This is the VR performance I have always wanted | R7 7800 X3D & Pimax Crystal pushed to their limits
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2023
- A brutal real-world test of both the Ryzen 7800 X3D CPU & Pimax Crystal VR Headset, using a test system on loan from the Flight Sim specialists, Wired2Fire. Prepare for surprises!
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The 7800X3D is a beast of a CPU 😊 and can boost performance regardless of the VR headset your using. Note, - in the video I stated the OpenXR Toolkit over-rides the resolution of the Pimax software. This, I suspect was an incorrect statement if no upscaling option is selected.
I have same CPU and was left speechless... Unbelievable esp for the price!
I want to get one to replace my i9 10850k. Im hesitant as ive heard about stability issues with the Am5 platform. Can anyone confirm?@@airspeed_alive
It is great you have some cool new kit that gives you a great experience. A bit of feedback - and I find this more so with that @vrflightsimguy - the Pimax Crystal is completely out of the price range of most people, as is the 4090 and the 7800X3D. I admit to being a bit jealous, but I have a fairly high end setup so this comment isn’t born of pure jealousy! My point is just that it is deflating to see videos parading how great totally overpriced cutting edge equipment is. There are plenty of videos with people showing off their bonkers setups. Your great works are the ones where you give people knowledge and ideas they can employ in their day to day simming. I only say this because I love your content and I would hate to see this become like @vrflightsimguy who just goes on about how good his Pimax is.
@@eggsdooleyYou'll find happiness within you, not with objects of desire.
Once you've achieved that mindset, you'll be happy for those around you, no matter who operates what hardware.
Enjoy!
@@Bluth53 Thanks for the sage advice. I think you missed the point I was making, but sure - Namaste etc.
I recently purchased this system from Wired2Fire ( 7800X3D with RTX 4070Ti ). I'm not using VR yet but it's transformed 2D flight sim for me. Super smooth with excellent FPS.
Good one as always Mark. Thank you very much 🫶
Great video as usual thanks Mark.
That is excellent performance Mark! Our friend Sven will be proud of this one 😅 Interestingly, in comparison to my 13900k, I'm getting the same fps IF I use foveated rendering and my recommended resolution of 3500x4142, so that's very impressive. I do feel a locked 45fps feels smoother however, than higher values in the upper 60fps region, since you are at half the refresh rate of the headset. Great test as always take care.
How do you lock it to 45 FPS?
@@tp3293 thru GEFORCE software - 3D settings - there is an option to set Max Frame Rate
@@tp3293best all round tool for this is Rivatuner. If you have an Aero, use the synchronize function in Base
fovated rendering makes no sense when using the 4090 and the 7800 X3D. I don't use those settings at all.. smooth performance. Just had to be conservative with some in game settings like antialiasing (texture supersampling) and anisotropic filtering..
Found the answer to locking to 45FPS, it's a tick box option in PimaxXR (Lock to half frame rate)
Mark, another great video.
Thanks buddy. 👍
havent watched this yet...but ive been waiting for it! lol
Great to see the Ryzen 7 series getting some positive real world reviews in MSFS, having watched your earlier video with Dan I also took the decision to go with AMD and for anyone who can't quite stretch to this budget I can highly recommend that the next level down is just as impressive, I'm running a Ryzen 7700X, Asus Tuf Gaming 650 Plus with 32G of 5600 Vengance RAM, Corsair RM850x and if you already have a 24G 3090 as I did save that from your old system and you can save even more and still have a card that will trade blows with a 4070 all day long, yes that means the loss of DLSS3 but that's not a huge trade off, inc case, AiO and few other bits, but transferring all my M.2 SSD and mech drives I was able to come in at a shade under £1k and compared to my 7th Gen i9 every penny has been well spent, thanks for another great video Mark!
Thanks Mark, I have been pondering this for a few months now Intel v AMD, I had AMD many years back, planning to keep my 10700k as an "office" setup with my old 2080ti and go for a new build with my current 3090 in it, I have a HP Reverb 2 headset, but I do get eyestrain, even with precription lenses, and use a monitor more TBH. I have a full racing set up but also flight sim a lot, so you have managed to answer most of my questions I have been looking at. Keep up the good work, us older guys need to keep things ticking over ;)
Great video Mark. I have just built a R7 7800X3D with a 4090, I can't make my mind up on the Crystal with the negatives comments, I guess I should just order one and find out for myself.
i have the same system with the crystal. wow. buy the crystal steve
I just upgraded from a first-gen I7 with 24GB RAM! DDR3 3GHz
and now it's another story with a Ryzen 9 7900X3D with 64GB RAM!
nice video... I've had this setup since early April. Can't be more satisfied for the $. You're right in that MSFS is cpu limited. cpu prices being where they are relative gpu's. I will be upgrading cpu's someday when they come out with something faster. However as of today, this combination is still king of the hill for MSFS. Probably won't be anything faster in gpu's for another 15-18 months. I am jealous and still waiting for my pimax crystal to arrive... Have you ever looked into motion rigs? I just put together dof h3 and so far am impressed. Should be much better using VR from what I hear.
I got a 7900x with my 4090 just in case the 7800x3d proved a worthy upgrade one day, and paired with the Crystal it looks like my next hop up. Thanks mate for doing these videos, they are invaluable
Just got Crystal for my 4090 and 7800x3D and higly recomend it, everything running smooth and visuals are perfect.
My last AMD system was a 5x86-133 from 1997. Intel ever since until 7800X3D. It’s an amazing CPU.
Hi Mark.. any chance you could do some DCS? I love your thorough approach to your videos! (Pretty please?)
Just about to start putting together my 7800x3d build today, upgrading from a 9700K. Pretty dam keen to see how much better it makes my 1.75 supersampling experience on the 8KX! Fingers crossed it’s similar to your experience in this video. 🤞🏻😅 edit: and yes, before anyone comments, I am still heavily CPU limited, even at this crazy high resolution lol.
Amazing video Mark! You promised and you deliver 👍 I was waiting for this video 😊. Thanks for the tipp about deactivating the AMD in board GPU! I need to do this!
One question, are your Nvidia panel control settings all on standard? Or do you have tweaked something? Many thanks 🙏
I have quality AMD power management on high performance
Awesome results Mark. I’m jealous for sure LOL
Spend my budget on the DOF P3. Need to do some extra savings for the Crystal and a new PC setup. My feeling is, knowing I got the 3090 for the insane stupid price 2 years ago of 2500,-Euros, I got to skip the 40 series. The good old G2 will need to keep it up for a while longer I’m afraid.
It always comes down to the choices we gotta make.
Great results though and who knows how the Intel 14th one does for you as well.
Can’t wait to see that followup video ;)
congrats on your dof p3. I just put together dof h3. Have you found a good way to limit jarring movements from crashes & inaccurate telemetry other than increasing smoothing? I don't want to wreck the new rig. I've listened to Jeff Weaver and others. Not much out there for tuned msfs profiles. Sounds like I'll have to tune every jet/plane I fly in msfs. Unless you can shed some light as to where tuned profiles can be found. thanks
Oh, it seems my i7 13700k has to find a new home. Thanks,Mark! This was amazing. Greetings from Norway 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
That's a whole system change Shark. You might as well wait for the 14xxx series (intel) or the 8,000 series (Amd).
Ah. I see. I didn't think about that. I would need an AMD compatible motherboard, right ? But the 8000 series will be compatible? Different socket ? Thanks for commenting, buddy! @@claudest-gelais8456
@@claudest-gelais8456last I heard 14th gen intel won’t be compatible with current motherboards so either way, end of the road for that system with any cpu upgrade
@@funwithcars4982 That's basically what I said😏
Time flies. Feels like recently I built my 10900K system but it must be almost three years now.
I know exactly how you feel….
I'm upgrading to the same CPU/GPU combo with the Quest Pro. I will have it set to 72hz and am hoping I'll get a consistent 72fps since the quest pro looks great IMO but will have a lower resolution making it a little less demanding in resolution.
I have the 7950X3D absolutely love it
Great tips in regards to disabling the onboard AMD graphics (which I've done). I had no idea about the motion smoothing though and I'll have to try that once I get my headset working again. Currently the pimax software refuses to even detect it.
Also, can I ask what version of pimax play you're using?
It’s an unreleased beta at the moment.
I'd like to see the performance for X-Plane 11 and X-Plane 12 with that configuration.
Hi Mark would like to get your help. Using Pimax Crystal Did you experience foggy view during dark night flight, especially with minimum city light or cockpit lights, ive tried several combination in settings still exist, not only in MSFS but also DCS. Thx
I want you to test it full traffic in Kord o here or New York , because without traffic all cpu are a monster.
I already have the gear...just need to do the build..looking forward to the results. Gonna need a pc with oomph just ordered a 6DOF flight sim rig 😜
Which DOF system did you go with? I've got a Yaw VR on order, but probably won't see it, if ever in the near future. Just put together a almost identical system with same mother board and CPU but with a 4070Ti, just couldn't swallow a 4090 right now. But glad to see what performance I could get with a 4090 upgrade in this video.
I just put together dof h3. happy with it.
Great as always! One question-if you’re not overriding resolution, and the Pimax software is set to balanced, doesn’t that mean it will output at lower resolution?
As far as I can tell that's the case. You need to set it to maximum to have the full resolution. I'm curious to see what his fps would be with the same settings and having it to maximum quality.
Good question. Not in my experience. I have tried at max setting, no change in results. I can only assume OpenXR toolkit is overwriting any Pimax setting.
Thanks for a great review! I‘m expecting almost the same system in a couple of days 🤩 could you specify what you mean @5:24, something with AMD and flashing? Kind regards and thanks for the excellent content!
If your motherboard has integrated GPU you should disable this in your BIOS if using Pimax Crystal
For dual use workstation and flight sim - don’t forget about the 7900X3D and 7950X3D. The 14900K will be priced like the 7950X3D.
7800X3D is better, because all core on 3DVCache . Not the case for the one you are talking about (AMD)
Please I need to know if the 7800 works fluidly with the following applications at the same time: FS 2020, Fenix 320, navigraph, ivao, Fstl and Chrome, I am about to buy.
What exactly to set in bios? Can you make a video about this?
I also have always been an Intel guy but six months ago I bought a Ryzen 9 7950x with the PNY 4090 by Ek Fluid Gaming. Let me say I'll never go back
Thoughts on substituting an RTX 4070 Ti and Meta Quest 3 for those with a sub £3k budget overall? With VR is a joystick and pedals (Thrustmaster T.flight Hotas X and pedals) better than simply using the motion controllers? Part of the attraction of the Quest 3 for me is being able to have the PC remote from where I'm sitting using visual desktop I believe? How does the VR experience compare to a triple screen setup? I'm feeling that VR is now seen as the experience of choice and with the coming 55 PPD headsets and new lens tech from Meta coming VR is very much the direction of travel for gaming generally?
Mark, in the pimaxxr control panel, tick the prefer fps over latency and and lock to half frame rate (this will give you motion smoothing locked at 45 fps but doesn't have any issues like using the pimax software. I found with these settings, it is butter smooth and I could actually push resolution right up to 4700x (higher than native) in dlss quality. Try it out. Locked at 45 but the clarity is insanely good in and out of the cockpit. Oh and also use CAS at 60% sharpening.
Yes I did similar in one of my earlier Pimax videos. Locked frame rate is great, but in this video I was just trying to demo the sheer grunt of the 7800X3D 😊…will try that 4700 though…wow
@@SimHangerFSit seems to be more than just locking the fps to 45. The smoothness is definitely creating a motion smoothing like asw but without the artifacts. It definitely works right now. The important thing is where you enable it. Don't enable it in the main pimax software. Only those two tick boxed in the pimax xr control panel. (similar to the open xr toolkit interface). Enjoy 4700 resolution in dlss quality with Cas 60! You might take a bit of fps strain in places like London but in the average scenery areas you will be amazed at the clarity coupled with smoothness. Can't wait for DFR with the 7800x3d. Hoping that will give a bigger boost than your previous video showed. Maybe test DFR again with this cpu? Would be nice to see if there is a bigger change or not.
@@darrenabrahams5499 Thanks, I'll give it a go 😄
Hi, do you recommend the 14900k over the 7800x3d?
Por favor, necesito saber si el 7800 funciona fluidamente con las siguientes aplicaciones al mismo tiempo: FS 2020, Fenix 320, navigraph, ivao, Fstl y Chrome, estoy a punto de comprar.
Pimax wont be here until September early October, but we have a similar setup, 7900x3D/MSI Suprim LC 4090 DDR5 6400 64GB. So i'll pretty much match this setup.
I actually check smart smoothing on and also set lock to half frame rate in the pimaxxr settings. That enables motion reprojection at 45 fps with little artifacts. So smooth.
The Pimax smart smoothing is not functional, but PimaxVR locked frame rate overrides this setting. Uncheck in Pimax software and you’ll get a better experience. 👍
Without smart smoothing it is fuzzy when you look at things moving past out the side of the plane even at 45 fps fixed.
@@SimHangerFS I tried disabling as it was suggested everywhere but without it motion reprojection doesn't kick in. Enabled it works great as long as the fps stays above 45. If it goes lower there are some graphical issues.
The AMD x3D CPUs really are great in MSFS. However I'm a bit confused by the reported render scaling at the 6:34 mark. If you look at the numbers in the line under TA, it shows rendering resolution as 3234 x 3826, not the native res of 4315 x 5100. If you had resolution override off in the Toolkit and yet had resolution set to balanced in the Pimax client, that would account for it. I have a 5800x3D and a 4090 and with the resolution set to max in the Client and no override in the Toolkit, TAA mode render scaling reports the full resolution. With that setting and slightly higher settings than yours in MSFS, I get around 40fps. If I then use DLSS Quality instead of TAA, I get 60fps in rural areas.
You Sir, may well be right, I will check it out. Looks like the OpenXR toolkit is not overriding the resolution? I didn’t pick up on that. Thanks.
Nice video but I'm surprised you didn't know this before. It's been commonly known that these are the best chips for MSFS since the 5800x3d
Can i ask why you asked for the ASUS motherboard upgrade?
Mark, you have the option to check the eye tracking and auto ipd. On my Pimax Play Client i haven't this option. Do you work with a beta version?
Yes I’m using a yet to be released beta version…due out in circa two weeks I’m told.
Great Video, are you running DX11 or 12?
In this video I was using DX11
Try the 13900 KS, watercooled with 64 GB ram, same performance but with a HP reverb 2.
Good video Mark. I don't know much about AMD but wouldn't the 7950X3D be the exact chip you want, all the extra cache for MSFS performance, but the extra cores as well for video encoding? Wouldn't that be the best option overall?
You may well be right! 😊
The 7950X3D does have twice as many cores but to get the 3D cache to work on it you have to shut down or park half of the CPU cores to idle as only half of the processor has the 3D V cache available to it which means for gaming the 7950X3D is basically the same processor as the 7800X3D as uses the same amount of cores when gaming but the 7800X3D does not have to be adjusted as the 3D Vcache is available to all the cores and is more efficient at using the 3D cache because of this. BUT if you do use your system for a lot of rendering and video content creation those extra cores are usefull for making and rendering your content much faster then the 7800X3D.
So if you are solely a gamer then the 7800X3d is the best choice but if you use your system for gaming and content creation 3d rendering then the 7950X3D might be an option for you.
@@nemisis_wolf that's interesting information. When you describe parking half the cores, does that have to be done manually by the user, or it shuts them down automatically? It would be very annoying to have to remember to disable your cores before flying and then to reenable them again when you want to video encode...
@@nemisis_wolf also interested in your comment as just got a 7950x3d with a 4090 - when you say configuring the cores for MSFS - am being told you can either install the latest AMD chipset drivers (so its done automatically?) or use something like process lasso to set all the cores up correctly - what do you recommend and how can you tell if its all working correctly? (note reason I went for the 7950x3d was because I often run other 3rd party stuff when using my MSFS - so in theory can use some of the other cores for this)
@@gmac2493 in my opinion always best to run latest chipset drivers to get the best out of any motherboard.
MSFS is am XBox title so running MSFS and having the CPU automatically identify it and automatically parking the cores should be the easiest way for that particular Sim
If you use other programs as most of us do while in flight sims they should get the use of the other cores from what I'm led to believe.
To check it's working is easy CTRL, ALT and DELETE, select task manager, then select performance tab, then select CPU on the left at the bottom click open resource monitor! You'll now be shown a screen showing what cores are busy and which ones aren't.
Hope this helps
This makes me want to return the discounted HP Reverb G2 I just got a couple of weeks ago… I’ve used it for a few flights with my 5800X3D and RTX 4080 and the 3D effect is great but the blurry view outside the sweet spot with 1440p-like resolution is not ideal, compared to the 4K sharpness I’m used to on my 65” OLED. On the other hand, the price is very reasonable to me, I’m not sure I’d be using VR enough to justify a headset that’s 3 times more expensive.
Is it possible to also use the Pimax with my PC specs at full resolution and very high detail settings in MSFS or do you need to dial it down a lot from the settings used on the Reverb?
Is VR now usable full time on Pimax, or at least much longer than with the G2? I found it pretty tiring and I was done after a couple of hours straight, whereas on my 4K TV I have no fatigue. Help me make the decision, if I should just put off VR some more and wait to buy the Pimax and potentially have to upgrade my system, or if a G2 at a 30% discount and 5800X3D/4080 is still a great VR experience in MSFS and Elite once you dial the settings right.
Stick with the G2. Upgrade costs outweigh any benefit in my opinion.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks. Oh and after adding the Pimax to the basket I see total cost is actually 4x the G2…
I've no 7800X3D or Pimax Crystal, but I DO have a 5800X3D and an Asus TUF 4090 OC. The 4090 was bought specifically for VR, as I didn't think my trusty 3080-10Gb would handle it. But I've decided not to go to VR until the Crystal is a bit more mature. I've read about some problems it sometimes encounters. So, Mark, what would be your recommendation on the timing of the Crystal purchase -- start trying to get one now or wait 6-12 months?
Software and some features are not available yet, with no defined date given yet I would wait!
You are the CZcams authority whom I trust the most. Thanks for that extremely useful answer!@@SimHangerFS
Great video, thanks. I have the same setup except i have 7900x. Do you know if i switch to 7800x3d how much real gain i would get. I am just thinking if it would be worth it or i should waiy for msfs 24 and see how my cpu would work then
I would wait, gain would be circa 10%…just an estimate though.
@@SimHangerFS ok thanks
Which CPU did you decide on?
@7:20 if you're CPU limited how would DLSS or FFR give you another 10 frames? Isn't TAA, DLSS and FFR to do with the GPU not CPU?
DLSS is GPU based but still requires calls from the cpu, plus FFR reduces the raw or native overall render size thus less pressure on CPU 😊
@@SimHangerFSI’m not sure you’re actually at native resolution, hence the CPU limit. But when CPU limited like this, the 7800X3D/7950X3D is absolutely the best.
Apart from being reasonable or not, will an upgrade from a 7700X to a 7800X3D be increasing Performance with a 4090 and Crystal in any noticeable way in MSFS? Or is the 7700X already saturating the GPU at this high resolution?
Absolutely, as mentioned in my reply I'm now running a 7700X with my 3090 and it's had a new lease of life since moving it over from my old 7th Gen i9 machine
It’s amazing how still in this day an age people will not impulse buy an amd product. Considering the 5800x3d improvement that occurred with time I’d wouldn’t be surprised if the 7800x3d doesn’t have an additional 10% in the tank.
Not much point in testing a system to the limited without being at a big payware airport and full of aircraft. Somewhere like Inibuild with FSLTL injector.
If you need more cores 7950X3D has twice as many. Good for rendering.
i just built my new gaming pc with a Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900K intel(R) UHD Graphics 770 NVidia GTX 4090 graphics card and a MSI MPG Z790 EDGE WIFI LGA1700 Motherboard am loving the vr flight sim now every think is up on ultra all the traffic on full and am getting no stutters no freezes i do recommend the 4090 and the Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900K intel(R) UHD Graphics 770 NVidia GTX 4090 graphics card smooth as anything the msfs is and the fps is amazing
I’ve just done the same 👍
Wow the gtx 4090
Can you do the same with the hp reverb g2
Results are similar, due to cpu single core limitations.
Can anyone point me in the direction of a review that compares the fps of this cpu to the top of the line Intel in msfs and racing sims? 🙏
Check my referenced video. Link in the notes below the vid.
Nice one Mark, very interesting. As I have a 13900K anyway I'm happy to wait for MSFS 2024, I suspect it might switch around as the 7800X3D doesn't have as many cores. In either case MSFS 2024 promises to offer much better performance for the same level of graphical fidelity and to be honest the combination of a 13900K + RTX 4090 isn't too bad either! 😄
Games will never take advantage of that many cores. It's just not how they work. Even 2024 which will be optimized for multithreading from the start, the 'main thread' of the game will always be the dominant factor, and it will always benefit from clock speed and cache.
@@jimmy8x541. I can see where you are coming from. Of course the goal is to reduce the main thread and practically how many cores are needed for that I'm not sure, we know MSFS presently only supports 4 cores. MSFS is simulating many systems though, not just the planes, so there is far more scope to use CPU cores than traditional games. Forget the DCS comparison too, there's so much more going on in MSFS, that's not a good comparison. I guess we'll see how MSFS 2024 does eventually and if more than 8 cores actually give a better performance, you are probably right though. Thanks for replying.
@@dtrjones I think the most important factor to consider when estimating how many cores MSFS 2024 may be optimised for, would be the fact that, like MSFS 2020, MSFS 2024 will almost certainly be getting a release on XBox consoles, and hence, I'd be betting that we'll see minimal multi-core performance gains on any CPU with more than 8 main cores, 16 threads. But time will tell.
Would the 7950X3D add any fps?
I don’t believe so.
We need to do some more indepth testing but I think you wouldn't see a huge difference unless you're creating content in the background. Streaming, recording and so on. As the cache is only on 1 of CCD packages you both only have 8 Cores with extra cache.
I just ordered a 7950x3d
Pete, are you having that with a side of fries and a rtx4090? Just kidding mate, good luck and cheers.
@@tomc1380 yeah, 4090 and 64 gig ram.
Have you made the final decision? :D
And here I was thinking pimax is vapor ware. It must be their weird marketing.
Flight simulator 2024 , i wish it's available for winter 2024 🎉🤩🤩🤩 i want to be alpha tester as msfs 2020 in april 2019 😊
as an alaskan, im obligated to tell you it's pronounced val-deez (no joke)
Thanks…had a feeling I got it wrong 🤣
AMD is the king in CPU's and that will only get about +20% even faster with the next gen ZEN5 cpu's. Intel can only throw more and more power to their CPU's because they are still on ancient fab sizes that they can't produce like TSMC does. If you can't beat them join them and that was and still is the best choice what AMD ever made what will be Intel downfall if they keep delaying what need to be done. I knew it that top AMD X3D CPU with top RTX 4090 would create the best that would be the absulute best. Thanks for showing what my gut was saying to be true and made it real. Great system specs with top X670P and 6000Mhz DDR5 what is the best combo. Wise choices that show
Thought you might enjoy this vid 🎉😂
I don't understand this at all. I have the Asus 4090 with ryzen 7 7800x3d, and it is a cpu bound stutter fest on full res on quest 3.
I've tried so many things, I'm about to chuck in the towel.
Use DX11 and turn down traffic and your LOD graphic settings.
@@SimHangerFS Tried LOD, TLOD and all settings. Got one more trick up my sleeve to try tomorrow. If that doesn't work, I'm stuffed. Been searching for a fix for weeks. Spoke to tech support, forums etc, and nothing fixes it.
The game when behaving is so gorgous, all I ask is for smooth simming at even 36fps locked is fine for me.
BTW.....what global settings and program settings you altered if any? And what's your power management mode on?
Lots of folks advised turning HAGS off. But that didn't work for me, and gave me microstuters. Turning it on gave smooth non microstutter play, but it's now been replaced by larger rubberbanding. Where scenery snaps back and forth quickly, every 7-10 seconds.
I so wish I had what you've achieved.
@@SimHangerFS DX11 on the pc settings side? Does that then translate to the VR side upon switching?
If that's the case, what do you have your pc settings on in sim? Do you locknthem both identical or?
@@andyakarudolfhessiansack7936 Yes on the PC side. This carries over to VR. No option to set DX on VR.
Intel man? Please. Intel is the underdog now.
sorry 7800X3D or 7900X
My thoughts are you shouldn't wait too long before deciding because you look terrifically old.
😂
AMD is better for flight simulator, this is old news
Great review 👍 and an amazing pc system. Unfortunatley an order and delivery to germany would cost a lot of tax plus 🙈🫣. How long did you need for installing all programs on your new pc ? Would be interesting to know for my next installing process. Thank you very much for your great videos and have a good time and happy flight 🛫😃✌️
Took me about a day and night….I have loads of add-ons 🤣 thank goodness for fibre broadband!