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  • DEBATE: Destiny and Sam Seder debate Kyle Rittenhouse, misinformation and citizens united...
    Date: 7 Jul, 2022
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  • @destiny
    @destiny  Před 2 lety +152

    HE KILLED 2 PEOPLE - Destiny Challenges Sam Seder To A Debate ►czcams.com/video/ZU-QqhRQolY/video.html
    RITTENHOUSE COVERAGE ►czcams.com/play/PLFs19LVskfNyAurk3ukoZCLicrPIyPw7j.html
    Destiny Debates Sam Seder From The Majority Report. ►czcams.com/video/y1pyaI9Uc-4/video.html

    • @bengreen171
      @bengreen171 Před 2 lety +10

      Isn't there a big difference between left wing/liberal media putting out news of a police shooting - an actual event that happened - and the way right wing media invents stories like voter fraud, trans agendas, post birth abortions etc?
      I think that difference is very important to remember, beyond the argument about what stories get coverage. I don't think you can have a world where every story receives a proportional share of coverage and still have news channels/programmes as we know it. You would have to reduce all news coverage to simple paragraphs in newspapers, with every story written once and once only (plus extra words for developments in the story), and I don't think that's tenable.

    • @bengreen171
      @bengreen171 Před 2 lety

      your assertion that 'the left' pushed Rittenhouse to the Right because they demonised him is weak. It assumes he wasn't already entranced by the sort of propaganda Fox News had been selling. But it's pretty clear he went to the protest with a picture in his mind about the BLM supporters - that they were dangerous, out of control, and morally wrong. You don't freak out and start shooting people unless you had already been primed to expect to come face to face with 'monsters'. And you're acting like he had no choice but to curry favour with Tucker Carlson and the rest of them. He did have a choice. And yes - he could have stepped away from the limelight appearing on Hannity doesn't actually change his day to day life. It doesn't make him invisible and it certainly doesn't give him any protection in the street.
      It's a false dichotomy to claim he had to go to the right because the left demonised him. He could have just kept his head down and avoided all media.
      People protect their property all the time without the need for weapons. Rittenhouse could have stood in front of the building he wanted to protect with a fire extinguisher. He could have brought his granny down there with all her friends and I guarantee you that any rioter who attempted anything would have been taken down by the rest of the protesters.
      He didn't kill people who were trying to kill him. He killed people who he thought were trying to kill him. That's a very big difference.

    • @ravenecho2410
      @ravenecho2410 Před 2 lety +20

      whats interesting is that destiny buys stochastic terrorism and their arguments - but doesn't buy that bringing a gun while counter protesting like wise can be a risk so large that the decision to bring it can be seen as a causal factor
      i think that's a bit of missed consistency, and just as people who speak of the great replacement commit moral wrongs - even though its probabilistically causal in causing violence is a direct parallel to kyle rittenhouse and bringing a gub.

    • @ickyfist
      @ickyfist Před 2 lety +9

      @@bengreen171 That's not a good argument. Imagine if a business basically hired no black people and were like, "Well there are only so many jobs to give out to people...if we had to hire more black people we'd have to reduce everyone's hours by a lot." The question still remains: why are you disproportionately hiring certain people. Applying that to this case, why are they disproportionately covering one type of issue over another? Usually the only difference is race and that's a problem. It's not about how newsworthy something is but how valuable it is to helping them push their agenda.

    • @bengreen171
      @bengreen171 Před 2 lety

      @@ravenecho2410
      and arguably, it's stochastic terrorism to whip up enough fear about the downfall of society, and rage about 'muh guns' and patriotism that has led to all the little Rittenhouses 'Ramboing' around with their AR-15's like there's a war on.
      And if that's the cause - the effect is Rittenhouse using his weapon.
      The idea that Kyle was some simple 'do-gooding' kid who just thought he was one of the Goonies is very hard to believe.

  • @MasterOfInfinity
    @MasterOfInfinity Před 2 lety +3542

    Seeing Sam Seder yell 'guzzling buckets of come' is the greatest thing that has happened in the Debatebro sphere this month. No wonder Steven decided to drop the manifesto and retire after that.

    • @acutecloudd7970
      @acutecloudd7970 Před 2 lety +133

      I hope he makes it a dono sound

    • @sjewitt22
      @sjewitt22 Před 2 lety +37

      what do you mean retire?

    • @eshaybah5581
      @eshaybah5581 Před 2 lety +134

      Its was soo funny when he kept mentioning those buckets, why is he so obsessed with these buckets i will never know.

    • @metalmythology6282
      @metalmythology6282 Před 2 lety +32

      Is he legit done with politics after the manifesto?

    • @qactus4031
      @qactus4031 Před 2 lety +27

      hold the fk up wdym retire

  • @rossmanngroup
    @rossmanngroup Před 2 lety +1862

    The citizens united back and forth I got his point on but the entirety of the Rittenhouse debate had me raging in my car

    • @jettcs3218
      @jettcs3218 Před 2 lety +199

      my man louis is a ddger the more you know

    • @politicalandy
      @politicalandy Před 2 lety +67

      yeah even if I still don't agree with his framing I understand how seder was taking issue with it; I just agree with Destiny that the supreme court is literally there with the understanding that sometimes we have to make these watershed rulings that will effect more than just the case being ruled on at the moment by virtue of valuing consistency in law

    • @Delta169
      @Delta169 Před 2 lety +13

      Love your content Louis! I'm sure you enjoy listening on these on those long drives.

    • @randomboii9166
      @randomboii9166 Před 2 lety +15

      @@jettcs3218 yea he has based comments on a lot of vids

    • @jaredisley-oliver389
      @jaredisley-oliver389 Před 2 lety +67

      I was just thinking how your appearance on Seder’s show changed my opinion of him. After you gave him an answer he didn’t want. But couldn’t not agree with. He seemed angry and frustrated that was the case. And I couldn’t trust him fully anymore. Cheers!!!

  • @MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis

    There’s nothing worse than having a strong opinion on something that you know nothing about. I was heavily disappointed when Sam Cedar said he didn’t watch the trial. A trial is the laying out of facts and evidence. How can you make a decision if YOU DON’T GATHER FACTS FIRST??

    • @capitalist4life
      @capitalist4life Před rokem +47

      That’s the thing about being ignorant… you can’t appreciate how flawed your opinions might be.

    • @mynameisamon
      @mynameisamon Před rokem +24

      its seems more that seder was implying he doesnt watch televised court trials because of the media circus/spectacle they can become - he can still be well informed of the facts of a trial by reading court documents and reports since thats what we have done and still do with past trials before cameras in courts were a thing - what do you think? and is there something i might be missing or not understanding?

    • @cameronfair2397
      @cameronfair2397 Před rokem

      You obviously missed what the debate was about. Sam didnt come on to debate about Rittenhouse, he said repeatedly you will find no videos about the case he has made because he doesnt care. He came to debate Destiny saying he would guzzle buckets of cum if Rittenhouse was black and was creating outrage. Sams one and only point(and what they were supposed to be debating) was that Destiny was creating a strawman and doing exactly what he was accusing sam of by saying that. Destiny conceded that point almost immediately debate over, Sam won.
      Everything after was just a discussion about a subject Sam doesnt care about, doesnt usually debate about but made an exception because he was having fun talking to Destiny.

    • @stanislovBrown
      @stanislovBrown Před rokem +12

      The kid was looking for an opportunity to use his gun and he made that happen. That’s all you need to know.
      You just like that he shot a racial justice protester (you’d call all of them rioters)

    • @ImortalZeus13
      @ImortalZeus13 Před rokem +26

      He said it himself: he wants to discourage as many people from confronting protestors with guns as possible. It didn’t matter how good Kyle behaved because Sam’s only interest is in getting more people to do things he wants, and not the more valuable and useful ability to make moral judgments on when violence is and is not an acceptable form of self defense.

  • @SmilingStoic
    @SmilingStoic Před rokem +310

    "Crossed state lines" on Rittenhouse is a straight up tell for someone who doesn't want to frame the issue honestly.

    • @SmilingStoic
      @SmilingStoic Před rokem +18

      @@goblin6587 it is literally true, yes.

    • @TYBG85
      @TYBG85 Před rokem

      ​​@@goblin6587 yes it is but when people were saying that they were doing it to imply it's another of many laws he supposedly broke.
      When people typically hear the phrase "crossed state lines" it's in reference to drug runners and gun runners.
      So because Rittenhouse legally owned a gun media and online commenters just threw the phrase around knowing what it implies to the uneducated.
      Kinda like how most people I ran into online and off assumed Rittenhouse killed two black people because the media referred to the deceased as "BLM protestors" which is true but they knew people who aren't paying close attention will assume he killed two innocent black protesters which I believe significantly contributed to how bad it got.
      The Blake case itself has turned out to be not what everyone thought it was. At the time it wasn't mainstream news that at the time of that stop he had two of his kids in the backseat who were reported kidnapped and Blake has just assaulted the mother of his kids.
      And they didn't often show the beginning of the video where Blake wrestled the cops off of him evading arrest and only showed when he got back to his car to reach under the seat. Which was for a knife supposedly.

    • @matts1166
      @matts1166 Před rokem

      Hell, three weeks AFTER the trial ended Cenk fron the Young Turks was still describing how Rittenhouse chased his first victim down to execute him.

    • @user-fl9ps8xf2y
      @user-fl9ps8xf2y Před rokem +41

      @@goblin6587
      It literally has nothing more to do with the case then him crossing the sidewalk.
      But go on parrot away🦜

    • @shanepurcell8116
      @shanepurcell8116 Před rokem +2

      @@user-fl9ps8xf2y There's not a legal distinction there?

  • @carnivorous_vegan
    @carnivorous_vegan Před 2 lety +739

    The most hilarious part is that Sam Seder KNEW about the guzzling buckets of coom, he even had it written down... and he STILL talked with destiny with a calm tone in the beginning.

    • @killzone866
      @killzone866 Před 2 lety +168

      thats why Sams great

    • @teewhyeee
      @teewhyeee Před 2 lety +92

      @@killzone866 no he's not

    • @gaelmoreno4818
      @gaelmoreno4818 Před 2 lety +17

      @@teewhyeee why

    • @magusd123
      @magusd123 Před 2 lety +116

      @@gaelmoreno4818 because he is a liar. i don’t beleive for 1 minute that he never read anything about rittenhouse or never saw the videos.

    • @yautjacetanu
      @yautjacetanu Před 2 lety

      I'm not going to lie it's change my view on Sam a bit. And the fact he kept repeating buckets of cum over and over was hilarious.
      I feel like Sam was genuinely annoyed at what he thought was destiny's misrepresentation of his position but also finding it hilarious at the same time.

  • @slurve0h
    @slurve0h Před 2 lety +977

    You know Destiny getting serious with a debate when he actually focuses on his guests and doesn't multitask.

  • @hsharma3933
    @hsharma3933 Před rokem +292

    When you can keep changing your argument on the fly and refuse to account for it, you’re never wrong.

  • @anthonyrose2232
    @anthonyrose2232 Před rokem +369

    Wrongful death ? They literally chased him and attacked him 😂

    • @ImortalZeus13
      @ImortalZeus13 Před rokem

      Lefties think every loss of human life is a “tragic wrongful death :(“ unless you’re a rich person in a submarine

    • @jackshepherd93
      @jackshepherd93 Před rokem

      But you are missing the point, you are not allowed to stop rioters doing anything including killing you
      Or you are a racist
      Checkmate

    • @Prometheus4096
      @Prometheus4096 Před rokem +3

      And he killed them.

    • @Sparrows1121
      @Sparrows1121 Před rokem

      Sam is a bad faith debater, so no wonder why he always is a loser

    • @rogerdodger4212
      @rogerdodger4212 Před rokem +61

      @@Prometheus4096 Yes…and?

  • @MeatzzTTV
    @MeatzzTTV Před 2 lety +1071

    Finally, someone named Steven that has the balls to debate Sam Seder.

    • @roguewasbanned4746
      @roguewasbanned4746 Před 2 lety +212

      He still isn’t worth talking to, if this Steven debating him proved anything.

    • @NotaDrDoom
      @NotaDrDoom Před 2 lety +9

      BURN

    • @fernknowsbeststudios7964
      @fernknowsbeststudios7964 Před 2 lety +60

      Crowder’s fearful face that day still hilarious to this day!

    • @sqrtclan5829
      @sqrtclan5829 Před 2 lety +278

      If anything this proves that crowder was right. He does argue in bad faith and is completely insane

    • @therainman7777
      @therainman7777 Před 2 lety +139

      @@fernknowsbeststudios7964 Yeah he was quaking in his boots at the mighty specter of Sam Seder 🙄

  • @obitosensei9365
    @obitosensei9365 Před rokem +820

    Gained my respect for defending Rittenhouse. My mind is blown at the amount of people still calling him a cold blooded murderer with all the video evidence available. I literally can’t process how someone could think it wasn’t self defense other than hating him for his political affiliation, which is just sad.

    • @griffinforberg9147
      @griffinforberg9147 Před rokem +62

      I watching a clip of Christian Walker where Emma Vigeland and another one of them casually brought up Rittenhouse being a murderer. It speaks volumes to the kind of people they are. I feel like Destiny is one the few real ones left out there for online politics.

    • @pnwpariah8691
      @pnwpariah8691 Před rokem

      @B H agreed, I think he was definitely in the right to shoot, but it is kind of scummy how he has grifted off of the event afterwards. That being said with how politicized the case was, I don’t know if there is another way forward for him.

    • @pnwpariah8691
      @pnwpariah8691 Před rokem +1

      @B H 100%

    • @OGgluttonoustoad
      @OGgluttonoustoad Před rokem +36

      He also put himself in that situation. Sure, I guess it was self-defense after he drove from hours away and started patrolling the streets with a large firearm

    • @pnwpariah8691
      @pnwpariah8691 Před rokem +115

      @@OGgluttonoustoad I think he was more like 15-20 minutes away, from what I’ve seen Kenosha was his community. His dad lives there I think

  • @zacshifler
    @zacshifler Před rokem +253

    He keeps saying Rittenhouse is untrained. One thing is certain; his aim and trigger discipline while running backwards/ laying on his back/ hitting moving targets, was totally exceptional. He is definitely well trained with that firearm

    • @user-fl9ps8xf2y
      @user-fl9ps8xf2y Před rokem

      The ncp’s seem to love trained professionals who do horrible and are 180 degrees wrong(like Fauci on several occasions) and hate anyone who actually gets it right and does the right thing that is proven right in time.

    • @MidgetPunter
      @MidgetPunter Před rokem +51

      Not to mention ability to clear a malfunction, chamber a round and put a shot on target while on his ass being attacked. Most grown men in law enforcement wouldn't of been able to manipulate the firearm the way Kyle did and to still put the next shot on target.

    • @jasonmorgan27
      @jasonmorgan27 Před rokem +24

      Bro, how fast reaction to that forward assist under extreme chaos was something that most special forces could not not execute . It was an absolute clinic in as a weapons operator.

    • @danzeljohnson3341
      @danzeljohnson3341 Před rokem +23

      @@MidgetPunterjust to not get flustered and fire was impressive enough for me. I don’t think people understand he would have been justified letting off more shots because a crowd was chasing him at one point and not just a couple guys

    • @shape4234
      @shape4234 Před rokem +28

      Dude he shot the guys arm the SECOND he pulled out his pistol to try and kill him Kyle 100% was very well trained

  • @hcnuup
    @hcnuup Před rokem +62

    "You went to the woods, took bear mace with you, and ended up macing a bear. You went to the woods to mace bears. You are a psychopath"

    • @roscodogg
      @roscodogg Před 9 měsíci

      Who maced bears?
      Whose a psychopath?

    • @hcnuup
      @hcnuup Před 9 měsíci +16

      @@roscodogg Kyle Rittenhouse. I don't know
      you could get confused about this.

    • @roscodogg
      @roscodogg Před 9 měsíci

      @@hcnuup Kyle went to a community literally being destroyed... by humans
      He didn't go there to destroy humans! He went there to stop them from destroying some of what was left and protect innocent people (mostly himself) in the process.
      If anyone is a psychopath in the scenario, it's the people acting like bears.
      And the people on tv and in gov't lying about statistics and the specifics of cases to GET them to act like bears.
      You know- the stochastic terr.or.ism that was briefly mentioned- yet for unknown reasons oddly attributed (incorrectly) to Tucker Carlson 🤔

    • @Crypt0rkid
      @Crypt0rkid Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@roscodoggyou

    • @frankn5812
      @frankn5812 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@roscodoggIt’s an analogy bruther.

  • @ezsteezy1222
    @ezsteezy1222 Před 2 lety +722

    he didn’t watch the trial but he surely has strong opinions about it. makes sense

    • @FirstLast-dh8ks
      @FirstLast-dh8ks Před 2 lety +42

      plausible deniability. You have your cake and eat it too

    • @travis6339
      @travis6339 Před 2 lety +14

      In context of this discussion Sam was referring to trials like the Rittenhouse Trial and the OJ Trial, and I've heard him talk about it on his show before as well. There's truth to the fact that those cases are more so spectacles and their outcomes usually don't have a broader impact on legislation and it's judicial interpretation later on. In fact, the Supreme Court has a policy NOT to record their cases on video, although C-SPAN's started to stream the audio of the oral arguments as of late. Sam does keep his finger on the pulse of the SCOTUS though, wherein the importance of the case typically can't be assessed until the ruling is revealed to the public. Once the cases are accepted for the next SC term, Sam will occasionally speak on the background of the case. After the ruling, Sam will usually have legal experts come on, sometimes going so far as to speak with the Amicus Curiae or pertinent actors in these cases (like Russ Feingold for Citizen's United)

    • @thomasmacisaac1503
      @thomasmacisaac1503 Před 2 lety +60

      @@travis6339 That's hardly the point. Sam mischaracterizes the entire Rittenhouse event through lies of omission any time he talks about it when being familiar with the details of the case would disabuse him and his audience of those notions. He wouldn't even have to watch the trial when the video was available online hours after it happened and showed without any ambiguity that Rittenhouse was in the right. Sam is a hack.

    • @ramigilneas9274
      @ramigilneas9274 Před 2 lety +39

      @@thomasmacisaac1503
      That’s the thing… this was one of the clearest cases of self defense in history.
      Most of the facts were already known within days of the event… and people like Sam kept lying about the facts for a year… some even kept lying after the verdict.
      So I really hope that Kyle can sue a few of those dangerous ideologues.😉

    • @thomasmacisaac1503
      @thomasmacisaac1503 Před 2 lety +2

      @@ramigilneas9274 🤞

  • @militaryman9638
    @militaryman9638 Před 2 lety +444

    If it takes a rittenhouse level defense for self defense justification in anyone's mind, you have no idea what's realistic.

    • @FirstLast-dh8ks
      @FirstLast-dh8ks Před 2 lety +72

      a distorted version of reality, couldn't ask for a more clear cut case

    • @aaronpaul6601
      @aaronpaul6601 Před 2 lety +31

      You mean how he went there to be a vigilant? That draws no red flags in your mind?

    • @jimismacho
      @jimismacho Před 2 lety +122

      @@aaronpaul6601 red flags do not a murderer make.

    • @demon3203
      @demon3203 Před 2 lety

      Suggest you all look into the vegas riots. There were a bunch of asian dudes sitting on rooftops with guns threatening and in some cases shooting people who would come to their business. Everyone understood that is okay and unlike what happened in this case they are just protecting property. While rittenhouse was protecting life... If this isn't a no brainer thing to you then thank god none of you create laws or enforce them.

    • @jseden
      @jseden Před 2 lety +67

      @@euphegenia yet the prosecutor still felt the need to lie and cross legal lines at every opportunity... But sure, they had a solid case 🙄

  • @sirsneakybeaky
    @sirsneakybeaky Před 10 měsíci +59

    This entire debate felt like destiny going
    "So its okay for you to frame things one way. but no one else can the other way?"
    And getting the response
    "Yes" in the longest possible roundabout way.

    • @user-tt7rc2cg1o
      @user-tt7rc2cg1o Před 10 měsíci +7

      What being on the right side of history does to a mf

    • @jamesregiste960
      @jamesregiste960 Před 9 měsíci +3

      So name one city that was "burned to the the ground "?
      Yet that was destiny"s ,mantra, and you clAim it's sam who was "factually incorrect"......?😊

    • @johns1625
      @johns1625 Před 9 měsíci

      A literal CHILD. Crossed STATE LINES. With an AR FIFTEEN ASSUALT RIFLE. Loaded with THIRTY BULLETS. To go to a PEACEFUL PROTEST to protect USED CARS. And THREE PEOPLE got SHOT IN THE FACE and KILLED because of it! 😂😂

    • @merc9nine
      @merc9nine Před 9 měsíci +7

      ​@@johns1625they got shot because they attacked him. You don't open carry to shoot people. You open carry to tell people to stay away and don't F around.

    • @merc9nine
      @merc9nine Před 9 měsíci +11

      ​@@johns1625used cars someone bought for hundreds of thousands of dollars. They have to buy the cars to then resell to make their money back. If I lost $100,000 and my business it would destroy my life, and that of my entire family. You guys act like if someone came and burned your house down, and insurance didn't cover it, like it's just a house man. It's just property. That's ridiculous. Not every business is Walmart or Amazon and can eat that sort of loss.

  • @KoryFPV
    @KoryFPV Před rokem +9

    So Sam doesnt even watch the trial, yet feels Kyle was not justified in protecting his own life? This dude is a joke.

  • @axson8
    @axson8 Před 2 lety +324

    I can't believe Destiny killed Sam Seder, with his words. And now look at him, monetizing it.
    Edit: After having now listened to the full discussion regarding Rittenhouse, Sam Seder is proof positive on why "Innocence until proven guilty" is vitality important to a functioning society. Buckets over here so desperately wants Rittenhouse to be guilty. When Destiny brought up how the Riots started because of fake news (every headline after Blake was shot was "Unarmed black man shot in the back 7 times by police") Buckets rambled on how his buddy 30 years ago got pulled over for driving an expensive car a lot and said that's what started the riots. Buckets has failed the NPC test and well id say he's guzzled large quantities of the proverbial koolaid, buuuuut...
    Adam and Sitch will be putting out a clip compilation later this week on Sam Seder totally factual not at all emotional tirade from day 1 of the Rittenhouse stuff. I hope Destiny takes a peek at it later because he only got a small shot glass of Sam's prolific guzzling of thick, thick hot white man juice.

    • @benrosn8154
      @benrosn8154 Před 2 lety +29

      That is disgusting, I don't care what you say that's just what I believe

    • @humpyloaddart
      @humpyloaddart Před 2 lety

      He's an asshole! That's all I'm saying!

    • @Sisyphus317
      @Sisyphus317 Před 2 lety +7

      It's fxcking gross.

    • @andrewstar21
      @andrewstar21 Před 2 lety

      Kyle spoke with the daily caller BEFORE the shooting.. destiny acting like he was some leftist who got pushed to the right is straight up a lie.. he was literally video taped with a right wing militia before the shooting..

    • @capcaptainmycaptain4771
      @capcaptainmycaptain4771 Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks Obama

  • @FailosHD
    @FailosHD Před 2 lety +264

    the best kind of truth: technically the truth

  • @chaoscreations9744
    @chaoscreations9744 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Apparently, at the time of this debate, neither one of you had the fundamental facts
    Rittenhouse was staying at a friends house the night Blake was shot
    He was already there. He didn’t go to Kenosha because he heard about the riots. He spent more than 50% of his time in Kenosha. He worked in Kenosha his dad lives in Kenosha. His dad owns a business in Kenosha.
    Kenosha is definitely his community. He originally went there during the day, and there’s video evidence of him offering assistance to protesters. No weapon.
    He was not roaming the streets that is a false narrative . He was in one location noticed people starting a fire, grab the fire extinguisher, went to put it out. When he did, he was threatened with violence and being chased down and told he was going to be killed if he was caught. That’s when Kyle Rittenhouse shot his first attacker. When Rittenhouse heard people saying get him, he decided to run towards the police. As running toward the police down the street, he was then starting to be attacked by several others. People who he hesitated to shoot at. The only three people he actually shot were the three people that were will being life-threatening violent towards him.
    Imagine that? being chased down by more than a dozen people, and attacked by more than 6 and in fear of your life, you managed to only shoot the three people that were being life-threatening violent to you.
    Sam admits that he doesn’t know all the facts because he didn’t watch the case. He literally has no clue what he’s talking about here, and he’s formed an opinion based on his own ignorance. That should tell you a lot about Sam. He is intellectually dishonest.

  • @mitchellgaston2043
    @mitchellgaston2043 Před 10 měsíci +7

    Sam is such a clown
    “I didn’t watch the trial and I don’t watch any media about the topic”
    “Here’s my very strong opinion even though I don’t know anything about the issue”
    Lmao

    • @vincenzonapoles4371
      @vincenzonapoles4371 Před 22 dny +1

      He never mentioned anything about the self defense aspect or trial.

  • @Ekitchi0
    @Ekitchi0 Před 2 lety +183

    39:00 The mistake that cost two people their lives wasn’t done by Rittenhouse, it was done by the people attacking him.That’s why he was exonerated.

    • @solangegregory4810
      @solangegregory4810 Před 2 lety +17

      Who gets to decide self defense? Only the person that survives the shoot out, apparently. The second two could easily argue they were trying to defend themselves and the crowd from a mass shooter. Do you not see how insane this whole idea is, that everyone shows up armed to a confrontation and decides everyone else is a threat ?

    • @mezmerizer0266
      @mezmerizer0266 Před 2 lety +16

      @@solangegregory4810 did any, literally anyone else in the crowd show up to testify they felt scared by Rittenhouse?
      No.
      Because everyone who was there on scene knew what was going on, and with their own eyes saw the self defense, heard what was happening as well.

    • @solangegregory4810
      @solangegregory4810 Před 2 lety

      @@mezmerizer0266 Are you joking lol? So pray tell, why did two random people try to take down Kyle? Just for shits and giggles? Why would a guy armed with only a skateboard try to disarm an armed person, if not for fear he would shoot someone else? They didn't have anyone testify to something fucking OBVIOUS because they thought it was implied. Apparently they overestimated people's intelligence vastly.

    • @deeznutz8320
      @deeznutz8320 Před 2 lety

      @@solangegregory4810 Sit down femoid

    • @endermugen
      @endermugen Před 2 lety

      @@solangegregory4810 there is literally video of both deaths. There is no need to speculate as to how the dead pedophile and domestic abuser would argue their defense. There is clear video.

  • @AmonGus-mi4rz
    @AmonGus-mi4rz Před 2 lety +1011

    Destiny’s rhetoric has really improved. He was really composed and structured his arguments in a really non-aggressive, conversational way. The rhetoric arc is working.

    • @williamwayne4043
      @williamwayne4043 Před 2 lety +144

      I mean there some buckets that might disagree with you.

    • @yoboiboy4182
      @yoboiboy4182 Před 2 lety +86

      I think it’s cuz he’s debating Sam Seder, a guy who he respects. Normally he’d half-ass the convo while playing video games

    • @qactus4031
      @qactus4031 Před 2 lety +21

      Yea guy above me nailed it. He surely made a lot fo progress, but he was being extra friendly and patient because of their shared history and who Sam used to be.

    • @YouJGSousa
      @YouJGSousa Před 2 lety +1

      @@qactus4031 the problem is that it ends up being super boring. There is a difference between being a shouting unhinged and pushing back.

    • @kylewilliamholdsworth3737
      @kylewilliamholdsworth3737 Před 2 lety +12

      He was composed but wrong.

  • @hardknoxblount
    @hardknoxblount Před rokem +325

    Thank you Destiny! I laughed my arse off every time Sam said "guzzling buckets of cum". Besides you having the superior argument here, Sam repeating that line over and over again was the best part of this debate. 😂 And for the record, I think you were correct in describing how Sam would react had the roles been reversed.

    • @IamCanadian3333
      @IamCanadian3333 Před rokem +18

      Lmao right?
      I was like, "Damn Sam is really stuck on that isn't he? What's with his weird obsession with that?" 🤣🤣

    • @mt1990sweg
      @mt1990sweg Před rokem +9

      Sam’s right, that’s why.

    • @abbeyprice7413
      @abbeyprice7413 Před rokem +22

      ​@@mt1990sweghe's not and his voice is annoying

    • @KinoTechUSA69
      @KinoTechUSA69 Před rokem +26

      ​@@mt1990swegSam is objectively wrong. We have video evidence of the entire altercation. Take the L

    • @sc3609
      @sc3609 Před rokem +3

      the saying - thou protest too much. lol

  • @trevorandrade
    @trevorandrade Před 11 měsíci +60

    The situation was basically that a kid was being pursued by a mob because he put out a fire. They DIDN"T like the fact that he was putting out fires. That is what started this whole thing. All you need to know is that one side supports the kid putting out fires. The other side supports the mob that got angry that the kid was putting out fires.

    • @pheebs818
      @pheebs818 Před 7 měsíci +4

      Facts

    • @OIOOOIOOOOOOO
      @OIOOOIOOOOOOO Před 5 měsíci

      They were chasing him because he had just shot somone with an assault rifle lmao

    • @thejuniorseas7683
      @thejuniorseas7683 Před 4 měsíci +4

      ​@@OIOOOIOOOOOOORosenbaum chased Kyle because he put out the fire that Rosenbaum and a group of rioters ignited. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

    • @OIOOOIOOOOOOO
      @OIOOOIOOOOOOO Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@thejuniorseas7683 the original comment said "chased by a mob", clearly referring to the crowd that was chasing him after he shot Rosenbaum. I'm not even anti Rittenhouse, the original comment was just wrong.

    • @domquinnchandler
      @domquinnchandler Před 2 měsíci

      @@OIOOOIOOOOOOOcringe

  • @ianmoone6562
    @ianmoone6562 Před 2 lety +60

    Past the fact that dude only reacted to agression... Kyle, the koreans in LA, the mexicans in chicago they are all the same. Got beef with the government go handle it but if you decide to pick on the communities 11/10 you deserve whatever they got reserved for you.

    • @OttisR0t
      @OttisR0t Před rokem +5

      The Koreans in LA were protecting their property

    • @mitchjames9350
      @mitchjames9350 Před rokem +14

      @@OttisR0t and rightfully so, Kyle was putting out fires and attending to injured before he was set upon by scumbags.

    • @OttisR0t
      @OttisR0t Před rokem +1

      @@mitchjames9350 I wasn't sure 2hqt direction OP was going. But the Rittenhouse case was one of the most insane things I've ever watched minus OJ and Casey Anthony. But honestly, Rittenhouse case was worse than Casey because of the lies, deceit and hypocrisy. Casey was the only one lying but in Rittenhouses case, the world was lying

    • @dylan-5287
      @dylan-5287 Před rokem +9

      @@OttisR0t the Koreans were protecting their community property, not necessarily their personal property. Similar to rittenhouse. When the riots broke out the local Korean radio station basically became the HQ. Many of those Korean Americans had fought in the Korean War. So the veterans with experience were sent out to the areas where riots were occurring to protect property. So not necessarily their personal property but rather the community they didn't want destroyed.

  • @bobsmith4226
    @bobsmith4226 Před 2 lety +288

    Rittenhouse could've been a neo nazi who went there with bad intentions. That doesn't really matter when all the guys he shot go about forcing him into situations where he can justifiably use lethal force in self defense because they're presenting a believable imminent threat of bodily harm or death to him. Being an asshole and all round bad guy doesn't mean you lose the ability to defend yourself and should just let others do you harm or try to kill you. I have no doubt his feelings were inflamed when he saw the destruction of property on TV like many others. Does that mean he can kill them for it? No, and he didn't. He killed and maimed only persons that tried to do him harm.

    • @metaempiricist
      @metaempiricist Před 2 lety +47

      Its like Sam Hyde said: Looks like you boys just put yourself right in the middle of a self defense situation.

    • @adityaray86
      @adityaray86 Před 2 lety

      looks like you are intentionally missing the point about Rittenhouse being an asshole - it is not about his character but how an untrained overzealous kid wth a gun in a dynamic protest situation is more likely to get himself and other around him in right clusterfuck, than those more experienced.

    • @adityaray86
      @adityaray86 Před 2 lety +11

      just cuz you know how to shoot does not make you less of danger to yourself and others - in fact the more crazy you are the more unpredictable the situation. This ironically seems to guns rights americans/ and destiny's favourite blindspot. question is why.

    • @metaempiricist
      @metaempiricist Před 2 lety

      @@adityaray86 The fact that you think it doesn't make you less of a danger to yourself and others to know how to safely and accurately handle and shoot a gun is insanely stupid of you.

    • @gogeta667
      @gogeta667 Před 2 lety

      Kyle Rittenhouse openly supported BLM, just not the objective and overt destruction of the town his dad lived in and he worked in. He went out to clean graffiti and basically volunteered as protection. As did many others. He was attacked for his troubles, putting a fire out, by a pedophile who had driven there to riot after being let out of a mental facility.
      He was then assaulted multiple times in his attempts to flee the dangerous scene. Even the dude that survived, Guage somethin, admitted in court Kyle shot him only AFTER he aimed his gun.
      The amount of people I see who still think Kyle killed two black dudes just really is demoralizing. Those people vote and they're equal to your vote.

  • @daxisperry7644
    @daxisperry7644 Před 10 měsíci +52

    He conceded that Rittenhouse traveling isn't really an issue...then later yells "He drove 20 minutes across state lines!"

  • @starhawks1
    @starhawks1 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Seder is an absolute god at weaseling out of situations where he is obviously wrong. He's such a rat in these debates

  • @Demonluv
    @Demonluv Před 2 lety +413

    "I had very little coverage of the case," "I don't watch the legal case" Well he certainly had some fucking spicy takes on that video of his for not having watched the case and knowing little about it.

    • @meddlesomemusic
      @meddlesomemusic Před 2 lety +42

      You don't have to watch the the trial to obtain the relevant facts on the public record

    • @paromanin
      @paromanin Před 2 lety +17

      None of his takes are about the legality.

    • @politicaltroll8920
      @politicaltroll8920 Před 2 lety +5

      Sam was pretty clear that he wasn’t following the details of the case while it was ongoing.

    • @rayquaza1245
      @rayquaza1245 Před 2 lety +42

      @@validatedclassified2564 It's not about watching the whole trial, it's about being informed on the facts of the case. Watching the trial would just be a means to learning the facts, but you don't have to watch the whole thing to know the facts.

    • @burbsl1672
      @burbsl1672 Před 2 lety +3

      @@validatedclassified2564 imagine agreeing with Pakman
      Couldn't be me

  • @vercengetorixrex5953
    @vercengetorixrex5953 Před 2 lety +20

    If that Blake guy killed those kids and another family in a crash and was taken into custody without incident, theyd be more outraged at him not getting BK than the deaths. Pretending to care about black ppl theyd be terrified of in any other context is like fantasy football to this sect.

  • @thomasramsey1870
    @thomasramsey1870 Před rokem +55

    "I don't watch trials, I just give I give misinformed opinions on them"

    • @JohnSmith-yd5wq
      @JohnSmith-yd5wq Před 4 měsíci

      No

    • @thomasramsey1870
      @thomasramsey1870 Před 4 měsíci

      @@JohnSmith-yd5wq What?

    • @JohnSmith-yd5wq
      @JohnSmith-yd5wq Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@thomasramsey1870 Seder said he read the most comprehensive reporting on Rittenhouse. Which was the GQ article. He just doesn't watch or cover trials. Practice your listening comprehension. BTW Destiny said that Sam was factually correct.

    • @thomasramsey1870
      @thomasramsey1870 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@JohnSmith-yd5wq What makes you think anyone asked?

  • @metalcadude2
    @metalcadude2 Před rokem +7

    "I'm not saying they should leave, I'm saying that no one should go and help them and just let their town burn!"

  • @nocuh
    @nocuh Před 2 lety +625

    Seder here serves as a good example of exactly what Destiny is criticizing:
    Eternally getting key details wrong when they’re inconvenient to preferred framing, not watching trials while pushing emphatic assertions related to the case, and being cemented in emotional opinions born from falsehood despite evidence to the contrary. Embarrassing 😬

    • @mariomario1462
      @mariomario1462 Před 2 lety +45

      Except he wasn't wrong

    • @tb8654
      @tb8654 Před 2 lety +25

      @@mariomario1462 he had no details wrong regarding the Rittenhouse case that were at least not corrected? Is that what you are claiming?

    • @Jtgagemac
      @Jtgagemac Před 2 lety +50

      @@mariomario1462 He wasn't right, either.

    • @mariomario1462
      @mariomario1462 Před 2 lety +3

      @@tb8654 correct. In this video he did not

    • @mariomario1462
      @mariomario1462 Před 2 lety +18

      @@Jtgagemac he was. Dude shouldn't have been there with a gun being a wannabe militia

  • @Tangerinian
    @Tangerinian Před 2 lety +77

    he will never live down the jizzler stuff

    • @TheAbsoluteSir
      @TheAbsoluteSir Před 2 lety

      He made that so much worse for himself. Clipped lmao.

    • @Mremsee90
      @Mremsee90 Před 2 lety

      You think he’d run from that? I think he said it multiple times about himself for a laugh. He quoted it a few times on his own show while chuckling

    • @Tangerinian
      @Tangerinian Před 2 lety

      @@Mremsee90 well he said it completely red in the face. And people on twitter will constantly be in his comments saying "JIZZLER JIZZLER JIZZLER" for years

    • @danielshepard1449
      @danielshepard1449 Před 2 lety

      Wow a "you like jizz" joke? You really GOT HIM bro! How will Sam ever recover?

  • @troll707
    @troll707 Před rokem +166

    Wow I'm glad Sam dropped out of law school. Actually embarrassing the distances he'll go to smear someone who defended themselves

    • @amandanorris8
      @amandanorris8 Před rokem +10

      You sure he dropped out? Or flunked out?

    • @jackshepherd93
      @jackshepherd93 Před rokem +3

      Was he right about one think in this entire video ?

    • @Prometheus4096
      @Prometheus4096 Před rokem +6

      Sam isn't making any legal arguments, lol. At least Sam flunked out of prestigious law school, after already getting his BSc. And not flunking out of community college music degree to play video games.

    • @Sparrows1121
      @Sparrows1121 Před rokem

      @@Prometheus4096 So flunking out to smoke loser weed is better? Ok whatever liberals -_-

    • @saraarlavi4217
      @saraarlavi4217 Před 11 měsíci

      @@Prometheus4096 At least he is guzzling the c*m of black men :D

  • @cubsfan2929
    @cubsfan2929 Před 10 měsíci +7

    Holy hell sam is so dishonest...

  • @actualperson9628
    @actualperson9628 Před 2 lety +233

    Let’s ignore he shot someone who was chasing him for putting out a literal dumpster fire he was pushing into a gas station.. After shots went off behind him and rossenbaum grabbed for his gun… After rossenbaum threatened to kill him and others that night..

    • @micahatkins5286
      @micahatkins5286 Před 2 lety

      ……as was his his claim in court.
      But, let’s not ignore that none of the sh*t would’ve happened if he’d stayed his underaged a** at home.

    • @uppercutgrandma4425
      @uppercutgrandma4425 Před 2 lety +109

      It takes an academic mind to see being chased down by a mob as a peaceful demonstration.

    • @danielshepard1449
      @danielshepard1449 Před 2 lety +16

      Interesting, so you are saying Kyle started this confrontation by putting out fires and confronting people over property damage during a riot? Hmm I wonder why he would do that....almost as if he purposely put himself in a scenario where he could shoot people who were rioting or something.

    • @Voltroc
      @Voltroc Před 2 lety

      @@danielshepard1449 Nah fam, it's cause he's a white supremacist looking for white people to shoot, duh.

    • @DB1Dragoon
      @DB1Dragoon Před 2 lety +41

      @@danielshepard1449
      Over property he and his friends were asked to protect, there are multiple pictures of Kyle and others with the owners of the property, the owners even admitted to driving the guy who helped organize the people who arrived that night, stop being dishonest.

  • @Vic2point0
    @Vic2point0 Před 2 lety +194

    Only criticism is you really should've forced Sam to admit the Kenosha rioting was also bullshit. WTF are the police supposed to do, let him take off with two little kids in the back seat, potentially killing them all while fleeing from the cops?

    • @Reignor99
      @Reignor99 Před 2 lety

      hi again

    • @igotadildoinmyassrnbut8104
      @igotadildoinmyassrnbut8104 Před 2 lety +3

      how does that change anything lmao

    • @maxmensch8910
      @maxmensch8910 Před 2 lety +2

      Wasn't the guy shot by the police the father of those kids?

    • @Vic2point0
      @Vic2point0 Před 2 lety +29

      @@maxmensch8910 They were, but he was violating a restraining order just by being there. Suffice to say it had been determined he had no right to take off with three of their children.

    • @maxmensch8910
      @maxmensch8910 Před 2 lety +16

      ​@@Vic2point0 Shooting someone over violating a restraining order seems a little bit out of proportion, to put it mildly.

  • @clthornsbury4192
    @clthornsbury4192 Před rokem +7

    Ask the guy who lost his bicep how many more protests he will attend.

    • @themallenman
      @themallenman Před 3 měsíci

      Going off your comment, you seem to be against free speech. Wow.

    • @clthornsbury4192
      @clthornsbury4192 Před 3 měsíci

      @@themallenman do you even know who I am referring to here?

  • @ronaldc9071
    @ronaldc9071 Před rokem +5

    He wasn't on trial for vigilantism or was he suppose to be there or not. He was on trial for murder and the jury said no murder was committed cause it was self defense. It's literally that's simple

    • @xiomanaxoxoxo3212
      @xiomanaxoxoxo3212 Před 3 měsíci

      He should have been on trial for vigilantism . It’s why he went there I’m sure of it .

  • @Wingster
    @Wingster Před 2 lety +40

    I literally just opened CZcams

    • @gilbertoperalta2172
      @gilbertoperalta2172 Před 2 lety

      Bro the exact same feeling you are having right now I have to every time I open Twitter

  • @BruskPoet
    @BruskPoet Před 2 lety +137

    GUZZLERS UNITE 🥛

  • @GodspromisesRyes
    @GodspromisesRyes Před rokem +5

    What it comes down to is Sam hates business, property, care for your community. If he would have got shot instead of shooting he would agree he should be shot

    • @vincenzonapoles4371
      @vincenzonapoles4371 Před 22 dny

      He made a direct distinction between traveling to and defending your immediate location.

  • @Invertedworldx
    @Invertedworldx Před rokem +19

    As I rabbit hole my way more and more of destiny's content and truly like him more each day while on the opposite side of political views. I can't help but enjoy his intelligence and thoughtful perspectives.
    This debate literally got handed on a platter when destiny brought up the L.A riots and how the asians protected their property that is the ultimate take away from the red herring argument and ignorance of well "Kyle" could have just stayed home while K burned down. 24:12

    • @michaelrandall7667
      @michaelrandall7667 Před 6 měsíci +3

      I always say when it comes to objective matters like Rittenhouse he is great. He does his research and sticks to the facts. When it comes to anything subjective, usually political, he's a fool. He's the equivalent of a random Twitter person. It's odd that he's the same person sometimes.

  • @kukuyeah
    @kukuyeah Před rokem +197

    Rittenhouse didn't "roam the streets". He was on the lot of a car dealership and only left it to put out a fire. That's when he was attacked and pursued through the streets. This debate feels like I fell into a wormhole into 2021. All of this stuff was talked about at length in the trial.

    • @mattt9187
      @mattt9187 Před rokem

      The only mistake Grosskreutz made was not shooting first. If he had this would be a non-issue. But he was a mature man with a gun and little Kyle was a teenager who's parents dropped him off in a dangerous situation he lacked the ability to deal with. Child abuse by any other name.

    • @explosivez1
      @explosivez1 Před rokem +19

      Yes let me go out with a AR, in a riot….

    • @razacosmicapilled
      @razacosmicapilled Před rokem +32

      @@explosivez1 based

    • @MrMCN1963
      @MrMCN1963 Před rokem

      @@explosivez1right? how is it so difficult for the small penis crowd to understand that guns are for self defense. you aren’t defensive when leading with the chin

    • @basedbrit4206
      @basedbrit4206 Před rokem +49

      @@explosivez1 Yeah man you should just let people riot and kill indiscriminately

  • @Blankfbuser
    @Blankfbuser Před 2 lety +36

    Hes taking the Vaush approach "he just should have submitted to mob rule"

    • @NicoNL
      @NicoNL Před 2 lety

      They’re unironically pro lynching

    • @roguewasbanned4746
      @roguewasbanned4746 Před 2 lety +10

      Yeah the pro lynching view lmao

    • @danielshepard1449
      @danielshepard1449 Před 2 lety +2

      I love how Sam didn't even say anything close to this in the video but you are programmed to use the buzzword phrases

    • @dillonnauta8601
      @dillonnauta8601 Před 2 lety

      Sam said he defended himself if you were listening. He's using the 'shouldn't have been there' argument.

    • @tripledigit4835
      @tripledigit4835 Před 2 lety

      That’s not a fair interpretation of what Sam said. Even if you disagree with Sam on Rittenhouse he never said and implied “Rittenhouse should submit to mob rule”

  • @supahdupah207
    @supahdupah207 Před rokem +2

    24:15 you know how black people can protect themselves from cops? Don't go outside. Come on bruh, it sounds stupid doesn't it?

  • @pheebs818
    @pheebs818 Před 7 měsíci +1

    People to this day still think that Rittenhouse killed a black man.

    • @Hi-Scores
      @Hi-Scores Před 7 měsíci

      Thats not even relevant to anything that happened with his case

  • @hunter3551
    @hunter3551 Před rokem +147

    Destiny is missing the part about how Kyle Rittenhouse was in Kenosha the day before and how he was a volunteer EMT and he was carrying a medkit and the gun was secondary to defend himself. There's pictures of him doing volunteer work in kenosha

    • @guyfanno1
      @guyfanno1 Před rokem +18

      He actually took 2 medkits with him, a big one and one he could carry on his person. But people get triggered because he called himself an EMT and ignore the medkits. Technically no he was not a fully qualified EMT but he was more than qualified to do more than basic first aid with all his training.
      l think he just used EMT as it was easier to yell out. And most of the time he just yelled medical anyway.
      I dont see how saying you are an EMT negates your right to defend yourself.
      .

    • @aydan910
      @aydan910 Před rokem +6

      the guy he shot in the hand and permanently paralyzed was also an EMT helping protesters in kenosha.

    • @hunter3551
      @hunter3551 Před rokem +32

      @@aydan910 both of the guys he shot attacked him so it doesn't matter what he was, rittenhouse protected himself

    • @mitchjames9350
      @mitchjames9350 Před rokem

      There are videos of him putting out fires and attending to the injured before he was set upon by leftist goons.

    • @mitchjames9350
      @mitchjames9350 Před rokem +28

      @@aydan910 your lying, kyle killed two and the third wasn’t paralysed. He was a criminal who crossed state lines carrying an illegally obtained gun and had pulled it on Kyle which is why he got shot. Where do you get that he was an EMT helping people?

  • @Mr_Paulino
    @Mr_Paulino Před 2 lety +155

    @31:45 That guzzler’s comment was hilarious 😂

    • @Thenumber12pwns
      @Thenumber12pwns Před 2 lety +40

      Yeah especially when Sam kept repeating it and destiny would just start laughing lol

    • @shipwreckeddemon1943
      @shipwreckeddemon1943 Před 2 lety +10

      To me, it showed me that maybe it is time our boy left the political sphere.
      That petty little comment was so not needed. From a guy, I respect for seeking to be more rhetorically effective to do something like that and just snicker every time afterwards told me Stephen is a child at heart. Kinda broke my heart actually. Sad to see those you respect act in such a way.

    • @wakkablockablaw6025
      @wakkablockablaw6025 Před 2 lety +1

      It's funny because it's true

    • @stanleyelnats
      @stanleyelnats Před 2 lety +10

      @@shipwreckeddemon1943 it was obviously a joke and meant to be taken as such unlike many of Sams points which were conpletely disingenuous and meant to pander to left leaning listeners. Also if Destiny left then we would just be left with people like Sam who thunks that burning down a building is the same as stealing a pack of skittles.

    • @ronmexico7256
      @ronmexico7256 Před 2 lety +1

      @@shipwreckeddemon1943 Yeah just when you think he’s so close he falls back into this behaviour 😢

  • @gamerthug5oh
    @gamerthug5oh Před rokem +25

    2 things -
    Super glad you didn't let him get away with saying that he hasn't been following the case that closely by saying "It's one thing to not be following something but then why have such a strong opinion about it?"
    Also, really glad you brought up that Kyle could have just had the gun to protect himself from violent protesters. I'm surprised they didn't go with that defense in court and it hardly got brought up but that's obviously why he would have had the gun, not to protect property.

    • @rogerdodger4212
      @rogerdodger4212 Před rokem +5

      They literally did bring that up in the court case. It was in Rittenhouse’s testimony.

    • @danzeljohnson3341
      @danzeljohnson3341 Před rokem +7

      He openly admitted to committing to a debate and giving his strong views without doing any research

    • @blackgateboxingxuanmenquan6407
      @blackgateboxingxuanmenquan6407 Před rokem +1

      If the courts had found Rittenhouse guilty Sam wouldn’t make ANY concessions, and he’d just say, all the same, that he didn’t follow it closely. As he didn’t beforehand. Not an honest broker.

  • @scrufinator1
    @scrufinator1 Před rokem +53

    Destiny gives a masterclass in exposing hypocrisy.

  • @holidaytrout5174
    @holidaytrout5174 Před 2 lety +32

    Completely irrelevant to Rittenhouse, but if people are rioting, why the hell shouldn't you be able to protect your property with lethal force? Why do rioters have a right to destroy? But suddenly people who defend their property (and more likely their lives) shouldn't do that?

    • @francisxavier8374
      @francisxavier8374 Před 2 lety

      being unable to protect your property with lethal force would not, in any way, give rioters a right to destroy, that's fucking retarded
      also i think he said he was fine with people protecting their own business ( i think he mmentioned bodegas ) also with guns

    • @danielshepard1449
      @danielshepard1449 Před 2 lety +5

      Because it's
      1. Illegal and 2. Immoral. Property isn't a person, so why should you be able to take someone's life over it? Why do you property owners have a right to kill for their property? They don't, not in America or any other place I know of. That's why Destiny avoids directly saying he wants to kill people for property damage, but we all know that's what this is really about, so I appreciated your honesty. This debate would be much easier if conservatives just admitted they wanted to shoot people for breaking stuff.

    • @TheButterAnvil
      @TheButterAnvil Před 2 lety +12

      Because my team good, capitalism bad

    • @holidaytrout5174
      @holidaytrout5174 Před 2 lety +16

      @@danielshepard1449 why would you risk your life to attack people's property? People's property is what makes their living. It's what they invest their money and time into. Why wouldn't they want to defend it? And why wouldn't you want to encourage this kinda wretched behavior by standing down? I don't want people to die, but they should be able to defend property destruction with lethal force

    • @Fingolfin30
      @Fingolfin30 Před 2 lety +11

      @@danielshepard1449 It’s immoral to protect someone’s livelihood? That’s probably the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Kyle shot people because they attacked him, not because they were destroying property.

  • @zarka223
    @zarka223 Před 2 lety +276

    That George Floyd framing Destiny used to prove his point was *chef’s kiss* BEAUTIFUL!

    • @michaeldromes3948
      @michaeldromes3948 Před 2 lety +77

      Yeah that was a massive L on Seder's part. "Just frame things however you want" is such a self sabotaging thing to say for a political commentator.

    • @cabbytabby
      @cabbytabby Před 2 lety

      Can you give me the time stamp?

    • @zarka223
      @zarka223 Před 2 lety +4

      @@cabbytabby 40:07

    • @cabbytabby
      @cabbytabby Před 2 lety

      @@zarka223 thank you

    • @Matt-tr7sx
      @Matt-tr7sx Před 2 lety +18

      Merely pointing out that something is framed a certain way isn’t a gotcha. Framing things in a particular way is what political commentators do. The issue is the underlying intent. The Floyd example serves an indefensible underlying intent.

  • @drowningpooralice5505
    @drowningpooralice5505 Před 9 měsíci +1

    So Kyle is an asshole for going there in order to protect property, but the people that went and damaged property are cool?

  • @fettbub92
    @fettbub92 Před rokem +72

    The point regarding Kyle using this for fame, is moot. You nailed it. He didn't seek fame, he was made famous by people like Sam. They wanted to make him a public enemy, they wanted to make him infamous. You can't spell infamous without famous children.

    • @raymondjones616
      @raymondjones616 Před rokem +7

      Exactly. It was media(ESPECIALLY left wing media) that made Rittenhouse famous.
      He was immediately declared the villain.
      He was already famous before the full facts of the case even came out. Sam has no basis to criticize him for embracing the right.

    • @credman
      @credman Před rokem

      He's George Zimmerman, another right-wing loser who was looking for trouble and desperate for his Dirty Harry moment so he could feel like a real man instead of a prepubescent baby-faced virgin. It shows how immature and narcissistic Destiny's fans are that they think this is a serious debate and their side is bringing nothing but facts and logic when it's just a trivial disagreement about subjective gut feelings about Rittenhouse's character.

    • @macaron3141592653
      @macaron3141592653 Před rokem +2

      No that's unfair. Just because the left was shitting on Kyle doesn't require him to monetize using the other extreme. He doesn't have to stay a public figure if he doesn't want, but he's reveling in attention from the worst media figures in the country and he deserves criticism for that.

    • @fettbub92
      @fettbub92 Před rokem +3

      @@macaron3141592653 I don't disagree that he deserves criticism for milking this, but if the left didn't want him to be famous, they shouldnt have tried to make him infamous. Especially lying about the facts and misconstruing the case. They shouldn't be surprised he has such fame.

    • @raymondjones616
      @raymondjones616 Před rokem +4

      @@macaron3141592653 No it doesn't "require" him to embrace the right.
      But it does put him on that path.
      I mean, 1 whole party says he is evil Nazi scum and tells their voters this for over a year, while the other side says he is not...most teenagers in his position would do exactly the same.

  • @j.c.jeggis1818
    @j.c.jeggis1818 Před 2 lety +154

    Take a shot every time Sam gets heated about Rittenhouse and then throws his hands up and says that he doesn't care as soon as Destiny pins him on something

  • @MegaIronica
    @MegaIronica Před 2 lety +57

    Sam Seder : "he was an ass hole"
    Destiny : "he has the right to be so"
    No one said he doesn't have the right to be an ass hole.

    • @HistoricaHungarica
      @HistoricaHungarica Před 2 lety +5

      Buddy, in Destiny’s mind morals ARE the rights.
      And vice versa.

    • @wisemage0
      @wisemage0 Před 2 lety

      Ok. Then all of the rioters are also assholes.
      Especially the ones who brought firearms.

    • @MegaIronica
      @MegaIronica Před 2 lety

      @@HistoricaHungarica so according to you or you assessment of Destiny's position "because people have the right to be ass holes, it is moral to be an ass hole"

    • @bryced7633
      @bryced7633 Před 2 lety +8

      dont act like thats the only thing Sam said.....

    • @goodmonson9903
      @goodmonson9903 Před 2 lety +13

      Sam wanted him convicted lmao, you're right that he does have the right to be an asshole but everyone who was rooting against him in the court case is rooting for that right to be taken away

  • @imperishablestars33
    @imperishablestars33 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Rittenhouse was literally getting his head bashed in by a skateboard, which could be as fatal as a bullet

  • @johnhenry8257
    @johnhenry8257 Před rokem +3

    Sam Seder is such a tool… did he really say growing up in the CITY of Worchester MA qualified him to talk about rural areas

  • @snowballeffect7812
    @snowballeffect7812 Před 2 lety +121

    destiny straight up wrong on citizens united. "this will be argued every time!" no it won't and it literally was not. it was "just fine" until citizen's united. pretty bad faith, tbh.

    • @megaton2169
      @megaton2169 Před 2 lety +14

      How is that bad faith? Not trying to be aggressive here just wondering

    • @snowballeffect7812
      @snowballeffect7812 Před 2 lety +1

      @@megaton2169 sam described how it was. destiny is acting like if they didn't make the broad ruling on citizen's united, literally every media company will have to justify themselves in court. obviously that wasn't the case since if it was, we would have had this decision immediately after campaign finance reform and not wait until citizens united to appeal up to SCOTUS. it's a slippery slope strawman that is debunked prehoc. I haven't seen something so puerile from destiny in a long while.

    • @megaton2169
      @megaton2169 Před 2 lety +2

      @@snowballeffect7812 alright i can see that thx

    • @snowballeffect7812
      @snowballeffect7812 Před 2 lety +3

      @@megaton2169 no problem. happy to clarify.

    • @undeadman7676
      @undeadman7676 Před 2 lety +10

      It's INCREDIBLY bad faith to start up a conversation about Citizen's United for dunking points in a debate about Kyle Rittenhouse.
      Of course Destiny isn't going to get it right. He wrote all of his notes for Kyle Rittenhouse. Not giving your opponent prep time is a super dick move.

  • @Rofel_Wodring
    @Rofel_Wodring Před 2 lety +292

    Did Destiny forget the term "lying by omission"? When Seder cherry-picks his "facts" about Rittenhouse while ignoring others and even then still get one or two wrong. Easy example of this happened as soon as the trial began and a lot of people came out on social media stating they didn't even know the people who got shot were white, which considering the context the shooting should be an important information specially since it was in the summer of love of 2020.

    • @HolyCanoley
      @HolyCanoley Před 2 lety +13

      Does Destiny not do the same thing? Forget the legal, moral, etc. points about this situation that Destiny (inexplicably in my opinion) keeps hitting his viewers and everyone he talks to about this situation over the head with...what about the common sense aspects of Kyles decisions? Is it so hard to simply say "ya, this kid was kind of a moron....and most reasonable people who not have made the decisions he did."?

    • @dfmrcv862
      @dfmrcv862 Před 2 lety

      @@HolyCanoley if Kyle was a moron for being there with a rifle what does that say of the people that caused him to actually decide to be there?
      You know... The rioters setting everything on fire?
      If you think Kyle is a moron then you also have to agree he was at least smarter than everyone that showed up to riot over a good police shooting.

    • @tb8654
      @tb8654 Před 2 lety +43

      @@HolyCanoley have you watched any of Destiny's videos on this topic? He has stated exactly that a multitude of times

    • @tb8654
      @tb8654 Před 2 lety +23

      @@HolyCanoley have you watched any of Destiny's videos on this topic or are you just biased as hell and are trying to speak on this without even knowing anything beyond a surface level? He has stated exactly that a multitude of times

    • @AkaiKnight
      @AkaiKnight Před 2 lety +34

      @@HolyCanoley He's said that several times, but its literally never good enough for you people.

  • @Classicalliberal85
    @Classicalliberal85 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Sam is objectively the loser of this debate, he backed off his original position and had no substantive conversation against Destiny's points of self defense. He looks like a weasel in this conversation who doesnt care about how his coverage will be received.

  • @fieryeurochick3194
    @fieryeurochick3194 Před 8 měsíci +1

    If the races were reversed, I believe Sam would have had a different interview. And now, we know exactly how Floyd died.

  • @Septurez
    @Septurez Před 2 lety +303

    props to Seder for actually talking to you

    • @yoboiboy4182
      @yoboiboy4182 Před 2 lety +60

      Seder talks to just about anyone lol. He lets randoms phone into his show to debate all the time.

    • @henhousecannibalstudios310
      @henhousecannibalstudios310 Před 2 lety +61

      Yeah man, thanks for making that comment , I’m a fan of Seders and learned about destiny a few years back through his show… reading through the comments in this stuff is driving me nuts.. people calling Seder the “slipperiest liar they’ve ever seen” the dude comes on Destinys stream to have a discussion about a disagreement the way he does every single day on his show with live calls .. I think these idiots have no idea that none of the political commentators they listen to would ever do that..

    • @yermil890
      @yermil890 Před 2 lety +33

      Yeah man props to seder for being open to aggressively lying to all kinds people and acting like hes angry/offended when they say he's a liar

    • @PrimoPete
      @PrimoPete Před 2 lety +4

      He is only talking to Destiny coz they share an audience, of course he feels he needs to defend him fallacious arguments.

    • @yermil890
      @yermil890 Před 2 lety

      @@PrimoPete theyre not fallacious if theyre true. He only cares cuz hes like hasan or vaush. They only care cuz they want money

  • @TigerTzu
    @TigerTzu Před 2 lety +40

    The final cope of someone who's Dead. Fucking. Wrong. is to say, "Well, he may not have done anything illegal, or even necessarily immoral... but... he's just such a jerk!"

    • @zhengyingli
      @zhengyingli Před 2 lety +5

      It's like Matt Braunger being exposed live on Joe Rogan for admitting not knowing anything about the Covington kids situation. In the end, knowing he has made a fool of himself, Matt keeps harping on the MAGA hat.

    • @danielshepard1449
      @danielshepard1449 Před 2 lety +2

      Good thing no one in this conversation said that

    • @TigerTzu
      @TigerTzu Před 2 lety +5

      @@danielshepard1449 You must not have watched it then

  • @mattstiglic
    @mattstiglic Před rokem +1

    Sam Seder: let it burn, because im a coward, and you should be a coward too.

  • @Noone7238
    @Noone7238 Před rokem +9

    “What side is he on?”
    There it is, he was salty because Sam see’s the kid as the enemy, the other team. That’s why he treats him as such.

  • @BEEFDOCTOR
    @BEEFDOCTOR Před 2 lety +221

    Sam's got a real talent in speaking for an inordinate amount of time, and saying something that would take the average person 30 seconds. It's just tiring to listen too.

    • @BEEFDOCTOR
      @BEEFDOCTOR Před 2 lety +33

      @Silent Man - I'm not sure what you mean by "that", but I should clarify what I meant. He seems to have a habit of answering a question or making a point, then proceeding to engage in pointless repetition, and / or a monologue that serves nothing.

    • @BEEFDOCTOR
      @BEEFDOCTOR Před 2 lety +23

      @Silent Man - Sure, 16:30 - 18:22 is a good example, it's meandering and drawn out. He doesn't really make any declarative statement, rendering it useless, eg "maybe he felt such a close connection to that community that erm, he, you know, that's what spurred him on to grab a gun and go down there and patrol, or or or not. I mean, I don't know, you don't know, we can't know that" - then why bother to bring it up then? it's totally irrelevant.
      I realise that this could be considered a "taste" issue, but I find the delivery difficult to listen to, and the content lacking.

    • @BEEFDOCTOR
      @BEEFDOCTOR Před 2 lety +21

      @Silent Man - Didn't say that, I was saying that Sam's statement is irrelevant.
      Like I said, I find his delivery difficult to listen to. You may agree or not, but that has no bearing on my opinions on the matter.

    • @ChrisDeVera1982
      @ChrisDeVera1982 Před 2 lety +1

      Imagine how he feels. He
      explains things fully, clearly, with evidential support, and nuance.
      In response, he gets lame gotchas and outta context takes
      It is tiring af yes
      Edit: Ment in regards to Destiny

    • @counselorguy5481
      @counselorguy5481 Před 2 lety +10

      Vaush does the same thing.

  • @edcaous
    @edcaous Před 2 lety +50

    It's weird to see progressives embracing the "she was asking for it" argument.

  • @dougsmith615
    @dougsmith615 Před rokem +1

    Sam Seder sounds like a mentally wandering mess…

  • @Genarii
    @Genarii Před rokem +1

    42:15 - Destiny lets Sam off the hook here in my opinion. Keep hammering that the issue is *dishonest framing* and demonstrate the equivalent of what Sam is saying (from hypoyhetical Tucker's mouth): "and I am fine framing Floyd's death that way because I want to discourage anybody from taking Fentanyl and going around passing fake bills."
    Both are dishonest framing because trials in both cases showed that the critical factors were a knee on the neck for 9 minutes in one case, and being chased by some crazies (including a man using a skateboard as a weapon) in the other. Floyd need not have died, and Rittenhouse need not have killed anyone. In each instance, it was other assholes who caused the real problems.
    Credit to Destiny for the comparison of Floyd vs Rittenhouse framing with "just facts," I just wish he'd hold Sam to it and see if Sam is capable of conceding a point on which he is so clearly wrong.

  • @blakemccartney1068
    @blakemccartney1068 Před rokem +59

    Sam moved his goalposts so many times, it is in the parking lot now.

    • @illshot2785
      @illshot2785 Před rokem

      Your brain is so smooth it's a fucking egg.

  • @stephenlott6968
    @stephenlott6968 Před 2 lety +279

    Holy sh*t! I can't believe Seder agreed to this.

    • @TravelsTTG
      @TravelsTTG Před 2 lety +26

      Why?

    • @S3aCa1mRa1n
      @S3aCa1mRa1n Před 2 lety +67

      He agrees when it’s convenient for him, he doesn’t want to be on Tim’s podcast.

    • @Axolotlian
      @Axolotlian Před 2 lety +77

      @@S3aCa1mRa1n Wasn't tim the one that backed out or am I thinking of crowder?

    • @the_inquisitive_inquisitor
      @the_inquisitive_inquisitor Před 2 lety +18

      @@Axolotlian Crowder, for sure. Tim, maybe IDK

    • @ogzombieblunt4626
      @ogzombieblunt4626 Před 2 lety +88

      @@the_inquisitive_inquisitor
      Crowder never agreed to debate him...? You seem to be remembering a bad faith manuever by h3h3 and seder

  • @hackinggamerxd
    @hackinggamerxd Před rokem +2

    Sam Seder is so unlikable, I don't get why anyone would watch this dude or even talk to him

    • @krotchlickmeugh627
      @krotchlickmeugh627 Před rokem

      It wouldn't matter. He's paid handsomely to never stop saying what he's told.

  • @oliverm8146
    @oliverm8146 Před rokem

    can someone quicly explain what the central controversy is? I have no Idea whats happening.

  • @BasedOttoHightower
    @BasedOttoHightower Před 2 lety +122

    Because Kyle was acquitted he doesn’t have to disappear and hide from society. He has every right to go public.

    • @wadewilson777
      @wadewilson777 Před 2 lety +16

      Sedar was arguing he was an asshole for doing it, not that he had the right to do it. He agrees he has a right to do it.

    • @paxelysia8202
      @paxelysia8202 Před 2 lety +24

      It’s not like he can work a normal 9-5 seeing as how 1/4 of the country thinks he did some search and destroy ops on three black people

    • @pooshoveler
      @pooshoveler Před 2 lety

      No one said he didn't. They just said he was an asshole. I don't have to like anyone I don't want to. I think Kyle is a dishonest asshole. That's my right.

    • @cutekitten9856
      @cutekitten9856 Před 2 lety

      @@wadewilson777 So whats the point then? Is the debate on if Kyle is an asshole or not? Totally meaningless.

    • @Johnjackjack
      @Johnjackjack Před 2 lety +5

      @@paxelysia8202 action of consequences and there are plenty of republicans who own business who would of hired him even some democrats would to

  • @hippipdip
    @hippipdip Před 2 lety +14

    Henceforth i will only refer to Sam Seder as Ryan Guzzling.

  • @Hustler_state
    @Hustler_state Před 10 měsíci +3

    Two men debating and talking about subjects openly is how things can get accomplished and society has worked for a very long time. And without it, we wouldn't be in great condition.

  • @user-hc6dp3bg3t
    @user-hc6dp3bg3t Před 9 měsíci +1

    The reason those people died was because they attacked Kyle Rittenhouse. Kyle Rittenhouse didn't have any intent to shoot hurt anyone. He was attacked, he defended himself. He was pursued, he was shot at, he was assaulted. Those were the actions which led to their deaths. Sam is saying that him going there alone was the reason that led to them being killed. That is a stretch and false.

  • @SomeGuy-fh5ds
    @SomeGuy-fh5ds Před 2 lety +44

    🥛GUZZLERS UNITED 🥛

  • @wil404
    @wil404 Před 2 lety +30

    Why is it literally perfectly reasonable for everyone else to make money off of the Kyle Rittenhouse story, but as soon as he does he's a total scumbag, when he probably doesn't have many other opportunities to make a living now.

    • @eyeam9305
      @eyeam9305 Před 2 lety +3

      I know when seder said that he was being incredibly hypocritical

    • @cwingnam
      @cwingnam Před 2 lety

      Also, it is his right to speak out and defend himself from media misinformation and should be encouraged by any sane person. Nobody want to be the next kyle rittenhouse, being ruined and villainise by the media.

    • @mekullag
      @mekullag Před 2 lety +1

      Do have an issue with people making money off the OJ case? Documentaries, podcasts, news articles etc.? I mostly think it‘s fine. But when I heard that OJ himself tried to get rich off the case by writing this “(if) I did it“ book, yeah I got pissed at that (he failed though, money went elsewhere). So to me it feels very natural to draw the line at “the killer“. Of course he was also a victim that night, but considering his own fault he should not be doing anything but keeping his head down and ask to be forgotten.
      He‘s a dumb kid who got himself into deep shit and had to kill people to get back out. The right celebrating him as some kind of hero for that is disgusting and if he willingly participates in it for financial benefit then so is he. We don‘t know if he does or doesn‘t have many other opportunities, but evidently half the country has decided to idolize him for being dumb, impressionable and armed, so there‘s gotta be a lot of conservative store owners who‘d still be willing to hire him right now.

    • @dustinschimmel9152
      @dustinschimmel9152 Před 2 lety

      Kyle's little victory parade he's been on is cringe but he deserves the money he's has/going to receive.

    • @kdoe85
      @kdoe85 Před 2 lety +3

      All the media appearances iv seen are just Kyle defending his character after being slandered in the media by dishonest people (like Sam).
      I dont think hes benifiting much financially for going on Tucker, or Charlie Kirks show.

  • @kloc4995
    @kloc4995 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Sam is delusional.

  • @danielsurvivor1372
    @danielsurvivor1372 Před rokem +2

    Average Soy Seder L
    Common Destiny W

  • @danielkrcmar5395
    @danielkrcmar5395 Před 2 lety +132

    "Wrongful death" is still downplaying the fact that it was in self-defence and has been decided at court that it was self-defence.

    • @HistoricaHungarica
      @HistoricaHungarica Před 2 lety

      And lynching black people in the 19th century was a-okay i guess.
      After all, the judges believed so.

    • @danielkrcmar5395
      @danielkrcmar5395 Před 2 lety

      @@HistoricaHungarica Absolutely irrelevant and a non-comparable.

    • @bbegins10
      @bbegins10 Před 2 lety +4

      He wouldn’t have been there, it was totally irresponsible of him.

    • @TheSundayShooter
      @TheSundayShooter Před 2 lety +39

      @@bbegins10 Nobody was supposed to be there after curfew

    • @dragames
      @dragames Před 2 lety +6

      it wasn't even ruled wrongful death. So he's actually telling a lie.

  • @demarcusmalarcus425
    @demarcusmalarcus425 Před rokem +142

    Sam actually makes a fair point 32:46

    • @dmon7056
      @dmon7056 Před rokem +4

      Thank ypu

    • @GeometryDashKenaz
      @GeometryDashKenaz Před rokem +4

      lmaooo

    • @andrenal3609
      @andrenal3609 Před rokem +5

      bruh i was choking on my pasta

    • @ts4gv
      @ts4gv Před rokem +1

      lmao

    • @adeptgopnik
      @adeptgopnik Před rokem

      he made a really fair point when he points out Destinys absolute lack of knowledge on C.U. the fact that he thought it was appropriate to say anyone else knows nothing about the case is laughable. This proved something Ive always thought about Destiny. He likes to just say people dont know about things to essentially put himself over them on said topic. All out of laziness and not wanting to actually learn a topic himself he will put someone else down to make it seem he knows all about it. Kind of scummy.

  • @petebagwell6666
    @petebagwell6666 Před rokem +2

    Only real lesson you can learn from the rittenhouse case is - dont run at a guy pointing a rifle at your face - especially when your 20 feet away

  • @cschulz9865
    @cschulz9865 Před rokem +1

    Hey Sam Seden, Rittenhouse was attacked for putting out a FIRE!!!! Good thing he had a gun!

  • @nunya2076
    @nunya2076 Před rokem +145

    The second he said he didn't watch the trial I knew I wouldn't be able take anything he said seriously. What a joke.

    • @theaviationist.5719
      @theaviationist.5719 Před rokem

      But the trial was irrelevant..
      The point they were arguing was not a legal or constitutional one. It was about Kyle turning up with a gun at a highly and emotionally charged riot. Tempers were very high but he drove for 20 minutes into another town with a gun.. That was stupid.
      That's like a Leftist turning up with a gun at the Right Wing Capitol Hill riot (amateuristic insurrection of January 6th). That would be a recipe for disaster.. It's better to stay away from such stuff and let the police or trained security personnel deal with such.. Trying to play superhero RAMBO or CHUCK NORRIS here to save the world is stupid..
      Isn't it?

    • @misssummersalt
      @misssummersalt Před rokem +3

      So you like to jump to conclusions. You do you Mr. Hop.

    • @madara211000
      @madara211000 Před rokem +36

      @@misssummersalt If you admit to not watching the trial which gave multiple angles and stills from the incident; AND, with the bicep guy admitting he pointed his gun at Kyle's head prior to Kyle shooting him, then it really does show that your opinions on this don't need to be taken seriously

    • @Gravioli.
      @Gravioli. Před rokem +32

      @@misssummersalt watching the trial means you actually know the facts as opposed to just what was on the media and your own feelings

    • @albertbecerra
      @albertbecerra Před rokem +13

      You honestly don't even have to watch the trial, just watch the literal footage of the incident.

  • @TwentyPercentDash
    @TwentyPercentDash Před 2 lety +7

    Destiny dominated this debate. Kyle only killed in self-defense.

    • @mr.negativenancy5751
      @mr.negativenancy5751 Před 2 lety

      You heard what you wanted. Sam doesn't think Kyle is a murderer. He thinks he's an asshole. Destiny thinks he's foolish. What a stupid debate tbh. Destiny pretending like he didn't say Sam would celebrate someone's getting shot.

    • @TwentyPercentDash
      @TwentyPercentDash Před 2 lety +1

      @@mr.negativenancy5751 - Sam repeatedly phrases his arguments against Kyle as if Kyle didn't kill in self-defense.

    • @mr.negativenancy5751
      @mr.negativenancy5751 Před 2 lety

      @@TwentyPercentDash For real? If you think Destiny cares about framing then you need to take a break. He totally misrepresented Sam, and it had a real impact on y'all

    • @TwentyPercentDash
      @TwentyPercentDash Před 2 lety

      @@mr.negativenancy5751 - We're not discussing whether Destiny "cares" about something. I'm saying Sam is framing the Kyle situation in a really dishonest way.

    • @mr.negativenancy5751
      @mr.negativenancy5751 Před 2 lety

      @@TwentyPercentDash No he's not dude. He just has a different perspective. Sam doesn't care about Rittenhouse. He probably talked more about Rittenhouse in this one debate than since the initial shooting happened. Sam doesn't cover small cases like this. I know it matters a lot to you, but no one needs to know the minutia. It's a waste time. Kyle killed two people and maimed another. It was legal. As someone who doesn't like AR-15's on the street, this is bad. I don't need details about what he was doing beyond showing up to a riot with a gun. That was idiotic of him to do.
      Sam cares about tort law and, as far as this case, gun control. It's not dishonest to not care.

  • @steviecummins7808
    @steviecummins7808 Před rokem +1

    It's simple here, he went in there to protect a friends building, had every right to do it, he was not an asshole, every video shown of him shows he was a nice guy, he brought the gun to protect himself, which he did and its been proven so, Sam is a lier

  • @hematadopormenos
    @hematadopormenos Před rokem +1

    The inbreeding quotient in this comment section is very high.

  • @Errorcodes2
    @Errorcodes2 Před 2 lety +48

    I really hope others realize how lame Sam Seder is after this

    • @NoahBodze
      @NoahBodze Před 2 lety +4

      Always did. He contributes to a kind of ethnic hatred others develop….

    • @TheReddaredevil223
      @TheReddaredevil223 Před 2 lety +3

      @@NoahBodze What ethnic hatred are you referring to exactly?

    • @TheFingledorf
      @TheFingledorf Před 2 lety

      @@TheReddaredevil223 Seder's Jewish

    • @googleisevil8958
      @googleisevil8958 Před 2 lety +5

      If you look at his channel, the people who like Seder cannot be reached. They are just too far gone.

    • @rolloutthebarrel
      @rolloutthebarrel Před 2 lety

      Lame? Lmao like the lame guy who kept beating the insane point that driving 20 minutes out of your way to another city is “protecting his community” and he can kill people in self defense even though his presence there is totally his choice? Now that’s lame af.
      OH and fyi small towns in WI are all very tribal, all the schools compete, there’s no real physical connection if you don’t live IN THAT CITY except if you make it up in your own head. Which he did, and so did you for propping this up as an acceptable reason for someone to go out of their way to show up with a gun and zero training, kill two people, claim it was “self defense” and then try to monetize it.
      He was found not guilty. Lucky him, now stop dancing in front of everyone in glee and show some goddamn remorse for killing people you psycho. Oh, no? You’re going to show up at CPAC? Oh you’re just an asshole.

  • @jf1341
    @jf1341 Před rokem +127

    Sam says his only issue is Rittenhouse monetization, then immediately brings up John Doyle giving showing his prejudice

    • @erica.7231
      @erica.7231 Před rokem +10

      I just think its funny he gets seder's undies in such a twist. He should stick to playing with crowder lol

    • @MrGohanwill
      @MrGohanwill Před rokem +12

      I mean I think he revealed his prejudice when he said he thought the kid was an a****le. Don't think he was trying to hide.

    • @jacksyoutubechannel4045
      @jacksyoutubechannel4045 Před rokem +13

      My favorite part is when he says, "John Doyle [...] is [...] a white nationalist, we know this," and then later says, "I don't know much about John Doyle." (@ 0:33:24 & @ 0:45:13)

    • @hughquigley5337
      @hughquigley5337 Před rokem

      @@jacksyoutubechannel4045 You don't have to know much about John Doyle to know that he is a white nationalist and a conservative Catholic.

    • @hughquigley5337
      @hughquigley5337 Před rokem

      @@MrGohanwill People who show up to civil unrest with a firearm are the biggest assholes. They're like walking, talking, aggression inciting assholes

  • @notapplicable__
    @notapplicable__ Před 10 měsíci +2

    Seder was born to a Jewish family in New York City, and raised in Worcester, Massachusetts, and is the oldest of three children.[2][3] His father, J. Robert Seder, is a well-known lawyer in Worcester. Seder earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Religious Studies from Connecticut College and enrolled at Boston University School of Law. He later dropped out to pursue a career in comedy.[

    • @lilben4184
      @lilben4184 Před 4 měsíci

      I'm honestly surprised that the powers that be haven't forced Wikipedia to torpedo the Early Life section. It exposes them every single time.

  • @pageek3487
    @pageek3487 Před rokem +2

    Once I read Destiny use to be a libertarian all his positions now make sence.

  • @bruhbruh-bn8jx
    @bruhbruh-bn8jx Před 2 lety +514

    Him going from calm and using passive language saying he didn't follow the trial to then get that heated and raise his voice defending his characterization of an event he admits he didn't follow the trail for is surreal to watch play out. It so clearly displays the word games he's playing whether he realizes he's playing them or not.

  • @pank3245
    @pank3245 Před 2 lety +25

    Bring back August; I have taken his timestamps for granted.

    • @bliss7470
      @bliss7470 Před 2 lety

      What happened to August?

    • @dawnwatching6382
      @dawnwatching6382 Před 2 lety

      @@bliss7470 the incident

    • @VerGiLL1
      @VerGiLL1 Před 2 lety

      @@dawnwatching6382 incident ? Plz do share with the class.

  • @_robinmc__-thesteve5380

    Sam Seder sounds kind of like Trump I just realized.