accepted for the next SC term, Sam will occasionally speak on the background of the case. After the ruling, Sam will usually have legal experts come on, sometimes going so far as to speak with the Amicus Curiae or pertinent actors in these cases (like Russ Feingold for Citizen's United)
@@travis6339 That's hardly the point. Sam mischaracterizes the entire Rittenhouse event through lies of omission any time he talks about it when being familiar with the details of the case would disabuse him and his audience of those notions. He wouldn't even have to watch the trial when the video was available online hours after it happened and showed without any ambiguity that Rittenhouse was in the right. Sam is a hack.
@@thomasmacisaac1503
That’s the thing… this was one of the clearest cases of self defense in history.
Most of the facts were already known within days of the event… and people like Sam kept lying about the facts for a year… some even kept lying after the verdict.
So I really hope that Kyle can sue a few of those dangerous ideologues.😉
@@ramigilneas9274 🤞
If it takes a rittenhouse level defense for self defense justification in anyone's mind, you have no idea what's realistic.
a distorted version of reality, couldn't ask for a more clear cut case
You mean how he went there to be a vigilant? That draws no red flags in your mind?
@@aaronpaul6601 red flags do not a murderer make.
Suggest you all look into the vegas riots. There were a bunch of asian dudes sitting on rooftops with guns threatening and in some cases shooting people who would come to their business. Everyone understood that is okay and unlike what happened in this case they are just protecting property. While rittenhouse was protecting life... If this isn't a no brainer thing to you then thank god none of you create laws or enforce them.
@@euphegenia yet the prosecutor still felt the need to lie and cross legal lines at every opportunity... But sure, they had a solid case 🙄
This entire debate felt like destiny going
"So its okay for you to frame things one way. but no one else can the other way?"
And getting the response
"Yes" in the longest possible roundabout way.
What being on the right side of history does to a mf
So name one city that was "burned to the the ground "?
Yet that was destiny"s ,mantra, and you clAim it's sam who was "factually incorrect"......?😊
A literal CHILD. Crossed STATE LINES. With an AR FIFTEEN ASSUALT RIFLE. Loaded with THIRTY BULLETS. To go to a PEACEFUL PROTEST to protect USED CARS. And THREE PEOPLE got SHOT IN THE FACE and KILLED because of it! 😂😂
@@johns1625they got shot because they attacked him. You don't open carry to shoot people. You open carry to tell people to stay away and don't F around.
@@johns1625used cars someone bought for hundreds of thousands of dollars. They have to buy the cars to then resell to make their money back. If I lost $100,000 and my business it would destroy my life, and that of my entire family. You guys act like if someone came and burned your house down, and insurance didn't cover it, like it's just a house man. It's just property. That's ridiculous. Not every business is Walmart or Amazon and can eat that sort of loss.
So Sam doesnt even watch the trial, yet feels Kyle was not justified in protecting his own life? This dude is a joke.
That's not what Seder said.
I can't believe Destiny killed Sam Seder, with his words. And now look at him, monetizing it.
Edit: After having now listened to the full discussion regarding Rittenhouse, Sam Seder is proof positive on why "Innocence until proven guilty" is vitality important to a functioning society. Buckets over here so desperately wants Rittenhouse to be guilty. When Destiny brought up how the Riots started because of fake news (every headline after Blake was shot was "Unarmed black man shot in the back 7 times by police") Buckets rambled on how his buddy 30 years ago got pulled over for driving an expensive car a lot and said that's what started the riots. Buckets has failed the NPC test and well id say he's guzzled large quantities of the proverbial koolaid, buuuuut...
Adam and Sitch will be putting out a clip compilation later this week on Sam Seder totally factual not at all emotional tirade from day 1 of the Rittenhouse stuff. I hope Destiny takes a peek at it later because he only got a small shot glass of Sam's prolific guzzling of thick, thick hot white man juice.
That is disgusting, I don't care what you say that's just what I believe
He's an asshole! That's all I'm saying!
It's fxcking gross.
Kyle spoke with the daily caller BEFORE the shooting.. destiny acting like he was some leftist who got pushed to the right is straight up a lie.. he was literally video taped with a right wing militia before the shooting..
Thanks Obama
the best kind of truth: technically the truth
*LAWYERS*
Apparently, at the time of this debate, neither one of you had the fundamental facts
Rittenhouse was staying at a friends house the night Blake was shot
He was already there. He didn’t go to Kenosha because he heard about the riots. He spent more than 50% of his time in Kenosha. He worked in Kenosha his dad lives in Kenosha. His dad owns a business in Kenosha.
Kenosha is definitely his community. He originally went there during the day, and there’s video evidence of him offering assistance to protesters. No weapon.
He was not roaming the streets that is a false narrative . He was in one location noticed people starting a fire, grab the fire extinguisher, went to put it out. When he did, he was threatened with violence and being chased down and told he was going to be killed if he was caught. That’s when Kyle Rittenhouse shot his first attacker. When Rittenhouse heard people saying get him, he decided to run towards the police. As running toward the police down the street, he was then starting to be attacked by several others. People who he hesitated to shoot at. The only three people he actually shot were the three people that were will being life-threatening violent towards him.
Imagine that? being chased down by more than a dozen people, and attacked by more than 6 and in fear of your life, you managed to only shoot the three people that were being life-threatening violent to you.
Sam admits that he doesn’t know all the facts because he didn’t watch the case. He literally has no clue what he’s talking about here, and he’s formed an opinion based on his own ignorance. That should tell you a lot about Sam. He is intellectually dishonest.
Sam is such a clown
“I didn’t watch the trial and I don’t watch any media about the topic”
“Here’s my very strong opinion even though I don’t know anything about the issue”
Lmao
He never mentioned anything about the self defense aspect or trial.
39:00 The mistake that cost two people their lives wasn’t done by Rittenhouse, it was done by the people attacking him.That’s why he was exonerated.
Who gets to decide self defense? Only the person that survives the shoot out, apparently. The second two could easily argue they were trying to defend themselves and the crowd from a mass shooter. Do you not see how insane this whole idea is, that everyone shows up armed to a confrontation and decides everyone else is a threat ?
@@solangegregory4810 did any, literally anyone else in the crowd show up to testify they felt scared by Rittenhouse?
No.
Because everyone who was there on scene knew what was going on, and with their own eyes saw the self defense, heard what was happening as well.
@@mezmerizer0266 Are you joking lol? So pray tell, why did two random people try to take down Kyle? Just for shits and giggles? Why would a guy armed with only a skateboard try to disarm an armed person, if not for fear he would shoot someone else? They didn't have anyone testify to something fucking OBVIOUS because they thought it was implied. Apparently they overestimated people's intelligence vastly.
@@solangegregory4810 Sit down femoid
@@solangegregory4810 there is literally video of both deaths. There is no need to speculate as to how the dead pedophile and domestic abuser would argue their defense. There is clear video.
Destiny’s rhetoric has really improved. He was really composed and structured his arguments in a really non-aggressive, conversational way. The rhetoric arc is working.
I mean there some buckets that might disagree with you.
I think it’s cuz he’s debating Sam Seder, a guy who he respects. Normally he’d half-ass the convo while playing video games
Yea guy above me nailed it. He surely made a lot fo progress, but he was being extra friendly and patient because of their shared history and who Sam used to be.
@@qactus4031 the problem is that it ends up being super boring. There is a difference between being a shouting unhinged and pushing back.
He was composed but wrong.
Thank you Destiny! I laughed my arse off every time Sam said "guzzling buckets of cum". Besides you having the superior argument here, Sam repeating that line over and over again was the best part of this debate. 😂 And for the record, I think you were correct in describing how Sam would react had the roles been reversed.
Lmao right?
I was like, "Damn Sam is really stuck on that isn't he? What's with his weird obsession with that?" 🤣🤣
Sam’s right, that’s why.
@@mt1990sweghe's not and his voice is annoying
@@mt1990swegSam is objectively wrong. We have video evidence of the entire altercation. Take the L
the saying - thou protest too much. lol
The situation was basically that a kid was being pursued by a mob because he put out a fire. They DIDN"T like the fact that he was putting out fires. That is what started this whole thing. All you need to know is that one side supports the kid putting out fires. The other side supports the mob that got angry that the kid was putting out fires.
Facts
They were chasing him because he had just shot somone with an assault rifle lmao
@@OIOOOIOOOOOOORosenbaum chased Kyle because he put out the fire that Rosenbaum and a group of rioters ignited. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
@@thejuniorseas7683 the original comment said "chased by a mob", clearly referring to the crowd that was chasing him after he shot Rosenbaum. I'm not even anti Rittenhouse, the original comment was just wrong.
@@OIOOOIOOOOOOOcringe
Past the fact that dude only reacted to agression... Kyle, the koreans in LA, the mexicans in chicago they are all the same. Got beef with the government go handle it but if you decide to pick on the communities 11/10 you deserve whatever they got reserved for you.
The Koreans in LA were protecting their property
@@OttisR0t and rightfully so, Kyle was putting out fires and attending to injured before he was set upon by scumbags.
@@mitchjames9350 I wasn't sure 2hqt direction OP was going. But the Rittenhouse case was one of the most insane things I've ever watched minus OJ and Casey Anthony. But honestly, Rittenhouse case was worse than Casey because of the lies, deceit and hypocrisy. Casey was the only one lying but in Rittenhouses case, the world was lying
@@OttisR0t the Koreans were protecting their community property, not necessarily their personal property. Similar to rittenhouse. When the riots broke out the local Korean radio station basically became the HQ. Many of those Korean Americans had fought in the Korean War. So the veterans with experience were sent out to the areas where riots were occurring to protect property. So not necessarily their personal property but rather the community they didn't want destroyed.
Rittenhouse could've been a neo nazi who went there with bad intentions. That doesn't really matter when all the guys he shot go about forcing him into situations where he can justifiably use lethal force in self defense because they're presenting a believable imminent threat of bodily harm or death to him. Being an asshole and all round bad guy doesn't mean you lose the ability to defend yourself and should just let others do you harm or try to kill you. I have no doubt his feelings were inflamed when he saw the destruction of property on TV like many others. Does that mean he can kill them for it? No, and he didn't. He killed and maimed only persons that tried to do him harm.
Its like Sam Hyde said: Looks like you boys just put yourself right in the middle of a self defense situation.
looks like you are intentionally missing the point about Rittenhouse being an asshole - it is not about his character but how an untrained overzealous kid wth a gun in a dynamic protest situation is more likely to get himself and other around him in right clusterfuck, than those more experienced.
just cuz you know how to shoot does not make you less of danger to yourself and others - in fact the more crazy you are the more unpredictable the situation. This ironically seems to guns rights americans/ and destiny's favourite blindspot. question is why.
@@adityaray86 The fact that you think it doesn't make you less of a danger to yourself and others to know how to safely and accurately handle and shoot a gun is insanely stupid of you.
Kyle Rittenhouse openly supported BLM, just not the objective and overt destruction of the town his dad lived in and he worked in. He went out to clean graffiti and basically volunteered as protection. As did many others. He was attacked for his troubles, putting a fire out, by a pedophile who had driven there to riot after being let out of a mental facility.
He was then assaulted multiple times in his attempts to flee the dangerous scene. Even the dude that survived, Guage somethin, admitted in court Kyle shot him only AFTER he aimed his gun.
The amount of people I see who still think Kyle killed two black dudes just really is demoralizing. Those people vote and they're equal to your vote.
He conceded that Rittenhouse traveling isn't really an issue...then later yells "He drove 20 minutes across state lines!"
Seder is an absolute god at weaseling out of situations where he is obviously wrong. He's such a rat in these debates
"I had very little coverage of the case," "I don't watch the legal case" Well he certainly had some fucking spicy takes on that video of his for not having watched the case and knowing little about it.
You don't have to watch the the trial to obtain the relevant facts on the public record
None of his takes are about the legality.
Sam was pretty clear that he wasn’t following the details of the case while it was ongoing.
@@validatedclassified2564 It's not about watching the whole trial, it's about being informed on the facts of the case. Watching the trial would just be a means to learning the facts, but you don't have to watch the whole thing to know the facts.
@@validatedclassified2564 imagine agreeing with Pakman
Couldn't be me
If that Blake guy killed those kids and another family in a crash and was taken into custody without incident, theyd be more outraged at him not getting BK than the deaths. Pretending to care about black ppl theyd be terrified of in any other context is like fantasy football to this sect.
"I don't watch trials, I just give I give misinformed opinions on them"
No
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq What?
@@thomasramsey1870 Seder said he read the most comprehensive reporting on Rittenhouse. Which was the GQ article. He just doesn't watch or cover trials. Practice your listening comprehension. BTW Destiny said that Sam was factually correct.
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq What makes you think anyone asked?
"I'm not saying they should leave, I'm saying that no one should go and help them and just let their town burn!"
Seder here serves as a good example of exactly what Destiny is criticizing:
Eternally getting key details wrong when they’re inconvenient to preferred framing, not watching trials while pushing emphatic assertions related to the case, and being cemented in emotional opinions born from falsehood despite evidence to the contrary. Embarrassing 😬
Except he wasn't wrong
@@mariomario1462 he had no details wrong regarding the Rittenhouse case that were at least not corrected? Is that what you are claiming?
@@mariomario1462 He wasn't right, either.
@@tb8654 correct. In this video he did not
@@Jtgagemac he was. Dude shouldn't have been there with a gun being a wannabe militia
he will never live down the jizzler stuff
He made that so much worse for himself. Clipped lmao.
You think he’d run from that? I think he said it multiple times about himself for a laugh. He quoted it a few times on his own show while chuckling
@@Mremsee90 well he said it completely red in the face. And people on twitter will constantly be in his comments saying "JIZZLER JIZZLER JIZZLER" for years
Wow a "you like jizz" joke? You really GOT HIM bro! How will Sam ever recover?
Wow I'm glad Sam dropped out of law school. Actually embarrassing the distances he'll go to smear someone who defended themselves
You sure he dropped out? Or flunked out?
Was he right about one think in this entire video ?
Sam isn't making any legal arguments, lol. At least Sam flunked out of prestigious law school, after already getting his BSc. And not flunking out of community college music degree to play video games.
@@Prometheus4096 So flunking out to smoke loser weed is better? Ok whatever liberals -_-
@@Prometheus4096 At least he is guzzling the c*m of black men :D
Holy hell sam is so dishonest...
But muh skittles
Let’s ignore he shot someone who was chasing him for putting out a literal dumpster fire he was pushing into a gas station.. After shots went off behind him and rossenbaum grabbed for his gun… After rossenbaum threatened to kill him and others that night..
……as was his his claim in court.
But, let’s not ignore that none of the sh*t would’ve happened if he’d stayed his underaged a** at home.
It takes an academic mind to see being chased down by a mob as a peaceful demonstration.
Interesting, so you are saying Kyle started this confrontation by putting out fires and confronting people over property damage during a riot? Hmm I wonder why he would do that....almost as if he purposely put himself in a scenario where he could shoot people who were rioting or something.
@@danielshepard1449 Nah fam, it's cause he's a white supremacist looking for white people to shoot, duh.
@@danielshepard1449
Over property he and his friends were asked to protect, there are multiple pictures of Kyle and others with the owners of the property, the owners even admitted to driving the guy who helped organize the people who arrived that night, stop being dishonest.
Only criticism is you really should've forced Sam to admit the Kenosha rioting was also bullshit. WTF are the police supposed to do, let him take off with two little kids in the back seat, potentially killing them all while fleeing from the cops?
hi again
how does that change anything lmao
Wasn't the guy shot by the police the father of those kids?
@@maxmensch8910 They were, but he was violating a restraining order just by being there. Suffice to say it had been determined he had no right to take off with three of their children.
@@Vic2point0 Shooting someone over violating a restraining order seems a little bit out of proportion, to put it mildly.
Ask the guy who lost his bicep how many more protests he will attend.
Going off your comment, you seem to be against free speech. Wow.
@@themallenman do you even know who I am referring to here?
He wasn't on trial for vigilantism or was he suppose to be there or not. He was on trial for murder and the jury said no murder was committed cause it was self defense. It's literally that's simple
He should have been on trial for vigilantism . It’s why he went there I’m sure of it .
I literally just opened CZcams
Bro the exact same feeling you are having right now I have to every time I open Twitter
GUZZLERS UNITE 🥛
Google translates this to:
UNITED GUZZLERS 🥛
@@omis6610 GOOGLE TRANSLATE GIGACHAD
guzzle gang
Yes king
*Drinks buckets and smiles*
What it comes down to is Sam hates business, property, care for your community. If he would have got shot instead of shooting he would agree he should be shot
He made a direct distinction between traveling to and defending your immediate location.
As I rabbit hole my way more and more of destiny's content and truly like him more each day while on the opposite side of political views. I can't help but enjoy his intelligence and thoughtful perspectives.
This debate literally got handed on a platter when destiny brought up the L.A riots and how the asians protected their property that is the ultimate take away from the red herring argument and ignorance of well "Kyle" could have just stayed home while K burned down. 24:12
I always say when it comes to objective matters like Rittenhouse he is great. He does his research and sticks to the facts. When it comes to anything subjective, usually political, he's a fool. He's the equivalent of a random Twitter person. It's odd that he's the same person sometimes.
Rittenhouse didn't "roam the streets". He was on the lot of a car dealership and only left it to put out a fire. That's when he was attacked and pursued through the streets. This debate feels like I fell into a wormhole into 2021. All of this stuff was talked about at length in the trial.
The only mistake Grosskreutz made was not shooting first. If he had this would be a non-issue. But he was a mature man with a gun and little Kyle was a teenager who's parents dropped him off in a dangerous situation he lacked the ability to deal with. Child abuse by any other name.
Yes let me go out with a AR, in a riot….
@@explosivez1 based
@@explosivez1right? how is it so difficult for the small penis crowd to understand that guns are for self defense. you aren’t defensive when leading with the chin
@@explosivez1 Yeah man you should just let people riot and kill indiscriminately
Hes taking the Vaush approach "he just should have submitted to mob rule"
They’re unironically pro lynching
Yeah the pro lynching view lmao
I love how Sam didn't even say anything close to this in the video but you are programmed to use the buzzword phrases
Sam said he defended himself if you were listening. He's using the 'shouldn't have been there' argument.
That’s not a fair interpretation of what Sam said. Even if you disagree with Sam on Rittenhouse he never said and implied “Rittenhouse should submit to mob rule”
24:15 you know how black people can protect themselves from cops? Don't go outside. Come on bruh, it sounds stupid doesn't it?
People to this day still think that Rittenhouse killed a black man.
Thats not even relevant to anything that happened with his case
Destiny is missing the part about how Kyle Rittenhouse was in Kenosha the day before and how he was a volunteer EMT and he was carrying a medkit and the gun was secondary to defend himself. There's pictures of him doing volunteer work in kenosha
He actually took 2 medkits with him, a big one and one he could carry on his person. But people get triggered because he called himself an EMT and ignore the medkits. Technically no he was not a fully qualified EMT but he was more than qualified to do more than basic first aid with all his training.
l think he just used EMT as it was easier to yell out. And most of the time he just yelled medical anyway.
I dont see how saying you are an EMT negates your right to defend yourself.
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the guy he shot in the hand and permanently paralyzed was also an EMT helping protesters in kenosha.
@@aydan910 both of the guys he shot attacked him so it doesn't matter what he was, rittenhouse protected himself
There are videos of him putting out fires and attending to the injured before he was set upon by leftist goons.
@@aydan910 your lying, kyle killed two and the third wasn’t paralysed. He was a criminal who crossed state lines carrying an illegally obtained gun and had pulled it on Kyle which is why he got shot. Where do you get that he was an EMT helping people?
@31:45 That guzzler’s comment was hilarious 😂
Yeah especially when Sam kept repeating it and destiny would just start laughing lol
To me, it showed me that maybe it is time our boy left the political sphere.
That petty little comment was so not needed. From a guy, I respect for seeking to be more rhetorically effective to do something like that and just snicker every time afterwards told me Stephen is a child at heart. Kinda broke my heart actually. Sad to see those you respect act in such a way.
It's funny because it's true
@@shipwreckeddemon1943 it was obviously a joke and meant to be taken as such unlike many of Sams points which were conpletely disingenuous and meant to pander to left leaning listeners. Also if Destiny left then we would just be left with people like Sam who thunks that burning down a building is the same as stealing a pack of skittles.
@@shipwreckeddemon1943 Yeah just when you think he’s so close he falls back into this behaviour 😢
2 things -
Super glad you didn't let him get away with saying that he hasn't been following the case that closely by saying "It's one thing to not be following something but then why have such a strong opinion about it?"
Also, really glad you brought up that Kyle could have just had the gun to protect himself from violent protesters. I'm surprised they didn't go with that defense in court and it hardly got brought up but that's obviously why he would have had the gun, not to protect property.
They literally did bring that up in the court case. It was in Rittenhouse’s testimony.
He openly admitted to committing to a debate and giving his strong views without doing any research
If the courts had found Rittenhouse guilty Sam wouldn’t make ANY concessions, and he’d just say, all the same, that he didn’t follow it closely. As he didn’t beforehand. Not an honest broker.
Destiny gives a masterclass in exposing hypocrisy.
Completely irrelevant to Rittenhouse, but if people are rioting, why the hell shouldn't you be able to protect your property with lethal force? Why do rioters have a right to destroy? But suddenly people who defend their property (and more likely their lives) shouldn't do that?
being unable to protect your property with lethal force would not, in any way, give rioters a right to destroy, that's fucking retarded
also i think he said he was fine with people protecting their own business ( i think he mmentioned bodegas ) also with guns
Because it's
1. Illegal and 2. Immoral. Property isn't a person, so why should you be able to take someone's life over it? Why do you property owners have a right to kill for their property? They don't, not in America or any other place I know of. That's why Destiny avoids directly saying he wants to kill people for property damage, but we all know that's what this is really about, so I appreciated your honesty. This debate would be much easier if conservatives just admitted they wanted to shoot people for breaking stuff.
Because my team good, capitalism bad
@@danielshepard1449 why would you risk your life to attack people's property? People's property is what makes their living. It's what they invest their money and time into. Why wouldn't they want to defend it? And why wouldn't you want to encourage this kinda wretched behavior by standing down? I don't want people to die, but they should be able to defend property destruction with lethal force
@@danielshepard1449 It’s immoral to protect someone’s livelihood? That’s probably the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Kyle shot people because they attacked him, not because they were destroying property.
That George Floyd framing Destiny used to prove his point was *chef’s kiss* BEAUTIFUL!
Yeah that was a massive L on Seder's part. "Just frame things however you want" is such a self sabotaging thing to say for a political commentator.
Can you give me the time stamp?
@@cabbytabby 40:07
@@zarka223 thank you
Merely pointing out that something is framed a certain way isn’t a gotcha. Framing things in a particular way is what political commentators do. The issue is the underlying intent. The Floyd example serves an indefensible underlying intent.
So Kyle is an asshole for going there in order to protect property, but the people that went and damaged property are cool?
The point regarding Kyle using this for fame, is moot. You nailed it. He didn't seek fame, he was made famous by people like Sam. They wanted to make him a public enemy, they wanted to make him infamous. You can't spell infamous without famous children.
Exactly. It was media(ESPECIALLY left wing media) that made Rittenhouse famous.
He was immediately declared the villain.
He was already famous before the full facts of the case even came out. Sam has no basis to criticize him for embracing the right.
He's George Zimmerman, another right-wing loser who was looking for trouble and desperate for his Dirty Harry moment so he could feel like a real man instead of a prepubescent baby-faced virgin. It shows how immature and narcissistic Destiny's fans are that they think this is a serious debate and their side is bringing nothing but facts and logic when it's just a trivial disagreement about subjective gut feelings about Rittenhouse's character.
No that's unfair. Just because the left was shitting on Kyle doesn't require him to monetize using the other extreme. He doesn't have to stay a public figure if he doesn't want, but he's reveling in attention from the worst media figures in the country and he deserves criticism for that.
@@macaron3141592653 I don't disagree that he deserves criticism for milking this, but if the left didn't want him to be famous, they shouldnt have tried to make him infamous. Especially lying about the facts and misconstruing the case. They shouldn't be surprised he has such fame.
@@macaron3141592653 No it doesn't "require" him to embrace the right.
But it does put him on that path.
I mean, 1 whole party says he is evil Nazi scum and tells their voters this for over a year, while the other side says he is not...most teenagers in his position would do exactly the same.
Take a shot every time Sam gets heated about Rittenhouse and then throws his hands up and says that he doesn't care as soon as Destiny pins him on something
Sam "he's an asshole" Seder
You're asking me to get wasted there buddy🤣
I took 0 shots
@@danielshepard1449 GUZZLING
I wish I could feel a buzz we need a lower bar here
Sam Seder : "he was an ass hole"
Destiny : "he has the right to be so"
No one said he doesn't have the right to be an ass hole.
Buddy, in Destiny’s mind morals ARE the rights.
And vice versa.
Ok. Then all of the rioters are also assholes.
Especially the ones who brought firearms.
@@HistoricaHungarica so according to you or you assessment of Destiny's position "because people have the right to be ass holes, it is moral to be an ass hole"
dont act like thats the only thing Sam said.....
Sam wanted him convicted lmao, you're right that he does have the right to be an asshole but everyone who was rooting against him in the court case is rooting for that right to be taken away
Rittenhouse was literally getting his head bashed in by a skateboard, which could be as fatal as a bullet
Sam Seder is such a tool… did he really say growing up in the CITY of Worchester MA qualified him to talk about rural areas
Disingenuous comment
destiny straight up wrong on citizens united. "this will be argued every time!" no it won't and it literally was not. it was "just fine" until citizen's united. pretty bad faith, tbh.
How is that bad faith? Not trying to be aggressive here just wondering
@@megaton2169 sam described how it was. destiny is acting like if they didn't make the broad ruling on citizen's united, literally every media company will have to justify themselves in court. obviously that wasn't the case since if it was, we would have had this decision immediately after campaign finance reform and not wait until citizens united to appeal up to SCOTUS. it's a slippery slope strawman that is debunked prehoc. I haven't seen something so puerile from destiny in a long while.
@@snowballeffect7812 alright i can see that thx
@@megaton2169 no problem. happy to clarify.
It's INCREDIBLY bad faith to start up a conversation about Citizen's United for dunking points in a debate about Kyle Rittenhouse.
Of course Destiny isn't going to get it right. He wrote all of his notes for Kyle Rittenhouse. Not giving your opponent prep time is a super dick move.
Did Destiny forget the term "lying by omission"? When Seder cherry-picks his "facts" about Rittenhouse while ignoring others and even then still get one or two wrong. Easy example of this happened as soon as the trial began and a lot of people came out on social media stating they didn't even know the people who got shot were white, which considering the context the shooting should be an important information specially since it was in the summer of love of 2020.
Does Destiny not do the same thing? Forget the legal, moral, etc. points about this situation that Destiny (inexplicably in my opinion) keeps hitting his viewers and everyone he talks to about this situation over the head with...what about the common sense aspects of Kyles decisions? Is it so hard to simply say "ya, this kid was kind of a moron....and most reasonable people who not have made the decisions he did."?
@@HolyCanoley if Kyle was a moron for being there with a rifle what does that say of the people that caused him to actually decide to be there?
You know... The rioters setting everything on fire?
If you think Kyle is a moron then you also have to agree he was at least smarter than everyone that showed up to riot over a good police shooting.
@@HolyCanoley have you watched any of Destiny's videos on this topic? He has stated exactly that a multitude of times
@@HolyCanoley have you watched any of Destiny's videos on this topic or are you just biased as hell and are trying to speak on this without even knowing anything beyond a surface level? He has stated exactly that a multitude of times
@@HolyCanoley He's said that several times, but its literally never good enough for you people.
Sam is objectively the loser of this debate, he backed off his original position and had no substantive conversation against Destiny's points of self defense. He looks like a weasel in this conversation who doesnt care about how his coverage will be received.
If the races were reversed, I believe Sam would have had a different interview. And now, we know exactly how Floyd died.
props to Seder for actually talking to you
Seder talks to just about anyone lol. He lets randoms phone into his show to debate all the time.
Yeah man, thanks for making that comment , I’m a fan of Seders and learned about destiny a few years back through his show… reading through the comments in this stuff is driving me nuts.. people calling Seder the “slipperiest liar they’ve ever seen” the dude comes on Destinys stream to have a discussion about a disagreement the way he does every single day on his show with live calls .. I think these idiots have no idea that none of the political commentators they listen to would ever do that..
Yeah man props to seder for being open to aggressively lying to all kinds people and acting like hes angry/offended when they say he's a liar
He is only talking to Destiny coz they share an audience, of course he feels he needs to defend him fallacious arguments.
@@PrimoPete theyre not fallacious if theyre true. He only cares cuz hes like hasan or vaush. They only care cuz they want money
The final cope of someone who's Dead. Fucking. Wrong. is to say, "Well, he may not have done anything illegal, or even necessarily immoral... but... he's just such a jerk!"
It's like Matt Braunger being exposed live on Joe Rogan for admitting not knowing anything about the Covington kids situation. In the end, knowing he has made a fool of himself, Matt keeps harping on the MAGA hat.
Good thing no one in this conversation said that
@@danielshepard1449 You must not have watched it then
Sam Seder: let it burn, because im a coward, and you should be a coward too.
“What side is he on?”
There it is, he was salty because Sam see’s the kid as the enemy, the other team. That’s why he treats him as such.
Sam's got a real talent in speaking for an inordinate amount of time, and saying something that would take the average person 30 seconds. It's just tiring to listen too.
@Silent Man - I'm not sure what you mean by "that", but I should clarify what I meant. He seems to have a habit of answering a question or making a point, then proceeding to engage in pointless repetition, and / or a monologue that serves nothing.
@Silent Man - Sure, 16:30 - 18:22 is a good example, it's meandering and drawn out. He doesn't really make any declarative statement, rendering it useless, eg "maybe he felt such a close connection to that community that erm, he, you know, that's what spurred him on to grab a gun and go down there and patrol, or or or not. I mean, I don't know, you don't know, we can't know that" - then why bother to bring it up then? it's totally irrelevant.
I realise that this could be considered a "taste" issue, but I find the delivery difficult to listen to, and the content lacking.
@Silent Man - Didn't say that, I was saying that Sam's statement is irrelevant.
Like I said, I find his delivery difficult to listen to. You may agree or not, but that has no bearing on my opinions on the matter.
Imagine how he feels. He
explains things fully, clearly, with evidential support, and nuance.
In response, he gets lame gotchas and outta context takes
It is tiring af yes
Edit: Ment in regards to Destiny
Vaush does the same thing.
It's weird to see progressives embracing the "she was asking for it" argument.
Sam Seder sounds like a mentally wandering mess…
42:15 - Destiny lets Sam off the hook here in my opinion. Keep hammering that the issue is *dishonest framing* and demonstrate the equivalent of what Sam is saying (from hypoyhetical Tucker's mouth): "and I am fine framing Floyd's death that way because I want to discourage anybody from taking Fentanyl and going around passing fake bills."
Both are dishonest framing because trials in both cases showed that the critical factors were a knee on the neck for 9 minutes in one case, and being chased by some crazies (including a man using a skateboard as a weapon) in the other. Floyd need not have died, and Rittenhouse need not have killed anyone. In each instance, it was other assholes who caused the real problems.
Credit to Destiny for the comparison of Floyd vs Rittenhouse framing with "just facts," I just wish he'd hold Sam to it and see if Sam is capable of conceding a point on which he is so clearly wrong.
Sam moved his goalposts so many times, it is in the parking lot now.
Your brain is so smooth it's a fucking egg.
Holy sh*t! I can't believe Seder agreed to this.
Why?
He agrees when it’s convenient for him, he doesn’t want to be on Tim’s podcast.
@@S3aCa1mRa1n Wasn't tim the one that backed out or am I thinking of crowder?
@@Axolotlian Crowder, for sure. Tim, maybe IDK
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor
Crowder never agreed to debate him...? You seem to be remembering a bad faith manuever by h3h3 and seder
Sam Seder is so unlikable, I don't get why anyone would watch this dude or even talk to him
It wouldn't matter. He's paid handsomely to never stop saying what he's told.
can someone quicly explain what the central controversy is? I have no Idea whats happening.
Because Kyle was acquitted he doesn’t have to disappear and hide from society. He has every right to go public.
Sedar was arguing he was an asshole for doing it, not that he had the right to do it. He agrees he has a right to do it.
It’s not like he can work a normal 9-5 seeing as how 1/4 of the country thinks he did some search and destroy ops on three black people
No one said he didn't. They just said he was an asshole. I don't have to like anyone I don't want to. I think Kyle is a dishonest asshole. That's my right.
@@wadewilson777 So whats the point then? Is the debate on if Kyle is an asshole or not? Totally meaningless.
@@paxelysia8202 action of consequences and there are plenty of republicans who own business who would of hired him even some democrats would to
Henceforth i will only refer to Sam Seder as Ryan Guzzling.
Two men debating and talking about subjects openly is how things can get accomplished and society has worked for a very long time. And without it, we wouldn't be in great condition.
The reason those people died was because they attacked Kyle Rittenhouse. Kyle Rittenhouse didn't have any intent to shoot hurt anyone. He was attacked, he defended himself. He was pursued, he was shot at, he was assaulted. Those were the actions which led to their deaths. Sam is saying that him going there alone was the reason that led to them being killed. That is a stretch and false.
🥛GUZZLERS UNITED 🥛
Why is it literally perfectly reasonable for everyone else to make money off of the Kyle Rittenhouse story, but as soon as he does he's a total scumbag, when he probably doesn't have many other opportunities to make a living now.
I know when seder said that he was being incredibly hypocritical
Also, it is his right to speak out and defend himself from media misinformation and should be encouraged by any sane person. Nobody want to be the next kyle rittenhouse, being ruined and villainise by the media.
Do have an issue with people making money off the OJ case? Documentaries, podcasts, news articles etc.? I mostly think it‘s fine. But when I heard that OJ himself tried to get rich off the case by writing this “(if) I did it“ book, yeah I got pissed at that (he failed though, money went elsewhere). So to me it feels very natural to draw the line at “the killer“. Of course he was also a victim that night, but considering his own fault he should not be doing anything but keeping his head down and ask to be forgotten.
He‘s a dumb kid who got himself into deep shit and had to kill people to get back out. The right celebrating him as some kind of hero for that is disgusting and if he willingly participates in it for financial benefit then so is he. We don‘t know if he does or doesn‘t have many other opportunities, but evidently half the country has decided to idolize him for being dumb, impressionable and armed, so there‘s gotta be a lot of conservative store owners who‘d still be willing to hire him right now.
Kyle's little victory parade he's been on is cringe but he deserves the money he's has/going to receive.
All the media appearances iv seen are just Kyle defending his character after being slandered in the media by dishonest people (like Sam).
I dont think hes benifiting much financially for going on Tucker, or Charlie Kirks show.
Sam is delusional.
Average Soy Seder L
Common Destiny W
"Wrongful death" is still downplaying the fact that it was in self-defence and has been decided at court that it was self-defence.
And lynching black people in the 19th century was a-okay i guess.
After all, the judges believed so.
@@HistoricaHungarica Absolutely irrelevant and a non-comparable.
He wouldn’t have been there, it was totally irresponsible of him.
@@bbegins10 Nobody was supposed to be there after curfew
it wasn't even ruled wrongful death. So he's actually telling a lie.
Sam actually makes a fair point 32:46
Thank ypu
lmaooo
bruh i was choking on my pasta
lmao
he made a really fair point when he points out Destinys absolute lack of knowledge on C.U. the fact that he thought it was appropriate to say anyone else knows nothing about the case is laughable. This proved something Ive always thought about Destiny. He likes to just say people dont know about things to essentially put himself over them on said topic. All out of laziness and not wanting to actually learn a topic himself he will put someone else down to make it seem he knows all about it. Kind of scummy.
Only real lesson you can learn from the rittenhouse case is - dont run at a guy pointing a rifle at your face - especially when your 20 feet away
Hey Sam Seden, Rittenhouse was attacked for putting out a FIRE!!!! Good thing he had a gun!
The second he said he didn't watch the trial I knew I wouldn't be able take anything he said seriously. What a joke.
But the trial was irrelevant..
The point they were arguing was not a legal or constitutional one. It was about Kyle turning up with a gun at a highly and emotionally charged riot. Tempers were very high but he drove for 20 minutes into another town with a gun.. That was stupid.
That's like a Leftist turning up with a gun at the Right Wing Capitol Hill riot (amateuristic insurrection of January 6th). That would be a recipe for disaster.. It's better to stay away from such stuff and let the police or trained security personnel deal with such.. Trying to play superhero RAMBO or CHUCK NORRIS here to save the world is stupid..
Isn't it?
So you like to jump to conclusions. You do you Mr. Hop.
@@misssummersalt If you admit to not watching the trial which gave multiple angles and stills from the incident; AND, with the bicep guy admitting he pointed his gun at Kyle's head prior to Kyle shooting him, then it really does show that your opinions on this don't need to be taken seriously
@@misssummersalt watching the trial means you actually know the facts as opposed to just what was on the media and your own feelings
You honestly don't even have to watch the trial, just watch the literal footage of the incident.
Destiny dominated this debate. Kyle only killed in self-defense.
You heard what you wanted. Sam doesn't think Kyle is a murderer. He thinks he's an asshole. Destiny thinks he's foolish. What a stupid debate tbh. Destiny pretending like he didn't say Sam would celebrate someone's getting shot.
@@mr.negativenancy5751 - Sam repeatedly phrases his arguments against Kyle as if Kyle didn't kill in self-defense.
@@TwentyPercentDash For real? If you think Destiny cares about framing then you need to take a break. He totally misrepresented Sam, and it had a real impact on y'all
@@mr.negativenancy5751 - We're not discussing whether Destiny "cares" about something. I'm saying Sam is framing the Kyle situation in a really dishonest way.
@@TwentyPercentDash No he's not dude. He just has a different perspective. Sam doesn't care about Rittenhouse. He probably talked more about Rittenhouse in this one debate than since the initial shooting happened. Sam doesn't cover small cases like this. I know it matters a lot to you, but no one needs to know the minutia. It's a waste time. Kyle killed two people and maimed another. It was legal. As someone who doesn't like AR-15's on the street, this is bad. I don't need details about what he was doing beyond showing up to a riot with a gun. That was idiotic of him to do.
Sam cares about tort law and, as far as this case, gun control. It's not dishonest to not care.
It's simple here, he went in there to protect a friends building, had every right to do it, he was not an asshole, every video shown of him shows he was a nice guy, he brought the gun to protect himself, which he did and its been proven so, Sam is a lier
The inbreeding quotient in this comment section is very high.
I really hope others realize how lame Sam Seder is after this
Always did. He contributes to a kind of ethnic hatred others develop….
@@NoahBodze What ethnic hatred are you referring to exactly?
@@TheReddaredevil223 Seder's Jewish
If you look at his channel, the people who like Seder cannot be reached. They are just too far gone.
Lame? Lmao like the lame guy who kept beating the insane point that driving 20 minutes out of your way to another city is “protecting his community” and he can kill people in self defense even though his presence there is totally his choice? Now that’s lame af.
OH and fyi small towns in WI are all very tribal, all the schools compete, there’s no real physical connection if you don’t live IN THAT CITY except if you make it up in your own head. Which he did, and so did you for propping this up as an acceptable reason for someone to go out of their way to show up with a gun and zero training, kill two people, claim it was “self defense” and then try to monetize it.
He was found not guilty. Lucky him, now stop dancing in front of everyone in glee and show some goddamn remorse for killing people you psycho. Oh, no? You’re going to show up at CPAC? Oh you’re just an asshole.
Sam says his only issue is Rittenhouse monetization, then immediately brings up John Doyle giving showing his prejudice
I just think its funny he gets seder's undies in such a twist. He should stick to playing with crowder lol
I mean I think he revealed his prejudice when he said he thought the kid was an a****le. Don't think he was trying to hide.
My favorite part is when he says, "John Doyle [...] is [...] a white nationalist, we know this," and then later says, "I don't know much about John Doyle." (@ 0:33:24 & @ 0:45:13)
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 You don't have to know much about John Doyle to know that he is a white nationalist and a conservative Catholic.
@@MrGohanwill People who show up to civil unrest with a firearm are the biggest assholes. They're like walking, talking, aggression inciting assholes
Seder was born to a Jewish family in New York City, and raised in Worcester, Massachusetts, and is the oldest of three children.[2][3] His father, J. Robert Seder, is a well-known lawyer in Worcester. Seder earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Religious Studies from Connecticut College and enrolled at Boston University School of Law. He later dropped out to pursue a career in comedy.[
I'm honestly surprised that the powers that be haven't forced Wikipedia to torpedo the Early Life section. It exposes them every single time.
Once I read Destiny use to be a libertarian all his positions now make sence.
Him going from calm and using passive language saying he didn't follow the trial to then get that heated and raise his voice defending his characterization of an event he admits he didn't follow the trail for is surreal to watch play out. It so clearly displays the word games he's playing whether he realizes he's playing them or not.
Exactly
left wing Crowder is all I'm seeing
He's a weasel, it's the same thing when people call his show with a disagreement
@@meteorwalkergg strech only a right wing hog say .
“Word games”, hahaha
Bring back August; I have taken his timestamps for granted.
What happened to August?
@@bliss7470 the incident
@@dawnwatching6382 incident ? Plz do share with the class.
Sam Seder sounds kind of like Trump I just realized.