Niro pensioner compares 2nd hand Kia e-Niro 2020 range with Peugeot e2008
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- My first ever CZcams video. This e-Niro has been transformative for me. I discuss winter driving in Scotland for my pensioner lifestyle, mostly short local drives and how the actual range compares to the predicted range and how this car has eradicated the dreaded range anxiety that I had with both Nissan Leaf and Peugeot e2008.
Hello there. The first time I have come across your channel, and I like your style. I'm very sorry to hear of the loss of your wife. One day at a time. Anyway, I'm a 71 year old bloke who has had his first EV for nearly a year, and I'm very pleased with it. A 2016 Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh, it only has a maximum range of around 140 miles, but, like yours it is an honest assessment. Even in just a year, I seem to have taken a big hit in depreciation, but I am thinking of turning that into a positive, and going upmarket a bit to a Kia Niro such as you have. I am astonished how cheap my car has been to run. I have a running average of 4.8 mpkwh and with Octopus overnight electricity at 7.5ppkwh, it costs next to nothing to run. I don't think the Niro is quite as efficient, but it should still be cheap. Thank you for your very positive assessment of your car. Like you, I spend quite a lot of time on CZcams, and finding your channel has given me something else to look at. Many thanks, and keep buggering on, as Churchill would say.
Thanks for your kind comments. You are the first person to report significant battery degradation. I would be interested to know what your charging regime is like. The difference from the 30 kWh Nissan Leaf to a 64 kWk Niro is simply life changing. I used to drive the whole time with one eye on the battery level, now I don't even think about. There is nowhere that I go in normal usage that I can't do the return trip easily. I agree about the cost. I was just explaining to a neighbour yesterday that I used to put £120 a month in my diesel car, now it's about £20 of electricity and virtually no servicing costs.
I'm glad that you like my style. I am very aware that I am amateurish at best but I think I was just thinking of what to do with myself after the loss of my wife. There is no-one more surprised than me that my little video has had over 4000 views and I have had lovely comments from people all around the globe.
@@NiroPensioner I haven't been terribly clever with my charging regime. Because of the small battery, and the fact that I rarely have a clue what I'm doing the following day, I always charge it to 100%, so I've only got myself to blame if the battery is going south. That is one reason I'm looking at the 64kwh Niro. I can charge it to 80% and still get anywhere I could feasibly want to. I have to wait for the sale of a rental property to go through, though before I can afford it. Fingers crossed! I'll let you know how it goes. I might ask that Jonathan Porterfield fellow to bid at auction for me. He's a great advocate for the Niro. He's done some nice CZcams videos. Anyway, best wishes. Get the dog out for a walk. That always improves the day.
@@peterbunker7165 Thanks for your reply. I think definitely charging to 100% all of the time would affect battery life. Hope your sale goes through soon and you can upgrade to a larger battery.
So sorry to hear of your loss, looking forward to more videos
Thank you. I'll certainly be doing some more.
Thank you for an honest real world review
Thanks for your kind comment.
Great video, sorry to hear about your wife. I think the usage you've described is pretty typical for many people. 👌
Similar experience with Hyundai Kona EV 64kwh battery (same platform as e-nero) with 250mile range in winter and easily 300+ in summer (13 degrees C +) (overall average of 4.3 miles per kwh over 39000 miles in 2.5 years, but regularly over 5+ m/kwh in summer). Have tried many other EV's, but have been glad to get back in the Kona after a test drive, although the e-nero would be on my shopping list if I needed a slightly bigger boot and back seats.
I'm just returned from my first long trip for many years, I am looking at this car, you have helped my choice ev here I come
Good for you. I can't recommend the KIA highly enough.
5:47 Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence ...
Haha. Sure is as far as the horses are concerned.
Great informative video, sorry to hear about your wife. I've one of these with 140k kms on it now, its saved me bout €4k/yr ,they were ahead of their time & will be much sought after as they age. Keep them coming !!
Thanks for your kind comments. I have been blown away by the efficiency and economy of the KIA. It's a great car, if as I say, for me, a little boring. I will try to keep videos coming. It's a whole new world for me and I really enjoy it. I would never have believed that a little video by me would get 4k views and lovely comments from all around the globe.
I’ve had my Kia e-Niro for 2 years on lease now and love it. Thinking of keeping it I love it so much.
Thanks for your comment. Yes, insurance is becoming very expensive. My insurance went up by 50% this year. Off the top of my head it is now around £450 for the Niro. EV insurance is a little higher than for an equivalent ICE car but they are converging year on year.
My Kia Soul EV is rock solid on range. Can get to Bournemouth from Cheshire which is 230 miles in winter without charging and efficiency is excellent. Much better then my E208 where the range fell off a cliff in winter!
Thanks! Really useful to hear, currently trying to choose between a used Niro or Tesla Model 3. Your style of review feels far more useful than some of the more mainstream folks! So much more informative.
Thank you. I considered the Tesla too. I could have got a 2nd hand for about 7k more than the Niro but decided I couldn't justify the extra money. I'm glad now that I went for The e-Niro. I think if I was a high mileage driver I would have gone for the Tesla just for the charging network.
I have just bought my first EV and the e Niro 4+ was my choice, managed to get a 2021 just under three years old with only 5000 miles on the clock. I’m absolutely made up with it so far, charge once a week at home and very happy with the range. I’m planning to do some longer trips soon but will never plan to charge away from home or at a holiday cottage, otherwise we will use our other car a dirty diesel! This is first car with apple car play and only tried it today and again very impressed but hated the cable requirement and learned from you ( an OAP no offence) that you can get an dongle, so just ordered one and it will here tomorrow. FYI I have fitted today a frunk box, expensive but really good quality, with the intention of keeping both charging cables in it, the only disappointment is that it takes those with loads of space left but can’t think of thing else to put in there as yet, so a good problem 😂 it came with gas struts not fitted those yet but that will make access very easy. Thinking of getting a space saver wheel and jack, £100ish on eBay, what do you think? plenty of room under the boot floor. Looking forward to more stuff from you
Congratulations on the new channel, it's something I've been thinking about doing (but haven't progressed much beyond that) as I recently retired and wanted to try a few new things. How do you find the editing process? Finding your experiences fascinating, particularly having shared at least one myself, on leaving employment downgraded from a BMW 530e to a Peugeot 2008 to keep costs down and currently thinking about making the move to electric. Please keep creating, your perspective is virtually unique in this segment and I think you may find the potential audience is larger than you might expect. It would be interesting to hear what features you've found useful/useless in each of the vehicles you've driven.
Thanks. Well, I've just reached 100 subscribers which I am really happy with and they are all genuine, I haven't told family or friends that I'm doing it yet so the subscribers are all new to me. I do it for fun really and to try to share information. I started because I found that most of the reviewers on CZcams are considering different vehicle usage to me as a retiree. As you can probably tell, I am unrehearsed. I just start the camera and start talking.I enjoy the process of editing. I use a Mac so I use iMovie which is pretty easy. I tend to just cut the worst of my stuttering and stammering, add in the odd still and title. I like to keep it real. I'm not too worried about appearing slick. I'm glad that you like it though and I highly recommend giving it a go. Thanks again for your comments.
Thanks for such an inspiring video on the e-Niro and UK EV life. My wife and I are retired UK ex-pats living in California. I have been driving EVs for 10 years starting with a leased BMW i3 back in 2014. More recently we bought a Chevy Bolt in 2018 which my wife drives and I replaced my 2014 i3 with a 2013 Fiat 500e (60K on the clock for just $5000) which is great as a local runaround. My 2013 Fiat is probably a perfect testament to the expected longevity of EV batteries. The pack is at least 11 years old by now finding the Fiat average range is down to a little under 80 miles in ideal conditions and about 65 miles in very Hot/Cold times. Bear in mind that when new, the Fiat only had a typical range of 87 miles so I was pleasantly surprised. I'm expecting to see further degradation but it certainly is still a viable vehicle for local use. I was thinking of changing the Fiat out for a used e-Niro but also did a little research into battery replacement and was also pleasantly surprised.
The pack contains readily available standard Samsung modules: eleven 5S and seven 6S. Supposedly using the car's OBD port I should be able to determine individual battery module condition so I can isolate any of the more severely deteriorated ones and replace them at $150 each for the 6S and $110 for the 5S. The labour costs on top will be around $400-$500 to pull, replace and test the pack however a number of local community colleges with vehicle tech programs are desperately in search of work experience EV "project" cars to work on so I thought I might approach an instructor to see if there's interest if I supply a couple of each type of module.
That's really interesting and useful information. Thanks. I knew it was possible to replace individual cells but have never looked into the costs involved. Very useful indeed. I don't know but I guess that it may depend on whether degradation is general across all cells or specific to a few cells. As you say about your fiat 500e though, With my KIA, I can accept quite a bit of degradation before the vehicle would become unusable for me. Thanks again for the info.
Very interesting - refreshing to hear of your experiences. I look forward to your on going adventures!
Thank you for this video! I'm trying to choose between a used Kia e-Niro and Peugeot e2008 and this was very helpful.
I would certainly go for the Niro. I think the Peugeot has more kerb appeal, I thought it was a really stylish car but the Niro has much better range and is more efficient. The E-2008 as I pointed out in the video would never match up to the range it said on the dashboard. The Niro is always really accurate. Good luck with whatever you choose.
No contest e-Niro is quite possibly the sweet spot of all EVs for cost to purchase, driving range and equipment. We have one there is NO other car I would change it fir!
Very helpful thinking of buying my first EV. Thanks..
I have the same car - 2020 e-Niro. Owned for 6 months and it is absolutely fantastic!
Great, glad you agree. Thanks for watching.
May she rest in peace
Thank you.
I have had a Kia E-Niro 4+ now 3 years old after a Leaf 24KW for 5 years before that. Yes they are remarkable cars very comfortable and well made and a great drive train and battery which is same as the Hyundai cars. The Battery management system manages the batteries much better than the Leaf and others so that battery degradation, which is small as the battery does not overheat as it did in the Leaf, is compensated by the BMS within the Battery cache so range is not compromised. I charge mine to 80 % and once a month to 100% as this helps the BMS do its thing and the Guess O meter calibrates itself which is recommended in the manual. You are right you will get more miles in summer. Long journeys - the Charge place Scotland in Scotland and Gridserve chargers in England on motorways are expensive but pretty reliable on long journeys. Mine charges upto 77KW on some of the the rapids. One at A1 Grantham services is excellent with about 15 by 150KW chargers on my way from Newcastle to London.
For past 18 months I only charge at Tesla Auperchargers open to all on long journeys, they are reliable and I pay average 36p per kw I refuse to pay 85p for some of the other chargers.
Very helpful video. Many thanks
Thanks. I have just posted another today showing the real life driving statistics for the E-Niro if it's of any interest to you.
Great info. Great vid. Thanks!
Thanks. I'm going to be popping another one up today showing the real life consumption statistics which I think will make interesting watching.
The KIA and sister Hyundai EVs have very accurate GOMs 'Guess o Meters'
Both makes have a hidden 'buffer' of battery capacity you cannot see, it is very likely that at 3 years old your battery state of health will still be 100%. We drive from the Midlands, to the Welsh border, south to the Welsh valleys and back to the Midlands, 280 miles, we have 40 miles left and have no need to charge away from home at all
I've got the M.G long range. Now it's summer it sips the electrons. In winter i can take 100 miles off the range. 270 down to 170.
It's still a great car though.
Thanks for your comments. Yes, my daughter had an MG courtesy car and really liked it. I had similar issues with the Peugeot e-2008, the winter range was very poor. I have to say that though there is drop off in the e-Niro its not bad at all.
Very informative, thanks.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed.
Useful information, thanks.
You're welcome, glad you found it useful.
Sorry for your loss. 🙏 I enjoyed my 2019 Niro EV, I'm sure the Niro will do well for you.
Thank you. Yes, I'm really happy with the Niro.
I to have a Nero EV. It’s the same year as yours a mk2 and I’m also with Octopus Energy. I’ve the EV Tariff that gives you a 6 hour charge winds at night. It’s Intelligent Octopus Go. I don’t bother with the daytime charge as night is the cheapest. Don’t forget to put your Octopus energy referral link in your videos and get the shared £100. 😃😁
Thanks for your comment. Your experience seems to be similar to mine. I am planning a trip to the south soon and using the ABRP route planner it is proposing 5 stops for top ups the longest of which is about 25mins which suits me fine by the time I use the facilities, have a coffee and stretch my legs. Thanks also for your tip. I have used the Octopus link in another video but when I posted this, my first one, I had to go through further checks before CZcams would let me post links. I'll see if I can edit it.
Thanks 🙏
Thanks for watching. It helps to inspire me to do more.
It just seems like KIA are being honest about their car's specification in real world terms.
Absolutely, on paper both the Leaf and the e-2008 should have easily been adequate for my requirements but neither of them were without me stressing about getting home without charging. The e-Niro has been a game changer for me. I did consider trying to stretch my budget to get an early Tesla but I'm glad that I didn't.
At eighty seven I am finding the insurance costs are becoming rather steep, could you give an idea of the cost on the Nero.
Well done hope you get your charger sorted
Thanks. It;'s all sorted now.
Hi I have a 2021 eNiro with 63,000 miles on the clock and during Summer I get 300 miles plus. Ti have driven it from Scotland to Interlaken in Switzerland with no problems. Kia have a very accurate range meter what it says you can be safe in the miles shown.
Thank you. That's really good to know. For a number of reasons, I have not yet managed a really long range run with the eNiro but yesterday I put in a lot of miles of very mixed driving - motorway, urban and city centre and the range meter was absolutely spot on.
We have a two year old Soul with a 64kwh bttery and so far I cannot see any evidence of battery degradation. In warm weather it seems to think it will do 285miles on a full battery and about 230 - 40 in winter. The only thing i hanker after is a faster DC charging rate. It maxes out at 77kwh on motorway chargers. I tend to top up after about 100 -120 miles and it takes about 20 minutest to get back to 85%. But like you, most of my runs are local and we have our own AC charger so not really a major issue.
Thanks for your comment. My battery seems to be holding up well too. On long journeys the 100-120 miles between top ups would suit my bladder just fine and 20 mins is not too bad a bad time to allow for use of facilities, grab a coffee and stretch the legs.
Thank you as an American OAP I'm considering a next car. I'd like to go electric I live outside a beach resort in a semi rural area. Range becomes an issues. Most months I make a trip to visit with a friends about 70 miles away. Medical services here are somewhat thin on the ground and if I need something taken care of if its other than my Internist, (I still think of them as General Practitioners) and need to drive to a major city I need to go about 120 miles. I'd obviously want to recharge at that point but that would be ok. I love my gas powered Kia, and hope to keep it another 3 years but then I think I'll go electric. I have solar on our home so I can generate my own fuel that way. Again thanks this was a great video.
Thanks for your comments. It's good that you are considering all the pros and cons. The KIA will do the 140 mile roundtrip easily. It theoretically could do the 240 miles as well but I've yet to do that sort of trip myself. But so long as you have access to the charging infrastructure, you would easily be able to top it up enough while you were attending your health professional. I guess if you live at a beach resort, you won't be hampered by the low temperatures that I face here in Scotland. Wish you well with it.
Just seen this. Hope you're still enjoying the Niro, and now understand how the GOM works, and that you wont have lost any useable battery capacity. If you really want to geek out get an OBD dongle and Car Scanner and enjoy lots more data, including battery Stste of Health.
Thanks. I have purchased a car scanner dongle but haven't got around to trying it yet. That's something to look forward to.
Winter mode has absolutely zero impact above its trigger point whixh is something like -10 to -15C. So wouldnt worry about it!
Thanks for that information. I didn't know that there was a trigger point and now that you tell me, I'm surprised its set so low.
Keep it up! :)
Thanks. It's never occured to me to do one of these before but I was so pleased with the Niro I just got the urge. I know I've watched lots of videos of people usually comparing them to Teslas and trawling up and down motorways but I'm sure there are more people like me out there. Thanks for watching and for commenting.
It's so good to see someone in your age on this platform speaking like a human being to another human being not hurrying anywhere and not using fanci new words that are cool or mandatory nowadays. So again, keep it up! :)
😂 good luck too you
❤👏😊
Thanks. It was just a spur of the moment thing. I've never done anything like this before.
I had a 2022 Kia E-Niro on a two year business lease. Without doubt, the worst car I've ever had. I was relieved to get rid of it last month. Fairly good range in summer but be prepared to lose circa 30% of your range in cold weather. Though to be fair, a lot of that is a general commentary on EV's. Also, coming from a BMW X3 into a Kia E-Niro; it just felt cheap. I think EV's can work if you commute within charging distance from home but if you have to tap into the National charging network, then I wouldn't bother.
Interested to know what you replaced it with that's better than the brilliant e-Niro
A Volvo XC60
I bought a 2017 Niro Hybrid in 2020. Could not justify the difference in price between the same year HEV and the E version, being a pensioner as well. Been a great car so far, and quids in on running costs over the e-version, plus no hassle over charging. Do the maths, if you want to save money.
Although the initial purchase price is cheaper on the hybrid, I think the running costs on the EV win hands down if, as I do, you have cheap rate charging.