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WOW! I've never seen anyone make a video like this, especially on a movie reaction channel! Very informative indeed! This guy's channel is HUGE!
Yes he has over a million subscribers so he is definitely doing many things right! 👍
@@HonestMovieReactions It makes me happy because it's shows your not just reacting for the sake of it you really care about the history behind it.
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This is where I put in a plug for Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. Probably the best historical naval movie that’s been made in a very long time. It’s got a great cast & if you enjoyed this video, he did one for Master and Commander as well. Spoiler-He loved the movie as much as most of us history buffs..
Oh really? I haven't seen any movie like that yet. Sounds interesting.
@@HonestMovieReactions It's a great movie!!!!! You'll love it!
I didn't know about his channel till I saw your video on Patreon and I've checked out a few of his videos now. He seems to be a historian and he is very well spoken. Good that you saw his video Che and got to learn more about these things. It's cool that you actually want to know the real history about these movies and what they represent! Good on you! haha
So true!
Thank you my dear Bob. Yes I love learning about the real history of these events 😊
Frost was a humble man and excellent combat leader. Aside from Arnhem, he is well known as the officer in command on the ground at Bruneval (a successful high-risk raid to capture pieces of a German radar for scientific examination back in Britain).
My mother and father were in the War, and I was hugely into history stuff like this in the 70s. Market Garden / Bridge Too Far / Hell's Highway was one of my passions. This brought me back to many days pouring over maps and history articles when I was a teen. It was nice to watch. Thank you, and thanks to History Buffs. They have an interesting channel.
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History Buffs seems to really know his history! Great educational video for sure! 👍
Yes it is. I watch history buff most days.
It is 8:15 am where I'm at. I just woke up. What are you doing? Great movie
Not in this case, I don't even think he mentions Brereton or the fact it was Gavin's failure that caused the operation failure.
The biggest question on the whole operation was why was Gavin told to prioritise the Groosebeck Heights over Nijmegen bridge. The British landed 8 miles from their target but still made the bridge securing the north end. The 82nd in the centre were too slow in advancing on a relatively undefended Nijmegen bridge. The question that puzzles historians is,if Gavin had secured the bridge and 30 corps had crossed it rather than fight to take it, would they have made it to Arnhem on time? Also many historians now doubt Boy Browning made the statement ' we tried to go a bridge too far.'
History Buffs has some good videos for sure. But people usually debate his accuracy too! 😂😂
Oh really? I only saw this video because I do not want to spoil any future movies I watch. He seems so knowledgeable!
History Buffs is pretty damned good, but just like the makers of the A Bridge Too Far, History Buffs is not really using the latest historical information that we have about Market Garden. In particular, the failure of the 82nd Airborne division to fully secure both ends of the bridge at Nijmegen as soon as possible is now known to have been a huge oversight by both the commander of that unit and General Browning. So this video of History Buffs is great, but not 100 percent thorough in looking at the inaccuracies of the movie. 🖖✌
@@iKvetch558 ... We are also missing the history of "The Battle of the Bulge" (Churchill claimed American's greatest territory hold battle), Bridge at Remagen weeks before Montgomery's "Operation Plunder" to eventually cross the Rhine or on the need for the Western Allies rush to Berlin to end the war operations had to be done.
@@lawrencejelsma8118 True...but I was just giving one example from this video why people critique History Buffs...the fact that he does not seem to be fully versed in the latest findings about the history. Since this particular video is focused only on Market Garden, and specifically A Bridge Too Far's portrayal of it, you would not expect it to cover the events of other battles. 🖖✌
@@iKvetch558 ... I know! Germany was more concerned about making one last thrust deep into Europe outside of Germany (the Rhine river being the border to Germany) and I'm not so sure, historically, how much Germany used in its "defense resources" before it was going to make its great push into Europe and split the allies later in winter with its latest tank superior Panzers. The Battle of the Bulge followed just a few months of this failed allied crossing the Rhine too early ambitions we know following World War II - September of 1944 to later March of 1945 battles in our history books.
I absolutely love the desire you have To learn the facts of these battles of World War II. Not a lot of people go in depth to find out what actually happened. I love to do research about World War II and other events throughout history. You’re amazing. Respect.
Thank you Bradly 😊👍. Yes, I know I am just a humble 'movie reactor', but as a real person, I do love learning about the world. History, geography etc. I love learning about cultures and why we are the way we are today.
I am so happy some of my Patreon members recommended History Buffs video to me, because I have very limited time in my life now, due to my full time job, my family, this channel and my patreon. So I was very keen to learn more about the actual history behind the movies I have watched, and this video did just that! I am happy to share it with all of you.
I know History Buff has 1.3 million subs, and he doesn't need me sending him traffic of new views, but that wasn't the point of this video 😊
Well Ukraine is a problem?
Itsit a problem
I don't know well?
For more on this part of the war (and the VC) I strongly recommend the documentary "The Victoria Cross: For Valour" presented by Jeremy Clarkson. It's on CZcams (there are a few copies).
I see. Thanks Jamie 👍
I second this - not only is the coverage of the VC interesting but the main example he uses comes from the fighting at the bridge in question.
History buffs is an amazing channel Nick love history as much as he loves the movies and film making, and he is passionate about all of them ... and thats what makes for a brilliant content ... i highly recommend any other videos he did ... especially after you watch a movie of the genre and like it, even if u watch it on your own in your spare time
Thanks Martin 😊. Yes I really enjoyed his video. I will definitely watch other videos of his, once I have watched the relevant movie, since I do not want any spoilers 😊
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In this case History Buffs gets a bit wrong.
Monty didn't plan or run operation Market Garden, it was planned and ran by Gen. L. Brereton USAAF of the First Allied Airborne Army.
The movie, although a great war movie doesn't cover what really happened in the operation. Even going to the extent of not saying the major factor it failed, Gavin and the 82nd NOT taking Nijmegen bridge on time. Also trying to blame XXX Corps for taking their time, when they actually arrived at Nijmegen SIX HOURS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, just to find out Gavin HADN'T TAKEN THE BRIDGE.
So don't take all what you're watching here as true.
Cornelius Ryan had a hatred towards Monty, and this is why he was implemented into the movie
I really enjoyed your thoughtful and interesting comments.
Glad you enjoyed my dear 😊
Lawrence of Arabia , one of the greatest films in cinema, would be a great historical period film to react to.
It has been mentioned to my by several of my patreon members as well. I hope to see it some day for sure 😊
I second that. I tell people Lawrence of Arabia is like 2 movies in a one- a historical WWI drama, or if you want it to be, the most rip-roaring adventure story you could imagine.
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True story- on October 30, 2020 I watched A Bridge Too Far for the first time. I don't remember what brought that movie to my attention, but somehow I had found out that Sir Sean Connery was in it (I follow a number of James Bond-related channels) and I felt compelled to watch him in one of his mid-career roles. I remember being really impressed at how he completely shed his iconic image and "disappeared" into his role as a British officer. The very next morning I woke up to the news he had passed away.
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I've seen only 1 video from History Buffs before where he rips Braveheart a new one! 😂👍
Oh really? Well I won't watch anymore of his videos until I have actually seen the movies myself. I don't want any spoilers
My Uncle was a member of the 101st Airborne and survived this battle!
I am so glad that you are up on your history to be able to put this into perspective. It is great to see a younger person who is very interested in history. Blessings to you Che.
You are most welcome dear Shawn 😊. I really enjoy learning more, since it gives context to the films I've been watching as well. Always good to know the real deal.
I'm suprised I've never seen this movie. I am going to watch it first before I watch your reaction. ✌
It's definitely worth a watch Indrid Cold! 👍
I also subscribe to this channel, and am glad that you are trying to understand the history.
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Glad you found history buffs!
I am glad too. Some of my Patreon members suggested this to me and it was amazing! I hope to watch more of his content, when I have seen the relevant movies.
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Yes! Good point. I was actually going to check out his Tombstone video and Saving Private Ryan as well 😊
Brilliant addition to your reaction videos. Some directors try very hard to get it right (RA Gandhi is also well researched and incredibly well made... Hence best picture win). Some go over the top, bordering on propaganda, some go for the feels and get it wrong. Some, like Spielberg, Francis Ford Copula, and Gibson, try to show the grit, the grime, the gore, wholesale slaughter of war, which has a massive impact in and of itself. There are mistakes in the remake of Dunkirk, for example. A really good movie, but not overly accurate with the evacuation. I love the extras as I deeply respect movie makers (even when they get it wrong), as so much goes into the making, and all departments deserve credit. For example, a few critics didn't like a particular scene (no spoilers) in Spielberg's masterpiece, Schindler's List, yet it's based in fact, and the critics got it wrong. Thanks again. A really great share.
You are most welcome Steve and I am glad you enjoyed the video. I found it fascinating to learn the different from the movie, vs real life events.
Sorry Che, I've seen this documentary before and as Lyndon CMP says, it has a lot of inaccuracies in the documentary. In fact, in general tone I find it more biased than the actual movie in many ways. At least I can watch the movie again and again and enjoy the marvellous script by William Goldman and the performances of so many star actors, but History Buffs, on this subject, is very mainstream in its approach to Market Garden.
One of the things I find extraordinary is the attitude to Montgomery's absence. His Chief of Staff was sick, so he was doing two jobs, but he was also 21st Army Group commander, with both 1st Canadian and 2nd British Army under his command. This operation did not involve the Canadians, apart from some engineer companies that were attached. So the most senior British officer involved was 2nd Army commander General Miles Dempsey, who had Horrocks' XXX Corps under command, as well as the flanking VIII and XII Corps, and the attached 1st British Airborne Corps (Browning). Dempsey was there, in reality, he made several visits to the front lines, but he wasn't in the movie. It was Dempsey that took the decision to withdraw 1st Airborne Division (Urquhart), not Montgomery or Browning, although I think Browning was at the meeting along with Horrocks. That's one point.
Second, he talked about the confrontation between Major Cook (Robert Redford) and Captain Peter Carrington - he's not even in the film. The confrontation in the film is with a British Major (he has a crown on his shoulder for a Major, not three pips for a Captain), so he must be Carrington's boss, not Carringtom himself. So he got that wrong. That's a basic error staring at him on screen. The real confrontation was allegedly between American Captain Moffat Burriss (who was interviewed in the documentary) and Captain Peter Carrington. They were equal in rank, so Carrington told him he can't order him to move. Another version was that it was one of Burriss' platoon leaders, a Lieutenant. So two American officers claim to be the officer confronting Carrington, and Carrington said the claims were "extraordinary" because no confrontation happened at all.
The documentary does not depart from the conventional wisdom on the Market Garden mythology, like the movie itself. Newer research does. The one fact the Americans cannot avoid is that the 82nd Airborne Division failed to secure the Nijmegen bridge in the first hours, when Dutch sources said it was defended by 18 Germans. I think this is a source of embarrassment for them, and they've been blaming the failure of Market Garden on everything but themselves ever since. The British commanders did not want to upset them, so they kept their mouths shut and took all the nonsense criticism about bad planning and faulty intelligence without comment. Lyndon has commented on the intelligence picture, and I think he's about 99% correct on that, so I have little to add.
The only CZcams source that seems to have this right is the TIK history channel. He's done a series on Market Garden, a long form breakdown with all episodes, and also videos on 'was Gavin to blame?' and one on Browning, I think as well. TIK does his homework and has come to the clear conclusion that Gavin was responsible for the 82nd Airborne failing to capture the Nijmegen bridge. I've gone a bit further and read three books by 82nd Airborne historian Phil Nordyke, and the answer seems to be in his combat history of the 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment - Put Us Down In Hell. Its commander was an administrative officer who volunteered at the start of US airborne formation in 1942, and had risen through the ranks as his unit became scaled up from the 508th Battalion to a full Regiment. In Normandy, there was a problem with the 508th's Executive Officer (the second in command and assistant to the commander). He was removed and replaced, but there was still a command problem at the top of that Regiment still, when they were selected by Gavin to take Nijmegen for Market Garden. Several hours after landing, Gavin got a report from the 508th's Liaison Officer that the Regiment was dug-in on the Groesbeek ridge, south of Nijmegen. Gavin was furious.The LO had never seen Gavin so angry. They jumped into a Jeep to get over to the 508th and "get them moving". The SS units moving down from Arnhem got to the Nijmegen bridge first, and then held it until the combined operation with the Guards Armoured Division finally took the bridge after a delay of 36 hours of hard fighting in the city.
Somebody once described Market Garden as being like trying to thread seven needles with one thread in one go, and you only had to miss one to compromise the whole operation. That's exactly what happened at Nijmegen. Apart from that one unforced error, it was actually working.
Great reactions from you on both videos, so I am subscribing and giving the movie reaction a 'like'. I wish you continued success with the channel. Cheers!
Thank you for your honest comment and information dear. Thank you for subscribing. I hope you watch all my videos and share your thoughts and feelings in the comments 😊
@@HonestMovieReactions - my comment originally disappeared into CZcams Hell, so I reposted a part of it, so sorry about the duplicate - I've deleted it. Thank you. There's never enough hours in the day, but I will keep an eye on what you're doing. Best wishes.
Dave M A C,
What an excellent post and thanks for mentioning me.
The Moffat Burriss thing has always intrigued me. I never thought Burriss was ever telling the truth there. Burriss claimed there was "a whole corps of tanks there" doing nothing. This is 100% a false claim as only five tanks got across the Nijmegen bridge that evening, and two of those were damaged. The "corps" of tanks were spread up over twenty or so miles, from Nijmegen to Mook to Huemen and further south. Burriss was clearly not being truthful, so we have to wonder about the rest of his claims.
As you said, Carrington denied the exchange happened. More to the point, Carrington was well known in the 1980s. He was British Foreign Secretary under Thatcher, Secretary General of NATO and received a well publicise medal of honour off President Ronald Reagan. Now Burriss kept this mysterious British official nameless and faceless. Had he genuinely encountered Carrington face to face then surely later on he would have known who he was? Yet Burriss never identified the phantom British officer, conveniently. Very very odd.
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Dave M A C,
Also it's been muted that perhaps Gavin should have assigned the 504th PIR dropping the nearest to the Nijmegen bridge and going for it instead of the less experienced 508th PIR. By all accounts, Gavin made the wrong decision there, as well as not ensuring his orders were completely understood by Lindquist.
Still, British 1st Airborne failed at Arnhem regardless and never took the Arnhem bridge. The Germans always controlled 99% of the town, as well as the bridge off ramp so I don't think anything would have changed except perhaps XXX Corps may have been able to rescue some of Frost's men had they got there on the 19th. The Germans had good fields of fire against any tanks crossing the Arnhem bridge. Not that XXX Corps could have crossed it anyway, due to the road block on it, strewn as it was with the wreckage of Grabners SS column.
The plan for a successful Arnhem operation called for the whole bridge to be captured, as well as much of Arnhem itself, in a protective defensive ring to the north, east and west a few km in extent so that XXX Corps could exit the bridge and fan out on the other side through Arnhem, establishing a proper strong bridgehead. That was never going to happen once so little of 1st Airborne even reached the Arnhem bridge area.
Cheers.
Cool concept, it’s a great idea to dig a little deeper for yourself to understand the story even more…:) as always great job my friend
Thank you Ryan. I am glad you enjoyed 😊
Another great documentary is “Victoria cross: for valour” by Jeremy Clarkson
Also, Jeremy Clarkson “the greatest raid of all”
Great video ! 🙂
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I highly recommend watching We Were Soldiers History Buffs has a video about that film also.
So far I am watching the voted movies Full Metal Jacket, Platoon and Apocalypse Now. I am sure We Were Soldiers Would also be voted in on patreon as well.
As an ex Paratrooper, Operation Market Garden is the nightmare - officers so keen to 'get into the fight' that they rush the planning, drop too far from the objective, ignore testing vital equipment (radio sets for example) and ignore credible intelligence of enemy strength and then send relieving forces up an almost impossible road on an absurd timetable.
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As an ex Para you should know to not go off movies to learn about history.
XXX Corps arrived at Nijmegen SIX HOURS ahead of schedule even after they had to build a bridge on the Son, but Gavin hadn't done his job.
So XXX Corps had to take the bridge while the 82nd did the river crossing in boats. 36 hours later they were too late to press onto Arnhem
Out of ammunition, God save the King.
@@robertpalmer3235 well aware of that, but but not the reason MG failed, lack of prep and ignoring Int because the leaders were too keen to go.also, the road got cut behind them because they pushed to an absurd timetable and couldn't secure the ground adequately.
"No plan survives contact with the enemy." Helmuth von Moltke, prussian general and stategist.
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@@HonestMovieReactions The Impossible is really really good movie also will not tell you what it is about because I don't want tp spoil it for you...
I started watching this movie as a 6 year old when it came out....now im a vet and retired and former history teacher....and I still love it and the begging is the best......this movie had everyone that was anybody in acting back then---only needed John Wayne and Steve McQueen and woulda been perfect
I only usually see people reacting to History Buffs who also react to other history content, I have never seen any movie reaction channel also react to History Buffs. I totally applaud you watching and reacting to this content right after posting your reaction to A Bridge Too Far. I clicked away from the video I was watching to watch this, I cannot wait to hear your comments. 💯😁
Glad you enjoyed the video iKvetch 😊. Yes when this video was recommended to me by some patreon members, they spoke highly of the content creator History Buffs. When I saw his video, I can see why!
Do you know any people who react to hisyory buffs ?
@@godusopp2752 Not many at all...but she is the only movie channel person that I ever recall seeing check out History Buffs videos. ✌✌
You may love Tora Tora Tora. A true Docudrama.
Yes others recommended Tora Tora Tora to me in my Saving Private Ryan video and community posts. I hope to definitely watch it some day 😊
The only thing I disagree with this narrator was his criticism of Gene Hackman's line, "It doesn't matter what is was. When one man says to another - 'I know what let's do today. Let's play a war game.' ..Everybody dies." ..I actually LOVE that line, because I knew by the end of this film, the movie was made to project an anti-war sentiment, and I didn't mind the writers taking "artistic" liberty with the dialogue to make the anti-war point clear.
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I also very much disagree with his sentiment that there are no movies out there that are positive about war. In fact he has reviewed several that very much are in my opinion. Waterloo for instance. They might not say "yh war is great" literally, but they show it in bright colors, focusing on valor and glory.
Great Idea!!!
Glad you think so Gary. I learned a lot for sure 😊
It's "unbelievable" because what you are getting from it isn't true
Monty was NEVER competing with Patton.
STOP using movies to learn history.
Ike "insisted on it" and that's why he passed Monty's plan "Comet" to Brereton FAAA to develop Market Garden.
People need to STOP implementing Montgomery when it comes to Market Garden.
Totally agree. I was very surprised with Antony Beaver's book and how he skirted over Gavin not moving on Nijmegen bridge immediately. Also saying Horrocks was wounded in Italy when he was wounded in Tunisia was poor from a historians point of view. The big question is,if the 82nd had taken a relatively undefended Nijmegen bridge would 30 corps have reached Frost? Also 30 corps making only 7 miles and stopping at Valkenswaard on day one is always mentioned. Making over 40 miles on day two never is.
This is such a good idea! History Buffs is a fantastic channel.
Though any fans of Braveheart might not like his video on that, because he got quite annoyed lol
He also showed a clip and as a video on The Last of the Mohicans, which is one of my favourite historical films that I highly recommend
I will definitely check out more of his videos, once I watch the relevant movies. I think it's great to know how things really were compared to what is shown in the movies I watch and react to 😊
There is a movie made with the British survivors from Arnhem, made a year or two after the war, where the troops play themselves..
"Their's is the Glory"
Good follow up to the movie reaction.
Yes, Waterloo (1970) is also a remarkable film, that is also historically accurate and is shot on an epic scale with outstanding performances from Rod Steiger as Napoleon and Christopher Plummer as Wellington.
Oh that sounds interesting.
As well as some 15-20.000 extras trained and drilled in Napoleonic tactics, provided by the Soviet army 🤔
You may like to do `Gandhi'also directed by Attenbourgh.
Oh wow. That sounds interesting
History Buffs is a great channel. I also recommend the "What's the Difference?" section of the channel CineFix, where they compare movies vs. the books they're based on.
Oh? Interesting Ben. I would love to watch more content like this but I won't until I watch the movies first, because I don't want any spoilers 😊
I once went to the BFI in London to see 'A Bridge Too Far' on the big screen. We had all settled into our seats when one of the staff came out and said, "Oh, we've got a special guest." And Sir Richard Attenborough appeared. He said a little bit about how the film was made and how he felt about it. That and the fact that the first time I saw it was in the cinema when it first came out with my Dad.
Wow!
I recently rewatched Waterloo - haven't seen it since being a kid - and I have to say I was pretty blown away by just how good it looked. There were parts of it that looked so good that I kind of wish there were whole series' made to the same standard. We just don't get historical epics like that anymore. ✌️
Waterloo? I haven't heard of that movie KevinArdala01. Is it something you recommend?
I only mention it because it was mentioned along with 'Tora Tora Tora'; but yes, if you like well portrayed historical epics, it's worth the watch. Not sure you'd want it for your channel though, idk. 🤔
Oh I don't mind at all. Hopefully I can watch it some day 😊
I've never seen a bad joint from _History Buffs._ Hodges is a keen commentator, whatever film he talks about. You definitely need to react to more of his stuff.
When I watch the relevant movies, then I definitely will my dear. I don't want any spoilers, so I won't watch the rest until I have seen the movie for myself and reacted first 😊
The Major,
History Buffs doesn't know much about Market Garden. See my thread here for details.
I've seen a couple of History Buffs' videos and enjoyed your reaction to this one. He made reference to Afghanistan near the end. If you're interested in war films, I'd like to recommend a lesser known one entitled Hyena Road about the Canadian Forces experience in Afghanistan, which seemed an authentic portrayal of the modern CF in cinema. (I'm Canadian, btw.) Even just to watch on your own. Cheers! :)
I see I see. Thank you for letting me know Joe 😊. How's the weather over there? I am sweating to death here! 😂
@@HonestMovieReactions It's very cold right now with a huge dumping of snow yesterday. But in about four months it will be sweltering (in the southern region of the province of Ontario). Believe it or not, Canada isn't perpetually cold. ;)
Well, believe it or not, where I live IS perpetually HOT! 😂👍
monty is in the movie patton.. heheh
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Yes but its inaccurate and did not happen like that. In reality, Patton was obsessed by Montgomery but Montgomery did not care about Patton at all.
Patton sat out most of the fighting on the western front.
This guy is Great you should watch his other video's OMG does he roast Mel Gibson and his movies so much fun watching his take.
I definitely will my dear. But since I am a genuine first time reactor, I don't want any spoilers. So I will only watch his relevant content once I have actually seen the movie, because I want my own reactions to be authentic and honest 😊
@@HonestMovieReactions deff do the movie 1st and then see if he has a video on it then watch his, he's covered a good many movies
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One thing is to lose those lives, that is sad but that's war but to lose them and accomplish nothing that's a sin. When Germany threw everything at us in Belgium that was their sin. They had nothing left. The war in the west was done it was attrition after that. I met a guy in Germany, he was 14 yo Hitler youth put on border patrol. He flat out told me they surrendered to the first American troops that came through.
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you should watch tora! tora! tora! and then the history buffs video on it too!
Hello Isaac 😊. Since I am not familiar with Western cinema, I only got to know about these films once I started my channel and started hearing these names from my viewers, subscribers and patreon members. It seems Tora Tora Tora is also highly regarded. I hope to watch is some day too. Then I will watch History Buffs video and find out more as well 😊👍
The whole movie and historical events are yet another case of military loss(and many lives), not because of actual strength of arms, but because of political decisions made in denial of battlefield intel reports. I believe America's involvement in the Vietnam war was a massive case of political decisions gone wrong. The British had a first rate intelligence gathering operation in WWII, but many times it was ignored. I think a good example of good use of military intel being used properly is the battle of Midway.
Very interesting point my friend. I guess I will see this debacle you mentioned when I watch my Vietnam War movies soon 😊
@@HonestMovieReactions Most of the Vietnam war movies aren't so much about the totality of the war as they are a specific battle or unit(unlike A Bridge Too Far). But there are some really good films non the less..I look forward to your reaction and reviews. 😸
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This movie gives s completely wrong impression though.
In reality, the British 1st Airbornes intelligence summary of 13th September clearly states that a grouping of around 10,000 German troops "may represent a battle scarred panzer division or two reforming in the area".
That is why they took along over 50 anti tank guns.
In truth as well, the recon photos only took pictures of a handful of obsolete early war tanks of the third rate Herman Goring training battalion. This unit was rightly ignored. It played no real role in the operation and was down in the Eindhoven area when the paratroopers were dropped. It was attacked by fighter bombers on the first day and scattered.
The Germans tanks that made the difference in Market Garden actually came in from Germany in the days that followed. Allied intelligence knew nothing about them. They were all deep inside Germany prior to the operation.
Kompanie Mielke, with Panzer IIIs and IVs arrived on the 18th.
Schwere Kompanie Hummel with Tiger Is, and Brigade 280 with Stug III assault guns, both arrived on the 19th. As did Panzer Brigade 107 with Panthers and Jagdpanzer IVs.
Schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 with Tiger IIs didn't arrive until a week after the operation began.
Most people mistakenly assume all these units were already there but were ignored by allied intel. Not so.
The two panzer 'divisions' that WERE already there (9th and 10th SS) were both at less than half strength and neither had a, single tank available between them. They had lost them all in Normandy and hadn't yet received new ones.
The 3 allied Airborne divisions in actual fact had enough men to deal with the German forces that were there, had the plan been executed differently. Delays and the wrong decisions made by the air commanders however, allowed German reinforcements from Germany to arrive before the airborne divisions could complete their missions.
That is the bottom line really. Even the Germans concluded that the main mistake made by the allies was dispersed drops and over a number of days, not intelligence failure.
As I said, this film gives us the wrong impression. It even makes us believe that Frederick Browning was in charge of the paratroop force. Completely incorrect. General Lewis Brereton, an American, was. Brereton made all the big decisions yet conveniently does not even appear in the film, presumably to not upset the American market.
You need to watch Band of Brothers series.
I will my dear I will. I am just up to my neck with movie requests 😂
This, as others have pointed out in the comments in considerable detail, is a very poor historical assessment of Operation Market Garden. It simply follows the general idea portrayed in the film that Market Garden was always doomed to failure, and it was all the fault of Montgomery/the British. The movie had to sell in the USA and American audiences are famous for having no interest in films that are not about America/Americans or in which the Americans are not the heroes. The concept of Market Garden was not, in itself, a bad idea. There were certainly significant risks (that's war), but the potential prize was also very great. Ending the war two or three months earlier would almost certainly have saved hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of lives. (Not to mention the possibility of saving large swathes of Eastern Europe from occupation by the Soviets.) One simple fact demonstrates that success was far from impossible. XXX Corp had to advance 63 miles along an "impossible" road to reach Arnhem. Even with everything that went wrong, especially the failure of Gen. Gavin to take the Nijmegen bridge as a priority, XXX Corp managed to traverse 60 of those 63 "impossible" miles.
Market Garden was a high risk/high reward operation which failed for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad idea. War is a risky business. Who knew!? As always, however, victory has a thousand fathers - defeat is an orphan.
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@@HonestMovieReactions a great movie showing the second world war, & most importantly not interrupted by sick commercial. what u think about that ?
Well I think it's great! Have you seen my movie reaction to this film? It's on the channel.
@@HonestMovieReactions ys dear I'm watching now :)
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Can you please watch "Germany could not win WW2" by Potential History?
If you want some more inside history of the battle for Arnhem. This is a documentary by Jeremy Clarkson that is about the Victoria Cross. It's very good. czcams.com/video/RbS4Ivl85GQ/video.html
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The Russians have demonstrated perfectly what happens when hundreds of tanks are restricted to a single file along one road as they were on the long drive to Arnhem. Montgomery's strategic thinking was restricted to the North African desert and should have been left there.
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I recomend Revolución San Martín the history of south América independance and cross ing of the Andes. Excellent Real life events.
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The British were supposed to take Caen on d day, didn't. Got caught up in hedgerows. Operation Market Garden, this movie. Fail. Goodwin, fail. Thank God for Patton!!! Watch that movie. Academy award winning performance. Way better than this movie. Love the reaction as always.
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The Americans were supposed to take St Lo by June 15th. They didnt. They were stopped by some bushes.
Patton was supposed to take Metz in early September. He still couldn't take Metz by November.
Patton's Lorraine campaign was the biggest failure of autumn 1944. He spent 4 months failing to breech the Siegfried Line suffering 55,000 battle casualties and barely advanced 50 miles. Market Garden did that distance in just 3 days.
Then the Americans had to turn to Montgomery to help them out in the Ardennes when their own US 1st Army was in retreat.
You were saying?
Sadly History Buffs does not know a great deal about Operation Market Garden, so shouldn't be commenting on it.
Best wishes to you.
Oh really? Can you add to this dear Lyndon? What is accurate and not in your opinion?
Hi,
Well to begin with, History Buffs gives the wrong reason why Montgomery didn't have much to do with the planning for Market Garden. The real reason was that Montgomery was only the commander of the British 21st Army Group and he had no jurisdiction over the air forces. In short, Montgomery was relegated to a back seat role and the operation was largely taken over and planned by the commanders in the First Allied Airborne Army, USAAF and RAF. In particular, Brereton, Williams and Hollinghurst. None of these feature in the film.
Montgomery tried to argue for double missions flown on day one (i.e more paratroopers dropped on the first day) but Brereton, with Williams, totally rejected this proposal and there was nothing Montgomery could do about it.
Montgomery also had the idea for US 101st Airborne to be dropped over a wider area, covering both sides of the Wilhemina Canal at Son, but General Maxwell Taylor of the 101st complained against this idea and got his way. Montgomery had to back down. Ironically had Montgomerys idea been agreed to then the Son bridge would likely have been captured and no need to spend 12 hours building a Bailey Bridge.
History Buffs makes it seem that Montgomery wasn't that bothered. That wasn't true. He tried to involve himself more, but as you see, the air commanders basically shut him down and decided on their own plans.
There are other examples where History Buffs gets it wrong.
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Oh wow. Thank you for the information my dear. Thank you for subscribing. I hope you watch all my videos and share your thoughts and feelings in the comments. Have a great day too 😊
Another example is that History Buffs claims Browning ignored reports of two SS Panzer Divisions in the area. Again, that was not true.
British 1st Airborne was given the intelligence report on 13th September (4 days before the operation began) that a grouping of around 10,000 German troops "may represent a battle scarred panzer division or two reforming in the area". This is why 1st Airborne took along over 50 anti tank guns. In truth, the two SS panzer divisions there (9th and 10th) were at less than half strength and didn't have a single tank between them. They had lost them all in Normandy and hadn't received new ones yet. They didnt receive their first replacement Panther tanks until the 20th, when 8 arrived directly from the factory. This was after Frost had surrendered.
The tanks that did the damage in Market Garden came in from Germany in the days that followed. Kompanie Mielke arrived on the 18th, Kompanie Hummel (Tiger tanks) and Brigade 280 arrived on the 19th, as did Panzer Brigade 107. None of these units were even in the Netherlands before the paras dropped.
The photos that the recon plane took were of a mere handful of early war obsolete tanks of the Herman Goring training battalion. They played no role in the battle. This unit was in the Eindhoven area and was attacked by allied fighter bombers on the first day and scattered. This unit was rightly ignored and dismissed.
The real Roy Urquhart was disgusted by the way Browning was portrayed in the film and wrote a letter to his widow (the writer Daphne du Maurier) saying how sorry he was.
Lastly, to answer your question on Patton. Patton had already been trying to take Metz before Market Garden was even decided on but he wasn't successful. The Metz operation began on September 6th and still hadn't got anywhere when Market Garden began. In fact Patton couldn't take Metz until well into November. Patton's Lorraine campaign failed, with nearly four times the casualties of Market Garden. Nor was Patton in the best geographical location to deal a hammer blow to Germany. He was too far south. The German industrial heartland of the Ruhr was the most important area to aim for, and it was Montgomerys 2nd British Army and Hodges US 1st Army which were on the right line of advance. Not Patton. The US 1st Army tried right after Market Garden but got bogged down in the Hurtgen Forest and around Aachen, and fared no better either.
Cheers.
I will certainly be watching more videos.
Cheers. ☺
Should react to armchair historian on operation market garden
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@@HonestMovieReactions sure I already subscribed to your channel. The armchair historian gives much insight about history and wars with great animations. Thanks
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Shows one how easy it is for power to alter history. I grew up as a Christian. I am not particularly glad to say it is not now the case as I have found it harder and harder to believe that a Deity could fail so miserably. A senseless force as evolution at least reflects our species state of being. Anyway, I apologize for my sullen thoughts. Currently affairs are a drag.
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why you care about nerd channel? why you care about his video?
?? Well I don't think he is a 'nerd'. He seems to be a historian who also loves movies and really cares about the historical accuracy of the movies he loves. I think that's great honestly.
@@HonestMovieReactions its your channel, if you wish to broaden your mind about the history of a historical movie with others go ahead, by making your reactions about the history behind the movie you are bringing the history to the attention of your followers who may not know of it.
Thank you Rusty Russel. I am glad you think it's a good addition 😊. I for one, really enjoyed learning more about the reality.
Nick Hodges is no historian. He's appallingly read. I know this because I provided him with all of the research and script BEFORE he started anything on this video. The finished product was a hugely reduced amont of the script I did. Hodges got co-writing credits as he contributed items on dvd extras. Hodges has only sketchy knowledge of films and TV. programmes.
Many supposed "facts" highlighted by Hodges are outright wrong. I tried to tell him where he was wrong, but he wilfully ignored me, e.g. the surrender demand to Frost didn't result in Frost saying Go to Hell". In fact a captured Brit para sergeant was sent by tge Germans under a flag of truce to discuss surrendering, under Arnhem road bridge ramp. That sergeant simply broke his paroke to join Frost. There was a huge amont of my research (6 months of it) that was ignored to "Monty bash" and hero worship the Yanks. I was told by him that the reason was because the majority of his subscribers are Americans.
Do you want to know more?
Nick Hodges is a charlatan.